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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mistertee on 17 July 2013, 19:19
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Hello all,
I was in the process of buying a spec'd up Audi A3 1.4, because I wanted to be "sensible", but the voice from the corner kept whispering.."golf gti, golf gti..". I've tried to buy a golf gti a few times over the years, but it always fell through due to cost etc. Having driven a mk5 and a mk6 I know how nice they are to drive, I've sat in the mk7 so I know it's quality on the inside, and I'm pretty sure it will be good to drive too.
Out of curiousity I priced up a mk7, and was surprised to find it's significantly cheaper in terms of tax and insurance over the mk6. The fuel cost is pretty much the same as my current Honda Civic Type S, so I might go for it.
Just want to know a few things;
1. what is the real world mpg? I will open a can of worms here with people saying "if you're worried about mpg don't get a gti", but at the end of the day I have to spend it so I might as well know upfront what it will cost to run.
2. what's the experience of unwanted attention, carjacking etc. From what I heard the audi's/bmw's are more likely to be stolen.
Drive the deal have a saving of about £3.5k with the adaptive chasis and performance pack. I can't believe a dealer will get close to that.
Thanks.
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Hi Mistertee
Welcome to the forum
To answer you questions
1) Real world mpg your probably looking at 35mpg on average maybe slightly more depending on your driving style
2) These type of cars are always likely to attract unwanted attention but that's what you pay your insurance for. I would recommend GAP insurance for piece of mind
A dealer will struggle to match DTD prices but you will still get 8-10% discount if you shop around
You should go for it, you won't regret it. Just the lead times that are a killer just now
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In my 1.8 vtec civic I get 29 around town, and 40 on the motorway, 35mpg isn't actually too bad!
The lead times on an a3 are 3-4 months. Sounds like the golf are similar.
That's 5 people who have said golf now.. maybe they are right. :)
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In my 1.8 vtec civic I get 29 around town, and 40 on the motorway, 35mpg isn't actually too bad!
The lead times on an a3 are 3-4 months. Sounds like the golf are similar.
That's 5 people who have said golf now.. maybe they are right. :)
No maybe's about it, of course they're right :smiley:
The sensible and safe option from an economy point of view is no doubt the A3 but sometimes you have to have a bit of fun and live a little
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In my 1.8 vtec civic I get 29 around town, and 40 on the motorway, 35mpg isn't actually too bad!
The lead times on an a3 are 3-4 months. Sounds like the golf are similar.
That's 5 people who have said golf now.. maybe they are right. :)
No maybe's about it, of course they're right :smiley:
Yep, don't get an A3, the technical term for them is "minging" :smiley:
The sensible and safe option from an economy point of view is no doubt the A3 but sometimes you have to have a bit of fun and live a little
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In my 1.8 vtec civic I get 29 around town, and 40 on the motorway, 35mpg isn't actually too bad!
The lead times on an a3 are 3-4 months. Sounds like the golf are similar.
That's 5 people who have said golf now.. maybe they are right. :)
Blimey, I can get better than that in my 8 year old Mk5 GTI, let alone the new Mk7 :grin: To be honest, I didn't even consider any other cars at this level, because none are going to offer the same looks, performance, comfort, toys, versatility, and driving pleasure that the new GTI offers.
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I've also ordered via DTD and first GTI, a car I've always wanted. Expect 37 or so mpg I reckon...
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36 mpg from my first tank full.
But then the air con has been on full blast the whole time and its still loosening up.
( I had to have a few 'acceleration tests' as well).
Nearer 40 average for normal driving I expect.
Awesome car, just amazing.
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36 mpg from my first tank full.
But then the air con has been on full blast the whole time and its still loosening up.
( I had to have a few 'acceleration tests' as well).
Nearer 40 average for normal driving I expect.
Awesome car, just amazing.
Was just gonna put a call out for you matey. Funny.
36 mpg whilst still running in and with a/c on full blast is very encouraging indeed!
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GTI all the way...YOLO and all that :laugh:
40 mpg is achievable in the MK6 GTI in the right conditions so I would expect even better from the MK7 once the engine has done some mileage, although it's usually around 32-35 mpg with the odd blast on a journey.
BMW's of a certain age are being stolen because of an alleged interior sensor flaw allowing thieves access to the OBD port so they can program a new key and drive off. It's supposed to have been rectified through a dealer update but know one seems 100%.
Most thefts reported of these cars seem to be key theft from the owners house.
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You guys have pushed me over the edge :grin: I've just emailed the dealer to see what he can do discount wise. I'll probably get a follow up phone call tomorrow.
Here's a question, sometimes they use finance to leverage a discount as they know they'll get commission on it. What's to stop me (legally and otherwise) taking the finance, but then cancelling it in the cool off period, and just settling up?
I've wanted a GTI for about 15 years. Could this happen???
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Drive the deal will always have best price but I got around 8 to 9% from my local dealer because they were good to deal with I wanted to order through them. If they spin you the we don't discount the gti line go elsewhere or play 2 off against each other.
Also you didn't mention if you had driven one yet ? If not, do that and you will be sold I think.
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You guys have pushed me over the edge :grin: I've just emailed the dealer to see what he can do discount wise. I'll probably get a follow up phone call tomorrow.
Here's a question, sometimes they use finance to leverage a discount as they know they'll get commission on it. What's to stop me (legally and otherwise) taking the finance, but then cancelling it in the cool off period, and just settling up?
I've wanted a GTI for about 15 years. Could this happen???
I took finance on my current MK6 GT as was getting a deal and free servicing - rang up and paid it off a couple of days after collecting the car
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I've wanted a GTI for about 15 years. Could this happen???
I was exactly like you. Since I was a kid I've always wanted a Golf GTI. Now I'm fortunate enough to afford one. I did test drive one and after that I was smitten. My order followed the very next day :laugh:
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Just another mention for DTD. I expected to get myself half way around the country to pick up the car. They used a dealer under ten miles away. All communication and payments done via the dealer. I reckon they have a network of dealers and it saves all the negotiating hassle. I got around £3k off a completely standard car when I ordered in May.
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Cheers for the info guys. I was about to order an A3 1.4, as a sensible car, but I went on a track day just before in a R35 GTR and I remembered how fun driving could be, and I started thinking about the golf again.
I shall see what the dealer can do, I have a figure in my head, if he can get close then I'll take him up on the offer, if not it's DTD for me. I WILL order something by the end of the month.
Depressingly...I had to get to 40 before I could enjoy all this. Sigh.
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Cheers for the info guys. I was about to order an A3 1.4, as a sensible car, but I went on a track day just before in a R35 GTR and I remembered how fun driving could be, and I started thinking about the golf again.
I shall see what the dealer can do, I have a figure in my head, if he can get close then I'll take him up on the offer, if not it's DTD for me. I WILL order something by the end of the month.
Depressingly...I had to get to 40 before I could enjoy all this. Sigh.
I think you'll be surprised about the average age of people on here :smiley: :smiley:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=252747.0
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Cheers for the info guys. I was about to order an A3 1.4, as a sensible car, but I went on a track day just before in a R35 GTR and I remembered how fun driving could be, and I started thinking about the golf again.
I shall see what the dealer can do, I have a figure in my head, if he can get close then I'll take him up on the offer, if not it's DTD for me. I WILL order something by the end of the month.
Depressingly...I had to get to 40 before I could enjoy all this. Sigh.
In your negotiations, be persistent, they will try to batter you down. Get your p/x value sorted first before talking discounts and know what a "fair" price for it should be with a Glass' valuation (there's a free valuation on the Vauxhall website, but you might get pestered by people wanting to sell you a Vauxhall as a result). No point getting a great discount on the new one if you're getting robbbed on the old one. If you are getting options you're in a better position for discount - not many people here have gotten good % discounts on a vanilla spec GTI/GTD, the fully loaded ones seem to have far more scope for a potential 10% discount.
Some dealerships just won't give a discount out of principle, especially if they've been selling a few without discount already. If that's the case then you are both wasting your time - walk away.
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Cheers for the info guys. I was about to order an A3 1.4, as a sensible car, but I went on a track day just before in a R35 GTR and I remembered how fun driving could be, and I started thinking about the golf again.
I shall see what the dealer can do, I have a figure in my head, if he can get close then I'll take him up on the offer, if not it's DTD for me. I WILL order something by the end of the month.
Depressingly...I had to get to 40 before I could enjoy all this. Sigh.
In your negotiations, be persistent, they will try to batter you down. Get your p/x value sorted first before talking discounts and know what a "fair" price for it should be with a Glass' valuation (there's a free valuation on the Vauxhall website, but you might get pestered by people wanting to sell you a Vauxhall as a result). No point getting a great discount on the new one if you're getting robbbed on the old one. If you are getting options you're in a better position for discount - not many people here have gotten good % discounts on a vanilla spec GTI/GTD, the fully loaded ones seem to have far more scope for a potential 10% discount.
Some dealerships just won't give a discount out of principle, especially if they've been selling a few without discount already. If that's the case then you are both wasting your time - walk away.
I would also recommend ensuring they fix the quote on your part exchange price, instead of waiting until you take delivery and valuating it then. It will be a long wait for you like the rest of us, and your car will depreciate in the mean time. Also When I ordered my car I got a Glass's valuation and Parkers. I know Glass is what dealers use for valutions but Parkers was £1K more and I managed to use it to push the p/x quote up further.
Also I completely agree with the comment on playing two dealers off against each other. I went to one and they said no discount. So I went to another and said I had been to other dealers and asked what they could offer on the price. I managed to get discount. Dealers will try to play you off with the we don't give discount ploy until you start suggesting you will go elsewhere where someone will give it to you. Part of the fun of buying a car is making the sales staff sweat for the likely of getting your order.
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Totally agree with you
One dealer I spoke to said we don't need to discount and by lunchtime I was up to 2k off because I told him another dealer already offered that.
Then in the end he pissed me off by saying he wasn't going to get involved in an auction ! I said to him isn't that your job to sell me a car !?
So when I got the most I could out of him I took the email to a much better dealer and they matched the overall deal. Thanks very much.
This first dealer I had bought 2 cars from previously and was affronted by their poor service. He wanted me to drive 50 miles so they could look again at my 9 year old bmw despite the fact it was there when I had a test drive..and nobody looked at it.. Then he basically said they should get my business because they gave me a test drive.. Until I pointed out the other dealer threw me the keys and said take it all afternoon compared to the 20 mins I got..
When you experience that service they don't deserve your money so shop around and enjoy the haggling experience.. Nothing worse than ordering a new car then feeling you didn't get a good deal..
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I had a strange grovelling email today from Audi, after I emailed saying the a3 was on hold whilst I explored other options. They apologised for not getting back to me when they said they would, and the sales manager was hungry for sales, what could they possibly do. I just said to wait whilst I thought about it.
Incidentally, Audi sales are the worst I've ever dealt with, I've had cause to complain to managers of 2 sales staff..no response. So I complained to audi uk.. nothing. I've never come across such a rude and aloof bunch before.
I'm just thinking now about the performance pack, it's no different on insurance, and the ACC. Is it worth it, or will I only get the enjoyment on track?
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Drisser I am from maidenhead too
Who did you order from in the end?
Windrush or Citygate? (As a guess...) :cool:
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mistertee, IMO the PP is a no brainer. Have a read through the reviews thread and most reviewers will agree.
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I'm just thinking now about the performance pack, it's no different on insurance, and the ACC. Is it worth it, or will I only get the enjoyment on track?
Depends how you drive I guess! How fast do you push it round corners? To be honest I doubt you'll see the benefit. £980 is a lot so how many corners, and how much better do those corners have to be, before you got your money's worth?
Having reached the above conclusion I spec'd it. :evil: Might help with traction in the ice I suppose.
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Depends how you drive I guess! How fast do you push it round corners? To be honest I doubt you'll see the benefit. £980 is a lot so how many corners, and how much better do those corners have to be, before you got your money's worth?
Having reached the above conclusion I spec'd it. :evil: Might help with traction in the ice I suppose.
Sounds like someone's having second thoughts :wink:
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I'm just thinking now about the performance pack, it's no different on insurance, and the ACC. Is it worth it, or will I only get the enjoyment on track?
Depends how you drive I guess! How fast do you push it round corners? To be honest I doubt you'll see the benefit. £980 is a lot so how many corners, and how much better do those corners have to be, before you got your money's worth?
Having reached the above conclusion I spec'd it. :evil: Might help with traction in the ice I suppose.
Ha ha I had the same conversation with my mate. We weighed up the pros and cons, worked out the mileage I did, the cost against this..then decided it would just be cool to get it.
PP done. Anyone getting ACC?
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Drisser I am from maidenhead too
Who did you order from in the end?
Windrush or Citygate? (As a guess...) :cool:
Actually neither ! I did pop into wind rush but wasn't impressed with their service to be honest and they offered 1500 off plus 2750 for my bmw, no offer of a test drive..I ended up with more than a grand better overall deal from the one I ordered from.
I ordered from northgate vw in Bury st edmunds up in Suffolk ( gf lives that way) and they were really good, they offered an extended test drive min 3 hours on my own and were great to negotiate with, when I Took in the email with my best deal, they matched it and threw in a tank of fuel.
I liked the guy I dealt with too, he was honest but not pushy, knew they had a good product but fully appreciated is job was to sell me a car at the right price, and he didn't try too hard to flog me tyre insurance, gap insurance etc etc.
Where did you order from ?
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I had a strange grovelling email today from Audi, after I emailed saying the a3 was on hold whilst I explored other options. They apologised for not getting back to me when they said they would, and the sales manager was hungry for sales, what could they possibly do. I just said to wait whilst I thought about it.
Incidentally, Audi sales are the worst I've ever dealt with, I've had cause to complain to managers of 2 sales staff..no response. So I complained to audi uk.. nothing. I've never come across such a rude and aloof bunch before.
I'm just thinking now about the performance pack, it's no different on insurance, and the ACC. Is it worth it, or will I only get the enjoyment on track?
My view of Audi has gone very down hill since 6 years ago when I had a TT. I made a call to Cambridge Audi a few weeks ago to enquire about the S3 and was treated to 8 mins of bull on the phone about how great it is, how amazing it is, how they would love to get me into the showroom etc. then when I finally shut him up he said he wouldn't have a demo car until November !
Then for the next 3 days I received 3 phone calls from Audi customer service asking how was my experience etc etc and I explained to them it was shocking and I only made one phonecall so why are they harassing me..
Audi dealers ( and some but not all ) of their drivers appeared to have developed an arrogance way above their station..
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I was in the exact same position as you mate, looking at specced up audi a3s but then i thought to myself all i have ever wanted is a gti though i never thought i could afford one.
Decided to go to a dealer and was surprised by the monthly payments. Test drove one 2days later and immediately ordered one.
Im 25 and i probably cant afford it but i just thought 'go for it'. :laugh:
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I was in the exact same position as you mate, looking at specced up audi a3s but then i thought to myself all i have ever wanted is a gti though i never thought i could afford one.
Decided to go to a dealer and was surprised by the monthly payments. Test drove one 2days later and immediately ordered one.
Im 25 and i probably cant afford it but i just thought 'go for it'. :laugh:
I noticed someone was looking at a demo m135 because the wait for their gti was taking too long. I think the residuals on that car are going to tumble fast.. On the bmw website, I checked the finance for. 3k mile car costing 29k, and the GFV after 3 years was around 12k.. That compares to my GTi I ordered net price about 26.5k and GFV after 3 years of 13.8k..
Granted the bmw was not quite brand new but if they are forecasting those residuals, its for a reason. The monthly payment with same deposit was 450 v 298 for the Golf !
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I had a strange grovelling email today from Audi, after I emailed saying the a3 was on hold whilst I explored other options. They apologised for not getting back to me when they said they would, and the sales manager was hungry for sales, what could they possibly do. I just said to wait whilst I thought about it.
Incidentally, Audi sales are the worst I've ever dealt with, I've had cause to complain to managers of 2 sales staff..no response. So I complained to audi uk.. nothing. I've never come across such a rude and aloof bunch before.
I'm just thinking now about the performance pack, it's no different on insurance, and the ACC. Is it worth it, or will I only get the enjoyment on track?
My view of Audi has gone very down hill since 6 years ago when I had a TT. I made a call to Cambridge Audi a few weeks ago to enquire about the S3 and was treated to 8 mins of bull on the phone about how great it is, how amazing it is, how they would love to get me into the showroom etc. then when I finally shut him up he said he wouldn't have a demo car until November !
Then for the next 3 days I received 3 phone calls from Audi customer service asking how was my experience etc etc and I explained to them it was shocking and I only made one phonecall so why are they harassing me..
Audi dealers ( and some but not all ) of their drivers appeared to have developed an arrogance way above their station..
Yes they are arrogant, even more than bmw dealers and drivers now.
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I currently have a 330 ci :rolleyes: but it is petrol and a coupe, in imola red, with manual box !
Joking aside bmw dealers in my experience are way better than Audi, and I think their cars are much more fun to drive, as well made and now more understated / cool.
I would have considered the m135 a lot more if it was better looking but it's just too ugly to spend 30k on !
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BMW are offering some crazy discounts at the moment, plus big dealer deposits. Clearly sales are down so it's a good time to buy one.
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I currently have a 330 ci :rolleyes: but it is petrol and a coupe, in imola red, with manual box !
Joking aside bmw dealers in my experience are way better than Audi, and I think their cars are much more fun to drive, as well made and now more understated / cool.
I would have considered the m135 a lot more if it was better looking but it's just too ugly to spend 30k on !
Completely agree. I can't believe it doesn't get slated more for its looks. BMW have made a great car but it ain't half fugly!!
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I currently have a 330 ci :rolleyes: but it is petrol and a coupe, in imola red, with manual box !
Joking aside bmw dealers in my experience are way better than Audi, and I think their cars are much more fun to drive, as well made and now more understated / cool.
I would have considered the m135 a lot more if it was better looking but it's just too ugly to spend 30k on !
Completely agree. I can't believe it doesn't get slated more for its looks. BMW have made a great car but it ain't half fugly!!
Frankly I just wanted a GTI. Next time around I'll look at the 2 series or something, see if they can get a good looking performance car for the right amount of money...
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I currently have a 330 ci :rolleyes: but it is petrol and a coupe, in imola red, with manual box !
Joking aside bmw dealers in my experience are way better than Audi, and I think their cars are much more fun to drive, as well made and now more understated / cool.
I would have considered the m135 a lot more if it was better looking but it's just too ugly to spend 30k on !
Quote from Bill...the man who never sleeps I reckon :wink:, good on ya Bill :smiley:
Completely agree. I can't believe it doesn't get slated more for its looks. BMW have made a great car but it ain't half fugly!!
Frankly I just wanted a GTI. Next time around I'll look at the 2 series or something, see if they can get a good looking performance car for the right amount of money...
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Had a chat with the dealership today, he didn't come close to the DTD price but he said if that deal didn't go through he could give me a 10% discount at most. Pity as I thought he was one of the best salesman I've dealt with and I wouldn't have minded giving him the business.
So after umming and arring and messing with the options, I've pretty much chosen everything :evil: Gold GTI with Carbon Grey paint, PP and ACC.
This really is my dream car, thanks everyone for pushing me towards it! Much better than the A3. I shall update the "ordered" topic once my build date comes through.
Cheers guys :)
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10% is still fantastic!!!!!! Most I went to had a small allocation and wouldn't even consider ANY discount!! Eventually I hind a nice dealer who gave me around 7% off.
I'd bite his hand off for 10%
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DTD works out around 14%, for that I don't mind driving miles to pick it up.
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Quote from Bill...the man who never sleeps I reckon :wink:
I don't need it. :cool: (I wish)
DTD works out around 14%, for that I don't mind driving miles to pick it up.
14!!?!?! Woah. :shocked:
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When I ordered it was 11 from DTD, that's another 400 squid off....
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Someone check my maths then.. :laugh:
Dealer price : £28805.00
DTD : 25328.25
Difference = £3477.
Percentage = 3477 / 25328.25 = 0.138
Which is about 14%??
Hold on, no it's 3477 / 28805 = 0.121
About 12% then.
Still not bad.
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Someone check my maths then.. :laugh:
Dealer price : £28805.00
DTD : 25328.25
Difference = £3477.
Percentage = 3477 / 25328.25 = 0.138
Which is about 14%??
Hold on, no it's 3477 / 28805 = 0.121
About 12% then.
Still not bad.
You are correct but try this: http://www.percentagecalculator.net
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Ok here goes - standard car RRP
£25845 - DTD price £22961 = Difference £2884 x 100 / 25845 = 11.16%
Great saving. Savings were also the same on the options prices, had I chosen to order any.
So mistertee how far away from you has the dealer turned out to be? Maybe I was lucky but mine is only 8 miles away...
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Savings were also the same on the options prices, had I chosen to order any.
This is why I should have gone for DTD. I used carbuzz, which was simple and effective and netted me about 9% discount... but not on any options. I added quite a few options so this could have been a big deal.
Well, live and learn.
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I'm trying to do more mental arithmetic and working on paper these days. Keep my mind active :smiley:
I haven't placed the order yet, I was about to click on "order", but I'm having a crisis about the colour
Matt Black - looks ok, but as a detailer, I'd like to get a deeper shine.
Pearl Black - nice! But I'm not sure how different it is to Matt Black, difficult to judge from photo's
Carbon Grey - Makes the car look like a robot gundam.
I've set myself a deadline of Wednesday, only been waiting 15 years! From the looks of the build times, It'll be another 15 years before I get it. :sad:
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I'm trying to do more mental arithmetic and working on paper these days. Keep my mind active :smiley:
I haven't placed the order yet, I was about to click on "order", but I'm having a crisis about the colour
Matt Black - looks ok, but as a detailer, I'd like to get a deeper shine.
Pearl Black - nice! But I'm not sure how different it is to Matt Black, difficult to judge from photo's
Carbon Grey - Makes the car look like a robot gundam.
I've set myself a deadline of Wednesday, only been waiting 15 years! From the looks of the build times, It'll be another 15 years before I get it. :sad:
Carbon Grey - There's enough black/silver cars on the road already.
+ I'm a little biased :laugh:
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You know you want white. :whistle:
But seriously, of the 3 you listed its CSG you want.
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I'm trying to do more mental arithmetic and working on paper these days. Keep my mind active :smiley:
I haven't placed the order yet, I was about to click on "order", but I'm having a crisis about the colour
Matt Black - looks ok, but as a detailer, I'd like to get a deeper shine.
Pearl Black - nice! But I'm not sure how different it is to Matt Black, difficult to judge from photo's
Carbon Grey - Makes the car look like a robot gundam.
I've set myself a deadline of Wednesday, only been waiting 15 years! From the looks of the build times, It'll be another 15 years before I get it. :sad:
Not sure if it was just me, but i'm sure my dad's DBP wasn't half as sparkly as my old 55 plate MK5 GT 140TDI, or the 03 Polo GT that I had before it. Very shint but not very sparkly. Are they cutting back on the Mica? :whistle:
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I'm trying to do more mental arithmetic and working on paper these days. Keep my mind active :smiley:
I haven't placed the order yet, I was about to click on "order", but I'm having a crisis about the colour
Matt Black - looks ok, but as a detailer, I'd like to get a deeper shine.
Pearl Black - nice! But I'm not sure how different it is to Matt Black, difficult to judge from photo's
Carbon Grey - Makes the car look like a robot gundam.
I've set myself a deadline of Wednesday, only been waiting 15 years! From the looks of the build times, It'll be another 15 years before I get it. :sad:
Flat black is a deeper black than pearl but it's a bugger to keep clean. I would go for pearl if you were going for black
I would have probably went with DTD if I hadn't had a p/x. Always concerned that you might not be able to sell it privately
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Anything will sell for the right price! Never sold a car privately before, but my mayes have and it's always gone smoothly.
I've always thought golfs should be a dark colour. Remember that advert from years ago where they had a beatle race and the beatle (insect) won thanks to vr6 stamped on the back? Always thought of them as beatles scuttling around since.
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Anything will sell for the right price! Never sold a car privately before, but my mayes have and it's always gone smoothly.
I've always thought golfs should be a dark colour. Remember that advert from years ago where they had a beatle race and the beatle (insect) won thanks to vr6 stamped on the back? Always thought of them as beatles scuttling around since.
Yip, I know what you mean. I always thought a GTI should be black but with my last 3 cars being black i thought it was time for a change and I was fed up of trying to keep it clean all the time
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Wow! You can find anything on the internet these days..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keEN2tJ-v_o
Black cars are hard to keep clean, but I don't mind it :)
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Order confirmed, I live in Manchester. Drivethedeal got me a dealer in Kent, so it's a fair way to go...but a good distance to come back. :evil: