Manual or DSG?

[Hairy Porter]

I don't like VW as a brand.
The link with Hitler always put me off buying one.

I only bought a VW because of the DSG.

Now everyone else is using them I can look to other brands next time (I considered the Golf R but it offers nothing new).

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Get in the real world!! for the last time the dsg box is not the be all and end all,

Really?

So why does the 1000 horsepower Bugatti Veyron ONLY use a DSG?  And why have Porsche developed their own version of the DSG - aka PDK?  What about the Mitsubishi DCT?   These are all dual-clutch automated manual transmissions!

Why does the Zonda PS not use a DSG or DSG equivalent ?

And where did that come from?

Can't you answer the question ?

I actually replied to your 'original version' of your post.  Your 'edited' post completely changed the context of what you originally wrote! 

I edited to make it a better question to ask.

Sorry, but that is NOT what the 'edit post' function is for.  Extremely bad forum manners to totally edit out the original context - w@nker!

If DSG and its equivalent was that good, why wouldnt the Zonda PS use it ? I just thought as you mentioned a few supercars that use it, you may be able to tell us why there are other supercars that dont ?

Do your own research for a change!  

Now now, no need to resort to name calling when you cant find an answer to my question.

Just as I suspected from you though, when a know it all doesnt have an answer, the brain doesnt know what to do.

Erm, what the fcuk are you on about?  Just because I didn't cower to your arrogant demand, you suddenly think that I don't 'know' the answer!  For the record, I DO know the answer, but narrow little minds like yours can't seem to accept 'facts', nor fundamental decency of conduct on the forum - and that is why I can't be ar$ed in wasting my time on muppets like you!

[DDRFan]

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And so are Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso, et al - but they only have two pedals (one stop and one go), and change gear with flappy paddles! 

Get in the real world!! for the last time the dsg box is not the be all and end all,

Really?

So why does the 1000 horsepower Bugatti Veyron ONLY use a DSG?  And why have Porsche developed their own version of the DSG - aka PDK?  What about the Mitsubishi DCT?  These are all dual-clutch automated manual transmissions!

There are plenty of reasons why Formula 1 cars all have the flappy-paddle systems, it's all to achieve the maximum performance from the machine. As well as increasing acceleration and more time by the engine applying power to the wheels, the convenience for the drivers just having to press a button to change gear rather than having to physically move their hand from the wheel, wiggle a stick then move it back to the wheel to take a corner or whatever other move, it allows the drivers to concentrate more on the general job of driving and racing to finish first.

When talking about mere consumer level cars that mortals like me to drive, it's going to be more of a comfort and convenience thing, as well as another big factor which is financial cost. DSG costs over £1000 more than manual on a GTI. For people like me who haven't got £1000s to spend on additional features, it's something to consider not having. After all, some of us are just after a nice car that's practical and comfortable and not wanting to cane the pants off it. And most of us know how to drive manual anyway and we're used to it so why have to change habit? I agree with the previous poster, DSG isn't the final thing in gearboxes; wiggling the stick still has simplicity and familiarity going for it, I think for lots of years to come.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I don't like VW as a brand.
The link with Hitler always put me off buying one.

But the modern Volkswagen brand has very little to do with Hitler.  It actually owes its existance to the British Army, the REME, and one certain Army Major, Ivan Hurst.  So you could say VW is a British company, based in Germany!

[Hairy Porter]

I don't like VW as a brand.
The link with Hitler always put me off buying one.

But the modern Volkswagen brand has very little to do with Hitler.  It actually owes its existance to the British Army, the REME, and one certain Army Major, Ivan Hurst.  So you could say VW is a British company, based in Germany!

My wife is from Oldham, knew the Hirst family very well indeed.

The way he was pushed out once VW was back on the rails was typically Germanic.

[DDRFan]

I don't like VW as a brand.
The link with Hitler always put me off buying one.

I only bought a VW because of the DSG.

Now everyone else is using them I can look to other brands next time (I considered the Golf R but it offers nothing new).

I'm sorry as I'm just a n00b on this forum for saying this, but that's one of the most stupid things I've read on the Internet. VW has long swept away it's roots with those organisations. If you look at VW history, a Yorkshireman called Major Ivan Hirst probably has more to do with what VW is today than Hitler,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#1945:_British_Army.2C_Major_Ivan_Hirst.2C_unclear_future

And considering they have created iconic vehicles such as the original Beetle and the Campers which are loved all over the world, I'm surprised when you see VW all you can think of is Hitler.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I don't like VW as a brand.
The link with Hitler always put me off buying one.

I only bought a VW because of the DSG.

Now everyone else is using them I can look to other brands next time (I considered the Golf R but it offers nothing new).

I'm sorry as I'm just a n00b on this forum for saying this, but that's one of the most stupid things I've read on the Internet. VW has long swept away it's roots with those organisations. If you look at VW history, a Yorkshireman called Major Ivan Hirst probably has more to do with what VW is today than Hitler,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#1945:_British_Army.2C_Major_Ivan_Hirst.2C_unclear_future

Didn't I just say that about two posts ago? 

And considering they have created iconic vehicles such as the original Beetle and the Campers which are loved all over the world, I'm surprised when you see VW all you can think of is Hitler.

Ahhhh, but the ORIGINAL Beetle was a 'Hitler' car! 

[DDRFan]

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Ahhhh, but the ORIGINAL Beetle was a 'Hitler' car! 

Well whether it was or wasn't a Hitler car, I don't think most people think of it like that, I certainly don't. Don't peace lovin' hippies dig that car? Lots of people and counties have particular periods in history that they are not proud of. But the world isn't like that anymore is it? Well it certainly is better than what it used to be. At least we aren't living in a World War where we are in fear of bombs dropping on our heads.

Sorry about repeating what was said earlier, the replies are so quick, I get a bit delayed whilst I'm typing out my reply.

[R32UK]

I think both DDRFan and T_T, you are forgetting the most important point of all, which is simply that Hairy Porter is a n0b. So you really are wasting your time.

[GolfTi]

I think both DDRFan and T_T, you are forgetting the most important point of all, which is simply that Hairy Porter is a n0b. So you really are wasting your time.

I agree entirely.
He's a wind up merchant and the more you respond the more kicks he gets.