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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Optimus prime on 28 July 2015, 10:58
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As above would be nice to hear both sides of the argument if possible :undecided: I have read that the remap has been causing a little clutch type slip in both manual & dsg is this still the case ?
Thanks
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Hi Optimus prime!
I added a DTUK box to my Manual GTD after it's first service (10,000 miles) and have since done another 11,000 problem free miles with the box on.
I never run the box higher than +1 (I use 3+1 or 1+1 only).
I think either a box or remap could cause clutch slip, as you are putting a lot more torque through the drivetrain - but I've never had any and the DTUK delivery is very smooth. Personally I chose a tuning box as I can remove it for services and I was concerned a remap might cause TD1 flag's which could have a negative impact on warranty issues.
The DTUK box also had loads of great reviews and lots of thorough testing and analysis here, especially by MonkeyHanger.
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer as to which solution is best as it will depend on what you consider a risk or not/your preference. If there are multiple clutch issues reported with Carbon, that's a bit concerning - but you could speak with them to see what circumstances the issues were in (manual/dsg/an older map??)
Either way, I do recommend a box/remap - the GTD was built for it :)
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Hi Optimus prime!
I added a DTUK box to my Manual GTD after it's first service (10,000 miles) and have since done another 11,000 problem free miles with the box on.
I never run the box higher than +1 (I use 3+1 or 1+1 only).
I think either a box or remap could cause clutch slip, as you are putting a lot more torque through the drivetrain - but I've never had any and the DTUK delivery is very smooth. Personally I chose a tuning box as I can remove it for services and I was concerned a remap might cause TD1 flag's which could have a negative impact on warranty issues.
The DTUK box also had loads of great reviews and lots of thorough testing and analysis here, especially by MonkeyHanger.
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer as to which solution is best as it will depend on what you consider a risk or not/your preference. If there are multiple clutch issues reported with Carbon, that's a bit concerning - but you could speak with them to see what circumstances the issues were in (manual/dsg/an older map??)
Either way, I do recommend a box/remap - the GTD was built for it :)
Hi,
Thanks for the reply always had mapped cars in the past via the obd but never with anything still under warranty.
How do you find your mpg and dpf regens with the box fitted? Also do you run normal or super derv? Mine pulls & runs so much better on the super stuff, never noticed any difference in previous derv's however there is a definite difference in the gtd with the better fuel.
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I haven't noticed any dpf's since having the box on, I guess they are happening - just not as often. Had the box off for a service last week and sure enough the fans were running when I stopped the car.
Mpg is about the same, I commuted on the motorway for a few months and was getting 53mpg actual including town driving and some A road blasts.
I use standard diesel, but always Esso - no supermarkets. I'll have to give their premium a go then!!
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I haven't noticed any dpf's since having the box on, I guess they are happening - just not as often. Had the box off for a service last week and sure enough the fans were running when I stopped the car.
Mpg is about the same, I commuted on the motorway for a few months and was getting 53mpg actual including town driving and some A road blasts.
I use standard diesel, but always Esso - no supermarkets. I'll have to give their premium a go then!!
Not sure the Esso premium is all that unfortunately, Shell or BP is the way to go, BP super has the highest cetane of all the super derv's. I'm using shell nitro derv at the moment and there is a definite improvement over my normal esso derv. Only an extra £5 on a fill up so worth the cost just to keep the dpf cleaner as the super fuels obviously burn better / cleaner hence less regens which hit your mpg
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I can't comment on the remap but I'm another big fan of the DTUK box. I run mine on 4+2 (it's the older box) and it absolutely pulls.
I get 53mpg pretty regularly, but I do a long commute, it's just as useless on a short journey as a standard car.
I also just run my car on supermarket fuel, tried Shell and BP and Esso in the first few months but consistently got the best MPG with Asda fuel and could feel no difference in the performance so I just fill up at Asda.
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I can't comment on the remap but I'm another big fan of the DTUK box. I run mine on 4+2 (it's the older box) and it absolutely pulls.
I get 53mpg pretty regularly, but I do a long commute, it's just as useless on a short journey as a standard car.
I also just run my car on supermarket fuel, tried Shell and BP and Esso in the first few months but consistently got the best MPG with Asda fuel and could feel no difference in the performance so I just fill up at Asda.
Thanks for the info, fuel wise the super stuff burns better so typically you get less soot from a dpf point of view so less regens hence the slight increase in mpg however it is only 2-3 mpg at best. The engine seems to pull better which would also match the better burn rate. However my interest is keeping the regens to a min & therefore looking after my dpf with regards to soot loading. If I wanted to race around I would of kept my Merc E63 V8 :grin: Supermarket fuel is fine if you do good miles 12-15+K per year as a passive dpf burn will take place but for anyone doing under 10K a year or shorter trips I would consider the super fuels due to the lesser soot they produce
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As above would be nice to hear both sides of the argument if possible :undecided: I have read that the remap has been causing a little clutch type slip in both manual & dsg is this still the case ?
Thanks
The map can be written in a way that the boost won't wreck your clutch if you give it a boot full of 'throttle' in top gear just as the turbo hits max spool. I've had issues with previous TDI maps and even a REVO map on a petrol but revised software sorted this very easily, it just modulates the boost a bit differently.
Does Craig still work for Carbon or is it just Nick now? I've not seen doc on here for ages and ages.
It's six of one and half a dozen of the other really, they both do the same job in moderately different ways.
Bear in mind the box does have a sell on value and I think I'd go that way initially, possibly even picking up a used box that can be sold on again with minimal loss (if any) if it doesn't float your boat. I can't see that it wouldn't though, it brings the car alive.
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As above would be nice to hear both sides of the argument if possible :undecided: I have read that the remap has been causing a little clutch type slip in both manual & dsg is this still the case ?
Thanks
The map can be written in a way that the boost won't wreck your clutch if you give it a boot full of 'throttle' in top gear just as the turbo hits max spool. I've had issues with previous TDI maps and even a REVO map on a petrol but revised software sorted this very easily, it just modulates the boost a bit differently.
Does Craig still work for Carbon or is it just Nick now? I've not seen doc on here for ages and ages.
It's six of one and half a dozen of the other really, they both do the same job in moderately different ways.
Bear in mind the box does have a sell on value and I think I'd go that way initially, possibly even picking up a used box that can be sold on again with minimal loss (if any) if it doesn't float your boat. I can't see that it wouldn't though, it brings the car alive.
I think you right & the box is the way forward especially while under warranty, nothing doing on ebay regarding a secondhand unit for sale unless a forum member is selling?
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Check on here, Briskoda and seatcupra.net & I can guarantee you'll find at least one for sale.
Look in the TDI section of the mk7 forum on here too as there's a huge thread and a few members have mentioned theirs are up for sale.
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I haven't noticed any dpf's since having the box on, I guess they are happening - just not as often. Had the box off for a service last week and sure enough the fans were running when I stopped the car.
Mpg is about the same, I commuted on the motorway for a few months and was getting 53mpg actual including town driving and some A road blasts.
I use standard diesel, but always Esso - no supermarkets. I'll have to give their premium a go then!!
Not sure the Esso premium is all that unfortunately, Shell or BP is the way to go, BP super has the highest cetane of all the super derv's. I'm using shell nitro derv at the moment and there is a definite improvement over my normal esso derv. Only an extra £5 on a fill up so worth the cost just to keep the dpf cleaner as the super fuels obviously burn better / cleaner hence less regens which hit your mpg
Premium Esso diesel? I didn't know there was one, I only see one diesel pump at my local Esso stations. My GTD ran fine on standard Esso or BP, not so good on Shell regular or V-power. V-power is cleaner due to the synthesised content, but it is also less potent (it is about 8% less calorific than regular diesel), so although it has a cleaner burn, it has less go per litre, I regularly saw 4mpg less using V-power. Do yourself a favour and use Esso/Sainsburys (BP is generally pricey around the North East) and stick a shot of Millers Ecomax to boost the Cetane. Buy a 5L can of the stuff and it will add 60p to a tank of fuel, not a fiver like V-power does.
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I haven't noticed any dpf's since having the box on, I guess they are happening - just not as often. Had the box off for a service last week and sure enough the fans were running when I stopped the car.
Mpg is about the same, I commuted on the motorway for a few months and was getting 53mpg actual including town driving and some A road blasts.
I use standard diesel, but always Esso - no supermarkets. I'll have to give their premium a go then!!
Not sure the Esso premium is all that unfortunately, Shell or BP is the way to go, BP super has the highest cetane of all the super derv's. I'm using shell nitro derv at the moment and there is a definite improvement over my normal esso derv. Only an extra £5 on a fill up so worth the cost just to keep the dpf cleaner as the super fuels obviously burn better / cleaner hence less regens which hit your mpg
Premium Esso diesel? I didn't know there was one, I only see one diesel pump at my local Esso stations. My GTD ran fine on standard Esso or BP, not so good on Shell regular or V-power. V-power is cleaner due to the synthesised content, but it is also less potent (it is about 8% less calorific than regular diesel), so although it has a cleaner burn, it has less go per litre, I regularly saw 4mpg less using V-power. Do yourself a favour and use Esso/Sainsburys (BP is generally pricey around the North East) and stick a shot of Millers Ecomax to boost the Cetane. Buy a 5L can of the stuff and it will add 60p to a tank of fuel, not a fiver like V-power does.
Yep we have premium Essex diesel down here :laugh: used to do the whole millers thing with my 535d but got tired of the smell in the boot despite sealing the bottle properly after each fill up. May go back to the idea but will try bp ultimate first. My gtd is return 3 mpg extra on v-power over my usual journies.
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As above would be nice to hear both sides of the argument if possible :undecided: I have read that the remap has been causing a little clutch type slip in both manual & dsg is this still the case ?
Thanks
The map can be written in a way that the boost won't wreck your clutch if you give it a boot full of 'throttle' in top gear just as the turbo hits max spool. I've had issues with previous TDI maps and even a REVO map on a petrol but revised software sorted this very easily, it just modulates the boost a bit differently.
Does Craig still work for Carbon or is it just Nick now? I've not seen doc on here for ages and ages.
It's six of one and half a dozen of the other really, they both do the same job in moderately different ways.
Bear in mind the box does have a sell on value and I think I'd go that way initially, possibly even picking up a used box that can be sold on again with minimal loss (if any) if it doesn't float your boat. I can't see that it wouldn't though, it brings the car alive.
I think you right & the box is the way forward especially while under warranty, nothing doing on ebay regarding a secondhand unit for sale unless a forum member is selling?
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11309&highlight=DTUK+SALE
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11238&highlight=DTUK+SALE
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@ exonian thanks for the links I have replied to both so lets hope someone replies :rolleyes:
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Amazing found 6 DTUK boxes for sale in various places emailed all......no response from anyone :sad:
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Amazing found 6 DTUK boxes for sale in various places emailed all......no response from anyone :sad:
I guess some people are on holiday and others may have sold their cars so don't log into the forums as much so might not get the messages. Maybe I'm being too kind to them?! :grin:
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interesting talk about this i dont have a DSG however few of my mates have gone for a remap at my local specialists and they remap both the engine ecu and also the gearbox to match. Therefore you dont have the issue of it putting strain on the standard programmed box.
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interesting talk about this i dont have a DSG however few of my mates have gone for a remap at my local specialists and they remap both the engine ecu and also the gearbox to match. Therefore you dont have the issue of it putting strain on the standard programmed box.
Hi,
Sorry to tell you that without actually removing the gearbox ecu and mapping on the bench with the correct software no autobox or dsg can be remapped via the obd. I hope your friends have not been lewd in by the "Conbox" that is being imported in from China for about £3 but is being sold as an auto gearbox remap for upwards of £800! All this box does is load a canbus or signal blocker onto your car which then prevents the gearbox ecu communicating with the engine ecu. In layman's terms it allows the gearbox to do exactly as it wants without any safe working limits! So the gearbox will match the full torque limit of the engine giving the impression that the gearbox has been remapped, which it hasn't. So if the car is remapped then the gearbox will just match the torque output which is extremely dangerous as our dsg boxes are limited to 400NM.
Pls tell me they never went to either of these? The conbox is the white box in the picture although there are several on the market in different disguises & colours.
http://www.jfautomotive.co.uk/ecu-remapping/gearbox-tuning/?gclid=CjwKEAjwluetBRD98L639p35p0QSJACC8BlKCRUtLJn_4z_LtQS6cqTzZx11q4DgJGSwPfzmWfI0rBoCdfbw_wcB
http://www.jrtuning.co.uk/gearbox-remap-tcu-tuning-dsg-automatic.shtml
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interesting talk about this i dont have a DSG however few of my mates have gone for a remap at my local specialists and they remap both the engine ecu and also the gearbox to match. Therefore you dont have the issue of it putting strain on the standard programmed box.
Hi,
Sorry to tell you that without actually removing the gearbox ecu and mapping on the bench with the correct software no autobox or dsg can be remapped via the obd. I hope your friends have not been lewd in by the "Conbox" that is being imported in from China for about £3 but is being sold as an auto gearbox remap for upwards of £800! All this box does is load a canbus or signal blocker onto your car which then prevents the gearbox ecu communicating with the engine ecu. In layman's terms it allows the gearbox to do exactly as it wants without any safe working limits! So the gearbox will match the full torque limit of the engine giving the impression that the gearbox has been remapped, which it hasn't. So if the car is remapped then the gearbox will just match the torque output which is extremely dangerous as our dsg boxes are limited to 400NM.
Pls tell me they never went to either of these? The conbox is the white box in the picture although there are several on the market in different disguises & colours.
http://www.jfautomotive.co.uk/ecu-remapping/gearbox-tuning/?gclid=CjwKEAjwluetBRD98L639p35p0QSJACC8BlKCRUtLJn_4z_LtQS6cqTzZx11q4DgJGSwPfzmWfI0rBoCdfbw_wcB
http://www.jrtuning.co.uk/gearbox-remap-tcu-tuning-dsg-automatic.shtml
hi yes they have the proper software i wouldnt bother posting if it was some micky mouse software from china
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interesting talk about this i dont have a DSG however few of my mates have gone for a remap at my local specialists and they remap both the engine ecu and also the gearbox to match. Therefore you dont have the issue of it putting strain on the standard programmed box.
Hi,
Sorry to tell you that without actually removing the gearbox ecu and mapping on the bench with the correct software no autobox or dsg can be remapped via the obd. I hope your friends have not been lewd in by the "Conbox" that is being imported in from China for about £3 but is being sold as an auto gearbox remap for upwards of £800! All this box does is load a canbus or signal blocker onto your car which then prevents the gearbox ecu communicating with the engine ecu. In layman's terms it allows the gearbox to do exactly as it wants without any safe working limits! So the gearbox will match the full torque limit of the engine giving the impression that the gearbox has been remapped, which it hasn't. So if the car is remapped then the gearbox will just match the torque output which is extremely dangerous as our dsg boxes are limited to 400NM.
Pls tell me they never went to either of these? The conbox is the white box in the picture although there are several on the market in different disguises & colours.
http://www.jfautomotive.co.uk/ecu-remapping/gearbox-tuning/?gclid=CjwKEAjwluetBRD98L639p35p0QSJACC8BlKCRUtLJn_4z_LtQS6cqTzZx11q4DgJGSwPfzmWfI0rBoCdfbw_wcB
http://www.jrtuning.co.uk/gearbox-remap-tcu-tuning-dsg-automatic.shtml
hi yes they have the proper software i wouldnt bother posting if it was some micky mouse software from china
Sorry not what I have discovered on my research, I only know as I was almost caught out myself. So they actually removed the gearbox ecu and bench mapped it or sent it away then? Believe me there is no access via the obd to the gearbox ecu for remapping. Not saying it can't be done however not via the obd because if it could be then every mapper in the uk would be doing it
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interesting talk about this i dont have a DSG however few of my mates have gone for a remap at my local specialists and they remap both the engine ecu and also the gearbox to match. Therefore you dont have the issue of it putting strain on the standard programmed box.
Hi,
Sorry to tell you that without actually removing the gearbox ecu and mapping on the bench with the correct software no autobox or dsg can be remapped via the obd. I hope your friends have not been lewd in by the "Conbox" that is being imported in from China for about £3 but is being sold as an auto gearbox remap for upwards of £800! All this box does is load a canbus or signal blocker onto your car which then prevents the gearbox ecu communicating with the engine ecu. In layman's terms it allows the gearbox to do exactly as it wants without any safe working limits! So the gearbox will match the full torque limit of the engine giving the impression that the gearbox has been remapped, which it hasn't. So if the car is remapped then the gearbox will just match the torque output which is extremely dangerous as our dsg boxes are limited to 400NM.
Pls tell me they never went to either of these? The conbox is the white box in the picture although there are several on the market in different disguises & colours.
http://www.jfautomotive.co.uk/ecu-remapping/gearbox-tuning/?gclid=CjwKEAjwluetBRD98L639p35p0QSJACC8BlKCRUtLJn_4z_LtQS6cqTzZx11q4DgJGSwPfzmWfI0rBoCdfbw_wcB
http://www.jrtuning.co.uk/gearbox-remap-tcu-tuning-dsg-automatic.shtml
hi yes they have the proper software i wouldnt bother posting if it was some micky mouse software from china
Sorry not what I have discovered on my research, I only know as I was almost caught out myself. So they actually removed the gearbox ecu and bench mapped it or sent it away then? Believe me there is no access via the obd to the gearbox ecu for remapping. Not saying it can't be done however not via the obd because if it could be then every mapper in the uk would be doing it
Yes they specifically had to go on courses to learn this.
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interesting talk about this i dont have a DSG however few of my mates have gone for a remap at my local specialists and they remap both the engine ecu and also the gearbox to match. Therefore you dont have the issue of it putting strain on the standard programmed box.
Hi,
Sorry to tell you that without actually removing the gearbox ecu and mapping on the bench with the correct software no autobox or dsg can be remapped via the obd. I hope your friends have not been lewd in by the "Conbox" that is being imported in from China for about £3 but is being sold as an auto gearbox remap for upwards of £800! All this box does is load a canbus or signal blocker onto your car which then prevents the gearbox ecu communicating with the engine ecu. In layman's terms it allows the gearbox to do exactly as it wants without any safe working limits! So the gearbox will match the full torque limit of the engine giving the impression that the gearbox has been remapped, which it hasn't. So if the car is remapped then the gearbox will just match the torque output which is extremely dangerous as our dsg boxes are limited to 400NM.
Pls tell me they never went to either of these? The conbox is the white box in the picture although there are several on the market in different disguises & colours.
http://www.jfautomotive.co.uk/ecu-remapping/gearbox-tuning/?gclid=CjwKEAjwluetBRD98L639p35p0QSJACC8BlKCRUtLJn_4z_LtQS6cqTzZx11q4DgJGSwPfzmWfI0rBoCdfbw_wcB
http://www.jrtuning.co.uk/gearbox-remap-tcu-tuning-dsg-automatic.shtml
hi yes they have the proper software i wouldnt bother posting if it was some micky mouse software from china
Sorry not what I have discovered on my research, I only know as I was almost caught out myself. So they actually removed the gearbox ecu and bench mapped it or sent it away then? Believe me there is no access via the obd to the gearbox ecu for remapping. Not saying it can't be done however not via the obd because if it could be then every mapper in the uk would be doing it
Yes they specifically had to go on courses to learn this.
Sorry that doesn't answer my question so was the gearbox ecu actually removed from the car like this and then bench mapped? If so it must of cost a fortune for very little gains
http://www.ecutesting.com/dsg_gearbox_ecu_removal_instru.html
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hmmm.......interesting when challenged the quick replies stop! Draw your own conclusions :whistle:
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Maybe he had work or similar to go to!
Just saying :laugh:
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Maybe he had work or similar to go to!
Just saying :laugh:
Oh yes of course silly me.....but I admire your optimism :rolleyes: I have seen enough people suddenly appear on forums to defend a product that actually doesn't work & then disappear when challenged with actual facts or questions :whistle:
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Hi Optimus prime!
I added a DTUK box to my Manual GTD after it's first service (10,000 miles) and have since done another 11,000 problem free miles with the box on.
I never run the box higher than +1 (I use 3+1 or 1+1 only).
I think either a box or remap could cause clutch slip, as you are putting a lot more torque through the drivetrain - but I've never had any and the DTUK delivery is very smooth. Personally I chose a tuning box as I can remove it for services and I was concerned a remap might cause TD1 flag's which could have a negative impact on warranty issues.
The DTUK box also had loads of great reviews and lots of thorough testing and analysis here, especially by MonkeyHanger.
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer as to which solution is best as it will depend on what you consider a risk or not/your preference. If there are multiple clutch issues reported with Carbon, that's a bit concerning - but you could speak with them to see what circumstances the issues were in (manual/dsg/an older map??)
Either way, I do recommend a box/remap - the GTD was built for it :)
Great to hear, this, got my car yesterday ordered the DTUK Stage 2 and GTi type Milltek Exhaust, did you try any other settings or just the 3+1?
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Guys,
Pls be aware if you buy a DTUK box 2nd hand or from ebay then the warranty does not transfer I checked with them, just friendly info nothing more :shocked: