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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: SteveS on 07 August 2008, 19:28
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When changing gears usually into lower gears it makes quite a clonk noise under the bonnet.
i have looked and u can see the "arm" moving (under the battery) but it just seems very clonky sounding.... normal?
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mines not clonky, only noise i get is a rubbing type noise when pulling away in first
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almost seems "loose" really hard to explain.
if i push it reasonably quickly between 1 and two (while stopped engine off whatever) it makes quite a sound like im whacking it in really hard!
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mines not clonky, only noise i get is a rubbing type noise when pulling away in first
i think i get a bit of this too , only if you pull off with really low rev s , other wise gear change is spot on
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its not when moving off, nothing to do with revs, i could be idle and move the stick from 1st to 2nd it makes the "clonk"
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still finding it really "clonky" when changing.. no1 else getting it?
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nope :smiley: :wink:
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nope :smiley: :wink:
thats because
a) it's standard
b) it's dsg
c) the esp keeps cutting in
d) the driver
:lipsrsealed:
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bump for manual owners only!!
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TBH my gear changes have been really quiet.
When I can face taking the ED30 out again, I'll feedback.
How long you had your car?
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july 07.
u can hear it more with the window down, but just seems wrong.. my dealers know sweet f all, so no point me asking them
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Steve,
Have you only just started feeling this or has it been since day 1?
Either way I'd pop down to the dealers and get them to have a butchers at it :smiley:
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kinda day 1 but i think its worse or atleast im noticing it more now...
i will have too i guess, but they would quite happily lie to me they are proper sh!t
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I will have a check of mine recently. It did feel clunky originally when new but as you learn to use it better it has been perfect. Will check later and let you know.
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i will have too i guess, but they would quite happily lie to me they are proper sh!t
....You are able to go to any VW dealer you like and it's obviously best to have this noise checked while still under warranty.
You can also complain to VW UK if a dealer is being really unreasonable. VW dealerships are merely individual franchises and are contracted to meet certain standards set by VW UK.
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i dont really have anything solid to say, just they are just crap, no customer service and i have no trust in anything they say/do
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any update guys?
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I drove my GTI the other day (into a bodyshop to sort out that scratch) and didn't notice any noises particular to the gear lever/changing gears. But I was in a bit of a rush and so the engine roar masked any other noises.
Is it purely a sound? Is there any tactile feedback eg grinding or squeak when you change?
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hum,,, its hard to explain, but its like it when it engadges. its just noisy, isnt smooth... but should it be? duno... 2nd can be alittle odd to get into... have to push it hard to get it in sometimes.
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My June 07 manual Ed30 has always been smooth at gear changes and never makes any noise.
On a rare occassion when I try and put it into reverse sometimes it sticks and I have to take my foot off the clutch then try again - but I think thats normal for most cars?
I would definately suggest getting it looked at as its not normal
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hum...
my dealers cack! grr
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have you tried another car to see if there the same ?
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not another ed30 no
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ok im not a manual owner, but mine i have noticed today between 1st into 2nd with dsg,at slow speeds i can hear a slight clunk aswell, gearchange isnt as smooth or brisk as when it doesnt do it between 3rd to 4th to 5th etc.
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hum, today it didnt seem too bad... im trying to narrow down whem it does it most, i think its when changing down gears.
1st to 2nd all the time however
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mine used to do this when going from 1st to 2nd if you didn't get the revs just right if you know what i mean :undecided:
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I tried fast acceleration and deceleration, and slow acceleration and deceleration and got nothing from the gearbox. A strange grinding/rubbing/creaking noise from the brakes though! :undecided:
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i took it in today... hour later a call....
they need to order two bits one for the steering clonk when turning it at slow speeds. (common problem) and one for the engine/gear sound/noise... something about a dampening thing....
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should have got it sorted a while ago, lol :rolleyes:
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Well, hopefully it'll get sorted.
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ok got the report back...
require new front coil springs and top mounts... (1k9411105jf x2) (6n04129540a x2)
and from steering wheel noise, new damping element (1k0129540a x2)
anyone shed lights on what these bits actually are??
gotta wait two weeks atleast.. tut
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When changing gears usually into lower gears it makes quite a clonk noise under the bonnet.
It can sometimes be "normal" for 1st and reverse to be a bit clonky or notchy, particularly when the engine, and gearbox oil is cold. Does it quieten down when it gets warm?
Can you determine if the noise is coming from inside the gearbox, or is it elsewhere on the car, as though maybe a driveshaft or suspension component is "reacting" to the gear changes?
i have looked and u can see the "arm" moving (under the battery) but it just seems very clonky sounding.... normal?
The arm under the battery is just part of the normal gear linkage. You can probably see a J or C shaped arm, with what looks like a big counter-balance weight on one end. Provding this aint flapping loose, all should be normal in that area. Incidentally, it is that component which gets changed in the aftermarket "short-shift" kits.
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hum,,, its hard to explain, but its like it when it engadges. its just noisy, isnt smooth... but should it be? duno... 2nd can be alittle odd to get into... have to push it hard to get it in sometimes.
What is the idle/tick-over speed reading on the rev counter when you try this? When you are stationary, or going from reverse to 1st, sometimes, you just need to wait a second for the revs to properly drop.
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On a rare occassion when I try and put it into reverse sometimes it sticks and I have to take my foot off the clutch then try again - but I think thats normal for most cars?
Yup. :smiley:
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ok got the report back...
require new front coil springs and top mounts... (1k9411105jf x2)
Hmmmm, "search revealed no results" (for every VW ever built! :rolleyes:) I reckon someone has finger trouble - :lipsrsealed:
1K0411105JF is coming up as the front coil springs for a 2004-2009 GTI with a PR of L98 (look at the data sticker under the boot floor or inside your service book front cover - and make sure this L98 matches exactly). If your data sticker does not have the PR mark, then have a look at your existing front springs for "paint blobs" on the lower coil. That part no corresponds to 1 yellow, 1 white, and 2 more yellow paint blobs.
(6n04129540a x2)
Another diff number. Closest I can find is 6N0 412 249 C - which is the large bearing for the suspension strut top mounts.
and from steering wheel noise, new damping element (1k0129540a x2)
Anhother duff number - not done very well! :tongue: :grin:
I really havent got the foggiest what that is. I've looked at the steering gear (steering rack for commoners :tongue: :grin:), steering column, steering wheel, and steering column trims - and drew a blank! :undecided:
anyone shed lights on what these bits actually are??
gotta wait two weeks atleast.. tut
I can maybe understand why they are replaceing the bearings on the suspension top mounts - but dont get why they are replacing the springs - unless the springs are actually broken. And if the springs are broken, the car should be VOR (vehicle off road - basically park it up and wait for the bits).
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could it be the actual dampers seen as they are changing the top-mounts and springs. I've seen a few threads where the dampers etc have been replaced for the steering noise, then its turn out to be the old faithful steering rack :smiley:
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could it be the actual dampers seen as they are changing the top-mounts and springs. I've seen a few threads where the dampers etc have been replaced for the sttering noise, then its turn out to be the old faithful steering rack :smiley:
It could be the dampers, but that part no comes up as 1T0 413 031 EQ - which looks nowt like Steve posted? :undecided:
Actually, it maybe the engine mounts . . . I'll have another shufty and see what I can find.
EDIT: The left engine mount (gearbox end) comes up as 1K0 199 555 Q, the right (timing belt end) is 1K0 199 262 M, the dogbone is 1K0 199 855 AE, the dogbone upper donut is 1K0 199 868 A, and the lower donut is 1K0 199 867 A (all these are for a manual gearbox with the BWA engine - incase any guests are reading this thread) - so still don't match Steves last number? :undecided:
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was just a thought because there Qty 2 as well
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thanks for reply tt
to be a little more accurate. when changing gears, it makes a sound like the engine is engaging then re-engaging... (jumping like..) when changing gears sometimes.
if i was driving up to a speed bump in 3rd, slowed and changed to second, then it would make this noise...
if i was driving along at 50mph changing from 6th and to 5th or visa versa, and lifted my foot off the clutch reasonable quick, it would also make the noise...
they said they actually changed the gearbox oil for *upgraded oil* (sure...)
took a photo of what they said on my phone:
(http://www.rockmyspace.info/image-upload/uploads/1/P231008_20.13[01].JPG)
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was just a thought because there Qty 2 as well
Ahh yes - I missed that :afro: (prolly cause cars usually have just the one steering wheel :tongue:) :grin:
I reckon his engine mounts might actually be fooked. Mine are pretty shagged, and floppy - but my stealer says they are all like that . . . but they did change the dogbone. The stealer came out with some serious BS about the engine mounts being fluid filled - whereas I know for a fact that on the Golf, the engine mounts are just a voided rubber construction. My Audi has composite fluid filled engine mounts, and are actually electronically controled by the ECU - cool or what! :cool:
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what is front coil springs ? a normal suspension spring???
im hoping this damping crap sorts out the engine "bounce"
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yes the suspension springs
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thanks for reply tt
to be a little more accurate. when changing gears, it makes a sound like the engine is engaging then re-engaging... (jumping like..) when changing gears sometimes.
if i was driving up to a speed bump in 3rd, slowed and changed to second, then it would make this noise...
if i was driving along at 50mph changing from 6th and to 5th or visa versa, and lifted my foot off the clutch reasonable quick, it would also make the noise...
Hmmmm . . . I do think it might be your engine mounts. Try and find a quiet stretch of road. If you say keep it in second gear, ie don't change gear whilst doing this "test" (and turn off the stereo :tongue:) just accelerate hard up to relatively high engine revs (say 4-5k rpms) and then fully release the accelerator pedal - but do NOT touch the brake pedal. Does it still make the clunking noise. Try this test in a perfectly straight line, and also, if you can, when going round a bend (a deserted industrial estate at night time is best for this - or Milton Keynes roundabouts!). Also, can you feel any thudding, even slightly, from the floor?
they said they actually changed the gearbox oil for *upgraded oil* (sure...)
Right, if I have worked out your car correctly, it should have a manual transmission with a code "KDU" (will be on your data sticker) - therefore the correct oil will be 2.3 litres of G 052 171 A2 - however, ETKA does NOT list any "upgraded" gearbox oil (though my version of ETKA is a little old, maybe 6 months out of date - must hunt for the upgrades - anyone speak Russian? :rolleyes:) - so it might be worth asking for a copy of the job sheet for this. :wink:
took a photo of what they said on my phone:
(http://www.rockmyspace.info/image-upload/uploads/1/P231008_20.13[01].JPG)
OK, looks like the stealer was having finger trouble too. :tongue: So it looks like I worked out the first two part numbers, but the third one just aint coming up with anything close!
BTW, what is www.rockmyspace ? Sommat like photobucket? :huh:
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I seem to get abit of a judder changing from 1st to 2nd. Never noticed this until the new engine.
Only way I can explain it is what feels like the engine moving making the whole car judder.
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thanks for reply tt
to be a little more accurate. when changing gears, it makes a sound like the engine is engaging then re-engaging... (jumping like..) when changing gears sometimes.
if i was driving up to a speed bump in 3rd, slowed and changed to second, then it would make this noise...
if i was driving along at 50mph changing from 6th and to 5th or visa versa, and lifted my foot off the clutch reasonable quick, it would also make the noise...
Hmmmm . . . I do think it might be your engine mounts. Try and find a quiet stretch of road. If you say keep it in second gear, ie don't change gear whilst doing this "test" (and turn off the stereo :tongue:) just accelerate hard up to relatively high engine revs (say 4-5k rpms) and then fully release the accelerator pedal - but do NOT touch the brake pedal. Does it still make the clunking noise. Try this test in a perfectly straight line, and also, if you can, when going round a bend (a deserted industrial estate at night time is best for this - or Milton Keynes roundabouts!). Also, can you feel any thudding, even slightly, from the floor?
Funny you say this, i have notice just reving up and taking my foot off gas, i.e slow/halted traffic up in front the noise has happened as the engine slows.... yeah i guess i can feel it slightly
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they said they actually changed the gearbox oil for *upgraded oil* (sure...)
Right, if I have worked out your car correctly, it should have a manual transmission with a code "KDU" (will be on your data sticker) - therefore the correct oil will be 2.3 litres of G 052 171 A2 - however, ETKA does NOT list any "upgraded" gearbox oil (though my version of ETKA is a little old, maybe 6 months out of date - must hunt for the upgrades - anyone speak Russian? :rolleyes:) - so it might be worth asking for a copy of the job sheet for this. :wink:
what is ETKA?
So this is crap?? they cant have upgraded it?
took a photo of what they said on my phone:
(http://www.rockmyspace.info/image-upload/uploads/1/P231008_20.13[01].JPG)
OK, looks like the stealer was having finger trouble too. :tongue: So it looks like I worked out the first two part numbers, but the third one just aint coming up with anything close!
BTW, what is www.rockmyspace ? Sommat like photobucket? :huh:
so the dealer has typed the wrong numbers down... now im worried they wont get the right bit in??????????
yeah its just a free be upload place i found.. lolz
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from what I understand ETKA is like a parts catalogue for all vag group cars and ELSA is like a haynes manual as such telling you how to do the jobs. A friend of mine gave me a copy of both about 18 months ago and I've only recently realised what they are and how much use they can be. Sayin that they are still in the envelope upstairs he sent them in :smiley:
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What does vag mean?
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from what I understand ETKA is like a parts catalogue for all vag group cars and ELSA is like a haynes manual as such telling you how to do the jobs. A friend of mine gave me a copy of both about 18 months ago and I've only recently realised what they are and how much use they can be. Sayin that they are still in the envelope upstairs he sent them in :smiley:
How can we, mere mortals, obtain such treasure chests of information?
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friends send them to you in envelopes :smiley:
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friends send them to you in envelopes :smiley:
Wanna send me yours?
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No problem, not sure its the latest version, like I said I got 18 months ago and didn't really understand what he was giving me. Must have a look :smiley:
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I seem to get abit of a judder changing from 1st to 2nd. Never noticed this until the new engine.
Only way I can explain it is what feels like the engine moving making the whole car judder.
Shagged engine mounts then. Looks like it is a common problem. :rolleyes:
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Hope not, dont want to be without my car again. Its going in on the 10th for the bonnet aligning properly so I will mention it then.
Cant believe they didnt put it back on properly after the new engine.
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I seem to get abit of a judder changing from 1st to 2nd. Never noticed this until the new engine.
Only way I can explain it is what feels like the engine moving making the whole car judder.
Shagged engine mounts then. Looks like it is a common problem. :rolleyes:
I have owned my first VW for 6 months now.
These tales of engine mounts read like British Leyland horror stories of the '80s.
Jap or BMW for me next time I think.
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they said they actually changed the gearbox oil for *upgraded oil* (sure...)
Right, if I have worked out your car correctly, it should have a manual transmission with a code "KDU" (will be on your data sticker) - therefore the correct oil will be 2.3 litres of G 052 171 A2 - however, ETKA does NOT list any "upgraded" gearbox oil (though my version of ETKA is a little old, maybe 6 months out of date - must hunt for the upgrades - anyone speak Russian? :rolleyes:) - so it might be worth asking for a copy of the job sheet for this. :wink:
what is ETKA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETKA
So this is crap?? they cant have upgraded it?
Well I'm not 100% certain. Like I said, my ETKA is probably six months out of date, so maybe they are telling you right. Ask them for the actual part number of the oil they used.
took a photo of what they said on my phone:
(http://www.rockmyspace.info/image-upload/uploads/1/P231008_20.13[01].JPG)
OK, looks like the stealer was having finger trouble too. :tongue: So it looks like I worked out the first two part numbers, but the third one just aint coming up with anything close!
BTW, what is www.rockmyspace ? Sommat like photobucket? :huh:
so the dealer has typed the wrong numbers down... now im worried they wont get the right bit in??????????
yeah its just a free be upload place i found.. lolz
But it was probably just some bimbo admin clerk who typed that invoice, copying it from the teccys handwriting. The parts persons are usually fairly switched on.
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from what I understand ETKA is like a parts catalogue for all vag group cars and ELSA is like a haynes manual as such telling you how to do the jobs. A friend of mine gave me a copy of both about 18 months ago and I've only recently realised what they are and how much use they can be. Sayin that they are still in the envelope upstairs he sent them in :smiley:
Oooo - fancy doing me a copy of ELSA? :wink: :smiley:
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What does vag mean?
Before the days when Volkswagen owned Seat and Å koda, they just used to own Audi - and the "parent company" was known as "Volkswagen Audi Group", and abbreviated to "VAG". The name still sticks today.
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I seem to get abit of a judder changing from 1st to 2nd. Never noticed this until the new engine.
Only way I can explain it is what feels like the engine moving making the whole car judder.
Shagged engine mounts then. Looks like it is a common problem. :rolleyes:
I have owned my first VW for 6 months now.
These tales of engine mounts read like British Leyland horror stories of the '80s.
Jap or BMW for me next time I think.
Hmmmm, if I were you, I'd log onto the "hate site" for the latest Honda Civic - a real crock of sh!t, and the owners are having horrendous problems.
BMWs will disapoint, especially when it gets wet, or snowy, or icy. I think that most automotive "engineers" will tell you how overrated BMWs are. :wink:
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Hope not, dont want to be without my car again. Its going in on the 10th for the bonnet aligning properly so I will mention it then.
Cant believe they didnt put it back on properly after the new engine.
Engine mounts arn't particularly difficult to change. The real ball-ache is actually getting the stealers to admit they are shagged - "oh, they are all like that, sir" :rolleyes:
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so we think these engine mounts will fix the issue? as what you asked me to do TT is exactly when the noise happends...
Front coil spring seems a bit pointless?