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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: tony_danza on 24 October 2008, 11:18
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With reference to this thread
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=90978.0
I think it is only fair I get the chance to put my point of view across, as I appear to have been discussed at some length on here with many an assumption made as to what type of person I am.
I never normally feel the need to qualify my posts with what I do for a living or my qualifications to add “weight†to them, as I think if you have a balanced and objective outlook to posting and more importantly are willing to listen, then it shouldn’t really matter… but lets have a little about me.
I’m 31 and “an expert in ITâ€. I live in a sleepy village with my missus of 9 years and work for a very large company. I design networks for a living, Cisco routing & switching but I predominantly work with firewalls, the current project I’m responsible for is for a Global customer and we’re charging 16.5m for it. So as you can imagine I have sufficient qualifications to enable me to do this job and I am paid very well for it. So “stupid†or a “toddler†I’m not.
I like to think I’m a decent enough person, one with a warped sense of humour and very adept at sarcasm, but certainly never nasty person.
My father has been a predominant figure in the VW and Porsche scene for as long as I’ve been on this earth. He nut and bolt restores old dubs and 911s for both him and customers. He does everything - welding, engine building, painting as he’s a perfectionist and quite frankly would rather learn than pay someone to do a job he’s not 100% happy with. I always enjoyed helping him with his work growing up and we built my first car (a ’66 ragtop beetle) from the ground up together. I’ve had VAGs ever since.
I use a couple of forums and I post with the philosophy that you do so in such a manner as to share information in an easy to understand manner and with a balanced, objective view. I dish out my opinion like anyone else, but I always try to do so with a reason why I’m stating it – be that facts, references or simply a story attached with how I’ve come to that opinion. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong or have made a poor decision.
So, the thread in question:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/213612/1406834.aspx
Firstly, or should I say first? Both perfectly valid adverbs in the Oxford Dictionary used for enumerating… but I digress..
First. Ignore anything from Beddie – the 1.27mph “bait†obviously snagged TT like a good-un and he ran with it. You’ll note that I dismiss this and ask him to ignore it in my questioning. I simply want to know how he has come to the opinion he has voiced on the grilles.
So, we have a discussion open. I don’t feel it necessary at the time to inform TT that my father-in-law is an Aerospace engineer and Professor in the field… why should I, it was an innocuous question and had no malicious intent – I didn’t want to risk coming across as “I know more than you because of x/y/zâ€
I’d seen posts about the grilles before, so having shown him the front end he has given it his quick opinion. I’m not going to waste his time by asking him to “prove itâ€, but in simple terms he explained the point of axis in which airflow is split by the front of the car “under or over†is above the intakes for the brakes/DSG. So it cannot and will not “steal†any significant amount of air, you’re simply taking what would be deflected over the bumper. The result of his opinion is by the by, what I was more interested in is that he told me to correctly calculate this to the point where you are absolutely certain would be a very complex matter…. I wanted to know what expertise TT had in this field to back up his analysis? I don’t think it was unfair to ask this.
I got a response back which I felt was both patronising and in places “shoutyâ€. The use of “my learned opinion†basically telling me mine is worth nothing, as his is clearly better. I am also grouped with (and I quote) “Yanks who like to fit crap to their carsâ€.
So, if I’m honest I get a bit defensive and point out the manner in which he is addressing me is not particularly helpful or conducive in making me want to respect his opinion. I ask again for him to back up his claims with fact and reference. He doesn’t. He goes balls out offensive and lays on the patronising even more… the sheer bloody arrogance of the manner in which he’s posting, the refusal to even consider any points I’ve raised or questions I have asked is staggering. He still has never answered any of my questions. TT’s opinion is correct and final, that’s the way it works eh?
Now, I ask you to read the thread again and think about the “OT- The “dark side†thread. There’s mention of this being the place where the mature, intelligent people hang out… did you see any similar ‘slagging off thread’ appear on the UK-MKIVs forum? Does your opinion of the forum or me change?
Tabs has been more than accommodating of this place, encouraging you to share, putting you up when your server crashed, allowing you to spam links here all over his forum.. and it’s been thrown back in his face.
Now, I don’t actually have a problem with TT – I joined here to give a bit of background on the Whiteline kit I had fitted as a few of you seemed genuinely interested and I’m happy to help. I certainly don’t mind that several of you all here took the p*** out of me a bit in that thread, it doesn’t hurt me as it was tongue-in-cheek.. but being called a “bullyâ€, which I find both unfair and incorrect was a bit much if I’m honest. I haven’t slagged him off anywhere, or baited him in any way at all – yet all over this forum I find childish references to me from him.
I’ve never had so much as a bad word said against me with regard to my use of a forum. TT has had several serious written complaints levied against him, many people have commented on his inflammatory writing style and content…. And yet you all hang on every word he says.
The mods need to think carefully about what their role actually is here, people do not have freedom to say whatever they want on forums… they may THINK they do, but you’re allowing him to rule the roost and opening up a very big can of worms allowing him to slag companies off with such venom and no facts to back it up. Carefully consider your legal position, because if someone takes exception to one of his posts, you’ll find yourselves shut down and in court. They’ll want everything he’s ever posted and you’ll be taken into account for allowing him to do so. If you don’t believe me, ask Tabs as he is very clued up on this and it’s the reason the site is moderated in the manner it is.
Everyone likes to have a resident expert, it’s valuable to the forum and generates traffic. I don’t doubt that TT has a wealth of knowledge that is very useful, but you’ve got to exercise some control. Any advertiser seeing you as moderators allowing him to post in such a manner will avoid you like the plague. I know full well your site is attracting a lot of bad opinion within this community… think on – otherwise he’ll be your site’s destruction.
Mike.
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I got bored halfway through.
Nick
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I got bored halfway through.
Nick
you and me both quite an essay though :grin:
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I got bored halfway through.
Nick
AMEN!
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I got bored halfway through.
Nick
That was a bit rude of me to be honest, I'm a bit grumpy today.
Tony: I think many on here will agree T_T is a failry vocal and oft harsh poster of opinion. He's come a croper with a mod on here in the last couple of days as it goes. You 2 clearly have a differenc eof opinion that's best probably sorted via PM or email rather than on the public boards.
Two things, Court action and site shutdown for posts on a forum? Yes it's possible but frankly it's pretty unlikely. I agree however total flaming of businesses is not the best unless you can include facts. If one of your links was about the R32 brakes T_T is about right. He didn't slate JKM or their products just stated the fact that the stuff they were selling was available cheaper elsewhere. He could however have put his case across in a slightly less ranting manner. Secondly, I know full well your site is attracting a lot of bad opinion within this community
think on otherwise hell be your sites destruction.
. Care to share some links etc? Not saying it's not true, geniunely interested to see what's being said and why. I will say however "Distruction" is perhaps a little OTT.
Anyhoo you seem like a nice enough fella who clearly isn't a thickie but perhaps like T-T you voice your opinion a little too loudly? Strikes me as a classic clash of personalities.
Nick
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Is it not worth PMing TT directly or discussing this with the mods?
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I have to agree with many aspects of your OP. :smiley:
T_T can get a little carried away sometimes , but usually his comments are valid. :wink:
Sean (T_T) is a valued and in many ways, a respected member on here. Yes we tend to put up with his "foibles" as his experience and information has 99% of the time been well put and accurate. :nerd:
I've met Sean and he really, really is a nice bloke :smiley:
I do take your point on the legal aspects of the forum and most moderators on any forum generally do not have any kind of legal background, but do try and use our common sense when it comes to what should and shouldn't be on a forum. :cool:
Direct attacks on people that are meant to be inflamatory or vindictive are usually deleted with a PM to the poster. :angry:
I've read many of your posts over on UKMKIV's and I must say you have your moments where (to a newbie ) your posts would look aggressive, but to existing members, they simply know it is you being you - a bit of sarcasm and wit! :smiley:
The written word is not the best medium to get your true meaning across, especially when things get a little "heated" and the fact that an issue as trivial as a closed or open grill can cause so much controversy just goes to prove how passionate people are when it comes to Veedubs. :tongue:
Remember smilies are your friend :smiley:
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Is it not worth PMing TT directly or discussing this with the mods?
As I've been openly slagged off on the public forum, no. I'm happy to do it here, even if that means people thinking I'm a tool for doing so.
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I've just read TT's replies to your posts over on "the other forum" and I don't see a problem.
You have done a mod, he doesn't agree, banter ensues. You can't prove it, neither can he, case closed, move on dude, lifes too short. :laugh:
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Is it not worth PMing TT directly or discussing this with the mods?
As I've been openly slagged off on the public forum, no. I'm happy to do it here, even if that means people thinking I'm a tool for doing so.
:huh: :huh: yep, i do now!! :shocked:
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you bunch of fairies :laugh:
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Is it not worth PMing TT directly or discussing this with the mods?
As I've been openly slagged off on the public forum, no. I'm happy to do it here, even if that means people thinking I'm a tool for doing so.
:huh: :huh: yep, i do now!! :shocked:
That's really helpful joe!
Nick
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I got bored halfway through.
Nick
and so was that!
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Touche! Although I apologised and posted a proper response further down.
Nick
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If you don't all stop arguing.....I'll send you to bed without tea :wink:
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OMG, I thought it would be fun on this forum as you are mostly guys and the other girls on here are laid back and not b!tchy at all! But YOU ARE A BUNCH OF PINK FRILLY KNICKERED GIRLS AND YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE AND STOP PANSYING AROUND!
Back in the day this would have been sorted out with a good punch up at the pub, but as your all so gay its all ohh he said she said, on an internet forum with people you don't even know.
Sad and gay (Oh and tony_danza, don't pull the homophobe card on me boy...)
I am also an It professional, so don't pull that either...
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If you don't all stop arguing.....I'll send you to bed without tea :wink:
and move this subject :wink: :laugh:
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PINK FRILLY KNICKERED GIRLS
Didn't realise it was one of 'those' forums. Excellent, so who's transitional phase at the moment.
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PINK FRILLY KNICKERED GIRLS
Didn't realise it was one of 'those' forums. Excellent, so who's transitional phase at the moment.
tony_danza by the looks of things... :sick:
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Good morning that Tony. :laugh:
That infamous thread made very interesting reading on here, TT had fought the same point on numerous occasions with quite a few peeps on here and also very similar battles have been fought over tyres and lights. :rolleyes:
You were the first one to give it back to him in a similar style to his tongue lashings. :lipsrsealed: And i am sure there were a number of people on here who had a smile from ear to ear when reading that thread.
I am also pretty sure them very same people have since had lots of detailed answers to questions they needed answering.
The majority of people who post in this section are intelligent enough to understand a lot about peoples personalities just from there written word. And you dont have to be a rocket scientist to spot TT's piranha technique of stripping people to the bone sometimes. And this is wrong he should not do this but he does.
I am sure 99 % of people on here accept this downside to him because the upside far out ways his bad personality traits. An awful lot of RedRobins posts get stripped to the bone by him but RR accepts this and is clever enough to ignore the bad comments and make positives out of his comments.
I am afraid you seem to suffer the same problem as TT a bit to intelligent for your own good which leads inevitably to communication problems which is what this is all about. we have been around him long enough to accept this and see through it you clearly have not.
Everyone likes to have a resident expert, it’s valuable to the forum and generates traffic. I don’t doubt that TT has a wealth of knowledge that is very useful, but you’ve got to exercise some control. Any advertiser seeing you as moderators allowing him to post in such a manner will avoid you like the plague. I know full well your site is attracting a lot of bad opinion within this community… think on – otherwise he’ll be your site’s destruction.
Any advertiser will avoid this like the plague, This site is not for advertisers it is for people who own GTI's and i personally am glad to find out a product may be useless before i buy it even if that means a heated discussion first.
And TT will not be the destruction of this site Greedy people who once had a vision but lost it will. this site has worked fine until recent talk of advertising. :smiley:
Owners of the site if you take TT out of this place. it will be the beginning of the end.
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OMG, I thought it would be fun on this forum as you are mostly guys and the other girls on here are laid back and not b!tchy at all! But YOU ARE A BUNCH OF PINK FRILLY KNICKERED GIRLS AND YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE AND STOP PANSYING AROUND!
Back in the day this would have been sorted out with a good punch up at the pub, but as your all so gay its all ohh he said she said, on an internet forum with people you don't even know.
Sad and gay (Oh and tony_danza, don't pull the homophobe card on me boy...)
I am also an It professional, so don't pull that either...
there is a joke in there somewhere about laid back girls but am too ill to find it, have man flu at the moment.... :smiley:
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A round of applause for TC I think !!!!
Nail it TC!
Lesbian porn on the way for you! :grin:
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A round of applause for TC I think !!!!
Nail it TC!
Lesbian porn on the way for you! :grin:
I have PM'd you my postal address. :laugh:
Dont worry guys i will post it back up in another thread. :kiss:
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Lol... You better speak to Tishy, shes the boss! :undecided:
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Don't you just love the internet :grin:
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Jesus H christ boys - its only a forum, :rolleyes:
if its affecting things / lives that much, - meeet up and sort it out mano to mano. :shocked:
I have had 4 " offers " of meets on various forums over the years - took all 4 up, and they were all no shows :laugh:
Chill Pills required all round. :wink:
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Jesus H christ boys - its only a forum, :rolleyes:
if its affecting things / lives that much, - meeet up and sort it out mano to mano. :shocked:
I have had 4 " offers " of meets on various forums over the years - took all 4 up, and they were all no shows :laugh:
Chill Pills required all round. :wink:
Only 4 :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I'd meet em, & poke em in the eye with a spoon :angry:
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Jesus H christ boys - its only a forum, :rolleyes:
if its affecting things / lives that much, - meeet up and sort it out mano to mano. :shocked:
I have had 4 " offers " of meets on various forums over the years - took all 4 up, and they were all no shows :laugh:
Chill Pills required all round. :wink:
Only 4 :grin: :grin: :grin:
oops missed a few digits
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Any advertiser will avoid this like the plague, This site is not for advertisers it is for people who own GTI's and i personally am glad to find out a product may be useless before i buy it even if that means a heated discussion first.
And TT will not be the destruction of this site Greedy people who once had a vision but lost it will. this site has worked fine until recent talk of advertising. :smiley:
Owners of the site if you take TT out of this place. it will be the beginning of the end.
I completely agree, the sad thing for enthusiasts though is forums cost a lot of money to run and if you're not charging a membership fee then there's only really advertisers bring in revenue. If the admins want it to grow, then they need more money. Advertisers bring in new members, get members discounts and set up partnerships for the likes of group buys etc.
So although it's a double edged sword, done properly it benefits all.
I'm not suggesting TT is gagged or removed, but if they want to move this place forward they have to indroduce elements of control to apease all.
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Chaps, this is far to deep for a Friday afternoon. Its the weekend tomorrow, cooooooooomon !!! :D
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To be fair I quite like correcting people who I feel have got it wrong, I like to relish in my own smuggness, but ultimately who gives a sh*t? Taking it personally is a playground activity. If people don't like something shout up or move on, eitherway just move on whatever the outcome is.
Anyways I got more important stuff to do like pinching a loaf.
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Chaps, this is far to deep for a Friday afternoon. Its the weekend tomorrow, cooooooooomon !!! :D
Get in!
Don't you just love the internet :grin:
Yes :grin:
I'm not suggesting TT is gagged or removed, but if they want to move this place forward they have to indroduce elements of control to apease all.
There are already elements of control, unfortunately there can never be a truly balanced element of control as someone will always find a 'flaw' or find it does not agree with what they deem to be sufficient control. I think maybe this should be discussed with yourself, TT and the mods from here on.
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Close your account and come back with a different name.
Then have a go at TT all over again.
"Mr Davit Banana" would be a good log on name.
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Yadda yadda yadda, this place used to be fun!
Oh, and I for one don't hang off every one of Mr T_T's word thanks as Im a open fog grilled bluefin drivin mutha hubbard! :smiley:
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It's inevitable that personalities clash and that there are occasional disagreements. What helps enormously is actually meeting people in person. For example, T_T and I have had our rows but we have met a couple of times and grown to both respect and understand each other better as a result. Consequently, we might still have different views on some subjects (I'm still not convinced by his open fog grills views!) but neither of us let's it matter.
You can't expect to like everyone, nor to be liked by everyone.
Always get to a meet if possible - It makes a huge difference [Hurdy, I still think you're a fat northern barsteward! - Just joking! :grin:]
Tony - I applaud the fact that you have calmly and clearly stated how you feel.
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Yadda yadda yadda, this place used to be fun!
It is fun ! I do try my best.
I think we need to clear out all the old farts :shocked: ;) :D
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Yadda yadda yadda, this place used to be fun!
It is fun ! I do try my best.
I think we need to clear out all the old farts :shocked: ;) :D
Alan your a bundle! But recently this place has got very serious :sad:
P.S. did mean to meation earlier I think T_T's a top bloke and I for one have found him very helpfull (apart from the Superchips fog grille thing :wink:)
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I blame the credit crunch :rolleyes:
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Always get to a meet if possible - It makes a huge difference [Hurdy, I still think you're a fat northern barsteward! - Just joking! :grin:]
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: we need more stuff like this as thats what makes the forum great its called banter :tongue: and this is a great forum and great for info and help with our cars, so dont take thing to heart and just enjoy the site :wink:
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Always get to a meet if possible - It makes a huge difference [Hurdy, I still think you're a fat northern barsteward! - Just joking! :grin:]
:afro:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: we need more stuff like this as thats what makes the forum great its called banter :tongue: and this is a great forum and great for info and help with our cars, so dont take thing to heart and just enjoy the site :wink:
nah Redrobin just thinks this is a dating site :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Always get to a meet if possible - It makes a huge difference [Hurdy, I still think you're a fat northern barsteward! - Just joking! :grin:]
:afro:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: we need more stuff like this as thats what makes the forum great its called banter :tongue: and this is a great forum and great for info and help with our cars, so dont take thing to heart and just enjoy the site :wink:
nah Redrobin just thinks this is a dating site :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
as long as it keeps hime off youporn who cares :shocked:
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I blame the credit crunch :rolleyes:
I blame the MK 5ers, troublemakers!
Ner ner ner ner ner! :tongue:
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koff back to "chat nonsence" ;)
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koff back to "chat nonsence" ;)
*sticks tongue out*
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Suprised this hasnt been shifted to off topic if im honest
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koff back to "chat nonsence" ;)
*sticks tongue out*
Shouldn't you be out fixing your car?
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Queue im stuck at work and I hate it story. . . ;)
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Shouldn't you be out fixing your car?
ha ha ha.... yeah the build quality of the old models can't compare to the mk5?? I guess that's why there's so many mk5 owners on here!! as they all need something to do while there cars in for yet more warranty work.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06+-VW-MK5-GTI-GLI-FOG-FOGLIGHT-OPEN-GRILL-GRILLE-OEM_W0QQitemZ270289120146QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081018?IMSfp=TL081018105007r4581 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06+-VW-MK5-GTI-GLI-FOG-FOGLIGHT-OPEN-GRILL-GRILLE-OEM_W0QQitemZ270289120146QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081018?IMSfp=TL081018105007r4581)
I'll get me coat - TAXI!
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Shouldn't you be out fixing your car?
ha ha ha.... yeah the build quality of the old models can't compare to the mk5?? I guess that's why there's so many mk5 owners on here!! as they all need something to do while there cars in for yet more warranty work.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Boney, remember Mr Nosh is in the minority, no need to have a swipe at all of us...... :wink:
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koff back to "chat nonsence" ;)
*sticks tongue out*
Shouldn't you be out fixing your car?
I actually lol'd. :laugh: :grin: :laugh: :grin:
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koff back to "chat nonsence" ;)
*sticks tongue out*
Shouldn't you be out fixing your car?
I actually lol'd. :laugh: :grin: :laugh: :grin:
Edition30, make sure you change your sig if you ever try and sell your car on here :wink: :grin:
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I'll get me coat - TAXI!
Yes you do that...
AND MY CAR IS FINE SHE IS AN OLD LADY!
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Edition30, make sure you change your sig if you ever try and sell your car on here :wink: :grin:
Most likely trade it in to the same moron who sold me it :grin: :laugh:
Changed it anyway, doesn't really portray my car in a very good way.
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all this over fog lights or open grilles? Thats comedy right there!
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:laugh: :laugh: Yeh right......... :wink:
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:laugh: :laugh: Yeh right......... :wink:
He always has to bring out the cat pictures :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
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I think you're mistaking one person on the forum having a dig at you for 'being discussed at length' as you put it, because sorry chap but I've no idea who you are :grin:
As for TT, well noone here argues with him as much as I do, but its all done without causing offence and mostly in good humour. As said numerous times now - seems like a personality clash. Happens in real life, happens on the internet, nothing you can do but suck it up and move on. (and that applies to you too TT! :tongue: )
As for the advertising, we never have, and never will actively go out looking for sponsors or advertisers. They come to us, and we decide if they're 'worthy' (for lack of a better phrase), we'd rather pay for it all from our own wallets than promote, however indirectly, any company we weren't 100% sure would fit with our high standards, and we sure as hell wouldn't let them dictate what can or can't be said about their services or products so long as it isn't libel/defamatory - if it is, it gets deleted as soon as we see it.. if we don't see it, that's why we have a 'report to moderator' link on every post. So if they don't have the confidence in their own products to put them out here for our prying and critical eyes, perhaps they should just stick to glossy mag full page spreads, because it will get picked apart. Rest assured we're aware of the completely obsolete and archaic laws surrounding these issues. :smiley:
Lastfinalfourthly :tongue: as i stated in the 'dark side' thread, Tabs' forum has been no end of help to me over the years.. and I would hope if he has any issues which he feels he can't deal with himself and requires admin attention from our side he'd come and talk to myself or jv. If there are any ill-feelings between forums they certainly aren't coming from the admin team. I've already apologised to him for links to our site posted on his, but I'm sure he appreciates anything this lot do over yonder is completely out of our control.
edit: 20 new replies were posted while you were typing your message... SPAMMERS!
Suprised this hasnt been shifted to off topic if im honest
..yawn.
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Gives Topher a hug,
Your so brave...! lol
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I'm off out now to have a few launch controls.
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qefc/juosanflajkshfqfhaj/nvxvjhiohadfjhaejlfknvlkjiodhgvjdfbnakjfhakjbvhkjadbfkjahbfjkab Ooops sorry I dozed off and my head was resting on the keyboard. :laugh:
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qefc/juosanflajkshfqfhaj/nvxvjhiohadfjhaejlfknvlkjiodhgvjdfbnakjfhakjbvhkjadbfkjahbfjkab Ooops sorry I dozed off and my head was resting on the keyboard. :laugh:
lol :laugh:
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qefc/juosanflajkshfqfhaj/nvxvjhiohadfjhaejlfknvlkjiodhgvjdfbnakjfhakjbvhkjadbfkjahbfjkab Ooops sorry I dozed off and my head was resting on the keyboard. :laugh:
You need launch control.
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I'm off out now to have a few launch controls.
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qefc/juosanflajkshfqfhaj/nvxvjhiohadfjhaejlfknvlkjiodhgvjdfbnakjfhakjbvhkjadbfkjahbfjkab Ooops sorry I dozed off and my head was resting on the keyboard. :laugh:
You need launch control.
As long as its attached to the creator of this threads chair :evil: :laugh:
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I think you're mistaking one person on the forum having a dig at you for 'being discussed at length' as you put it, because sorry chap but I've no idea who you are :grin:
Suprised this hasnt been shifted to off topic if im honest
..yawn.
well, rules is rules like you pointed out previously :rolleyes:
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Back to topic...
What a loser... :laugh:
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There is a lot of people viewing this thread lol... :huh:
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Viewing but cant be arsed to make anymore pointless comments . . . . DOH ! :(
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This thread was only one page long at lunch time!!!! :huh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yes people need to be thicker skinned and not take everything said on a forum to heart. But at the same time manners cost nothing as my mum used to say!
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This thread was only one page long at lunch time!!!! :huh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yes people need to be thicker skinned and not take everything said on a forum to heart. But at the same time manners cost nothing as my mum used to say!
Its true, were all on here for a) boredom b) help and advice c) to show all of our beautiful cars off (whether mk1 5 or whatever, they are all gorgeous and our pride and joys) d) midless chatter and banter.
Don't ruin it guys...
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Bring on the mk6 boy's.....I can't wait to see the posts??
rust and whiteworm warranty issues
why's my car made from paper mache
groupbuy carbon fibre magic trees
I've crashed again and again and again..and thats just today!
opinions wanted...open front grilles or fog lights
Oh ignore the last one thats just too fkin stupid to argue over :wink:
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WHAZZa going on' a ?
iz a everybody turna italiano ?
calm down guys, its getting emotional. :kiss:
tis the tinernet, tis cold, i tell s youse.
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Life is way too short to take an internet forum personally.
I mean, seriously!??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If a person wants to post, then they should feel free. If you feel that another person has been rude to you then just forget it. 9 times out of 10 it is just the impersonal aspect of written communication that is being taken the wrong way.
Who cares if some chump disagrees with you. Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion, just deal with it, listen and take in views that you accept and just disregard everything else.
I will be honest, i haven't even read more than a paragraph of what you wrote, as wasting about 15 minutes of my life reading about someone else's woes just doesn't seem worth it to me.
I hope you dont feel that I have attacked you personally - my views above apply to anybody in a similar situation.
If I were you, id go spend some of your well earnt money!!! Only live once............. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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I think you're mistaking one person on the forum having a dig at you for 'being discussed at length' as you put it, because sorry chap but I've no idea who you are :grin:
Suprised this hasnt been shifted to off topic if im honest
..yawn.
well, rules is rules like you pointed out previously :rolleyes:
maybe we need this one over here :grin:
No advertising or selling of any kind allowed in the forums, this is not eBay. Links to EBay will be removed outside of the personal sales section. If you are interested in advertising, contact Whizzer. Your signature/avatar/profile is not a place to advertise your business, website, forum, etc. Anything considered to be advertising or "spam" will be removed without notice.
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Not aimed at anyone in particular.
Ignore the convoluted story, it was necessary to give background as to why I was posting. It’s simply about the different cultures of here and “the dark†side and the impression you’ve given me as a new user.
I haven’t come for pity or to carry on a fight – I just wanted to discuss your culture and see why it was ok for people to slag off UK-MKIVs and its users, when we’ve never done anything like that to you.
As far as I was concerned the grilles thread was done and dusted, everyone gave as good as they got. Some people had the good grace to leave it as that, some didn’t. I just felt it reflected badly on your forum. Previous threads, rantings and personal abuse have likewise left an impression on other people & companies too.
The difference is I’ve come on here and tried to discuss it, I’ve made myself look like a right knob for doing so – but so be it. I don’t feel I have been unconstructive with my feedback and I haven’t tried to get anyone’s back up. I’ve read the abuse in this thread from some of your more eloquent users that has been left to stand and frankly it backs up my thoughts.
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Happy to read your feedback so don't go thinking you look bad for doing so.
I think the 'culture' comments and this whole them and us attitude is bizarre. Both forums have so many members, that to the majority this makes pretty much no sense at all. Some people will like one forum more than another, personally there exists no form of rivalry whatsoever. This isn't a competition, if people don't like one forum, don't use it. I have always liked and tried to encourage a very laid back chilled out approach on here. It doesn't always work. I don't post a lot of personal opinion because I just don't think it's worth it - I couldn't care less about fog light grilles etc where as some people take that whole product evaluation type stuff very seriously. Same with the advertising side of things, people approach me about stuff at times, sometimes we work out something, it's not a big deal to me, the forum is still a form of 'fun', the day it loses that is when I call it a day with this 'hobby' :)
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do what you like mate, its your forum, rules is rules, i was simply stating i was surprised you hadn't shifted it yet, and i still am :smug:
I think you're mistaking one person on the forum having a dig at you for 'being discussed at length' as you put it, because sorry chap but I've no idea who you are :grin:
Suprised this hasnt been shifted to off topic if im honest
..yawn.
well, rules is rules like you pointed out previously :rolleyes:
maybe we need this one over here :grin:
No advertising or selling of any kind allowed in the forums, this is not eBay. Links to EBay will be removed outside of the personal sales section. If you are interested in advertising, contact Whizzer. Your signature/avatar/profile is not a place to advertise your business, website, forum, etc. Anything considered to be advertising or "spam" will be removed without notice.
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Not aimed at anyone in particular.
Ignore the convoluted story, it was necessary to give background as to why I was posting. It’s simply about the different cultures of here and “the dark†side and the impression you’ve given me as a new user.
I haven’t come for pity or to carry on a fight – I just wanted to discuss your culture and see why it was ok for people to slag off UK-MKIVs and its users, when we’ve never done anything like that to you.
As far as I was concerned the grilles thread was done and dusted, everyone gave as good as they got. Some people had the good grace to leave it as that, some didn’t. I just felt it reflected badly on your forum. Previous threads, rantings and personal abuse have likewise left an impression on other people & companies too.
The difference is I’ve come on here and tried to discuss it, I’ve made myself look like a right knob for doing so – but so be it. I don’t feel I have been unconstructive with my feedback and I haven’t tried to get anyone’s back up. I’ve read the abuse in this thread from some of your more eloquent users that has been left to stand and frankly it backs up my thoughts.
Mike no one has been slating your forum at all :huh: TT posted that thread and asked what do we think and thats it i can honestly say the darkside never gets mentioned here we are to full of our selves to be worrying about you and your members.
Now Raven posted this thread in chat nonsense thats why quite a few people came on who know nothing about the background to your plight. :laugh:
The last line of your post above leaves me thinking you are trying to draw more negative response so as to try and prove yourself right. Honestly i think its only you who knows what it is you are trying to achieve. I certainly dont. :undecided: :sad:
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too many letters... :lipsrsealed:
why people feel the need to explain themselves at such length and on internet forum , is beyond me :lipsrsealed:
these people are not your relatives, so who the fok cares? :huh:
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I don't have a vested interest in either forum (R32OC till I die!) but I have had a run in with T_T. He's obviously a knowledgeable guy but the problem is that a lot of his posts are written as cast iron facts which isn't always the case. TIP: Inform him that the Haldex can shift more than 50% to the rear if you want to induce a nervous breakdown :wink:
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I agree sometimes TT can be a bit full on and his word is fact even if you have personal experience to prove otherwise and he can dominate a thread to a point you can't be ar5ed posting in it.
There is no doubt he is a knowledgeable chap and is info is a really valuable asset to the forum.
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I don't have a vested interest in either forum (R32OC till I die!) but I have had a run in with T_T. He's obviously a knowledgeable guy but the problem is that a lot of his posts are written as cast iron facts which isn't always the case. TIP: Inform him that the Haldex can shift more than 50% to the rear if you want to induce a nervous breakdown :wink:
At least someone agree's that his replys CAN and sometimes do annoy people. Like myself and a couple of others recently.
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I don't have a vested interest in either forum (R32OC till I die!) but I have had a run in with T_T. He's obviously a knowledgeable guy but the problem is that a lot of his posts are written as cast iron facts which isn't always the case. TIP: Inform him that the Haldex can shift more than 50% to the rear if you want to induce a nervous breakdown :wink:
we all know you're a vortex moonlighter really dave :tongue:
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Read that thread on UKMKIV's and thought that Tony came across as the antagonist on a crusade to justify his 'open grilles' and stamp out any disagreement thereof. This is just a case of a clash of two 'opinionated' personalities.
What I don't understand is why you felt the need to make this thread. Get over yourself.
Can I have the last fifteen minutes of my life back? :rolleyes:
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we all know you're a vortex moonlighter really dave :tongue:
LOL, and a few others. The OC is my home though ;-)
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Been offline all day.. just came on to read all 10pages of this.. and I have to say its been quite entertaining :grin:
Im now just looking forward to T_T coming online and disecting/quoting 10 pages of peoples opinions and correcting them as to what they should be thinking :grin:
on a serious note T_T is here to give what is his "advice" and simply that. What you choose to do with that is up to YOU!
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Tony,
Don't forget you can lock your topic.
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on a serious note T_T is here to give what is his "advice" and simply that. What you choose to do with that is up to YOU!
Enough said really. Well put.
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JV - my blanket "culture" statement was out of line, a long day at work and not articulating what I was thinking properly to blame.
FWIW - I'm in no way trying to stir up anything, I have no agenda, I'm not trying to prove a point. However, I've laboured this to a point now where it just sounds like I'm ranting, which I didn't want.
I think there's always been a good relationship between the two forums and long may that continue. I wouldn't want it any other way.
I'll end it there.
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JV - my blanket "culture" statement was out of line, a long day at work and not articulating what I was thinking properly to blame.
FWIW - I'm in no way trying to stir up anything, I have no agenda, I'm not trying to prove a point. However, I've laboured this to a point now where it just sounds like I'm ranting, which I didn't want.
I think there's always been a good relationship between the two forums and long may that continue. I wouldn't want it any other way.
I'll end it there.
Fair enough :smiley:
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Well after wading through that lot i'm away for a few beers.. :laugh:
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Well after wading through that lot i'm away for a few beers.. :laugh:
Well said CJD.
Beers all round.
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Fair Play Tony, i thought you would have been over not long after that post was posted.You have put your case fwd and wouldn't say you made an ass of yourself, I respect anyone who will come back themselves up.
I have to say and will get pelters for it but certain members of the Ukmkivs forum aren't very accomodating either.The forum has as i stated on the previous post its gone right down hill but thats for the owners to deal with.There are more than a few barnys gone on over there, misinformation, slagging products etc, mention ed30 and they come at you lol.
TT has his opinions i have mine when i first joined he didnt have high opinions of GIAC after my own research it didn't put me off getting them as my 'mapper' and i also thought he slated RR a bit but after time i figured everyone here has an opinion hence why were here.He knows his stuff and contributes a lot he has said on a few occassions he doesn't pretend to know everything.Then there are some who just post cack( i might be one lol)Recently i have moved out from the safe haven of the mk5 section and dabbled in the mk2&3 section and most of the folk have been very helpfull so over all i'd say this site and the users are very good and i would encourage you to stay theres some good stuff here.
anyway i think i made sense there to me anyway :undecided: :grin:
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Sometimes it's beneficial to let things out and everyone can learn something by it. It's happened before and it'll happen again :evil: :smiley:
Whatever the pros and cons, tony_d, I'm glad you unloaded your feelings and stuck with it - All's well that ends well.
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I don't have a vested interest in either forum (R32OC till I die!) but I have had a run in with T_T. He's obviously a knowledgeable guy but the problem is that a lot of his posts are written as cast iron facts which isn't always the case. TIP: Inform him that the Haldex can shift more than 50% to the rear if you want to induce a nervous breakdown :wink:
I have to say I whole heartedly agree with this. sometimes I get the impression no-one elses comments matter even if they are fact!
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BTW Mike if you're still reading this..you should have seen the response when i turned up at the recent RR day with the UK-MKVS.net stickers on my car
LOL
nah they didn't say much really! :grin:
But it didn't give me the extra bhp i was hoping for tho! :angry:
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I agree sometimes TT can be a bit full on and his word is fact even if you have personal experience to prove otherwise and he can dominate a thread to a point you can't be ar5ed posting in it.
There is no doubt he is a knowledgeable chap and is info is a really valuable asset to the forum.
:smiley:
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Both forums are very tolerant of swots, bullies, idiots and snides. And long may it continue.
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sometimes your funny :laugh:
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I can touch my nose with my tongue.
This has no bearing on this topic, I was just feeling left out.
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I once went out with a bird from wakey,her nose was massive... :laugh:
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With reference to this thread
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=90978.0
I think it is only fair I get the chance to put my point of view across, as I appear to have been discussed at some length on here with many an assumption made as to what type of person I am.
I never normally feel the need to qualify my posts with what I do for a living or my qualifications to add “weight†to them, as I think if you have a balanced and objective outlook to posting and more importantly are willing to listen, then it shouldn’t really matter… but lets have a little about me.
I’m 31 and “an expert in ITâ€. I live in a sleepy village with my missus of 9 years and work for a very large company. I design networks for a living, Cisco routing & switching but I predominantly work with firewalls, the current project I’m responsible for is for a Global customer and we’re charging 16.5m for it. So as you can imagine I have sufficient qualifications to enable me to do this job and I am paid very well for it. So “stupid†or a “toddler†I’m not.
I like to think I’m a decent enough person, one with a warped sense of humour and very adept at sarcasm, but certainly never nasty person.
My father has been a predominant figure in the VW and Porsche scene for as long as I’ve been on this earth. He nut and bolt restores old dubs and 911s for both him and customers. He does everything - welding, engine building, painting as he’s a perfectionist and quite frankly would rather learn than pay someone to do a job he’s not 100% happy with. I always enjoyed helping him with his work growing up and we built my first car (a ’66 ragtop beetle) from the ground up together. I’ve had VAGs ever since.
I use a couple of forums and I post with the philosophy that you do so in such a manner as to share information in an easy to understand manner and with a balanced, objective view. I dish out my opinion like anyone else, but I always try to do so with a reason why I’m stating it – be that facts, references or simply a story attached with how I’ve come to that opinion. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong or have made a poor decision.
So, the thread in question:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/213612/1406834.aspx
Firstly, or should I say first? Both perfectly valid adverbs in the Oxford Dictionary used for enumerating… but I digress..
First. Ignore anything from Beddie – the 1.27mph “bait†obviously snagged TT like a good-un and he ran with it. You’ll note that I dismiss this and ask him to ignore it in my questioning. I simply want to know how he has come to the opinion he has voiced on the grilles.
So, we have a discussion open. I don’t feel it necessary at the time to inform TT that my father-in-law is an Aerospace engineer and Professor in the field… why should I, it was an innocuous question and had no malicious intent – I didn’t want to risk coming across as “I know more than you because of x/y/zâ€
I’d seen posts about the grilles before, so having shown him the front end he has given it his quick opinion. I’m not going to waste his time by asking him to “prove itâ€, but in simple terms he explained the point of axis in which airflow is split by the front of the car “under or over†is above the intakes for the brakes/DSG. So it cannot and will not “steal†any significant amount of air, you’re simply taking what would be deflected over the bumper. The result of his opinion is by the by, what I was more interested in is that he told me to correctly calculate this to the point where you are absolutely certain would be a very complex matter…. I wanted to know what expertise TT had in this field to back up his analysis? I don’t think it was unfair to ask this.
I got a response back which I felt was both patronising and in places “shoutyâ€. The use of “my learned opinion†basically telling me mine is worth nothing, as his is clearly better. I am also grouped with (and I quote) “Yanks who like to fit crap to their carsâ€.
So, if I’m honest I get a bit defensive and point out the manner in which he is addressing me is not particularly helpful or conducive in making me want to respect his opinion. I ask again for him to back up his claims with fact and reference. He doesn’t. He goes balls out offensive and lays on the patronising even more… the sheer bloody arrogance of the manner in which he’s posting, the refusal to even consider any points I’ve raised or questions I have asked is staggering. He still has never answered any of my questions. TT’s opinion is correct and final, that’s the way it works eh?
Now, I ask you to read the thread again and think about the “OT- The “dark side†thread. There’s mention of this being the place where the mature, intelligent people hang out… did you see any similar ‘slagging off thread’ appear on the UK-MKIVs forum? Does your opinion of the forum or me change?
Tabs has been more than accommodating of this place, encouraging you to share, putting you up when your server crashed, allowing you to spam links here all over his forum.. and it’s been thrown back in his face.
Now, I don’t actually have a problem with TT – I joined here to give a bit of background on the Whiteline kit I had fitted as a few of you seemed genuinely interested and I’m happy to help. I certainly don’t mind that several of you all here took the p*** out of me a bit in that thread, it doesn’t hurt me as it was tongue-in-cheek.. but being called a “bullyâ€, which I find both unfair and incorrect was a bit much if I’m honest. I haven’t slagged him off anywhere, or baited him in any way at all – yet all over this forum I find childish references to me from him.
I’ve never had so much as a bad word said against me with regard to my use of a forum. TT has had several serious written complaints levied against him, many people have commented on his inflammatory writing style and content…. And yet you all hang on every word he says.
The mods need to think carefully about what their role actually is here, people do not have freedom to say whatever they want on forums… they may THINK they do, but you’re allowing him to rule the roost and opening up a very big can of worms allowing him to slag companies off with such venom and no facts to back it up. Carefully consider your legal position, because if someone takes exception to one of his posts, you’ll find yourselves shut down and in court. They’ll want everything he’s ever posted and you’ll be taken into account for allowing him to do so. If you don’t believe me, ask Tabs as he is very clued up on this and it’s the reason the site is moderated in the manner it is.
Everyone likes to have a resident expert, it’s valuable to the forum and generates traffic. I don’t doubt that TT has a wealth of knowledge that is very useful, but you’ve got to exercise some control. Any advertiser seeing you as moderators allowing him to post in such a manner will avoid you like the plague. I know full well your site is attracting a lot of bad opinion within this community… think on – otherwise he’ll be your site’s destruction.
Mike.
I have just read up all this and I think that someone was staying awake at night, hence the reason for all this above.
I don't think TT was trying to put anyones back up, but the first punch definately came at him. TBH, I would have had the same reaction and defended my reasoning too, probably with the same feeling.
But to come over to this website and give a lifetime story in the vain hope of justifying himself...I mean, come on! That achieves nothing!
And I saw nothing on this site that was aimed at a specific person, only the website. (Unless I missed it), so to say that you were discussed at some legnth...? :huh:
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Isn't it time to close this subject? - It's been fully discussed and come to a peaceful conclusion imo. :smiley:
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Yeah,
Bin it, lock it, whatever - that's fine here.
I honestly don't hold any ill feelings against anyone, and I know it has been a very strange subject to bring up and difficult to get a grasp of why I did so and what I was getting at... I certanly didn't give enough thought to the fact it would have been read by people outside of the MK5 section and that confused matters to say the least! In hindsight I'd completely re-write it. For that I'm sorry.
For those that it was intended to be discussed with and kind of saw what I was trying to say, thanks. I really appreciate the way in which it has been handled and the way I've been treated - when on the face of it it could have been seen as a ranty attack and I could have been told to **** off.
I take on board what's been said about me, my style and (although I don't have direct control over this) some people's views of our forum. This will have been pointless if I don't go back and see if I can change things for the better in those respects too.
Cheers,
Mike.
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Amen to that :wink:
You can press the lock button yourself Mike :smiley: