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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: LaserBlue on 24 March 2008, 16:44
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Just wanted any of you guys who have a GTI DSG to give your comments on how it performs day to day?
Reason i ask is that ive seen a GTI DSG today and was very very tempted to part ex mine.
I didnt test drive it just had a brief look but was in black, satnav, xenon 17" 18k miles 06 plate
My car currently has 15k miles 55 plate, im concerned about the millage as i do around 30 a day and dont want it to high when i come to sell it.
If i did part x id end up paying a little more. I was after a DSG in the first place but went for a manual
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i do around 30 a day and dont want it to high when i come to sell it.
Is that it?
You drive a hot hatch and only do 30miles a day? Is there any point? It must barely be warm.
Seems odd that you are concerned about high milage, get out there and drive it!
Mine is 2 weeks old and has 1300miles on the clock already, it's there to be driven not looked at!!!
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Ive got DSG on a 2ltr tdi passat.
I think it is amazing :smiley:
You cant feel the gear change all you see in the rev counter wizzing up and down :laugh:
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Perfect transmission for the perfect car. :cool:
Once you've gone DSG you won't want manual again :wink:
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Have had now 3 vw's with DSG, 2 GTi's and 1 B6 passat sport 170 TDI. Honestly you will absolutly love the GTi with the DSG setup. Its quicker aswell!!, see if you can feel the gearchange between 2rd-3rd-4th, i bet you will struggles to feel it change!.Well worth it, 1st extra it MUST have if i were to get any VW. Transforms the car in my oppinion. a real no brainer tbh.
You wont be disapointed. go try it! :smiley:
i do around 30 a day and dont want it to high when i come to sell it.
Is that it?
You drive a hot hatch and only do 30miles a day? Is there any point? It must barely be warm.
Seems odd that you are concerned about high milage, get out there and drive it!
Mine is 2 weeks old and has 1300miles on the clock already, it's there to be driven not looked at!!!
Lol my car has only got 1275 in total and its 1 year old!!! :laugh:
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Its for old folks! See the posts above :grin: :grin:
If your only doing 30miles a day and still feel like you need a DSG... it sounds like you SLAP too! :drool:
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I had DSG on my 3.2 Audi and now on the GTI.
The comfort and relaxed drive that comes with an Auto but with the option of taking over manually when you want a spirited drive.
The gearshifts are truly seamless, and never fail to impress the curious passengers.
I'm sure you'll get lots of negative comments on here from the manual drivers that have never lived day to day with the DSG but don't let that put you off.
Definitely take it out for a test drive, you've nothing to lose.
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you say old folks drive dsg cars r32uk, i met a mk5 r32 dsg owner today, who didnt even know what launch control was!! even how to do it, and you should of seen his zolda alloys! scuffed to feck and didnt know that he had tilting side mirrors!!! NOW THATS A DUMBASS OLD FUD if ever i met one!
good old R32 owners!
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what about the cold starts and other problems?
i was thinking 30 miles a day is alot. most ppl commute to work about 5-15 miles aday then dont have time to drive the car as work takes over than evening time for relaxing.
dont any of you guys work? lol
yeah i kinda regret not getting a dsg but i always drive with one hand so duno if ill get used 2 always having my hands on the flappy pads plus when slowing down with a manual u press the clutch and down gear guess it will be kinda strange as ive never had an auto b4.
can you press the actual gear knob down to up gear and up 2 dwn gear? like u can on the smg m3
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you say old folks drive dsg cars r32uk, i met a mk5 r32 dsg owner today, who didnt even know what launch control was!! even how to do it, and you should of seen his zolda alloys! scuffed to feck and didnt know that he had tilting side mirrors!!! NOW THATS A DUMBASS OLD FUD if ever i met one!
good old R32 owners!
There you go point proven! Old people drive DSG's
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laserblue, trust me, once youve tryied it, you wont go back to manual, just think you can floor it round a corner or approach a roundabout, and not worry about changing gear or letting go off the wheel. the DSG does it all for you, its not the same as a conventunal AUTO box. 110 times better, slide it in S mode and oh boy watch it fly!!. Ive not even mentioned lauch control!. You can crack sub 6.5 to sixty easy. Alot faster then a manual, any enough to worry those Manual R32 owners in the dry! :wink: at half the cost as well! :laugh:
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I think the words easy say it all!! Where is the fun in not being able to select you own gear as you approach a round about??
If you look back through some of the previous DSG posts you will see that aside from all the problems encountered by DSG owners, you just not in FULL control of the gearing despite what they tell you. Its your choice, but mine allows me to drive my car without predicting what gear i would like. Dont get me wrong it has its benifits... but driving pleasure is not one of them in my book. :nerd:
p.s. A manual R32 is still quicker than any GTi :tongue: :grin:
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dsg rocks..manual is pointless and old fashioned.
p.s r32uk..you keep thinking that mate :grin:
manual r32, wrong golf with the wrong gearbox :nerd:
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I think the words easy say it all!! Where is the fun in not being able to select you own gear as you approach a round about??
If you look back through some of the previous DSG posts you will see that aside from all the problems encountered by DSG owners, you just not in FULL control of the gearing despite what they tell you. Its your choice, but mine allows me to drive my car without predicting what gear i would like. Dont get me wrong it has its benifits... but driving pleasure is not one of them in my book. :nerd:
p.s. A manual R32 is still quicker than any GTi :tongue: :grin:
Dont be so sure R32UK!!, you might be surprised that a GTi DSG will crack 0-60 in the same 6.4 with launch control,and has identical time 0-100mph. R32 is only better around in the wet and twisty back roads.Straight line is closer then you think.Id rather be in the R in the wet thats for sure!.
Laserblue, you need to go and draw your own conclusion on the DSG, ive read today the new Focus Rs is gonna have the option of DSG fitted aswell.
reliability is excellent, i could count on one hand the ammount of faults experianced with owners on here.More are for praise then anger.Its light years ahead then other auto systems. Go test it, and report your findings..........
it is your duty to the forum! :wink:
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I was under the assumption that the GTi has a 0-60 time of 7.2secs. and with DSG 6.8 secs??
The R32 manual is 6.5 secs although in some of the tests they have seen well under in this using a manual. :lipsrsealed:
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I think the words easy say it all!! Where is the fun in not being able to select you own gear as you approach a round about??
If you look back through some of the previous DSG posts you will see that aside from all the problems encountered by DSG owners, you just not in FULL control of the gearing despite what they tell you. Its your choice, but mine allows me to drive my car without predicting what gear i would like. Dont get me wrong it has its benifits... but driving pleasure is not one of them in my book.
....I don't agree - I drive my DSG GTI in Manual nearly all of the time (at least 95%) and I select any gear I want whenever I want with the paddleshifters :smiley:. It's always a great pleasure driving. :smiley:
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I was under the assumption that the GTi has a 0-60 time of 7.2secs. and with DSG 6.8 secs??
The R32 manual is 6.5 secs although in some of the tests they have seen well under in this using a manual. :lipsrsealed:
Yeah, I'm not sure how they calculate the official times. Is the DSG 6.8 seconds 0-60 without launch control? How much difference is there really with launch control? I think VW Driver magazine got 6.3 seconds when they reviewed the DSG GTI way back in 2005. I'll have to give launch control a try one day.
And by the way DSG rocks! You are in total control when you are driving it in manual mode! It took a bit of time to get used to it. I even thought I'd made a mistake getting DSG at first but now that I have "mastered" it, there is no going back to manual. Having paddles adds to the driving experience and makes you feel like a racing driver.
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Your correct orca about the sub 6.3 dsg GTi, hurdys went 5.66 as standard, his is the ed30 but will put is .6 quicker to sixty then an GTi dsg, so yes the book speed stated is inacurate, mines hit 6.9 on an uphill run and rough road, its still new, and will get quicker once its lossened up with a few more miles under its belt.
There is a video on youtube with a dsg R32 and a GTi dsg both standard, and the GTi just edged it!! . i posted the video a couple of weeks ago on a thread. :wink:
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Just wanted any of you guys who have a GTI DSG to give your comments on how it performs day to day?
LaserBlue, I had a DSG GTi and now have a manual Ed30
Personally I much prefer the DSG over the manual for day to day driving. It has so many variations that it will always suit whatever mood your in and whatever road you're on.
Don't mistake a DSG for an auto, as it is far from that ! It has two clutches and no torque converter ... giving super quick gear changes and if you believe VW, possibly better fuel consumption :tongue:
In a queue of traffic - just stick it in auto mode and creep forward, no clutch required :smiley:
Away from the lights - stick it launch control for a quick getaway, and the 1st to 2nd change is so slick you leave a manual GTi behind :evil:
On the twisties - stick it in manual and use the paddles, leaving you fully in control
Want to maintain peak revs - stick it in S mode or Manual
Want to take it easy - stick it in Auto mode
Want a quick downchange in Auto mode - quick flick on the left paddle
Want to overtake with full beans - just floor the accelerator whatever mode your in ! :grin:
Want to use your gear stick like a manual - use the up and down shift with the gearstick instead of the paddles
I could go on and on ....
....... it's the future gearbox here today ... and being rapidly copied now by other manufacturers
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Like most of the other posts i'm fully converted to DSG. However one small gripe. The paddles are rather small and as they are on the steering wheel itself they can "get lost" when the wheel is turned more than 45 deg. In this situation you have to dive for the stick rather than the paddles.
Does anyone know of an aftermarket longer paddle upgrade?
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i must admit, i would of been better if the paddles were in a fixed position kinda like the aston Martin or Ferrari, where the arent attacted to the steering wheel.I have seen someone post a link with larger paddles on another forum website. Cant grumble though, one of the most enjoyable things to tell a friend that you have f-1 style paddles on the steering wheel! :wink:
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I always told myself i'd buy manual cars... Had a mini cooper (05 plate, not classic) which i modified a good bit and boy o boy was that a cracking cross country car!
I however then had a birthday treat of a day out at knockhill with my dads cars.. Of which i spent most time in his 360 spider with the *f1 spec* gearbox and paddles... F*** me i loved it! Was absolutely brilliant, so as i wrote my mini off i decided since seeing the DSG on various tv programmes i wanted to see how it plays in real life compared to my days with the mini and my day with the 360.
Haven't regretted it at all (I hate not being able to get an r32 in white with the ed30's front end and interior... oh well) and loving it even more as the miles clock up. If i had any gripes, in the 360 you knew which gear you were in given the big digital numerical display and could tell just when to downshift/upshift given the noise of the engine and the "sporty" changes lol. The DSG if anything is just tooo silky smooth and i always find myself checking what gear im in just to make sure. As said above, i also wish the paddles had the same sort of style as the ferraris/lambos etc im sure ill get used to it ;)
You either like it or you don't, all down to what you want in a car!
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Like most of the other posts i'm fully converted to DSG. However one small gripe. The paddles are rather small and as they are on the steering wheel itself they can "get lost" when the wheel is turned more than 45 deg. In this situation you have to dive for the stick rather than the paddles.
Does anyone know of an aftermarket longer paddle upgrade?
I have seen a couple of post on here. One was a set of alloy extension paddles that fitted to the top of the existing ones. The other one was to fit larger Audi TT paddles instead of the the golf ones. I don't have the links to the pages at hand :embarassed:
Oh, here we are but the pics have gone missing:-
http://www.tt-forum.co.uk/ttforumbbs/viewtopic.php?t=8662&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=paddles&start=0
http://vwmaniacs.com/?pid=1828958
One for Hurdy OSIR now do a "Custom stainless steel footrest for RHD Golf V " :cool:
On the subject of DSG. Once you get used to the many options or ways of driving it. Its spot on :cool: Ask the R32 owner who failed to blast past me the other day. :cool:
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....The Audi TT paddles won't fit the Mk5 GTI - I investigated it with the TTshop a while ago. Also, the rare European DSG Mk4 R32 paddles don't fit either! :sad:
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Shame :cry:
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I considered the Japanese aluminium paddle extensions but decided I wouldn't be confident how well fixed they'd be. Also I began to accept the standard GTI paddles and now find I'm happy with them and especially like their contours and ribbed grips. :cool:
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Laser
DSG is a great system, and can in 99% of situations give you full control over the box.
The only flaw in the system, is VW's refusal to programme it so that you can left foot brake at low speed, it's a small annoyance maybe to a handful of drivers, but if you always use 2 feet it will drive you mad when it refuses to pick up when you need it most, ie entering roundabouts etc, waiting for the gap, then suddenly finding that it's like the mother of all flatspots when you floor it. Apart from that gripe, it works perfect with left foot braking when the speeds are up higher and the engine is spinning, ie fast road blast, then I have to say it's a real laugh just getting the thing to dance up and down the box at will, faster than anyone can ever get a floorstick to change gear.
Compared to the jerky gremlins in an E36/E46 M3's SMG, I agree that dual clutches are probably the future of potent cars, as shown by the new Mitsi Evo, and forthcoming M3 dual clutch system. They will just get better and better.
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The DSG makes the GTI a car for every occasion.
The new Nissan GT-R has a DSG dual clutch style box too, it is the way things seem to be going.
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One for Hurdy OSIR now do a "Custom stainless steel footrest for RHD Golf V " :cool:
I'm tempted :wink: :rolleyes:
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One for Hurdy OSIR now do a "Custom stainless steel footrest for RHD Golf V " :cool:
I'm tempted :wink: :rolleyes:
....You're always tempted, my friend!
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: - Five Star Temptress :-
(http://www.go4celebrity.com/wallpapers/Alyssa-Milano/go4-Alyssa-Milano-065.jpg)
Order the silver chair to go with your other silver toys, and she'll deliver it!!............................[You wish!!!! and so do I!!!!!!]
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RedRobin..............What .........What ...........I was expecting to see aload of GTI wall papers.............NOT such filthy eye candy............. :drool: :drool: :drool: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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....There's plenty more temptresses where she came from! It's the silver chair I was ogling of course! :grin: I was looking for GTI wallpapers, honest!, but got distracted on the way :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: - Evil place, the internet....Wicked Wild Web of entrapment by lurking creatures from planet Venus.
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well the deal im interested in was a partx for mine, ive given the dealer the info from my car and im waiting for him to get back to me (if its not already sold :sad:)
anyway heres some quik info & pix, any comments welcome.
2005 05 Reg VOLKSWAGEN Golf 2.0 GTI DSG
17500 miles
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w144/118d-Sport/media-5.jpg)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w144/118d-Sport/media2-1.jpg)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w144/118d-Sport/media3-1.jpg)
The only difference from my car is that it has xenons, 17monza, dsg extra 3k milles and a slider thing were the cup holders are.
2006 55 Reg VOLKSWAGEN Golf 2.0 GTI MANUAL
14500 miles
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w144/118d-Sport/P1000288.jpg)
OOH AND THANKS FOR YOUR REPLIES SO FAR, YOU GUYS ARE A REAL HELP.
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MMMMMMMMMM.....that's delicious.....the chair isn't bad either, It'd be better if she was wearing silver...mmmmmmmmmm :evil:
Err...sorry Monza..got a bit distracted :wink:
I'd go for the black one :cool:
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hmmm, it hasnt got the 18's on....... at has midline computer, nor paddles on the steering wheel, if i was you, id haggle on the price for the black one, get em to knock it down by about £300 and get the multifuntion wheel with paddles if the current one hasnt. Paddles in DSG go hand in hand imo.(about £300 will pay for the new steering wheel). otherwise, she does look good. make sure youve read the service history, and check it on vw;s system to see where its been serviced etc.
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hmmm, it hasnt got the 18's on....... at has midline computer, nor paddles on the steering wheel, if i was you, id haggle on the price for the black one, get em to knock it down by about £300 and get the multifuntion wheel with paddles if the current one hasnt. Paddles in DSG go hand in hand imo.(about £300 will pay for the new steering wheel). otherwise, she does look good. make sure youve read the service history, and check it on vw;s system to see where its been serviced etc.
so hang on a minute.. IT DONT HAVE THE PADDLES??
i thought dsg did have the flappy paddles??
im confused now
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have a look in the corners of the wheel like mine below....... by the dotty grip on the wheel
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/GTi2018.jpg)
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hmmm, it hasnt got the 18's on....... at has midline computer, nor paddles on the steering wheel, if i was you, id haggle on the price for the black one, get em to knock it down by about £300 and get the multifuntion wheel with paddles if the current one hasnt. Paddles in DSG go hand in hand imo.(about £300 will pay for the new steering wheel). otherwise, she does look good. make sure youve read the service history, and check it on vw;s system to see where its been serviced etc.
so hang on a minute.. IT DONT HAVE THE PADDLES??
i thought dsg did have the flappy paddles??
im confused now
Paddles were an optional extra once upon a time. They are standard now. Can't remember when they became standard. Only the last year or two I think. Someone here will be able to tell you.
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damn didnt know that the paddles were an extra option from ne
i thought you could select either manual or dsg which includes the paddles?
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I've got a July 05 model that has DSG but no paddles. They were an optional extra, however Phils right in his comments about getting a new wheel with paddles retro-fitted for £300.
Had the paddles on my Audi and whilst I did like them aren't missing them at the moment.
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I would definitely go for a DSG car with paddles. I hardly ever use the stick - only when coming out of some junctions.
It's another item on the list of things to look out for I'm afraid. Make sure you ask the dealers if a DSG car has the paddles.
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I agree with all the above.....Paddles are a must have on the DSG :cool:
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I have dsg...it does what it says on the tin and soo much more.. :drool:....trust me/ us all its a new and better driving experience...if you are unsure take one for a drive, not just a wee diddy 10 min round the block run either...a proper blast :evil:. Just check out you tube for evidence, and not just the Top/ Fifth Gear journos opinions.
Also if you are in the market for a second hand car, dont be put off by one which has DSG and no flappies there are a good few about.....remember you can easily retro fit MF steering wheel with flappies at a reasonable cost, get a main dealer to quote you.
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I have dsg...it does what it says on the tin and soo much more.. :drool:....trust me/ us all its a new and better driving experience...if you are unsure take one for a drive, not just a wee diddy 10 min round the block run either...a proper blast :evil:. Just check out you tube for evidence, and not just the Top/ Fifth Gear journos opinions.
Also if you are in the market for a second hand car, dont be put off by one which has DSG and no flappies there are a good few about.....remember you can easily retro fit MF steering wheel with flappies at a reasonable cost, get a main dealer to quote you.
my local dealer said they would not do it, wouldnt even give me a price.
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ive gotta feeling my dealer wouldnt fit the steering wheel it either.
ill carry on looking for another dsg flappy on autotrader.
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ive gotta feeling my dealer wouldnt fit the steering wheel it either.
ill carry on looking for another dsg flappy on autotrader.
its not the end of the world laserblue, if you find a minter but it doesnt have paddles dont let it put you off,
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Well mine agreed to do it, so there are ones out there that will.
There's even a guide to doing it yourself on a forum somewhere its that easy.
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....I would complain to VW UK about any VW dealer that refuses to help - It's inexcusable in my opinion! :angry:
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Yep i think it costs circa £300 or thereabouts...phone round a few, God knows there are plenty of them.
Its certainly not worth rejecting a really good DSG example due to the fact that it doesn't have the flappies each side of the steering wheel!
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Automatics are great....for OAP's. :grin:
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Automatics are great....for OAP's. :grin:
Quoted when hes passed by a OAP driving his DSG ED30 in the faster lane! :smug: :wink:
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Automatics are great....for OAP's. :grin:
Quoted when hes passed by a OAP driving his DSG ED30 in the faster lane! :smug: :wink:
Who's driving an auto phil?
The Direct-Shift Gearbox or DSG (Direkt-schalt getriebe) is an electronically controlled, twin-shaft dual-clutch manual gearbox, without a conventional clutch pedal, with full automatic, or semi-manual control
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Why is it we always defend the DSG when it should be the guys in manuals defending why they bought the "old fashioned" and out dated gearbox :rolleyes: :evil:
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hey for all you DSG drivers youl be glad to know that in the mk6 they have ASW which basically means automatic steering wheel. then all you have to do is sit there and press the go peddle. i think people that want the most up to date gear box and steering wheel will be very happy, me however i enjoy DRIVING :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin:
*ducks behind his manual gearbox* :grin: :grin:
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I'm sure there were similar arguments when the first starter motors were introduced ("Real Men Crank the Engine") and where's the fun in having synchromesh and not having to double de-clutch?
I got a DSG, partly because I've only had 'ordinary' manuals before, but also because it's quicker :cool:
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....I'm convinced that having paddles makes the best use of the DSG system - I wouldn't want a DSG car without them.
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yeah i agree if you have the DSG the paddles are a must...
ill ring a few vw dealers up seeing which will fit the paddles if i get a earlier model DSG without them if not..
ill carry on looking for other later DSGs..
DSG is the future, after time ppl will get used 2it and manual will die out.. but untill then... i still like the manual
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In my eyes a gearbox which decideds when to change up/down a gear for you..... IS AN AUTOMATIC!!!!
There is simply no hiding behind any other facts.. you are NOT in full control :cool:
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R32 in that case then we might as well all write to VW and ask the Mk6 not to have DSG, ABS, ESP, auto Climate control etc etc, cos thats the only way we will ever have full control in the future :wink:
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R32 in that case then we might as well all write to VW and ask the Mk6 not to have DSG, ABS, ESP, auto Climate control etc etc, cos thats the only way we will ever have full control in the future :wink:
I am not asking to go back to basics Kentbladeboy... just to be in control of which gear i am in.
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i tried the DSG box but just didnt get on with it, i havnt driven to many Autos but i didnt find the DSG much better than any other Auto's i have driven, i was quite suprised after all the good reviews i heard about it
oh and the wife absolutely hated it, the only condition she put on the purchase was that i dont by an Auto !
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In my eyes a gearbox which decideds when to change up/down a gear for you..... IS AN AUTOMATIC!!!!
There is simply no hiding behind any other facts.. you are NOT in full control :cool:
....Fair enough if you don't like DSG, but I think your post suggests you may be misunderstanding the DSG system. Whenever you are in M-mode (M for Manual) you the driver are in complete control of which gear you want to be in. It's only in D and S-modes that gearshifts are automatically done.
That's the point - The DSG is the best of both worlds and offers you all the options and combinations of them to suit the road circumstances and your mood. :cool:
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In my eyes a gearbox which decideds when to change up/down a gear for you..... IS AN AUTOMATIC!!!!
There is simply no hiding behind any other facts.. you are NOT in full control :cool:
....Fair enough if you don't like DSG, but I think your post suggests you may be misunderstanding the DSG system. Whenever you are in M-mode (M for Manual) you the driver are in complete control of which gear you want to be in. It's only in D and S-modes that gearshifts are automatically done.
That's the point - The DSG is the best of both worlds and offers you all the options and combinations of them to suit the road circumstances and your mood. :cool:
Regardless of which mode you are in.. would i be correct in saying it will change gear if you put the go pedal to the floor???
And would i be correct in saying it will change down for you if you stomp on the brake??
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r32uk, how can you possibly compare a manual to a dsg, if you asking "does it change down when you come to a stop" or "change up when you floor it", you obviously havent used a dsg?????
so surely you cannot post comments about a manual being better if you have never used it by asking questions like that??? :huh: :huh:
i really dont follow now?.
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r32uk, how can you possibly compare a manual to a dsg, if you asking "does it change down when you come to a stop" or "change up when you floor it", you obviously havent used a dsg?????
so surely you cannot post comments about a manual being better if you have never used it by asking questions like that??? :huh: :huh:
i really dont follow now?.
I never said stop. I have driven the dsg and it was these little things that annoyed me. I like to know what gear I am in.... even in M mode the dsg still did the changing for me. So what is the difference between auto and M mode??? Because i really didnt notice any
I just though you dsg owners might be able to clarify, as nearly every dsg owner on here seems to rave on about how great it is. I just thought it would be a good idea to highlight some of the problems found with DSG. Judging by some of the reviews (EVo especially) they took a very keen dislike to the DSG and stated how clumsy it was at low speeds.
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I think that you can only qualify to slag something off after you have experienced it for a long time. The DSG takes time to get used to it. A test drive won't give you the opportunity to experience it to the full. It took me a couple of months before I started to get a feel for using it properly. I was driving it exclusively in D mode for the first month while I was running it in. Like I said before, I thought that I had made a mistake getting the DSG when I first started trying it in manual mode as it felt so different and difficult. I couldn't do without it now.
It does change down for you in manual mode if you slow right down but then I don't mind, as slowing right down is not part of driving that I enjoy! :smiley:
I know how much to floor it so that it doesn't change down for me. Again I don't mind it changing down for me. It's another option for the driver, either click it down a gear or two, or floor the pedal for the same effect.
Enjoy the car that you have and please don't slag off other peoples choices. :smiley:
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Orca im not slagging off DSG. Im just trying to highlight its flaws. Just like the manual which also has its flaws. There was really only posts on here saying how great DSG is and how its a must have. Which to tbh doesnt really give the original poster a clear view of things.
These posts are not really for my benifit or yours as we already have our cars. i just thought it would be good to highlight both sides of the coin.
I had to drive my dads car for 3 months (auto) hated it at first. By third month I was used to it. When I got back into mine... strangly enough even that felt strange. You quickly become acustomed to what you have to live with... but for me its manual all the way... there simply is no substitute.
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R32UK, I know where you're coming from. People tend to highly rate something that they own (myself included).
I know how 'connected' driving a manual car is. You feel that you are part of the mechanics of the car when you press the clutch with your leg/foot and slot the gear stick into gear with your arm/hand then let go of the clutch and floor the accelerator with your other leg/foot. That sensation is lost with DSG. It's all in the fingers (and one foot)!
I honestly don't have many bad words to say about the DSG. It does offer many driving options. If you feel lazy then you can drive it in D or S mode.
The only bad things that I can think of is that there is sometimes what appears to be a slight delay in changing gear from when you press the up paddle. I think it depends on what revs you are at when you change gear. The gear is shown as changed but the engine doesn't change note for a split second. Also changing down to second gear can sometimes be juddery. It seems to slow right down. Not sure if that's the case with everyone or it's just my car in which case I need to get it looked at! :undecided:
They are not big issues for me though.
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@R32UK
As others have stated - you ARE in control of what gear you are in when in manual tiptronic mode. The box will only automatically change to protect itself if it reaches the lower and upper RPM limits. If you drive it within the RPM limits (i.e stall RPM to Red Line) the DSG WILL NOT shift for you. You can also stop it downshifting at the kickdown if you so wish.
DSG is by far and away the most versitile transmission system you can get.
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In my eyes a gearbox which decideds when to change up/down a gear for you..... IS AN AUTOMATIC!!!!
There is simply no hiding behind any other facts.. you are NOT in full control :cool:
but you can choose when it changes gear in the manual mode, it just so happens the the computer controlling it can take care of it all should you wish,
If your on about it changing down in manual mode so you won't stall or changin up so you dont over rev the engine, do you get some kind of satisfaction knowing you can blow you car up or stall it like a learner if you want to?????/ :tongue:
you can put your foot down hard and it wont change down unless you hit the kickdown switch.
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@R32UK
As others have stated - you ARE in control of what gear you are in when in manual tiptronic mode. The box will only automatically change to protect itself if it reaches the lower and upper RPM limits. If you drive it within the RPM limits (i.e stall RPM to Red Line) the DSG WILL NOT shift for you. You can also stop it downshifting at the kickdown if you so wish.
DSG is by far and away the most versitile transmission system you can get.
.... ^^^^ What he said! ^^^^
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With DSG if you hit the red line the box will seamlessly change up a gear without losing momentum. With a manual you will hit the rev-limiter and slow down. I know which option I prefer....
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Well... what can I say?? Apart from where the hell are all the other manual owners???? :embarassed: :embarassed:
There was a previous thread which highlighted many of the flaws of the DSG inc being very jerky at low speeds and changing up gears too soon, which is something i noticed when i used one. Not to mention the limitations on tuning (yes thats right!!) Obviously there is the option of using manual mode and changing gear when you want. Surely this is removing the fun from driving.
I have no doubt the changes are flawless, but you cant get away from the fact that about 90% of people will be happy to plod along in Auto mode. You know who you are. Then to make matters worse will use the excuse that its faster, and the future, when really all they are doing is being lazy. Yes it is fractionally faster 0-60, but after that i would say that there is nothing in it which many reviews/tests have proven. Could this be down to the launch control?? All I know is that dsg has taken away something from driving, along with things like traction control, and abs (although this does come in handy).
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Maybe its just me being in a R32 as your definately not required to change/drop a gear to find some power. Could this be something you Gti driver require more than a R32?? I really dont know... what i do know is that I would consider a DSG, but not for another 30yrs or so!! :cool:
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my dad has a porsche turbo and thats an 'auto' with tiptronic, my mum has a bmw e92 M3 which is manual. obviously the porsche is faster but the beemer seems more fun!! :smiley:
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Must admit to not being fully used to the DSG yet.
I've got in to the habit of putting it in D around town, however last night was pulling on to a motorway slip road, naturally wanted to overtake the lorries on the slip so gave the car a bit of welly. It started to make a screaming noise and wouldn't go above 30. Looked down to realise I had it in manual and it was in first gear :embarassed: :laugh: :embarassed:
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lol i love you guys on here you all give a detailed example and stand by your opinions.
i think its true what another reply said about you have to live with the manual and dsg for some time to properly comment on them both.
ive just got the manual as u all know and im happy with it as its what im used to but if a nice example comes along ill defo swop it for a dsg
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gotta laugh , these threads always turn out the same , both camps inherently sticking with what they bought.
I have an ED30 manual , simple reason was money at the time.
Went in for a std GTI , came out ordering a ED30 , for me a compromise had to be made, and of course I could have bought a GTI+DSG
Ultimately
1 : DSG box is not an auto , its far better than that, allows full control and is top of the tree of current cars for this technology. Supreme engineering achievement and it works too :smiley: If you can afford it , I suggest you try it.
I know if I had extra cash I would have had DSG , but then if I had more money I wouldnt have a golf lol
2: Manual is slower FACT! However it IS more tactile and the reward is somewhat higher. I guess it must be the fact we are having to 'DO' something. I enjoy a manual , the skill level to drive is higher.
With my previous runabout the E46 M3 , the argument was SMG vs Manual
SMG good , but not a patch on DSG , I could see clear disadvantages of the SMG system for that car , so the manual it was.
For the golf its clear there are no disadvantages that are worth moaning about , and many plus's
So it boils down to
MANUAL = you want more 'feel' and driver involvement + the ability to remap above DSG torque limit :smiley:
DSG = faster, more expensive but ultimately the best 'auto' box around.
both great , both different
JohnO
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Well said john_o!
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....Well, 400 Nm / 300 ft lb torque seems plenty for fast road use on a FWD Golf to me! :cool:
The new 7-speed DSG boxes are limited to 550 Nm in the new A4, A5, Q5 Audis coming out later this year.
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The same argument has raged within BMW since the introduction of the SMG, and now the DCT will no doubt provoke the same debate we are having here, although I think tuning potential and fears over max torque are not worrying BMW, as its putting out a bit more than most Mk5 Golfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmaAxzTqh8g
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I bought my ED30 on the grounds that the car would be getting mild modded and remapped. I now have the full Miltek, DV, Air filter and then remap. Are you sure your Automatic DSG is faster :huh:
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Its only faster 0-60 using lauch control. Aside from that I have seen no conclusive evidence that its faster up and running. Unless anyone can find any vids or stats??
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Its only faster 0-60 using lauch control. Aside from that I have seen no conclusive evidence that its faster up and running. Unless anyone can find any vids or stats??
The extract below has been taken direct from VW's website.
Twin electronically-controlled shafts manage gear selection. When the lever is slotted into Drive, one shaft selects first gear. At the same time, the second shaft puts the next gear on standby.
No sooner has the box changed to second, than the original shaft readies third and so on.
Because the actions of the two shafts overlap, not only are gearshifts incredibly smooth, they are also unbelievably fast: each change takes less than four-hundredths of a second.
It is not rocket science to understand why the DSG makes for quicker accleration, unless you can change gear manually in less than 0.04 seconds then you will have had your foot off the accelerator and therefore been losing momentum for longer than the DSG driver. If the manual car driver can change gear quicker than 0.04 seconds at the optimum point everytime then his manual car will be quicker. Afraid I don't have any Youtube videos recorded under a strictly controlled and fair environment for you, I'll just have to hope that the laws of physics is conclusive enough evidence for you.
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You canna change the laws of physics jim :laugh:
this could go on and on!
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....I can't be arsed to look through all 9 pages of this thread to check out whether this comparison DSG vs Manual vid has already been posted, but although it's not scientific it's very good and also a great laugh - Enjoy!! :smiley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o&NR=1)
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I resisted posting anything for the first 8 pages :grin:
But R32UK's constant negativity wore me down in the end. Although I did manage to resist commenting on the two 3.2 Quattro A3's I owned both with DSG when he played the 3.2's dont need DSG card.
I have seen the vid before and its great, though I'm sure R32UK would like to point out he uses launch control and that doesn't count :evil:
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well i find it all funny, this thread will go on forever as different people have differnt preferences. so people prefere the "auto" box and some manual......end of it!!!
although i do find it funny that all DSG owners feel the absolute need to defend their decision on the auto box. if its a good system then use it and dont try and defend it, and then one day it may take over and the manual gearbox will be foggoten about, untill then im loving using manul. :smiley:
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well i find it all funny, this thread will go on forever as different people have differnt preferences. so people prefere the "auto" box and some manual......end of it!!!
although i do find it funny that all DSG owners feel the absolute need to defend their decision on the auto box. if its a good system then use it and dont try and defend it, and then one day it may take over and the manual gearbox will be foggoten about, untill then im loving using manul. :smiley:
You're spot on IMHO on the first para
However - people (myself included) only seem to 'defend' themselves over the DSG when under 'attack' from manual drivers! You don't hear that many DSG drivers taken the p out of manual owners ...
It's a bit like arguing over the best colour! Who knows, and ultimately, who cares??!
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well i find it all funny, this thread will go on forever as different people have differnt preferences. so people prefere the "auto" box and some manual......end of it!!!
although i do find it funny that all DSG owners feel the absolute need to defend their decision on the auto box. if its a good system then use it and dont try and defend it, and then one day it may take over and the manual gearbox will be foggoten about, untill then im loving using manul. :smiley:
....I think it was R32UK who challenged DSG and consequently brought out DSG owners in defence.
In any case, the original poster asked for DSG opinions and that's what we are discussing. :cool:
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Its only faster 0-60 using lauch control. Aside from that I have seen no conclusive evidence that its faster up and running. Unless anyone can find any vids or stats??
[nope me neither :rolleyes:I heard there is torque problems with the automatics when remapped too..Did I say my grandad drives an auto :grin: /quote]
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DSG is good that's why I chose it, but I think the initial thread started to get the good and bad, not the bias.
I love mine except for the fact it goes through 1st and 2nd really quickly when in D and you can even find yourself in 4th where as in a manual you'd probably still be in 2nd.
This is great for fuel econ when not pressing on and the car can easily find 2nd in 0.04 seconds with a kick down but this is sometimes a bit too much. Driving in S is too extreme the other way and holds on too long for "spirited" driving.
There - a honest review with the standard bias -
It's the future and it's here now go get it - those with an extra pedal remind me of my late grandfather who always swore by the double de-clutching.
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Wow my first thread to reach 10 pages :laugh:
I think we should call it a day now, the thread has been amusing and helpfull throughout the whole week.
I want to thank you all for you comments.
This forum is way better than the golfmkv.com :wink:
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Just one last thing...
Let us all know what you end up getting :smiley:
Cheers
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Just one last thing...
Let us all know what you end up getting :smiley:
Cheers
....And make sure it's a DSG !!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :grin: :laugh: :cool:
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Jeezaloo!! im away for half a day and end up getting slagged off by every grandad with a DSG :lipsrsealed:
Im not hear to change anyone's mind as I said previously, I have already made the choice as have most of you. I just wanted to help a dude out with his decision. it wouldnt be right if 50 people came on hear and said DSG is the best thing ever and the he goes out and gets one... only to find like me that its not for him. :undecided:
Here is the conclusive evidence
1.DSG is faster 0-60 (but yet to see any proof of it being faster round a track) correct me if im wrong.
2. You are not in full control of your gearing
3. 90% of dsg drivers will leave it in auto
4. there are limits on the amount of power a DSG box can handle
5. We dont know how long they last :grin:
6. Cant do donuts in a DSG.... very important!!
7. A little "jolty" at low speeds
8. Danger of getting a "lazy leg"
9. Cant change gear using paddles when going round corners
10. Cant (for whatever reason) be in gear and rev your engine in an aggressive manner
These are just a few points.. no need for anyone to get all defensive either.. :grin: :grin:
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R32, personally I don't give a toss if the manual or the DSG is a better car, but I am always perturbed when statements are made that do not always add up
I read this last month in my Road & Track
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=6321
Still not enough power?
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isnt the bugatti veyron fitted with dsg aswell?? has that got enough horsepower with a dsg box?
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Sorry Im not sure what point your trying to make there kentblade boy.
You did read that they have had to make changes to the DSG?? The standard DSG fitted in the golf WILL NOT handle that kind of power. FACT
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Never suggested it would....just sitting here bored and wondered how long it would take for you to rise to the bait :smiley:
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Never suggested it would....just sitting here bored and wondered how long it would take for you to rise to the bait :smiley:
Dude.... i got an excuse... im at work! night night homeboy :tongue: :evil:
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Jeezaloo!! im away for half a day and end up getting slagged off by every grandad with a DSG :lipsrsealed:
Im not hear to change anyone's mind as I said previously, I have already made the choice as have most of you. I just wanted to help a dude out with his decision. it wouldnt be right if 50 people came on hear and said DSG is the best thing ever and the he goes out and gets one... only to find like me that its not for him. :undecided:
Here is the conclusive evidence
1.DSG is faster 0-60 (but yet to see any proof of it being faster round a track) correct me if im wrong. Wishful thinking
2. You are not in full control of your gearing bollocks
3. 90% of dsg drivers will leave it in auto true
4. there are limits on the amount of power a DSG box can handle true
5. We dont know how long they last :grin: true
6. Cant do donuts in a DSG.... very important!! doughnuts? if you mean wheel spin then its pretty easy with dsg
7. A little "jolty" at low speeds never noticed this so gonna have to say bollocks
8. Danger of getting a "lazy leg" ?????? pathetic reason
9. Cant change gear using paddles when going round corners bollocks
10. Cant (for whatever reason) be in gear and rev your engine in an aggressive manner neither can a manual, you have to putch the clutch in are then out of gear
These are just a few points.. no need for anyone to get all defensive either.. :grin: :grin:
Bad points of manuals
Pain in the ass in traffic jams
cost of chaging a clutch
always a chance you could stall
always a chance you could over rev the engine and cause damage
missing a gear when accelerating and loosing speed
A driver may inadvertently shift into the wrong gear with a manual transmission, potentially causing damage to the engine or transmission
unable to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times, hence not as safe as an automatic
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Yeah thats why I am bored too, just sitting at work , being paid to sit on my ass doing nuffin
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This thread's getting way to borring for me manual wins. :laugh:
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This thread's getting way to borring for me manual wins. :laugh:
I agree! Some good points there made about a manual too. thats what we like to see.... the first person to use some initiative and address what the thread is really about. Unfortunately most of those would only be down to user error.
So manual wins again! :tongue: :smug:
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Yeap...Automatic DSG's are for OAP & girls so... :grin:
Manual wins...
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read this month's EVO; interesting article on the future of gearboxes......... :nerd:
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Yeap...Automatic DSG's are for OAP & girls so... :grin:
Manual wins...
Sorry DSG wins is more popular :evil: :evil:
...the manual is outnumbered 216 to 158 in favour of DSG ... yes 58% prefer the DSG :grin: :grin: :grin: (live poll - results may change!)
http://www.tyresmoke.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/736640/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1
Now don't go and fix that Poll :rolleyes:
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read this month's EVO; interesting article on the future of gearboxes......... :nerd:
Havent read the article... but if its got anything to do with being the future of all gear boxes I may have heard that story before somewhere. I however think as long as people are willing to pay extra for autos/dsg boxs thankfully manual will be around forever :grin:
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Yeap...Automatic DSG's are for OAP & girls so... :grin:
Manual wins...
Sorry DSG wins is more popular :evil: :evil:
...the manual is outnumbered 216 to 158 in favour of DSG ... yes 58% prefer the DSG :grin: :grin: :grin: (live poll - results may change!)
http://www.tyresmoke.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/736640/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1
Now don't go and fix that Poll :rolleyes:
Think there might be more than 365 Golf owners out there??? :smug:
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I see it's gone to 216 - 159 very quickly R32 :evil: :evil: :evil:
BTW your maths is wrong - 216+158 = 374 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (you'd better do a quick edit eh?)
It just shows how close the choice is though ... so it's no surprise that this topic is always debated by both sides enthusiastically :laugh:
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I see it's gone to 216 - 159 very quickly R32 :evil: :evil: :evil:
BTW your maths is wrong - 216+158 = 374 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (you'd better do a quick edit eh?)
It just shows how close the choice is though ... so it's no surprise that this topic is always debated by both sides enthusiastically :laugh:
I was gonna vote then decided not to :tongue:
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DSG isn't for OAP's - it is for those who are more "worldy wise" and know better :rolleyes: :evil: :wink:
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Worldly wise..I'm currently in Singapore shipyard having recently left Las Palmas and before that Baku. Since Christmas I've travelled to Milan then North Africa and on to Texas to Trinidad and back to Milan. I have possibly been to every port and shipyard in the world and guess what....
I drive a manual :grin: :grin:
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BRAVO!!!! The crowd erupts..... huge cheer for Chris his Ed30, and both his left arm and leg which have not become useless due to the evil plan of Dr DSG to take over the driving world :tongue: :tongue:
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Worldly wise..I'm currently in Singapore shipyard having recently left Las Palmas and before that Baku. Since Christmas I've travelled to Milan then North Africa and on to Texas to Trinidad and back to Milan. I have possibly been to every port and shipyard in the world and guess what....
I drive a manual :grin: :grin:
I said worldly wise not well travelled...case in point :rolleyes: :evil:
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SORRY!!!! :embarassed: to bring up an old thread :lipsrsealed:
but nobody seems to have mentioned this. when we went to awesome on saturday hurdy and gaz both ran their ed30 with apr and carbonio. hurdy had full miltek system and gaz had standard exhaust. they both ran 304 and 305, gaz has manual and hurdy has dsg.
so the miltek will add 15-20 bhp, so why did hurdys not run more than gaz's?? sorry ive been wondering this all weekend but cant think of anything other than the DSG box not being as powerful as manual????
any explanations as im curiouse :smiley:
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SORRY!!!! :embarassed: to bring up an old thread :lipsrsealed:
but nobody seems to have mentioned this. when we went to awesome on saturday hurdy and gaz both ran their ed30 with apr and carbonio. hurdy had full miltek system and gaz had standard exhaust. they both ran 304 and 305, gaz has manual and hurdy has dsg.
so the miltek will add 15-20 bhp, so why did hurdys not run more than gaz's?? sorry ive been wondering this all weekend but cant think of anything other than the DSG box not being as powerful as manual????
any explanations as im curiouse :smiley:
There are a few possibilities, the main one being that the DSG only revs to about 6,500 revs before the rolling road operator has to knock it out of gear, the manual can be pushed to 7k revs.
The other reasons are that it was simply a stronger engine in Gaz's car, as not all engines are equal.
Mine only achieved 285bhp before the Milltek and Gaz's makes 305, so there is definitely something in it.
I'm happy with my bhp and the knowledge I have 300+bhp (at the moment :wink:)
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The engine in my car has always made good power even when standard, could be my running in methods :evil:.
I see your point Hurdy regarding the peak revs but max power was @ about 6250rpm so its probably not that. I've heard rumours the DSG box limits torque don't know about power although I've never seen anything concrete regarding this
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dsg doesnt limit torque or power, you are just limited to how much you can tune your car before it may cause the box problems
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....The other consideration is that rolling roads / dynos aren't that reliable anyway - every plot run is different. I wouldn't take much notice about a few bhp neddies either way - Driveability and driver skill is far more important, the rest is just pub bragging rights. :cool:
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....The other consideration is that rolling roads / dynos aren't that reliable anyway - every plot run is different. I wouldn't take much notice about a few bhp neddies either way - Driveability and driver skill is far more important, the rest is just pub bragging rights. :cool:
300+bhp = pub bragging rights :grin:
I've heard rumours the DSG box limits torque don't know about power although I've never seen anything concrete regarding this
Yes, I've heard the same. I've heard that torque is limited in first and second gear with the DSG to aid the launch control function. How accurate this is I don't know. There must be some kind of function like that built into the control unit otherwise you basically don't have launch control.
If you look at Awesome's DSG demo car as an example, it makes huge power at 375bhp, but the torque was sitting at 339lbft. I'd have thought that a manual would make a higher torque level as Gaz's car made 313lbft (although I was sure I saw a 319lbft figure too?) with just the stage 1 APR. It makes me wonder if there is a function in there as the following calcs are done:-
Awesome DSG torque/power 339/375 = 0.904
My car DSG torque/power 275/304 = 0.904
Both of theses are after the maps have been on the car for a while. Initially mine was 290lb/ft but this seems to have dropped over time.
Only a theory, but who knows :undecided:
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hummmm how strange, ah well i wish i had 300bhp pub bragin rights!!!
now where did i put that ed30 engine :tongue: :grin:
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APR now do a ED30/S3 conversion for the regular GTi, comes with injectors, turbo, fuel pump and software and makes more power than a remapped ED30 for some reason, best get saving Joe :evil:
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APR now do a ED30/S3 conversion for the regular GTi, comes with injectors, turbo, fuel pump and software and makes more power than a remapped ED30 for some reason, best get saving Joe :evil:
full s3 conversion: about 4000pounds
the smile on your face: priceless :rolleyes: