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Offline keelaw

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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #210 on: 13 September 2009, 23:22 »

for what its worth here's my two-penneth worth.

i was initially all set for a manual, however owing to a dealer c0ck up and a decent financial offer I ended up with a DSG.

 - driving around in D is pretty relaxing though you have to learn not to press too hard as it will kick down.  very easy (and tempting) to go too fast!

 - sports mode holds the gears for ages, perhaps a little too long

 - manual is very quick and works well doing what i want.  agree is it less tactile an experience, but can't argue it is a lot smoother than my gearchanges and it'll never get lost amongst 6 gears which is what I've done before on other 6 geared cars.

 - the "creep" at low speeds can be a little slow to engage.  i notice this especially when parking.  the car has rolled fwds or backwards a little when i was actually expecting the gearbox to hold the car on an incline.  - this can be unsettling!

 - the DSG does look better and better for impressing your mates.  the gear stick looks nicer and feels nicer and flappy paddles always a nice touch.  good weight to the paddles too.


will be interesting to try it on a track once I've run it in properly :)

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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #211 on: 14 September 2009, 09:16 »
- driving around in D is pretty relaxing though you have to learn not to press too hard as it will kick down.  very easy (and tempting) to go too fast!

But unless you are driving in rigger boots or 16 eyelet Doc Martins, the kickdown button switch is very easy to feel.  So with 'normal' footwear, you must have very poor throttle control if you can't work out that you have just pressed the kickdown button. :rolleyes:  OK, if you are new to the world of auto gearboxes, it might take a little getting used to, and needing to 'remap the brain' not to mash the pedal hard into the floor boards. :wink:

- sports mode holds the gears for ages, perhaps a little too long.

Erm, that is EXACTLY what sport mode is for (RTFM). :rolleyes:  It is specifically designed to obtain maximum performance from the engine, therefore will delay changes until just below the red line. :nerd:  So sport mode should NOT be used during the running in period. :wink:

- manual is very quick and works well doing what i want.  agree is it less tactile an experience, but can't argue it is a lot smoother than my gearchanges and it'll never get lost amongst 6 gears which is what I've done before on other 6 geared cars.

You'll be in for a shock then, especially if you 'paddle down' and also hit the kickdown - that really confuses the DSG, and you end up with a couple of seconds of zero drive, even with full throttle - whilst the box tries to work out which cog to select. :smug:

- the "creep" at low speeds can be a little slow to engage.  i notice this especially when parking.  the car has rolled fwds or backwards a little when i was actually expecting the gearbox to hold the car on an incline.  - this can be unsettling!

The initial engaging of 1st and reverse should never take more than about half a second. :nerd:  Though if you are caught 'napping' say at traffic lights in neutral, and suddenly notice cars infront have disapeared on green, it does feel like an eternity to engage 1st and pick up the drive. :embarassed:

Re the 'rolling' forwards and backwards - NO manual gearbox (which the DSG is, albeit electronically controlled) with conventional gear 'cogs' is designed to stop rolling on inclines - that is what the handbrake and footbrake is for.  VWs can be equiped with an optional 'hill hold control' - but that has nothing to do with the DSG - but is merely an electronic method of applying the rear brakes.


- the DSG does look better and better for impressing your mates.  the gear stick looks nicer and feels nicer and flappy paddles always a nice touch.  good weight to the paddles too.

Agreed. :afro:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #212 on: 14 September 2009, 22:32 »

re: kick down.  i wasn't hitting the kick down button.  i know from my old bmw auto that there is a kick down button, but this is waaay down the throttle.  just too sudden a press of the throttle seemed to make it drop a gear.

re: sports mode... yes yes ok dad!   :tongue:  i was testing it out thats all.... promise not to abuse it again :)

re: good tip re: paddle down and kick down, didn't realise that.  can't imagine i would do it, but thanks anyway

re: creep... when at the traffic lights i keep it in gear (rightly or wrongly) I never leave in N.  that way no getaway issues! 


ah well.  all a learning experience.  and don't worry dad, i won't try launch control until i've read (and followed (sorta)) your running in instructions!!   :tongue:

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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #213 on: 15 September 2009, 13:16 »
re: kick down.  i wasn't hitting the kick down button.  i know from my old bmw auto that there is a kick down button, but this is waaay down the throttle.  just too sudden a press of the throttle seemed to make it drop a gear.

Ahhhh, I see.  Yes, all auto boxes will change down if they need to when increasing the throttle opening - but usually it is just one cog at a time.  But with kickdown, it can go straight from 6th to 2nd in a blink of the eye! :cool:  And I really don't get why some 'manual diehards' want to disable the kickdown in manual - kickdown, when used correctly, is the mutts nuts!  :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:


re: sports mode... yes yes ok dad!   :tongue:  i was testing it out thats all.... promise not to abuse it again :)

I bet you like licking the top of those PP3 9volt batteries too! :laugh: :laugh:

re: good tip re: paddle down and kick down, didn't realise that.  can't imagine i would do it, but thanks anyway

Yeah, when you first do it, it tends to relax the anal sphincter! :shocked: :shocked:

re: creep... when at the traffic lights i keep it in gear (rightly or wrongly) I never leave in N.  that way no getaway issues! 

Nooooooooooooooooo.  Leaving the DSG in gear whilst stationary for anything more than a few seconds is BAD.  It will overheat your oil, and could well shorten the life of the clutch.  Use the handbrake and neutral, please . . . pretty please. :nerd:


ah well.  all a learning experience.  and don't worry dad, i won't try launch control until i've read (and followed (sorta)) your running in instructions!!   :tongue:

Righty ho.  But I'll be watching you!  :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #214 on: 15 September 2009, 15:45 »
Well I spent last week hairing around the English countryside in a borrowed Mk5 GTI so that I could get properly aquainted with the DSG. After 450 miles on all sorts of roads and traffic conditions, I've made my decision.

In between drives I referred to all your comments and guides to proper DSG use and explanations for how it can behave etc, which I found invaluable for getting the best out of the car in a relatively short time.

Just wanted to say thanks - this forum really is the best I have come across.

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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #215 on: 15 September 2009, 16:09 »
...and your decision is?
Have I missed that bit?

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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #216 on: 15 September 2009, 17:06 »
...and your decision is?
Have I missed that bit?

Oops. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but I chose the manual.
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #217 on: 15 September 2009, 17:16 »
...and your decision is?
Have I missed that bit?

Oops. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but I chose the manual.

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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #218 on: 15 September 2009, 17:21 »
...and your decision is?
Have I missed that bit?

Oops. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but I chose the manual.

the drivers choice  :cool:
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Re: Manual or DSG?
« Reply #219 on: 15 September 2009, 17:27 »

the drivers choice  :cool:

Excellent decision...

Let me guess...you sat down, looked at the pedals and lever, then remembered you are blessed with two working arms and legs?  :evil:

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