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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #20 on: 05 August 2009, 09:46 »
Your (so called) mechanic probably re-used your old calliper bolts instead of new ones. He may have over torqued them too. These bolts are under a huge amount of torque and when removed become weaker and so should be replaced. You could sue the garage for this serious safety issue. You should get them to do it properly this time and ask for all your money back. You know it makes sense.. :wink:
The apprentice mechanic will probably be getting his a**e booted as we speak and put on sweeping up duties for the next month.

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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #21 on: 05 August 2009, 10:17 »

The slide pin bolts don't need to be replaced at all. They just need a fresh coating of loctite.
If you get new ones with new pads/discs, use them, if not just re-coat the old bolts.
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The slide pin bolts always need replacing. Always discard the old bolts. If they werent important, they wouldnt include them in brake pad kits. Lets not argue about safety and common bloody sense.

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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #22 on: 05 August 2009, 10:27 »
Why do the slider bolts need to be replaced?
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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #23 on: 05 August 2009, 11:02 »
You should not need to replace the slide pin bolts.

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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #24 on: 05 August 2009, 11:04 »
Why is that?

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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #25 on: 05 August 2009, 11:09 »
what if the old manky bolts happened to stretch or weaken? They could break. Any bolt that has had loctite on it must be re newed. The excess torque required to crack these may weaken the bolts. How many more ways would you like this put? Shall we start a poll on the subject? You two are wrong, I am right, just face it.

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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #26 on: 05 August 2009, 11:36 »
what if the old manky bolts happened to stretch or weaken? They could break. Any bolt that has had loctite on it must be re newed. The excess torque required to crack these may weaken the bolts. How many more ways would you like this put? Shall we start a poll on the subject? You two are wrong, I am right, just face it.

I work with heavy plant every day (up to 50 ton), if a bolt is a stretch bolt then it should always be replaced without fail, any other bolt can be reused even if it has loctite on it, some of the bolts on the undercarriage of a machine are torqued to 500lbs ft and are always reused, most bolts are 8.8 grade and will cope with being torqued many times, if it should get weak then it will tend to shear off before torque is reached.

So sorry on this occasion I believe you are wrong.
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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #27 on: 05 August 2009, 11:41 »
what if the old manky bolts happened to stretch or weaken? They could break. Any bolt that has had loctite on it must be re newed. The excess torque required to crack these may weaken the bolts. How many more ways would you like this put? Shall we start a poll on the subject? You two are wrong, I am right, just face it.

Lets face it. You young man talk bollox.
The bolts should be replaced if they have deteriorated in anyway.
If the bolts are in good condition then a new coat of loctite is fine. Perfectly safe infact.
The bolts will not stretch or weaken if in good condition, these bolts are not done up to a high torque(26lb ft), you obviously don't know that.
The factory workshop manual always says to replace them, as otherwise people will re-use them regardless of condition.
If the bolts are in good condition with a fresh bit of loctite, then you affectively have the same as a new bolt.
If i get new bolts in a kit with pads/discs, i will always replace, that is common sense.
However if, in between pad changes, i want to service clean the rear brakes(which should be done as rear brakes can go for years without a need to change the friction material), then i will re-use the bolts if in good condition with some fresh loctite.
Now thats bloody common sense.
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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #28 on: 05 August 2009, 11:44 »
what if the old manky bolts happened to stretch or weaken? They could break. Any bolt that has had loctite on it must be re newed. The excess torque required to crack these may weaken the bolts. How many more ways would you like this put? Shall we start a poll on the subject? You two are wrong, I am right, just face it.

I work with heavy plant every day (up to 50 ton), if a bolt is a stretch bolt then it should always be replaced without fail, any other bolt can be reused even if it has loctite on it, some of the bolts on the undercarriage of a machine are torqued to 500lbs ft and are always reused, most bolts are 8.8 grade and will cope with being torqued many times, if it should get weak then it will tend to shear off before torque is reached.

So sorry on this occasion I believe you are wrong.

Correct.
The only time a bolt MUST be replace is if its a stretch bolt.
Do you understand what a stretch bolt is harlemex?
Do you also understand the difference between using loctite on a normal bolt and a stretch bolt?
Infact do you have any understanding about locking a thread?  :rolleyes:
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Re: rear brake problem
« Reply #29 on: 05 August 2009, 13:37 »
what if the old manky bolts happened to stretch or weaken? They could break. Any bolt that has had loctite on it must be re newed. The excess torque required to crack these may weaken the bolts. How many more ways would you like this put? Shall we start a poll on the subject? You two are wrong, I am right, just face it.

I work with heavy plant every day (up to 50 ton), if a bolt is a stretch bolt then it should always be replaced without fail, any other bolt can be reused even if it has loctite on it, some of the bolts on the undercarriage of a machine are torqued to 500lbs ft and are always reused, most bolts are 8.8 grade and will cope with being torqued many times, if it should get weak then it will tend to shear off before torque is reached.

So sorry on this occasion I believe you are wrong.

+1
I too work on large machines and we only change damaged or stretch bolts
Most bolts fail due to not being done up properly.
It pays to look at them before you put them back signs of fatigue can be pretty obvious when you know what to look for.