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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Snoopy on 02 July 2013, 19:32
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Thought these graphs may interest members here.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/1011265_10151456729400756_495719938_n.jpg)
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_Any
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Forgive my (potential) newbie-ness but how reputable are this company and their quoted figures?
184-215 bhp
380-450 torque
Seems very good gains!
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Thought these graphs may interest members here.
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_Any
Hey Snoop... interesting, but what about figures for DSG peeps?
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Thought these graphs may interest members here.
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_Any
Hey Snoop... interesting, but what about figures for DSG peeps?
Why would DSG have an effect on power and torque outputs?
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supposedly maximum torque figures that the dsg box can handle.
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supposedly maximum torque figures that the dsg box can handle.
Ahh ok, you would think they would cope this percentage of gain though?
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only one way to find out :grin: :grin:
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only one way to find out :grin: :grin:
True, prolly fail for the second owner a few years later anyway :grin:
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supposedly maximum torque figures that the dsg box can handle.
Exactly :wink:
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supposedly maximum torque figures that the dsg box can handle.
Exactly :wink:
There was also whispers that the LSD could only handle up to 250hp
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No point asking me about the kits I have nothing to do with the company so dont have a clue. I just noticed the graph posted on their facebook site and thought of all the resent talk of vw underrated power and torque and power delivery etc etc the power graphs maybe interesting for some of the members here.
I dont know how I would be on inviting them over here as their not a forum sponsor.
I only posted it as I thought the graphs may interest some.
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I'm sure juicy detailing in Consett are a UK distributor for these.
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_Any
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I'm sure juicy detailing in Consett are a UK distributor for these.
DTUK and juicy detailing are the same family. I think each has its own induatrial unit.
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yes next door to each other.
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I went to school with the MD and lived in the same village as him. Not spoken to Andrew in person for probably 20 years now though.
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Is it not about time you got in touch hehe :laugh:
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I went to school with the MD and lived in the same village as him. Not spoken to Andrew in person for probably 20 years now though.
You didn't bully him at school did you? :tongue:
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Good afternoon guys :)
iM Andrew (DTUK MD) and wondered who id need to speak to regarding commercial posting on site?
Thanks to Snoopy (not sure who it is?? is it geoff?) for posting the graph relating to the tuning system thats now available for the new golf gti :)
Cheers
Andrew
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Good afternoon guys :)
iM Andrew (DTUK MD) and wondered who id need to speak to regarding commercial posting on site?
Thanks to Snoopy (not sure who it is?? is it geoff?) for posting the graph relating to the tuning system thats now available for the new golf gti :)
Cheers
Andrew
JV is the admin but I think you need 10 posts to send a PM.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=291
Do you have that graph but in English? :tongue:
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Good afternoon guys :)
iM Andrew (DTUK MD) and wondered who id need to speak to regarding commercial posting on site?
Thanks to Snoopy (not sure who it is?? is it geoff?) for posting the graph relating to the tuning system thats now available for the new golf gti :)
Cheers
Andrew
Welcome Andrew :smiley:
You need to speak to The Doc or Jimble (see their links at bottom).
I'd like to know what the torque limit is for the DSG transmission with one of your boxes?
Cheers
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We received the info from Germany yesterday, so added it to our website and facebook pages.
I'll have a word with the Admin, as the last thing i want to do is fall foul of forum rules.
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I have to admit, Andrew from DTUK and Jen from Juicy detailing are great to deal with. I have never bought anything from DTUK but spoke to Andrew regarding cleaning gear and bought plenty from Jen.
Would be good to have them both along :)
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Jen knows her stuff, ill give her that :) :laugh:
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I'm quite intrigued by this system and would be very curious on what parameters the box changes.
It's all obviously done within safe parameters as the gains are much lower than some of the ECU remaps (but conversely not so powerful that you'd have clutch or traction issues) and an interesting development on the Tuning Box theme.
I originally trained as an electronics engineer many many many many years ago and have had a loooooong history of tuning VWs since back in the 80s with gas flowing cylinder heads, camshaft changes, exhaust and manifold swaps plus suspension and wheel upgrades on my mk1 GTI that I had at the time. To get an extra 30 bhp you'd have to spend nearly a grand minimum in those days (which would equate to a hell of a lot more now) and yet with the turbo cars you expect 50bhp or so for less than £500 these days!
Obviously when you've been doing this stuff all your adult life you explore other options at some point and about 15 years ago when the original Tuning Boxes were coming in from the continent as the TDI revolution was getting going I moved onto tuning Diesels for a few years. Taking the original GTI type ethos it was quite good fun - choose the lightest chassis the TDI engine was fitted to (at that time the Ibiza), add the power upgrade and source bits that would make the car stop and handle better which was quite handy as SEAT made some very competent quick petrol models that people would buy and then upgrade when they were brand new so cheap genuine brakes and wheels plus aftermarket suspension brought in from the continent where it was much cheaper.
Not super-quick on a drag strip but devastatingly quick on the open road using the massive torque. Not very refined either! But it was all fun and I was much younger then!
I had a lot of dealings with some of the big Diesel tuning names of the day and spent a bit of time with one of my cars strapped to Van Aaken's rolling road to explore various things and that car ended up with a tuning box plus an ECU remap and bigger injectors too!! Very quick - but ended up crap on fuel (obviously, when you explore the basics of Diesel tuning) so I went back to petrols once the 1.8T's had dropped in prices a bit.
Anyway, now I'm older and my kids are nearly grown up I buy newer cars and don't mess about with them too much due to warranties and the fact that the modern GTIs handle so much better out of the box.
But I've still remapped a good few cars and have long been of the belief that now the ECUs are being encrypted much more that the piggy back tuning systems would make a comeback.
I'm well aware of the pros and cons of both systems (OBD mapping and plug-ins) and the Abt and DTUK boxes fascinate me.
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Good afternoon guys :)
iM Andrew (DTUK MD) and wondered who id need to speak to regarding commercial posting on site?
Thanks to Snoopy (not sure who it is?? is it geoff?) for posting the graph relating to the tuning system thats now available for the new golf gti :)
Cheers
Andrew
Welcome Andrew.
You guessed correct.
Contact JV on here for more info.
(I sent him a message for you)
Geoff.
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as were now a trader i have listed some details of the offers we're going to be offering to GolfGTI members.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=256415.0
Cheers
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Hi Andrew
Your product seems great! And once bedded in, i fully intend to unleash some of the tamed horses in my GTD :smiley:
Until now i hadn't heard of a tuning box that could affect turbo boost (hope I got that right?)
Could you please let me know how your product compares and differs to this one? The figures themselves seem really impressive and at 239ps and 494nm, are marginally higher than those advertised for the crd-t system on your website but I'm assuming there's more to it!
http://www.tdi-tuning.co.uk/car_and_van_diesel_tuning_boxes/volkswagen/golf/20_gttd_181bhp__184_ps__135_kw/crtd2_diesel_tuning_box_volkswagen_golf_20_gttd_181bhp_184_ps_135_kw_P6199.html
Thanks
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the system youre referring to only connects to the common rail, i would ask the above company for rolling road graphs to back up their claims as the figures youve mentioned are a load of :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
Weve dyno'd our own 170bhp TTTDI and that produced 220bhp, so at a push i think you could see 230bhp from the 184ps.
oUR crd-t connects to the common rail plus boost sensors.
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Thanks Andrew
I'll do that!
What does the crdt unit actually do with its connection to the boost sensors? Does it increase boost this way?
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Yes, it increases boost pressure and well as fuel pressure :)
take a look at this thread on audi sport
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/tuning/194059-dtuk-dte-crd-t-multi-channel-tuning-system.html
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Has anyone had any experience with these boxes on the new GTI? I'm interested in trying it out, but obviously concerned about whether it can damage my engine etc.
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I am very interested too. Andrew@DTUK, since these are so new for the new GTI would it be possible to organise some kind of demo box? Pay 500 squids get the box, return it get 450 squids back. That one box could be sent to and from interested folks and if they like it they can order a fresh one (or keep it if they aren't fussed).
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^ditto for the GTD, Andrew if hobo's suggestion works for you :smiley:
I'm happy for mine to be a rolling road subject too if that's of any interest.
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I've known Andrew (via another forum) and known of his company (and it's customer service) for a good few years now and I would be pretty sure that anything he sells via his business has been thoroughly tested before going to market. I very much doubt that there is anything on these boxes for the GTI that will cause any problems - so much so, I hope to get one myself as and when I get a Mk7 GTI!!
Genuinely don't worry folks, DTUK have been doing this for years and all I've ever heard is good things.
No connection with Andrew or DTUK apart from the above, promise!!
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Andrew@DTUK: Any chance of a trial go with one of these if we're local to you? Could you make a demo available to borrow for a day (by all means charge my card as security) then swap out for a new one if we're satisfied? I'd probably be waiting for the car to run in a little, say 2k miles, but very interested.
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I am in no doubt of the quality of the product. I just want to see/feel what the effect is for myself.
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I confess I don't know too much about these things but am very interested. Does the box leave any sort of imprint on the ECU that could invalidate your warranty. I know all remaps will show up on any diagnostic carried out, just curious as to wether it's the same for tuning boxes.
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I confess I don't know too much about these things but am very interested. Does the box leave any sort of imprint on the ECU that could invalidate your warranty. I know all remaps will show up on any diagnostic carried out, just curious as to wether it's the same for tuning boxes.
Pretty sure they don't. The ECU tells the injectors and turbo what to do with the wiring harnesses and these boxes fit between the harnesses and alter that message en-route. Main advantage of these over true chipping is that everything is fully reversible just by unplugging it, leaving no trace.
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I confess I don't know too much about these things but am very interested. Does the box leave any sort of imprint on the ECU that could invalidate your warranty. I know all remaps will show up on any diagnostic carried out, just curious as to wether it's the same for tuning boxes.
Pretty sure they don't. The ECU tells the injectors and turbo what to do with the wiring harnesses and these boxes fit between the harnesses and alter that message en-route. Main advantage of these over true chipping is that everything is fully reversible just by unplugging it, leaving no trace.
That's good to know. That would be the only worry I would have to be honest. The increased output would make it the car it should have been in the first place
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Hi Guys.....
Just for info TMC also have a plug in option.....TMC have a great rep with the Audi guys
http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/TuningBoxDetails.aspx?s=4011722494 (http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/TuningBoxDetails.aspx?s=4011722494)
I have no connection with TMC but I did get the installation manual in PDF form...ill post it if I can figure out how to do it.
Ken
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My biggest worry with tuning boxes upping the torque considerably is that it might cause harm to the 6 speed DSG box. Are these built to handle more torue now considering the GTI and GTD are both up on torque compared to MK6?
I'm sure I read somewhere that 6 speed wet box DSG was meant to handle max 400Nm.
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If you're gonna do it, wait for the Revo chip...
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If you're gonna do it, wait for the Revo chip...
or APR :smiley:
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If you're gonna do it, wait for the Revo chip...
Unless you want to remain untraceable for warranty reasons.
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Has anyone got any facts as to what the DSG box is actually limited to torque wise? That's gonna make tuning really irritating.
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Has anyone got any facts as to what the DSG box is actually limited to torque wise? That's gonna make tuning really irritating.
I would not worry about the dsg box. It can handle more power easily. It is the same box that is in the new r as well. I have bought the tmc tuning box for new gti I am picking up on Monday. I have remapped all my gti's and ed30 and they were all dsg and I booted the arse well and truly out of them all and never had any problems with the dsg box.
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
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My dad used a TDI-tuning.co.uk tuning box for his 170TDI MK5 Golf DSG for 3 years without issue, taking it up to 200PS and putting the economy up by about 10%. Their new box for the GTD seems too good to be true - 239PS/495Nm. Looks to be kicking out a lot more than most of the competition, on paper at least.
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That TMC box churns out a much bigger increase than the DTUK. If its correct that is pretty impressive! Are you going to dyno yours John ?
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How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I think you'd be crazy not to. Imagine an accident even a wee bump and you couldn't get the bonnet up to remove it!!
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
I am looking forward to seeing the results John. Most likely something i will be interested in! How much did it set you back?
J
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
I am looking forward to seeing the results John. Most likely something i will be interested in! How much did it set you back?
J
Yes J it sounds good and I would prefer it as it saves any problems with warranty. I bought one for my polo diesel and it made a great difference that I use for my work. He gave me 10% discount because I bought from him before. It was £440. So going down to London on Sunday to pick the car up. Bought it through dtd.
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
I am looking forward to seeing the results John. Most likely something i will be interested in! How much did it set you back?
J
Yes J it sounds good and I would prefer it as it saves any problems with warranty. I bought one for my polo diesel and it made a great difference that I use for my work. He gave me 10% discount because I bought from him before. It was £440. So going down to London on Sunday to pick the car up. Bought it through dtd.
Sounds great John. Really looking forward to seeing your results now! I am only 500 miles in but you know what it's like, you always want more power!
How is your exhaust sounding? I think mines a little quiet, the edition 35 seems much louder.
J
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and
get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
I am looking forward to seeing the results John. Most likely something i will be interested in! How much did it set you back?
J
Yes J it sounds good and I would prefer it as it saves any problems with warranty. I bought one for my polo diesel and it made a great difference that I use for my work. He gave me 10% discount because I bought from him before. It was £440. So going down to London on Sunday to pick the car up. Bought it through dtd.
Sounds great John. Really looking forward to seeing your results now! I am only 500 miles in but you know what it's like, you always want more power!
How is your exhaust sounding? I think mines a little quiet, the edition 35 seems much louder.
J
I hope it's not louder lol. I will tell you on Monday when I get it as to how it compares to ed35 lol. Yes you can never get enough power lol. I just felt that the dtuk box is just not enough power for me that's why I went for this box. I had a mark 6 gti and it was remapped and was really sh!t compared to the ed35. I hated the new e888 engine it was crap for tuning. So I am glad they have redone it for the mark 7 for more tuning lol.
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and
get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
I am looking forward to seeing the results John. Most likely something i will be interested in! How much did it set you back?
J
Yes J it sounds good and I would prefer it as it saves any problems with warranty. I bought one for my polo diesel and it made a great difference that I use for my work. He gave me 10% discount because I bought from him before. It was £440. So going down to London on Sunday to pick the car up. Bought it through dtd.
Sounds great John. Really looking forward to seeing your results now! I am only 500 miles in but you know what it's like, you always want more power!
How is your exhaust sounding? I think mines a little quiet, the edition 35 seems much louder.
J
I hope it's not louder lol. I will tell you on Monday when I get it as to how it compares to ed35 lol. Yes you can never get enough power lol. I just felt that the dtuk box is just not enough power for me that's why I went for this box. I had a mark 6 gti and it was remapped and was really sh!t compared to the ed35. I hated the new e888 engine it was crap for tuning. So I am glad they have redone it for the mark 7 for more tuning lol.
I just feel the GTI should be a little louder as standard. The ed35 definitely has a deeper exhaust note. Hmmm mid box delete maybe... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
J
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You got me worried now J lol. Will need to leave the windows open. I loved my r32 it was an amazing sound and you just can't get that out of a gti lol :sad:
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You got me worried now J lol. Will need to leave the windows open. I loved my r32 it was an amazing sound and you just can't get that out of a gti lol :sad:
There's nothing like that v6 motor! I have been told the mk7 gti sounds good from the outside, but on the inside all you can hear is induction/sound actuator noise. (not that it's a bad sound :wink: )
J
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You got me worried now J lol. Will need to leave the windows open. I loved my r32 it was an amazing sound and you just can't get that out of a gti lol :sad:
There's nothing like that v6 motor! I have been told the mk7 gti sounds good from the outside, but on the inside all you can hear is induction/sound actuator noise. (not that it's a bad sound :wink: )
J
That's good mate :wink: well I am off to catch a flight, I am in Florida now and flying back to Manchester tonight. Then down to London Tom and pick my car up early Monday morning so I will let you know how I get on J cheers.
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You got me worried now J lol. Will need to leave the windows open. I loved my r32 it was an amazing sound and you just can't get that out of a gti lol :sad:
There's nothing like that v6 motor! I have been told the mk7 gti sounds good from the outside, but on the inside all you can hear is induction/sound actuator noise. (not that it's a bad sound :wink: )
J
That's good mate :wink: well I am off to catch a flight, I am in Florida now and flying back to Manchester tonight. Then down to London Tom and pick my car up early Monday morning so I will let you know how I get on J cheers.
Have a safe flight John. Have fun when when you get home :smiley: :smiley:
J
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You got me worried now J lol. Will need to leave the windows open. I loved my r32 it was an amazing sound and you just can't get that out of a gti lol :sad:
There's nothing like that v6 motor! I have been told the mk7 gti sounds good from the outside, but on the inside all you can hear is induction/sound actuator noise. (not that it's a bad sound :wink: )
J
That's good mate :wink: well I am off to catch a flight, I am in Florida now and flying back to Manchester tonight. Then down to London Tom and pick my car up early Monday morning so I will let you know how I get on J cheers.
Have a safe flight John. Have fun when when you get home :smiley: :smiley:
J
Ok mate thanks :smiley:
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I'd also be keen to hear how you get on :cool:
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I'd also be keen to hear how you get on :cool:
Yeah will do mate I just picked my car up from London. Needs a new alloy it has a small chip,out of the wheel. How did that happen on a brand new car?. I had to point it out to them. They are going to order a new alloy. I should get the box for end of week I hope and then try it out.
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Hi guys just to let you know I just fitted the tuning box from tmcmotorsport to my gti pp230. Results are phenomenal. I picked it up on Monday and being honest it was sh!t slow compared to my remapped ed35 and was a big bit disappointed. This is a different car the torque is just amazing it feels faster than ed35.
And the noise is far better it is just amazing :smiley: :smiley:
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That sounds fantastic John. Did you order through DTD? Where in Scotland are you? I think I'm going to have to make the same trip too. Glad to hear the box does a good job of it! You wil have to get a 0-60 time for us!
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
Hi mate yes they are crap and don't have a microprocessor in them. This box connects to 4 different parts of the system and do a lot more on the gti box. I was skeptical, I bought one for a polo diesel which just does the airflow meter but to be fair works great. I am a driving instructor so I use it everyday and has been great.
I have had 6 gti's all remapped, and this box is as good as a remapp and saves a whole lot of hassle with any warranty problems. :smiley:
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That sounds fantastic John. Did you order through DTD? Where in Scotland are you? I think I'm going to have to make the same trip too. Glad to hear the box does a good job of it! You wil have to get a 0-60 time for us!
Yes mate I did order it through dtd. You are better going down because they would have tried to fob me off with that chip on my wheel. Yes I will mate, it is honestly superb. My girlfriend uses it for work and she didn't find it that fast compared to last car. But she does now lol
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
Hi mate yes they are crap and don't have a microprocessor in them. This box connects to 4 different parts of the system and do a lot more on the gti box. I was skeptical, I bought one for a polo diesel which just does the airflow meter but to be fair works great. I am a driving instructor so I use it everyday and has been great.
I have had 6 gti's all remapped, and this box is as good as a remapp and saves a whole lot of hassle with any warranty problems. :smiley:
Sweet! No issues with flooding the engine or anything like that with your last cars?
Also - you teach people in a GTI!? :laugh:
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
did you not want to go for another celtic tuning map rather than the tuning box :smiley:
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So some sort of plug in option sounds like a winner.....Id still like to see some "real" data on a members car rather than company claims. To be fair we had a plug in box on a R56 Mini Cooper S and it worked very well with zero problems for 3 years.
I spoke to Revo at length whilst at Edition 38 and although they are in final testing stages of development for the MK7 GTI it will be 100% ECU out and opened up to remove the tuning protection, then it can be mapped through the OBD port. The choice then is to either leave the anti tune off (which is detectable by the dealer) but will allow further OBD tuning if wanted or reactivate the anti tune and lock the ECU again.
Either way the ECU casing will need to be opened up....myself im not to keen on that...so guess the plug in option is going to be my choice aswell.
Ian
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
Hi mate yes they are crap and don't have a microprocessor in them. This box connects to 4 different parts of the system and do a lot more on the gti box. I was skeptical, I bought one for a polo diesel which just does the airflow meter but to be fair works great. I am a driving instructor so I use it everyday and has been great.
I have had 6 gti's all remapped, and this box is as good as a remapp and saves a whole lot of hassle with any warranty problems. :smiley:
Sweet! No issues with flooding the engine or anything like that with your last cars?
Also - you teach people in a GTI!? :laugh:
Lol no gti for my pupils a polo is fast enough hehe. Never had any problems with any remaps and had 10 done with celtic tuning. I have done 12000miles with tuning box in polo and it is fine as we'll.
Celtic tuning don't have a map out for it yet Barry. I just thought I would try the tmc box as they were giving you a 30 day money back guarantee so I felt there was nothing to lose. I can get a discount if anyone is interested.
To be honest I was sick of tired of having to put the car in and them taking the ecu out and back in and I had my map scrubbed once when I put it in for a service.
This took me 25min and it feels as fast as my ed30 after remap, probably faster actually with torque. It really did feel slow when I drove it up from London.
And it can be reprogrammed for your next car. And when i get it serviced i just take it out which is great. So money well spent :smiley: :smiley:
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
Hi mate yes they are crap and don't have a microprocessor in them. This box connects to 4 different parts of the system and do a lot more on the gti box. I was skeptical, I bought one for a polo diesel which just does the airflow meter but to be fair works great. I am a driving instructor so I use it everyday and has been great.
I have had 6 gti's all remapped, and this box is as good as a remapp and saves a whole lot of hassle with any warranty problems. :smiley:
Sweet! No issues with flooding the engine or anything like that with your last cars?
Also - you teach people in a GTI!? :laugh:
Lol no gti for my pupils a polo is fast enough hehe. Never had any problems with any remaps and had 10 done with celtic tuning. I have done 12000miles with tuning box in polo and it is fine as we'll.
Celtic tuning don't have a map out for it yet Barry. I just thought I would try the tmc box as they were giving you a 30 day money back guarantee so I felt there was nothing to lose. I can get a discount if anyone is interested.
To be honest I was sick of tired of having to put the car in and them taking the ecu out and back in and I had my map scrubbed once when I put it in for a service.
This took me 25min and it feels as fast as my ed30 after remap, probably faster actually with torque. It really did feel slow when I drove it up from London.
And it can be reprogrammed for your next car. And when i get it serviced i just take it out which is great. So money well spent :smiley: :smiley:
you must be 1 of the 1st ppl thats said they felt slow,but then you did have a mapped ed30 an they can shift :smiley: much power you think the gti now has
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
Hi mate yes they are crap and don't have a microprocessor in them. This box connects to 4 different parts of the system and do a lot more on the gti box. I was skeptical, I bought one for a polo diesel which just does the airflow meter but to be fair works great. I am a driving instructor so I use it everyday and has been great.
I have had 6 gti's all remapped, and this box is as good as a remapp and saves a whole lot of hassle with any warranty problems. :smiley:
Sweet! No issues with flooding the engine or anything like that with your last cars?
Also - you teach people in a GTI!? :laugh:
Lol no gti for my pupils a polo is fast enough hehe. Never had any problems with any remaps and had 10 done with celtic tuning. I have done 12000miles with tuning box in polo and it is fine as we'll.
Celtic tuning don't have a map out for it yet Barry. I just thought I would try the tmc box as they were giving you a 30 day money back guarantee so I felt there was nothing to lose. I can get a discount if anyone is interested.
To be honest I was sick of tired of having to put the car in and them taking the ecu out and back in and I had my map scrubbed once when I put it in for a service.
This took me 25min and it feels as fast as my ed30 after remap, probably faster actually with torque. It really did feel slow when I drove it up from London.
And it can be reprogrammed for your next car. And when i get it serviced i just take it out which is great. So money well spent :smiley: :smiley:
you must be 1 of the 1st ppl thats said they felt slow,but then you did have a mapped ed30 an they can shift :smiley: much power you think the gti now has
That was the problem Barry every car I had after the ed30 felt slow it felt like a monster lol. I used to floor the ed30 at 70 and the dsg box would drop from 6th to 3rd gear and you would be at 100 in a jiff it was that fast lol.The mk6 even remapped was really sh!t. Although the ed35 was supposed to be as fast with remap it never felt as good as ed30. But going from ed35 to 230pp it felt painfully slow. I raced a sh!tty passat up my arse at 70 from London and I floored it to 100 and the response was pretty sh!t he was not that far behind me lol.
Had I done that on the ed30 I would have blown the arse of him lol.
So last night I done that after putting the tuning box in and the difference was unreal it felt like an ed30 again and mid torque it felt like a monster again.
It's a bad day when my g/f says she felt it to be very slow compared to our last car. But today she was saying she could not believe the difference. I would say Barry it must be close to 300bhp but the biggest difference is mid torque it now throws you back in the seat lol
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That was the problem Barry every car I had after the ed30 felt slow it felt like a monster lol. I used to floor the ed30 at 70 and the dsg box would drop from 6th to 3rd gear and you would be at 100 in a jiff it was that fast lol.The mk6 even remapped was really sh!t. Although the ed35 was supposed to be as fast with remap it never felt as good as ed30. But going from ed35 to 230pp it felt painfully slow. I raced a sh!tty passat up my arse at 70 from London and I floored it to 100 and the response was pretty sh!t he was not that far behind me lol.
Had I done that on the ed30 I would have blown the arse of him lol.
So last night I done that after putting the tuning box in and the difference was unreal it felt like an ed30 again and mid torque it felt like a monster again.
It's a bad day when my g/f says she felt it to be very slow compared to our last car. But today she was saying she could not believe the difference. I would say Barry it must be close to 300bhp but the biggest difference is mid torque it now throws you back in the seat lol
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my misses says that about every car since a sold her old tuned mk4 4 motion :grin: but wants a f**kin s3 again :whistle: an a bet the golf now goes the way it should have came out the factory will need to get a shot of arnold sharks demo car see if she like them
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
Hi mate yes they are crap and don't have a microprocessor in them. This box connects to 4 different parts of the system and do a lot more on the gti box. I was skeptical, I bought one for a polo diesel which just does the airflow meter but to be fair works great. I am a driving instructor so I use it everyday and has been great.
I have had 6 gti's all remapped, and this box is as good as a remapp and saves a whole lot of hassle with any warranty problems. :smiley:
Sweet! No issues with flooding the engine or anything like that with your last cars?
Also - you teach people in a GTI!? :laugh:
Lol no gti for my pupils a polo is fast enough hehe. Never had any problems with any remaps and had 10 done with celtic tuning. I have done 12000miles with tuning box in polo and it is fine as we'll.
Celtic tuning don't have a map out for it yet Barry. I just thought I would try the tmc box as they were giving you a 30 day money back guarantee so I felt there was nothing to lose. I can get a discount if anyone is interested.
To be honest I was sick of tired of having to put the car in and them taking the ecu out and back in and I had my map scrubbed once when I put it in for a service.
This took me 25min and it feels as fast as my ed30 after remap, probably faster actually with torque. It really did feel slow when I drove it up from London.
And it can be reprogrammed for your next car. And when i get it serviced i just take it out which is great. So money well spent :smiley: :smiley:
Discount you say? Any chance of a PM? Planning on ordering later tonight.
The performance gains you describe sound pretty great. What was the installation like? I'm not very engine savvy so concerned I might cock up - especially connecting the battery! Was it straight forward?
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Id be interested in abit of discount if its available...If your able to offer anything can you PM myself aswell.
Thanx
Ian
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Oh man, now I'll probably have to buy one!
So technical question! If a remap works by adjusting the ECU which changes how much petrol injected etc etc, then how does the tuning box work?
I've read that some of the cheap ebay ones basically "trick" your engine into using more petrol which can be dangerous. Does a higher quality box like this work differently?
Thanks
Hi mate yes they are crap and don't have a microprocessor in them. This box connects to 4 different parts of the system and do a lot more on the gti box. I was skeptical, I bought one for a polo diesel which just does the airflow meter but to be fair works great. I am a driving instructor so I use it everyday and has been great.
I have had 6 gti's all remapped, and this box is as good as a remapp and saves a whole lot of hassle with any warranty problems. :smiley:
Sweet! No issues with flooding the engine or anything like that with your last cars?
Also - you teach people in a GTI!? :laugh:
Lol no gti for my pupils a polo is fast enough hehe. Never had any problems with any remaps and had 10 done with celtic tuning. I have done 12000miles with tuning box in polo and it is fine as we'll.
Celtic tuning don't have a map out for it yet Barry. I just thought I would try the tmc box as they were giving you a 30 day money back guarantee so I felt there was nothing to lose. I can get a discount if anyone is interested.
To be honest I was sick of tired of having to put the car in and them taking the ecu out and back in and I had my map scrubbed once when I put it in for a service.
This took me 25min and it feels as fast as my ed30 after remap, probably faster actually with torque. It really did feel slow when I drove it up from London.
And it can be reprogrammed for your next car. And when i get it serviced i just take it out which is great. So money well spent :smiley: :smiley:
Discount you say? Any chance of a PM? Planning on ordering later tonight.
The performance gains you describe sound pretty great. What was the installation like? I'm not very engine savvy so concerned I might cock up - especially connecting the battery! Was it straight forward?
You don't need to connect it to the battery. Just make sure the car is switched off. The only problem I had was finding the boost pressure sensor pins. But I can help you there. The rest of it is pretty easy to be fair.
I will pm you with details mate
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That was the problem Barry every car I had after the ed30 felt slow it felt like a monster lol. I used to floor the ed30 at 70 and the dsg box would drop from 6th to 3rd gear and you would be at 100 in a jiff it was that fast lol.The mk6 even remapped was really sh!t. Although the ed35 was supposed to be as fast with remap it never felt as good as ed30. But going from ed35 to 230pp it felt painfully slow. I raced a sh!tty passat up my arse at 70 from London and I floored it to 100 and the response was pretty sh!t he was not that far behind me lol.
Had I done that on the ed30 I would have blown the arse of him lol.
So last night I done that after putting the tuning box in and the difference was unreal it felt like an ed30 again and mid torque it felt like a monster again.
It's a bad day when my g/f says she felt it to be very slow compared to our last car. But today she was saying she could not believe the difference. I would say Barry it must be close to 300bhp but the biggest difference is mid torque it now throws you back in the seat lol
my misses says that about every car since a sold her old tuned mk4 4 motion :grin: but wants a f**kin s3 again :whistle: an a bet the golf now goes the way it should have came out the factory will need to get a shot of arnold sharks demo car see if she like them
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I am sure she will mate lol
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I had bluefin on my mk6, it was great.
There is no way I'm going to mess with this car, it is so sorted already.
No need.
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I had bluefin on my mk6, it was great.
There is no way I'm going to mess with this car, it is so sorted already.
No need.
I thought the mk6 was awful. I had superchips remap it and even they said it was sh!t. It just was never a good engine to tune compared to mk5 and ed30 and 35 that is why they revamped the engine block and other bits for the mk7 to make it more tuneable but sorry still ain't fast without more tuning sorry lol.
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John may I have a PM with the discount details too please?
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I'd appreciate it if you could send me the discount code too..... Cheers
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I can see a group buy coming up!! :grin:
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I can see a group buy coming up!! :grin:
Yes a group buy is what he mentioned, I will email him and ask him how to go about that.
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I can see a group buy coming up!! :grin:
never mind the group buy a want to see it against a normal gti :evil:
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I can see a group buy coming up!! :grin:
never mind the group buy a want to see it against a normal gti :evil:
Ok spoke to the guy if I can get 5 people he will give us 20% off the total which is a saving of around 100quid each on the stage 2 box that I bought.
And believe me Barry it would horse a normal gti no worrys lol
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Any idea what makes it stage 2?? Does it just run more boost or something??
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I can see a group buy coming up!! :grin:
never mind the group buy a want to see it against a normal gti :evil:
Ok spoke to the guy if I can get 5 people he will give us 20% off the total which is a saving of around 100quid each on the stage 2 box that I bought.
And believe me Barry it would horse a normal gti no worrys lol
would like to see that bit :wink: an do you not need a few extra bits for a stage 2
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Any idea what makes it stage 2?? Does it just run more boost or something??
It has just got more power mate. I am not easily pleased Barry lol and given i know how good my ed30 was I know it would trounce it lol
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Any idea what makes it stage 2?? Does it just run more boost or something??
It has just got more power mate. I am not easily pleased Barry lol and given i know how good my ed30 was I know it would trounce it lol
a better hope not to meet this at the lights then :laugh:
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Any idea what makes it stage 2?? Does it just run more boost or something??
It has just got more power mate. I am not easily pleased Barry lol and given i know how good my ed30 was I know it would trounce it lol
a better hope not to meet this at the lights then :laugh:
Yes mate your right lol :smiley:
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Any idea what makes it stage 2?? Does it just run more boost or something??
It has just got more power mate. I am not easily pleased Barry lol and given i know how good my ed30 was I know it would trounce it lol
a better hope not to meet this at the lights then :laugh:
Yes mate your right lol :smiley:
always up for a challenge :grin:
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Any idea what makes it stage 2?? Does it just run more boost or something??
It has just got more power mate. I am not easily pleased Barry lol and given i know how good my ed30 was I know it would trounce it lol
a better hope not to meet this at the lights then :laugh:
Yes mate your right lol :smiley:
always up for a challenge :grin:
Anytime mate lol
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Any idea what makes it stage 2?? Does it just run more boost or something??
It has just got more power mate. I am not easily pleased Barry lol and given i know how good my ed30 was I know it would trounce it lol
a better hope not to meet this at the lights then :laugh:
Yes mate your right lol :smiley:
always up for a challenge :grin:
Anytime mate lol
just pm me with the details :laugh:
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The TSI engine in the MK6 is just as tuneable as TFSI imo.
K04 conversion gives around 370 BHP on a reliable rolling road.
I think people need to be a bit more realistic about what they expect...the IHI is a small turbo and isn't intended for out and out pace but spools quickly giving instant torque low down which is suitable in many driving situations in the UK.
Most VAG cars have a linear stock power delivery and will feel flat after coming from a remapped car.
The software vendor you choose will also influence this, some are more aggressive than others in power delivery.
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
Do you enjoy driving without valid insurance?
An insurance company will probably take any opportunity they can not to pay out! It didn't cost that much extra to declare mine.
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The TSI engine in the MK6 is just as tuneable as TFSI imo.
K04 conversion gives around 370 BHP on a reliable rolling road.
I think people need to be a bit more realistic about what they expect...the IHI is a small turbo and isn't intended for out and out pace but spools quickly giving instant torque low down which is suitable in many driving situations in the UK.
Most VAG cars have a linear stock power delivery and will feel flat after coming from a remapped car.
The software vendor you choose will also influence this, some are more aggressive than others in power delivery.
You're not wrong there.
I drove a stock Edition 30 a few years ago and although it was quick I found the lazy spool up time just didn't suit my driving style at all (mostly bendy hilly dual carriageways where instant low to mid range are the most useful characteristics). The same scenario with the old 225bhp 1.8T engines with a similar turbo.
I found at Stage 1 the IHI equipped mk6 was just perfect for those types of roads. My current mk6 is stock but my last one was REVO'd and although the power is 'only' about 260 bhp and 300 lb ft, the delivery made it a real weapon on the road and when I put it on the rollers with a mere 6000 miles on the clock the power graph was really good, really strong power right through the turbo's range and much better than the mk5 GTI Stage 1 I had previously.
I've also had a fair bit of experience of a Blufinned mk6 which has noticeably less power than the REVO but still very useful mid range power and less torque steer and wheelspin.
The Stage 2 Tuning Box will just have some of the settings slightly increased compared to the Stage 2. I will have nothing in common with what we regard as a stage 2 Remap as there will be no hardware additions. With tuning boxes you just up the parameters a bit to get extra power. A bit crude but does the job.
The DTUK box is lower power than the TMC one but would actually be adjustable if you had access to a rolling road I would think.
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The TSI engine in the MK6 is just as tuneable as TFSI imo.
K04 conversion gives around 370 BHP on a reliable rolling road.
I think people need to be a bit more realistic about what they expect...the IHI is a small turbo and isn't intended for out and out pace but spools quickly giving instant torque low down which is suitable in many driving situations in the UK.
Most VAG cars have a linear stock power delivery and will feel flat after coming from a remapped car.
The software vendor you choose will also influence this, some are more aggressive than others in power delivery.
You're not wrong there.
I drove a stock Edition 30 a few years ago and although it was quick I found the lazy spool up time just didn't suit my driving style at all (mostly bendy hilly dual carriageways where instant low to mid range are the most useful characteristics). The same scenario with the old 225bhp 1.8T engines with a similar turbo.
I found at Stage 1 the IHI equipped mk6 was just perfect for those types of roads. My current mk6 is stock but my last one was REVO'd and although the power is 'only' about 260 bhp and 300 lb ft, the delivery made it a real weapon on the road and when I put it on the rollers with a mere 6000 miles on the clock the power graph was really good, really strong power right through the turbo's range and much better than the mk5 GTI Stage 1 I had previously.
I've also had a fair bit of experience of a Blufinned mk6 which has noticeably less power than the REVO but still very useful mid range power and less torque steer and wheelspin.
The Stage 2 Tuning Box will just have some of the settings slightly increased compared to the Stage 2. I will have nothing in common with what we regard as a stage 2 Remap as there will be no hardware additions. With tuning boxes you just up the parameters a bit to get extra power. A bit crude but does the job.
The DTUK box is lower power than the TMC one but would actually be adjustable if you had access to a rolling road I would think.
Largely the same for my Revo stage 1. It holds peak power from 4250 all the way to red line.
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
Do you enjoy driving without valid insurance?
An insurance company will probably take any opportunity they can not to pay out! It didn't cost that much extra to declare mine.
Listen if you want to tell your insurance that's up to you but I am perfectly fine with what I do. And regarding the mk6 it was not as tuneable stock with a stage 1 remap it was pish. Maybe yes changing everything yes. That is why vw stuck with mark 5 engine with e35 and the r. Hence the reason they have upgraded the engine for mk7 to make it more robust with extra torque.
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The TSI engine in the MK6 is just as tuneable as TFSI imo.
K04 conversion gives around 370 BHP on a reliable rolling road.
I think people need to be a bit more realistic about what they expect...the IHI is a small turbo and isn't intended for out and out pace but spools quickly giving instant torque low down which is suitable in many driving situations in the UK.
Most VAG cars have a linear stock power delivery and will feel flat after coming from a remapped car.
The software vendor you choose will also influence this, some are more aggressive than others in power delivery.
Do you actually have any of the specs of the turbo in mk7 as I've searched and can't find anything..... How much different is the lump in the new S3 and new R as that makes 300bhp out the box. I'm guessing much like the ed30 and ed35 they run bigger turbo, injectors etc??
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
Do you enjoy driving without valid insurance?
An insurance company will probably take any opportunity they can not to pay out! It didn't cost that much extra to declare mine.
Listen if you want to tell your insurance that's up to you but I am perfectly fine with what I do. And regarding the mk6 it was not as tuneable stock with a stage 1 remap it was pish. Maybe yes changing everything yes. That is why vw stuck with mark 5 engine with e35 and the r. Hence the reason they have upgraded the engine for mk7 to make it more robust with extra torque.
It is indeed your choice but I don't think the risk is worth it. After all if you can afford a remap you can afford the insurance.
I doubt VW considers aftermarket engine tuning when it designs an engine. It is more likely down to timescales with engine development, VW had a tried and tested EA113 engine that could be dropped straight in without significant development costs.
If we are talking K04 vs K04 then the performance of the TSI exceeds the TFSI in like for like tuning situations. For example even stage 1 TFSI (K03 or K04) can benefit from a HPFP upgrade whereas the stock TSI fueling system is good to go for a K04.
The TFSI has been around for longer so has a longer track record.
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John, I am really interested to hear about how you get on with the tuning box. I will be putting one on mine as soon as I get the car too. How much did it change the insurance? (if at all :wink: )
I have bought the box so I should get it end of next week so I will let you know how I get on. I have never bothered telling me insurance to be honest lol. Chance I will take. I can get it checked on rolling road and get a read out. But having had so many remaps I will know just by driving it how it compares to my remapped ed35 which was 310bph.
Do you enjoy driving without valid insurance?
An insurance company will probably take any opportunity they can not to pay out! It didn't cost that much extra to declare mine.
Listen if you want to tell your insurance that's up to you but I am perfectly fine with what I do. And regarding the mk6 it was not as tuneable stock with a stage 1 remap it was pish. Maybe yes changing everything yes. That is why vw stuck with mark 5 engine with e35 and the r. Hence the reason they have upgraded the engine for mk7 to make it more robust with extra torque.
It is indeed your choice but I don't think the risk is worth it. After all if you can afford a remap you can afford the insurance.
I doubt VW considers aftermarket engine tuning when it designs an engine. It is more likely down to timescales with engine development, VW had a tried and tested EA113 engine that could be dropped straight in without significant development costs.
If we are talking K04 vs K04 then the performance of the TSI exceeds the TFSI in like for like tuning situations. For example even stage 1 TFSI (K03 or K04) can benefit from a HPFP upgrade whereas the stock TSI fueling system is good to go for a K04.
The TFSI has been around for longer so has a longer track record.
It was not down to timescale. Thats why they used the mk5 engines with both ed35 and r it was built better to handle the extra power. The mk6 in current form was no use for the r. I had a few remaps from celtic tuning and then went to superchips and they all agreed that the mk6 was nowhere as good to tune as mk5. Hence the problems i had having to change a couple of parts to cure the overboost problem. But it was never fast. I had 270 bph on mk6 and the r stock my mate has destroyed me with some margin it was pish. Ed35 was a different matter with remap. Even without remap would still have beat my mk6. Horrible engine. But much improved with new updates to it
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Yeh I agree in the ED35 and R the older engine would have been preferential because both engines had a variety of changes to accommodate the power increase. I was speculating that the TSI probably didn't make it into the R and ED35 due to time or development costs.
I can't see how it can be described as a poor tuning platform compared with TFSI (Like for like e.g GTI vs GTI), for example:
1.The TSI manifold's flaps lay flat, and out of the path of incoming air when not in use. The FSI flaps stay in the middle of the manifold which restricts the flow.
2.TSI head flows better.
3.TSI fueling system is better.
5.TSI engine compression ratio is lower allowing for more timing advance.
6.TSI engine achieves greater timing advance than the FSI.
There's probably more...some tuners are better than others!
A stage 1 MK6 GTI should match or even pull on a stock R from a rolling start but the R will beat plenty of cars off the line.
GTI Stage 1 - let's say 250 BHP, power to weight ratio of 190/Ton.
Stock R - 262 BHP, power to weight ratio of 181/Ton.
Maybe your car had some problems or the other car was modified.
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Yeh I agree in the ED35 and R the older engine would have been preferential because both engines had a variety of changes to accommodate the power increase. I was speculating that the TSI probably didn't make it into the R and ED35 due to time or development costs.
I can't see how it can be described as a poor tuning platform compared with TFSI (Like for like e.g GTI vs GTI), for example:
1.The TSI manifold's flaps lay flat, and out of the path of incoming air when not in use. The FSI flaps stay in the middle of the manifold which restricts the flow.
2.TSI head flows better.
3.TSI fueling system is better.
5.TSI engine compression ratio is lower allowing for more timing advance.
6.TSI engine achieves greater timing advance than the FSI.
There's probably more...some tuners are better than others!
A stage 1 MK6 GTI should match or even pull on a stock R from a rolling start but the R will beat plenty of cars off the line.
GTI Stage 1 - let's say 250 BHP, power to weight ratio of 190/Ton.
Stock R - 262 BHP, power to weight ratio of 181/Ton.
Maybe your car had some problems or the other car was modified.
I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?
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Due to take delivery of a new Gti very soon and would be very interested in the group buy, didn't think the standard demo i tried was that much quicker than my Mk6 Gtd.
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Due to take delivery of a new Gti very soon and would be very interested in the group buy, didn't think the standard demo i tried was that much quicker than my Mk6 Gtd.
I agree mate I was very disappointed. You can pm me to arrange it if you want
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Do the boxes affect your warranty?
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Do the boxes affect your warranty?
No mate you just unplug it and no trace
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I'm not technically minded when it comes to installing things like these but I could be interested as well
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Thanks John, this will sound quite daft but I'm new to all this and haven't a clue how to message you ?
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Thanks John, this will sound quite daft but I'm new to all this and haven't a clue how to message you ?
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Just click my name on left side of the quote mate.
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I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?
I said Time and Cost was a more likely a factor for the engines absence in the last generation ED35 and R on the basis it needed more work. You've rubbished TSI tuning potential without really saying why, just that you think it's crap or because a tuner said so.
Revo K04 upgrade for TSI yields excellent gains, average gains which are typically greater than TFSI K04 conversion. Revo is worldwide and it's reputation would probably suffer more than others if it was releasing these upgrades so it can't be as bad as you state.
There isn't much between the engines in term of performance increases like for like but the TSI edges it and doesn't require fueling upgrades to achieve it.
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Yeh I agree in the ED35 and R the older engine would have been preferential because both engines had a variety of changes to accommodate the power increase. I was speculating that the TSI probably didn't make it into the R and ED35 due to time or development costs.
I can't see how it can be described as a poor tuning platform compared with TFSI (Like for like e.g GTI vs GTI), for example:
1.The TSI manifold's flaps lay flat, and out of the path of incoming air when not in use. The FSI flaps stay in the middle of the manifold which restricts the flow.
2.TSI head flows better.
3.TSI fueling system is better.
5.TSI engine compression ratio is lower allowing for more timing advance.
6.TSI engine achieves greater timing advance than the FSI.
There's probably more...some tuners are better than others!
A stage 1 MK6 GTI should match or even pull on a stock R from a rolling start but the R will beat plenty of cars off the line.
GTI Stage 1 - let's say 250 BHP, power to weight ratio of 190/Ton.
Stock R - 262 BHP, power to weight ratio of 181/Ton.
Maybe your car had some problems or the other car was modified.
I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?
Can I ask, why did you have 5 mk 5's and 2 mk 6's?! :shocked:
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Thanks John, this will sound quite daft but I'm new to all this and haven't a clue how to message you ?
I think you need 10 posts before you can PM someone, so another post and your good to go.
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Thanks for that, I've been clicking on everything I can find !
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Yeh I agree in the ED35 and R the older engine would have been preferential because both engines had a variety of changes to accommodate the power increase. I was speculating that the TSI probably didn't make it into the R and ED35 due to time or development costs.
I can't see how it can be described as a poor tuning platform compared with TFSI (Like for like e.g GTI vs GTI), for example:
1.The TSI manifold's flaps lay flat, and out of the path of incoming air when not in use. The FSI flaps stay in the middle of the manifold which restricts the flow.
2.TSI head flows better.
3.TSI fueling system is better.
5.TSI engine compression ratio is lower allowing for more timing advance.
6.TSI engine achieves greater timing advance than the FSI.
There's probably more...some tuners are better than others!
A stage 1 MK6 GTI should match or even pull on a stock R from a rolling start but the R will beat plenty of cars off the line.
GTI Stage 1 - let's say 250 BHP, power to weight ratio of 190/Ton.
Stock R - 262 BHP, power to weight ratio of 181/Ton.
Maybe your car had some problems or the other car was modified.
I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?
Can I ask, why did you have 5 mk 5's and 2 mk 6's?! :shocked:
I liked them lol. I include ed35 ed30 and 3 gti's. I have 30 cars in 10years I get sick of cars very quickly lol.
I only car I have ever service was ed30 kept that the longest because it was the best. I kept going from manual back to dsg that's why I changed them so much
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I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?
I said Time and Cost was a more likely a factor for the engines absence in the last generation ED35 and R on the basis it needed more work. You've rubbished TSI tuning potential without really saying why, just that you think it's crap or because a tuner said so.
Revo K04 upgrade for TSI yields excellent gains, average gains which are typically greater than TFSI K04 conversion. Revo is worldwide and it's reputation would probably suffer more than others if it was releasing these upgrades so it can't be as bad as you state.
There isn't much between the engines in term of performance increases like for like but the TSI edges it and doesn't require fueling upgrades to achieve it.
Yes I have no doubt that they will have great gains with k04. I only keep my cars a year at most so all I want is a remap and don't want to do any mods like that.
Yes when I got white mk6 I went to superchips after celtic tuning could not sort out boost problem. And when there racing driver took it for a spin he said it felt really slow with poor mid range, that's exactly the problem I had. He then checked the bhp and could not believe it was kicking out 230bhp stock. So he remapped it and it was 277bhp on rolling road.
But even after remap he sayed it really did lack mid range grunt.
So got sick of it traded it in for a dsg in hope that maybe there was indeed a fault with it. Needless to say I buy brand new cars so I could not test drive it. So I again took it celtic tuning and they manged it ok but same problem compared to mark5 it was poor. And as I said before my mates stock r gave me a right drubbing with them both. So as soon as the ed35 came out I got a new one remapped and god it was a different world.
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Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs
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Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs
Lol your right there. But you can't beat smell of a new car lol
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I think Halfords do a 2.99 can of new car smell.....
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Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs
Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through, why have the hassle of buying something (or 7 of something) then having five remaps etc.
Surely the lesson is if you want something quick, to buy something that is quick in the first place??
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I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?
I said Time and Cost was a more likely a factor for the engines absence in the last generation ED35 and R on the basis it needed more work. You've rubbished TSI tuning potential without really saying why, just that you think it's crap or because a tuner said so.
Revo K04 upgrade for TSI yields excellent gains, average gains which are typically greater than TFSI K04 conversion. Revo is worldwide and it's reputation would probably suffer more than others if it was releasing these upgrades so it can't be as bad as you state.
There isn't much between the engines in term of performance increases like for like but the TSI edges it and doesn't require fueling upgrades to achieve it.
Yes I have no doubt that they will have great gains with k04. I only keep my cars a year at most so all I want is a remap and don't want to do any mods like that.
Yes when I got white mk6 I went to superchips after celtic tuning could not sort out boost problem. And when there racing driver took it for a spin he said it felt really slow with poor mid range, that's exactly the problem I had. He then checked the bhp and could not believe it was kicking out 230bhp stock. So he remapped it and it was 277bhp on rolling road.
But even after remap he sayed it really did lack mid range grunt.
So got sick of it traded it in for a dsg in hope that maybe there was indeed a fault with it. Needless to say I buy brand new cars so I could not test drive it. So I again took it celtic tuning and they manged it ok but same problem compared to mark5 it was poor. And as I said before my mates stock r gave me a right drubbing with them both. So as soon as the ed35 came out I got a new one remapped and god it was a different world.
a thought celtic tuning done a great job on all your cars doesnt sound like it reading this :smiley:
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Yes I have no doubt that they will have great gains with k04. I only keep my cars a year at most so all I want is a remap and don't want to do any mods like that.
Yes when I got white mk6 I went to superchips after celtic tuning could not sort out boost problem. And when there racing driver took it for a spin he said it felt really slow with poor mid range, that's exactly the problem I had. He then checked the bhp and could not believe it was kicking out 230bhp stock. So he remapped it and it was 277bhp on rolling road.
But even after remap he sayed it really did lack mid range grunt.
So got sick of it traded it in for a dsg in hope that maybe there was indeed a fault with it. Needless to say I buy brand new cars so I could not test drive it. So I again took it celtic tuning and they manged it ok but same problem compared to mark5 it was poor. And as I said before my mates stock r gave me a right drubbing with them both. So as soon as the ed35 came out I got a new one remapped and god it was a different world.
The Dyno lottery :wink:.
I've preferred both of my Golf's with remaps (TFSI/TSI) as they seem fairly linear on stock mapping. I have read people's comments on the power delivery differences between the 2 engines, so this might be a factor in you preferring TFSI. But going from a K04 to IHI will show this even more in the upper rpm the IHI is out of it's efficiency and tails off but generally it performs a bit better than the the MK5 GTI and it should, it's a newer engine design.
If an ED35 was available in my price range I probably would take it over the MK6 GTI, the MK6 R is too much of a fuel penalty imo, although it's certainly moved on with the MK7. The ED30 is a great 'bang for buck' vehicle but I don't like Tartan interiors!
This has turned into a bit of a thread hijack, back to MK7 tuning :laugh:.
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My ultimate plan down the line will certainly be for a remap and likely some engine upgrades. But while my warranty is still ongoing and VW are likely to be flashing the ECU during services I think a tuning box is the best option for now. I haven't seen anyone offering a good Mk7 remap just yet anyways!
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Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs
Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through, why have the hassle of buying something (or 7 of something) then having five remaps etc.
Surely the lesson is if you want something quick, to buy something that is quick in the first place??
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Why would I want to buy a Porsche cayman or an Audi TTrs can stand any of the 2 of them. I lost more on my mercedes cls than I did on 5 golfs. I paid £20000 for my ed30 brand new and sold it a year and a half later for £18000 so I think you will find that you lose very little on any gti's by keeping them a short time. I paid £26000 for my my mk6 and traded it in 5 months later and got £25000. And ed35 £25800 sold it year later for £23500 so I think you will find that there is not many cars that will beat the golf for resale value. Also r32 paid £22000 nearly a year and got £20000. You will take a bigger hit with more expensive cars as there is a fortune in vat and then resale value.
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Does anyone have any dates from the likes of Revo as to when they will crack the ecu code?
I saw on Celtic's website that they have several figures for mk7 golfs but after a mate emailed them about his tdi they responded saying they hadnt broke the ecu yet, strange how they have the figures though.
Also, is the group buy £100 off inclusive of any offers, seeing as you can get £50 off on DTUK's own website or £80 off for forum members? Maybe we can sort a better deal with more members to make it more worthwhile? I'd be up for it then, just seems a lot of money for something I am eventually going to replace with a map.
And lastly, does anyone know why the performance pack GTI's are showing a higher bhp gain over standard GTI's even though we know its the same hardware inside?
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I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?
I said Time and Cost was a more likely a factor for the engines absence in the last generation ED35 and R on the basis it needed more work. You've rubbished TSI tuning potential without really saying why, just that you think it's crap or because a tuner said so.
Revo K04 upgrade for TSI yields excellent gains, average gains which are typically greater than TFSI K04 conversion. Revo is worldwide and it's reputation would probably suffer more than others if it was releasing these upgrades so it can't be as bad as you state.
There isn't much between the engines in term of performance increases like for like but the TSI edges it and doesn't require fueling upgrades to achieve it.
Yes I have no doubt that they will have great gains with k04. I only keep my cars a year at most so all I want is a remap and don't want to do any mods like that.
Yes when I got white mk6 I went to superchips after celtic tuning could not sort out boost problem. And when there racing driver took it for a spin he said it felt really slow with poor mid range, that's exactly the problem I had. He then checked the bhp and could not believe it was kicking out 230bhp stock. So he remapped it and it was 277bhp on rolling road.
But even after remap he sayed it really did lack mid range grunt.
So got sick of it traded it in for a dsg in hope that maybe there was indeed a fault with it. Needless to say I buy brand new cars so I could not test drive it. So I again took it celtic tuning and they manged it ok but same problem compared to mark5 it was poor. And as I said before my mates stock r gave me a right drubbing with them both. So as soon as the ed35 came out I got a new one remapped and god it was a different world.
a thought celtic tuning done a great job on all your cars doesnt sound like it reading this :smiley:
What has celtic tuning got to do with this? I was talking about my experience with mk6. Superchips had the same problem, they had to lower boost as it could not handle the extra power. It was more to do with mk6 that tuning company's. I had all the rest of my cars done with celtic tuning and they were excellent. The mk6 was just a sh!t car that's why I got rid of them.
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My ultimate plan down the line will certainly be for a remap and likely some engine upgrades. But while my warranty is still ongoing and VW are likely to be flashing the ECU during services I think a tuning box is the best option for now. I haven't seen anyone offering a good Mk7 remap just yet anyways!
I have just emailed guy about group buy mate I was working all day
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Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs
Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through, why have the hassle of buying something (or 7 of something) then having five remaps etc.
Surely the lesson is if you want something quick, to buy something that is quick in the first place??
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Why would I want to buy a Porsche cayman or an Audi TTrs can stand any of the 2 of them. I lost more on my mercedes cls than I did on 5 golfs. I paid £20000 for my ed30 brand new and sold it a year and a half later for £18000 so I think you will find that you lose very little on any gti's by keeping them a short time. I paid £26000 for my my mk6 and traded it in 5 months later and got £25000. And ed35 £25800 sold it year later for £23500 so I think you will find that there is not many cars that will beat the golf for resale value. Also r32 paid £22000 nearly a year and got £20000. You will take a bigger hit with more expensive cars as there is a fortune in vat and then resale value.
I would take a TTRS or cayman over a GTI anytime. Sorry, residuals may be slightly better on the Golf but both the Audi and Cayman would leave the golf for dead even with a remap
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Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs
Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through, why have the hassle of buying something (or 7 of something) then having five remaps etc.
Surely the lesson is if you want something quick, to buy something that is quick in the first place??
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Why would I want to buy a Porsche cayman or an Audi TTrs can stand any of the 2 of them. I lost more on my mercedes cls than I did on 5 golfs. I paid £20000 for my ed30 brand new and sold it a year and a half later for £18000 so I think you will find that you lose very little on any gti's by keeping them a short time. I paid £26000 for my my mk6 and traded it in 5 months later and got £25000. And ed35 £25800 sold it year later for £23500 so I think you will find that there is not many cars that will beat the golf for resale value. Also r32 paid £22000 nearly a year and got £20000. You will take a bigger hit with more expensive cars as there is a fortune in vat and then resale value.
I would take a TTRS or cayman over a GTI anytime. Sorry, residuals may be slightly better on the Golf but both the Audi and Cayman would leave the golf for dead even with a remap
Of course it would but I don't buy the golf for it to be the fastest car in the world. As an everyday car it is unbeatable and Audi and caymans look like sh!t in my opinion.
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Fair enough and it's your opinion of course but I'd be surprised if many people agree with you. Clearly your a golf addict with the number you have had in the past so I'm guessing your slightly biased
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Fair enough and it's your opinion of course but I'd be surprised if many people agree with you. Clearly your a golf addict with the number you have had in the past so I'm guessing your slightly biased
I not really that fussed mate if people agree or not. I don't like audi or Porsche. Never have. We'll I have tried most other cars from Mercs to bmw and for the money non of them have driven better than gti. So for the extra money I would rather put it in my pocket and have a gti. Unless it was a Ferrari or Aston Martin lol.
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I agree with Craig. Having driven both a Cayman and a TTRS I'm sorry they're in a different league to the GTI (even with a high end remap). One's a reasonably fast family hatchback, the others are sports cars. As great as the new GTI is, it has a long way to go to match the other two for handling etc.
Personally, I'd rather save up and buy a better car than bother with a remap but that's just me. If I'd wanted a sub 6 second car I wouldn't have bought a GTI.
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I agree with Craig. Having driven both a Cayman and a TTRS I'm sorry they're in a different league to the GTI (even with a high end remap). One's a reasonably fast family hatchback, the others are sports cars. As great as the new GTI is, it has a long way to go to match the other two for handling etc.
Personally, I'd rather save up and buy a better car than bother with a remap but that's just me. If I'd wanted a sub 6 second car I wouldn't have bought a GTI.
I am not disagreeing with that. But I have no interest in them. As a day to day car the gti does everything you will every need on a public road. On a track different matter.
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Anybody else interested in a group buy for tmc tuning box let me know. I have 3 at the moment. Need another 2.
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I agree with Craig. Having driven both a Cayman and a TTRS I'm sorry they're in a different league to the GTI (even with a high end remap). One's a reasonably fast family hatchback, the others are sports cars. As great as the new GTI is, it has a long way to go to match the other two for handling etc.
Personally, I'd rather save up and buy a better car than bother with a remap but that's just me. If I'd wanted a sub 6 second car I wouldn't have bought a GTI.
I am not disagreeing with that. But I have no interest in them. As a day to day car the gti does everything you will every need on a public road. On a track different matter.
I 100% agree, on a day to day basis the other two aren't practical at all. But the GTI is quick enough on public roads without adding anything to it. Saying that, I'd be very interested to see what kind of output you get with a tuning box :laugh:
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I agree with Craig. Having driven both a Cayman and a TTRS I'm sorry they're in a different league to the GTI (even with a high end remap). One's a reasonably fast family hatchback, the others are sports cars. As great as the new GTI is, it has a long way to go to match the other two for handling etc.
Personally, I'd rather save up and buy a better car than bother with a remap but that's just me. If I'd wanted a sub 6 second car I wouldn't have bought a GTI.
I am not disagreeing with that. But I have no interest in them. As a day to day car the gti does everything you will every need on a public road. On a track different matter.
I 100% agree, on a day to day basis the other two aren't practical at all. But the GTI is quick enough on public roads without adding anything to it. Saying that, I'd be very interested to see what kind of output you get with a tuning box :laugh:
Yes we'll I am going to try and take it to my mate who can put it on the rolling road I hope before his boss comes back from holiday. Trying to get it done so let you know. But I have to say the car is far better than it was in standard form, torque is night and day around midrange really gives you a good thump will little effort on your foot.
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Anybody else interested in a group buy for tmc tuning box let me know. I have 3 at the moment. Need another 2.
Potentially interested in this John. Pending rolling road results and also to see how the bank balance is looking.
J
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Anybody else interested in a group buy for tmc tuning box let me know. I have 3 at the moment. Need another 2.
Potentially interested in this John. Pending rolling road results and also to see how the bank balance is looking.
J
Ok no worrys mate will let you knowing can get it done
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
Ok mate no problem will try and find out this week
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
Ok mate no problem will try and find out this week
do you think it will be near the 300bhp as said :wink:
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
Ok mate no problem will try and find out this week
do you think it will be near the 300bhp as said :wink:
Yes mate I know it won't be a kick in the arse of it. I know my ed35 was 308bhp from rolling road, and it feels everybit as fast as that was. :smiley:
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
Ok mate no problem will try and find out this week
do you think it will be near the 300bhp as said :wink:
Yes mate I know it won't be a kick in the arse of it. I know my ed35 was 308bhp from rolling road, and it feels everybit as fast as that was. :smiley:
Surely you'll go through tyres like nobody's business with that much power going through the front?
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Anybody else interested in a group buy for tmc tuning box let me know. I have 3 at the moment. Need another 2.
Sorry I thought we were on about the DTUK box, why do you recommend TMC's over theirs even though it's more expensive and for the PP golf at least, less bhp?
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Anybody else interested in a group buy for tmc tuning box let me know. I have 3 at the moment. Need another 2.
Sorry I thought we were on about the DTUK box, why do you recommend TMC's over theirs even though it's more expensive and for the PP golf at least, less bhp?
The stage 2 box takes it up 2 nearly 300bhp with pp and is 50nm more torque than the dtuk box?
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
Ok mate no problem will try and find out this week
do you think it will be near the 300bhp as said :wink:
Yes mate I know it won't be a kick in the arse of it. I know my ed35 was 308bhp from rolling road, and it feels everybit as fast as that was. :smiley:
Surely you'll go through tyres like nobody's business with that much power going through the front?
No mate car can handle that much power easily and only heavy rain would get a bit of wheel spin. I done nearly 20000 on ed30 with 300bhp with michelin sport2 and they still had loads of tread on them and I really hammered that car.
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
Ok mate no problem will try and find out this week
do you think it will be near the 300bhp as said :wink:
Yes mate I know it won't be a kick in the arse of it. I know my ed35 was 308bhp from rolling road, and it feels everybit as fast as that was. :smiley:
Surely you'll go through tyres like nobody's business with that much power going through the front?
No mate car can handle that much power easily and only heavy rain would get a bit of wheel spin. I done nearly 20000 on ed30 with 300bhp with michelin sport2 and they still had loads of tread on them and I really hammered that car.
Fair enough! Intriguing!!
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I would also be interested going forward mate but I'd want to do a wee bit more research into impact on insurance and I'd like to see the results first :smiley:
Ok mate no problem will try and find out this week
do you think it will be near the 300bhp as said :wink:
Yes mate I know it won't be a kick in the arse of it. I know my ed35 was 308bhp from rolling road, and it feels everybit as fast as that was. :smiley:
Surely you'll go through tyres like nobody's business with that much power going through the front?
No mate car can handle that much power easily and only heavy rain would get a bit of wheel spin. I done nearly 20000 on ed30 with 300bhp with michelin sport2 and they still had loads of tread on them and I really hammered that car.
Fair enough! Intriguing!!
As long as you have good tyres mate.
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Anybody else interested in a group buy for tmc tuning box let me know. I have 3 at the moment. Need another 2.
Sorry I thought we were on about the DTUK box, why do you recommend TMC's over theirs even though it's more expensive and for the PP golf at least, less bhp?
The stage 2 box takes it up 2 nearly 300bhp with pp and is 50nm more torque than the dtuk box?
Sorry didn't see the stage 2 box, still not sure why PP is more mapped though?
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Anybody else interested in a group buy for tmc tuning box let me know. I have 3 at the moment. Need another 2.
Sorry I thought we were on about the DTUK box, why do you recommend TMC's over theirs even though it's more expensive and for the PP golf at least, less bhp?
The stage 2 box takes it up 2 nearly 300bhp with pp and is 50nm more torque than the dtuk box?
Sorry didn't see the stage 2 box, still not sure why PP is more mapped though
Yeah not sure about that one either mate
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Just had a look at the stage 2, bhp is still a bit less but 50 lbs of torque would more than make up for that. Very interested in seeing tmc graph if you can get from a dyno.
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Just had a look at the stage 2, bhp is still a bit less but 50 lbs of torque would more than make up for that. Very interested in seeing tmc graph if you can get from a dyno.
Dtuk is 263bhp and tmc 290bhp? Is there another. I will be trying to get info this week on rolling road mate
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The TSI engine in the MK6 is just as tuneable as TFSI imo.
K04 conversion gives around 370 BHP on a reliable rolling road.
I think people need to be a bit more realistic about what they expect...the IHI is a small turbo and isn't intended for out and out pace but spools quickly giving instant torque low down which is suitable in many driving situations in the UK.
Most VAG cars have a linear stock power delivery and will feel flat after coming from a remapped car.
The software vendor you choose will also influence this, some are more aggressive than others in power delivery.
Do you actually have any of the specs of the turbo in mk7 as I've searched and can't find anything..... How much different is the lump in the new S3 and new R as that makes 300bhp out the box. I'm guessing much like the ed30 and ed35 they run bigger turbo, injectors etc??
There is a pic floating around on GolfMK7 which showed IHI on the Turbo:
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1174698&postcount=12
With regards to the S3 and R it's typically been a larger Turbo/Intercooler and changes in Fuel delivery rate with reinforced internals but there isn't much info around currently.
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Just had a look at the stage 2, bhp is still a bit less but 50 lbs of torque would more than make up for that. Very interested in seeing tmc graph if you can get from a dyno.
Dtuk is 263bhp and tmc 290bhp? Is there another. I will be trying to get info this week on rolling road mate
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_2.0-tsi-230ps-gti-(performance-pack)
This is the one I'm looking at
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Just had a look at the stage 2, bhp is still a bit less but 50 lbs of torque would more than make up for that. Very interested in seeing tmc graph if you can get from a dyno.
Dtuk is 263bhp and tmc 290bhp? Is there another. I will be trying to get info this week on rolling road mate
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_2.0-tsi-230ps-gti-(performance-pack)
This is the one I'm looking at
Ok link doesn't seem to be working but just go through the website and you will see the two for Gti, one PP and one standard
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Just had a look at the stage 2, bhp is still a bit less but 50 lbs of torque would more than make up for that. Very interested in seeing tmc graph if you can get from a dyno.
Dtuk is 263bhp and tmc 290bhp? Is there another. I will be trying to get info this week on rolling road mate
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_2.0-tsi-230ps-gti-(performance-pack)
This is the one I'm looking at
Yes that's the same one its says 263bhp with pp and 50nm more, not much tuning there to be honest mate
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Just had a look at the stage 2, bhp is still a bit less but 50 lbs of torque would more than make up for that. Very interested in seeing tmc graph if you can get from a dyno.
Dtuk is 263bhp and tmc 290bhp? Is there another. I will be trying to get info this week on rolling road mate
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_2.0-tsi-230ps-gti-(performance-pack)
This is the one I'm looking at
Yes that's the same one its says 263bhp with pp and 50nm more, not much tuning there to be honest mate
Lol massive fail sorry mate, just saw 194 Kw and 263ps and read it as 294ps, that's what you get for reading it on your phone. TMC all the way then :-)
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Just had a look at the stage 2, bhp is still a bit less but 50 lbs of torque would more than make up for that. Very interested in seeing tmc graph if you can get from a dyno.
Dtuk is 263bhp and tmc 290bhp? Is there another. I will be trying to get info this week on rolling road mate
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_2.0-tsi-230ps-gti-(performance-pack)
This is the one I'm looking at
Yes that's the same one its says 263bhp with pp and 50nm more, not much tuning there to be honest mate
Lol massive fail sorry mate, just saw 194 Kw and 263ps and read it as 294ps, that's what you get for reading it on your phone. TMC all the way then :-)
Lol no worrys mate
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Hi Guys,
first of all id like to say that we (DTUK) have based our figures on the MAHA dyno used by DTE Systems in Germany.
These figures were based using the box on default setting, and did not include any of the adjustments which increase the power higher.
DTE Systems module is Tuv approved, and after speaking to them the kit has been designed to work well within safety parameters.
Saying that, i like everyone else like talking numbers and we have lots of UK based dyno results for our Diesel kits based on software written in house.
So, if any of you guys are based in the North East of England please drop me an email on
andrew(at) dieselchip.co.uk and lets talk about having one of these kits fitted to a car on a trial basis.
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Hi Guys,
first of all id like to say that we (DTUK) have based our figures on the MAHA dyno used by DTE Systems in Germany.
These figures were based using the box on default setting, and did not include any of the adjustments which increase the power higher.
DTE Systems module is Tuv approved, and after speaking to them the kit has been designed to work well within safety parameters.
Saying that, i like everyone else like talking numbers and we have lots of UK based dyno results for our Diesel kits based on software written in house.
So, if any of you guys are based in the North East of England please drop me an email on
andrew(at) dieselchip.co.uk and lets talk about having one of these kits fitted to a car on a trial basis.
No that sounds like a plan, if we can get comparable dyno read outs from these trials then we can see whats what. I was thinking about this the other day since my mistake with the numbers lol but id expect 260bhp from a mk6 tuning box, there must be more available for the mk7.
If only had ordered my GTI earlier id be up there in an ecu flash :smiley:
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Hi Guys,
first of all id like to say that we (DTUK) have based our figures on the MAHA dyno used by DTE Systems in Germany.
These figures were based using the box on default setting, and did not include any of the adjustments which increase the power higher.
DTE Systems module is Tuv approved, and after speaking to them the kit has been designed to work well within safety parameters.
Saying that, i like everyone else like talking numbers and we have lots of UK based dyno results for our Diesel kits based on software written in house.
So, if any of you guys are based in the North East of England please drop me an email on
andrew(at) dieselchip.co.uk and lets talk about having one of these kits fitted to a car on a trial basis.
No that sounds like a plan, if we can get comparable dyno read outs from these trials then we can see whats what. I was thinking about this the other day since my mistake with the numbers lol but id expect 260bhp from a mk6 tuning box, there must be more available for the mk7.
If only had ordered my GTI earlier id be up there in an ecu flash :smiley:
From my own experience with over 14,000 DTE systems kits, weve always been able to optimise the software (diesel wise) as their tunes are always conservative. Im sure the same principles apply to the pETROLS, but it would be good to have some UK dyno figures to see where exactly where we stand
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Hi Guys,
first of all id like to say that we (DTUK) have based our figures on the MAHA dyno used by DTE Systems in Germany.
These figures were based using the box on default setting, and did not include any of the adjustments which increase the power higher.
DTE Systems module is Tuv approved, and after speaking to them the kit has been designed to work well within safety parameters.
Saying that, i like everyone else like talking numbers and we have lots of UK based dyno results for our Diesel kits based on software written in house.
So, if any of you guys are based in the North East of England please drop me an email on
andrew(at) dieselchip.co.uk and lets talk about having one of these kits fitted to a car on a trial basis.
Hi Andrew,
Interesting that the box can be altered for performance. Is this easy to adjust? Can you offer any estimate of BHP/Torque on an Mk7 GTI at the highest safe setting?
I live in Carlisle and frequent Newcastle every fortnight or so on business. I would be willing to trial the box if we can arrange a suitable time.
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Hi Guys,
first of all id like to say that we (DTUK) have based our figures on the MAHA dyno used by DTE Systems in Germany.
These figures were based using the box on default setting, and did not include any of the adjustments which increase the power higher.
DTE Systems module is Tuv approved, and after speaking to them the kit has been designed to work well within safety parameters.
Saying that, i like everyone else like talking numbers and we have lots of UK based dyno results for our Diesel kits based on software written in house.
So, if any of you guys are based in the North East of England please drop me an email on
andrew(at) dieselchip.co.uk and lets talk about having one of these kits fitted to a car on a trial basis.
Hi Andrew,
Interesting that the box can be altered for performance. Is this easy to adjust? Can you offer any estimate of BHP/Torque on an Mk7 GTI at the highest safe setting?
I live in Carlisle and frequent Newcastle every fortnight or so on business. I would be willing to trial the box if we can arrange a suitable time.
Hi, ill be honest i dont have a clue until we actually physically see a car. At present were being compared to a set of figures without any dynographs to back them up.
Ill be speaking to DTE tomorrow as im sure there is a reason for the lower published figures from ourselves/them,
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Look forward to hearing more, thanks.
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
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Good standard power John ! Very Impressive gains with the box though. Can't wait to take delivery of my car and add a box !
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Good standard power John ! Very Impressive gains with the box though. Can't wait to take delivery of my car and add a box !
Yes mate it is rapid fast, it is at the limits of safety in the wet. Been out tonight in the pissing rain and it is as fast as you could put through the front wheels. But fantastic
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
Sounds good, realistic as well. Are you going to post some Dyno charts?
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
Sounds good, realistic as well. Are you going to post some Dyno charts?
My mate just gave me the results and that's what it came out at. Never been than fussed about dyno charts. I knew it was kicking out that anyway with the way it drives, given the ed30 and 35 remapped. It is as good as them both and you can really tell a big difference in the wet. It would not be possible to put anymore power through the front wheels.
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JohnC - is this on a PP model?
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My mate just gave me the results and that's what it came out at. Never been than fussed about dyno charts. I knew it was kicking out that anyway with the way it drives, given the ed30 and 35 remapped. It is as good as them both and you can really tell a big difference in the wet. It would not be possible to put anymore power through the front wheels.
Any idea what the torque was mate ?
Is it still a nice smooth power delivery or a case of a huge wallop of torque which makes it feel faster??
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JohnC - is this on a PP model?
Yes mate it is the pp model.
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My mate just gave me the results and that's what it came out at. Never been than fussed about dyno charts. I knew it was kicking out that anyway with the way it drives, given the ed30 and 35 remapped. It is as good as them both and you can really tell a big difference in the wet. It would not be possible to put anymore power through the front wheels.
Any idea what the torque was mate ?
Is it still a nice smooth power delivery or a case of a huge wallop of torque which makes it feel faster??
Yes torque was 443nm. Yes it is still very smooth, but if you want to go fast then yes there is a lot of torque.
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
Sounds good, realistic as well. Are you going to post some Dyno charts?
My mate just gave me the results and that's what it came out at. Never been than fussed about dyno charts. I knew it was kicking out that anyway with the way it drives, given the ed30 and 35 remapped. It is as good as them both and you can really tell a big difference in the wet. It would not be possible to put anymore power through the front wheels.
Forgive me John, im not one to doubt you again in the same thread lol but what do you mean 'just gave me the results'?
Would've been good to see a dyno, rather see a progressive delivery especially as were fwd than just top pub talk figures. I am not in anyway suggesting that TMC arent progressive, but we'd be able to see with a dyno plot.
Also, with these boxes, what if you have a full TBE and CAI and uprated FMIC, can you adjust them to put more power through? im not talking massive, im sure the IHI can only go to 300bhp but it can be delivered in a stronger way with the right bolt-ons.
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also, found another box http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=3911
But its even more depressing that the 'current' DTUK figures.
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
what rolling road did you use :wink:
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
what rolling road did you use :wink:
Guy in hillington my mate works there.
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
Sounds good, realistic as well. Are you going to post some Dyno charts?
My mate just gave me the results and that's what it came out at. Never been than fussed about dyno charts. I knew it was kicking out that anyway with the way it drives, given the ed30 and 35 remapped. It is as good as them both and you can really tell a big difference in the wet. It would not be possible to put anymore power through the front wheels.
Forgive me John, im not one to doubt you again in the same thread lol but what do you mean 'just gave me the results'?
Would've been good to see a dyno, rather see a progressive delivery especially as were fwd than just top pub talk figures. I am not in anyway suggesting that TMC arent progressive, but we'd be able to see with a dyno plot.
Also, with these boxes, what if you have a full TBE and CAI and uprated FMIC, can you adjust them to put more power through? im not talking massive, im sure the IHI can only go to 300bhp but it can be delivered in a stronger way with the right bolt-ons.
Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
what rolling road did you use :wink:
Guy in hillington my mate works there.
ecotune :wink:
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
Sounds good, realistic as well. Are you going to post some Dyno charts?
My mate just gave me the results and that's what it came out at. Never been than fussed about dyno charts. I knew it was kicking out that anyway with the way it drives, given the ed30 and 35 remapped. It is as good as them both and you can really tell a big difference in the wet. It would not be possible to put anymore power through the front wheels.
Forgive me John, im not one to doubt you again in the same thread lol but what do you mean 'just gave me the results'?
Would've been good to see a dyno, rather see a progressive delivery especially as were fwd than just top pub talk figures. I am not in anyway suggesting that TMC arent progressive, but we'd be able to see with a dyno plot.
Also, with these boxes, what if you have a full TBE and CAI and uprated FMIC, can you adjust them to put more power through? im not talking massive, im sure the IHI can only go to 300bhp but it can be delivered in a stronger way with the right bolt-ons.
Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
Because I'm still waiting for mine to arrive lol ;(
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Just had my car checked today, without the tmc tuning box and standard form it is kicking out 239bhp and 292bhp with tuning box. And regarding adjusting the box, you can adjust it but it adds no power whatsoever it just changes the torque range
Sounds good, realistic as well. Are you going to post some Dyno charts?
My mate just gave me the results and that's what it came out at. Never been than fussed about dyno charts. I knew it was kicking out that anyway with the way it drives, given the ed30 and 35 remapped. It is as good as them both and you can really tell a big difference in the wet. It would not be possible to put anymore power through the front wheels.
Forgive me John, im not one to doubt you again in the same thread lol but what do you mean 'just gave me the results'?
Would've been good to see a dyno, rather see a progressive delivery especially as were fwd than just top pub talk figures. I am not in anyway suggesting that TMC arent progressive, but we'd be able to see with a dyno plot.
Also, with these boxes, what if you have a full TBE and CAI and uprated FMIC, can you adjust them to put more power through? im not talking massive, im sure the IHI can only go to 300bhp but it can be delivered in a stronger way with the right bolt-ons.
Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
Because I'm still waiting for mine to arrive lol ;(
Fair do's lol
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Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anyway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
It would be nice to see how the tuning box compares to the upcoming software for the platform from the usual vendors.
Do you have a crystal ball revealing this Tuning box is better than anything else? :grin:
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RE the limitations of extra power through FWD...
VW stock engine mounts and Control Arm Bushes won't help when remapping. In the past they have tended to be a little soft to reduce NVH (Noise,Vibration,Harshness).
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Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anyway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
It would be nice to see how the tuning box compares to the upcoming software for the platform from the usual vendors.
Yeah that's right crystal ball. Do you think it is a Ferrari your driving? I have driven the car mate so I can quite assure you that it is not possible to put anymore power through the front wheels as it wheelspins with the torque going through the rev band in the rain
Do you have a crystal ball revealing this Tuning box is better than anything else? :grin:
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Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anyway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
It would be nice to see how the tuning box compares to the upcoming software for the platform from the usual vendors.
Yeah that's right crystal ball. Do you think it is a Ferrari your driving? I have driven the car mate so I can quite assure you that it is not possible to put anymore power through the front wheels as it wheelspins with the torque going through the rev band in the rain
Do you have a crystal ball revealing this Tuning box is better than anything else? :grin:
no point having all that extra power to just wheelspin away :grin: :grin:
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Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anyway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
It would be nice to see how the tuning box compares to the upcoming software for the platform from the usual vendors.
Yeah that's right crystal ball. Do you think it is a Ferrari your driving? I have driven the car mate so I can quite assure you that it is not possible to put anymore power through the front wheels as it wheelspins with the torque going through the rev band in the rain
Do you have a crystal ball revealing this Tuning box is better than anything else? :grin:
no point having all that extra power to just wheelspin away :grin: :grin:
Still destroy your car mate :smiley: :smiley:
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Sorry that's the best I have mate, personally in my opinion I know what the car is doing and I don't need graphs and I am not going to pay a garage for it when I can tell by the way it drives. Sorry but you get a 30 day money back guarantee so why don't you buy it and try for yourself. If you can't tell there is a massive difference without figures then I would be amazed.
There is no box on the market or remap that will be noticeably better. And regarding torque that is going to be a major difference anyway as it is up 70nm on the mk6 before the remap.
It would be nice to see how the tuning box compares to the upcoming software for the platform from the usual vendors.
Yeah that's right crystal ball. Do you think it is a Ferrari your driving? I have driven the car mate so I can quite assure you that it is not possible to put anymore power through the front wheels as it wheelspins with the torque going through the rev band in the rain
Do you have a crystal ball revealing this Tuning box is better than anything else? :grin:
no point having all that extra power to just wheelspin away :grin: :grin:
Still destroy your car mate :smiley: :smiley:
bring it on mine is 4wd so if you want right now sounds good :wink:
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bring it on mine is 4wd so if you want right now sounds good :wink:
The Scottish boys doing a spot of willy waving :grin:
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bring it on mine is 4wd so if you want right now sounds good :wink:
The Scottish boys doing a spot of willy waving :grin:
:laugh: :laugh:
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc419/barrym381/135737d1242057942-eastern-bank-media1_zps50be1ffa.gif) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/barrym381/media/135737d1242057942-eastern-bank-media1_zps50be1ffa.gif.html)
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bring it on mine is 4wd so if you want right now sounds good :wink:
The Scottish boys doing a spot of willy waving :grin:
:laugh: :laugh:
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Haha brilliant!!
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Any more info coming out on this tuning box chat?
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Barrym381, how have things been going with your car and the tuning box? Now you've had it a couple of weeks.
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Barrym381, how have things been going with your car and the tuning box? Now you've had it a couple of weeks.
its johnc that has the tuning box :wink: my old mk4 has a proper map done by r-tech
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Ah! apologies, got confused. Johnc hows the car?
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Ah! apologies, got confused. Johnc hows the car?
The car is superb mate. I finally tried it against my mates stock r at the weekend when it was dry. He couldn't believe it was that fast, I horsed him in it with the amount of torque it has he was easily beaten.
Transforms the car into something much more enjoyable and fun when people try to get by me lol.
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http://www.wetterauer.de/index.cfm/go/produkte.datenblatt/tm_id/3925
another fairly dismal display from the continent
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Still early days lol, need to give the tuners time to develop and test.
Better to see sensible estimates than the usual fantasy figures.
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I see DTUK have had their brand new Skoda vRS on the rolling road.
Same engine as the golf GTD mk7
Standard it produced 181bhp and 385Nm
Fitted with their box = 226bhp and 490nm
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I see DTUK have had their brand new Skoda vRS on the rolling road.
Same engine as the golf GTD mk7
Standard it produced 181bhp and 385Nm
Fitted with their box = 226bhp and 490nm
Thats some impressive results, already knocks a mk6 stage 2 for six and although the dpf is probably even less restrictive than its ever been I'm sure there will be more to come with more development
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Where you seen that Snoopy? Checked their website and can't see anything.
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Facebook they only did it yesterday.
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They dynoed the stock car and got exactly 181Bhp? Output of the MK7 TDIs seem very precisely controlled by the ECU if that isn't massive coincidence. A true 226Bhp after upgrade is pretty impressive.
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They dynoed the stock car and got exactly 181Bhp? Output of the MK7 TDIs seem very precisely controlled by the ECU if that isn't massive coincidence. A true 226Bhp after upgrade is pretty impressive.
To me that just shows the dyno and dyno operator they used know what their doing and its setup reasonably accurate. Most cars on a correctly setup and operated dyno produce stock or near stock figures if not its normally the rolling road setup at fault.
For reference the rolling road used was at shark performance and im sure they had no reason to make any coincidences for a rival mapper..
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Facebook they only did it yesterday.
Cheers mate. Did they mention if it was the stage 1 or stage 2 kit?
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KyleB
No they did not say. Im sure more info will come out tomorrow as it was only posted at about 11pm last night.
I just thought it may interest mk7 owners.
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Facebook they only did it yesterday.
Cheers mate. Did they mention if it was the stage 1 or stage 2 kit?
It won't Be stage 2 as they would need to unlock the ecu to turn the dpf regen off, the boxes that offer two stages aren't really stage 2
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They dynoed the stock car and got exactly 181Bhp? Output of the MK7 TDIs seem very precisely controlled by the ECU if that isn't massive coincidence. A true 226Bhp after upgrade is pretty impressive.
To me that just shows the dyno and dyno operator they used know what their doing and its setup reasonably accurate. Most cars on a correctly setup and operated dyno produce stock or near stock figures if not its normally the rolling road setup at fault.
For reference the rolling road used was at shark performance and im sure they had no reason to make any coincidences for a rival mapper..
Having the Dyno read 181 Bhp for stock is a good reference point anyway for gains proportional to stock if nothing else. It could also mean that the old days of VW understating their engine outputs might be at an end if they do now have the level of control in the ECU to peg GTD output to 184PS and the GTI to 220PS with very little variance.
It's a pity these boxes (as with most of the competition) are sold on their mpg gains too. The only mog going up is the discrepancy between indicated (as displayed in the MFD) and actual (brim method of determination). More fuel through on any given throttle pedal press. Buy for the power gains only.
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Facebook they only did it yesterday.
Cheers mate. Did they mention if it was the stage 1 or stage 2 kit?
It won't Be stage 2 as they would need to unlock the ecu to turn the dpf regen off, the boxes that offer two stages aren't really stage 2
Or do they mean "stage 2" as in dual channel system rather than single channel (common rail only)?
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Facebook they only did it yesterday.
Cheers mate. Did they mention if it was the stage 1 or stage 2 kit?
It won't Be stage 2 as they would need to unlock the ecu to turn the dpf regen off, the boxes that offer two stages aren't really stage 2
Or do they mean "stage 2" as in dual channel system rather than single channel (common rail only)?
I know what you mean but there not really stage 2, and i didnt know if DTUK did two stages of tunes for stage 1, i know ive seen some in the past that do and ive always struggled to understand why anyone would want a lesser tune from stage 1.
Im very interested to see what a proper tdi mapper can do with the new 184 engine w/o the DPF, as i nearly didnt buy my GTi and stayed loyal to the black pump and if i have to do a shed load more miles again it will be on the horizon.
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At the weekend we headed down to Shark Performance to use their dyno, and also look at combining our knowledge to see what we could achieve..
This is an ongoing project which ill update regularly..
I posted this on another forum earlier today
talk is always good..
We've been involved with dual channel systems for VAG/BMW/MERC/Vauxhall for nearly 3 years now, intact we've been tuning the 2.0 140/170 with a dual channel system since 2009 and have dyno graphs from that engine showing a nice smooth curve and 220bhp and 443nm
the latest range of EA288 TDI engines in my eyes are a revelation, so much so i actually love driving our vRS
Getting onto the nitty gritty, we all know that tuned figures are like the lottery. Some of the claims being made are in my eyes unachievable, ok ill rephrase that and say that a high spike of bhp to hit the numbers is achievable but at the sacrifice of drivability.
As maisbitt has mentioned, he has loads of power but by the sounds of it his car is bordering on being undriveable as he is losing traction.
We've been working on software this last couple of weeks (without the dyn0) and we can give our customers an undriveable peaky map that within the dyno lottery would probably give 235bhp.. Yeah I've got 235bhp but i can't drive the car.
A true tuner wants to give their customers a tuned car that they can actually use, and this is why we differ from the competition and why we've invested over £25,000 in our own Octavia. This latest 2.0 184PS is going to be very popular, and we want to be the tuner of choice for VAG owners.
Im sure many of you have heard of Shark Performance, and i know that within the Skoda community they have a very good reputation, intact we used a shark performance STS on our own S3 and would be the inly people i would use for a remap.
So moving onto the 2.0 184PS
We did plan on going to our usual dyno based at Motoscope in Northallerton as this is the dyno we've used for the last 8/9 years and their figures are consistent.
2009 our 2.0TDI Seat Leon produced 210bhp and 443nm
2013 our TT TDI produced 220bhp and 443nm of torque
In those 4 years we have tweaked and developed the software which is what we will do with the latest 2.0TDI'S.
As this new engine is going to be shot topic we decided to goto a different dyno, and chose Shark's in Mansfield, factor in that they also have their own Octavia vRS and are interested in seeing exactly what we can offer them for their customers who don't want their edu opened up..
I will be posting a full write up on this forum and many others later this week, to summarise the results from saturday..
In standard form the vRS produced
141bhp at the wheel - 179.2 at the flywheel and 378nm of torque at 3003rpm
we dynode several files that we had written using the bum dyno, and the figures ranged from 210bhp unto 226bhp, but th torque on all of these files was sitting between 475 and 490nm.
After a day working with Ben on the dyno we created a smooth drivable file that produced
183bhp at the wheel - 221bhp at the flywheel and 489nm at 2150rpm
anybody that's anybody will agree that those figures are worthless as we could take the same car to 6 other dynos and the figures would vary for me the important thing i always look at are the % increases at the wheel as this takes away all of the correction bull.
So if you look at the 141 to 183bhp figures you'll see that they have increased by 29.7%
So if we were to add 29.7% to 184ps quoted by VAG then the expected figure we could quote on our website would be 239PS
so there we go, the unachievable figure i mentioned above is actually achievable but in reality on sharks dyno we only produced 221bhp..
I hope you guys are following where I'm going with this?
Either way we do intend to take our car to our usual dyno, and run the same files that we did on saturday and i guarantee the figures will be different.
So if youre looking for a company that is passionate about tuning cars, and are in it for the long term then you know who to talk too..
And this is before the introduction of a 3 channel system we are looking to develop with Shark Performance
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oh yeah, the dyno sheet..
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and a video..
DTUK VRS 2.0 TDI 184 PS - YouTube (http://"http://youtu.be/J-kWjfzLcfY")
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If anyone is interested I have dyno sheets from a brand new Audi s3 that's been on the dyno today..
Gains were 46bhp and 60nm..
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If anyone is interested I have dyno sheets from a brand new Audi s3 that's been on the dyno today..
Gains were 46bhp and 60nm..
So we should expect similar results for the Golf R :)
342bhp and 440nm approx. :D
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If anyone is interested I have dyno sheets from a brand new Audi s3 that's been on the dyno today..
Gains were 46bhp and 60nm..
So we should expect similar results for the Golf R :)
342bhp and 440nm approx. :D
Yeah :whistle:
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If anyone is interested I have dyno sheets from a brand new Audi s3 that's been on the dyno today..
Gains were 46bhp and 60nm..
So we should expect similar results for the Golf R :)
342bhp and 440nm approx. :D
Yeah :whistle:
Impressive gain Andrew, similar to the mk6 R mapping increase amount. Is any work being done at shark to see an improvement on the IHI turbo'd cars or are the figures your website the final ones?
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If anyone is interested I have dyno sheets from a brand new Audi s3 that's been on the dyno today..
Gains were 46bhp and 60nm..
So we should expect similar results for the Golf R :)
342bhp and 440nm approx. :D
Yeah :whistle:
Impressive gain Andrew, similar to the mk6 R mapping increase amount. Is any work being done at shark to see an improvement on the IHI turbo'd cars or are the figures your website the final ones?
There is work planned for this next week :) I'll post updates and figures once I receive them
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If anyone is interested I have dyno sheets from a brand new Audi s3 that's been on the dyno today..
Gains were 46bhp and 60nm..
So we should expect similar results for the Golf R :)
342bhp and 440nm approx. :D
Yeah :whistle:
Impressive gain Andrew, similar to the mk6 R mapping increase amount. Is any work being done at shark to see an improvement on the IHI turbo'd cars or are the figures your website the final ones?
There is work planned for this next week :) I'll post updates and figures once I receive them
At Shark? I'll be popping in to borrow their vcds on Tuesday and would be cool to see work in progress
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Hi all
Sorry for another post. I have a 2011 GTD and have the DTUK box. But am unable to distinguish the boost pressure sensor.
Can anyone post a pic of it and it's location for me? I'll give you some feedback on it performance.
Cheers
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Hi could you please post a pic of the boost pressure sensor location?
I'm having issues distinguishing it from others and location.
I have the 2011 GTD
Cheers
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If anyone is interested I have dyno sheets from a brand new Audi s3 that's been on the dyno today..
Gains were 46bhp and 60nm..
So we should expect similar results for the Golf R :)
342bhp and 440nm approx. :D
Yeah :whistle:
Impressive gain Andrew, similar to the mk6 R mapping increase amount. Is any work being done at shark to see an improvement on the IHI turbo'd cars or are the figures your website the final ones?
There is work planned for this next week :) I'll post updates and figures once I receive them
At Shark? I'll be popping in to borrow their vcds on Tuesday and would be cool to see work in progress
I'm sure Ben will. Ring you upto speed.
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Andrew, I know we chatting over PM but wanted to ask 2 questions in here which could benefit the rest of the community, 1) as you (DTE) release and tweak new maps, how do we get access to these? Can our local dealers do an "update" to the unit?
2) have you guys logged stock boost on the GTI, non PP model (boost seems much higher than the golf 6) and what does the car boost after the DTE unit is installed?
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Andrew, I know we chatting over PM but wanted to ask 2 questions in here which could benefit the rest of the community, 1) as you (DTE) release and tweak new maps, how do we get access to these? Can our local dealers do an "update" to the unit?
2) have you guys logged stock boost on the GTI, non PP model (boost seems much higher than the golf 6) and what does the car boost after the DTE unit is installed?
We've actually been working with Shark this last few weeks on a tweaked tuning system. they recently had access to Millteks Golf gti this last week and on sharks dyno the car produced 285bhp and 430nm of torque.
The only other mod was a Milltek back box, further tests will be conducted over the next few weeks then this tweaked system will be launched by ourselves and Shark, any future software updates will only be available from DTUK and Shark and will not be available via the dte systems network.
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Andrew, I know we chatting over PM but wanted to ask 2 questions in here which could benefit the rest of the community, 1) as you (DTE) release and tweak new maps, how do we get access to these? Can our local dealers do an "update" to the unit?
2) have you guys logged stock boost on the GTI, non PP model (boost seems much higher than the golf 6) and what does the car boost after the DTE unit is installed?
We've actually been working with Shark this last few weeks on a tweaked tuning system. they recently had access to Millteks Golf gti this last week and on sharks dyno the car produced 285bhp and 430nm of torque.
The only other mod was a Milltek back box, further tests will be conducted over the next few weeks then this tweaked system will be launched by ourselves and Shark, any future software updates will only be available from DTUK and Shark and will not be available via the dte systems network.
No downpipe just back box? That's good news as surely there must be more to come if that's the case
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Andrew, I know we chatting over PM but wanted to ask 2 questions in here which could benefit the rest of the community, 1) as you (DTE) release and tweak new maps, how do we get access to these? Can our local dealers do an "update" to the unit?
2) have you guys logged stock boost on the GTI, non PP model (boost seems much higher than the golf 6) and what does the car boost after the DTE unit is installed?
We've actually been working with Shark this last few weeks on a tweaked tuning system. they recently had access to Millteks Golf gti this last week and on sharks dyno the car produced 285bhp and 430nm of torque.
The only other mod was a Milltek back box, further tests will be conducted over the next few weeks then this tweaked system will be launched by ourselves and Shark, any future software updates will only be available from DTUK and Shark and will not be available via the dte systems network.
No downpipe just back box? That's good news as surely there must be more to come if that's the case
I have 445nm torque with tuning box and the car cannot handle anymore as in the wet it's very much at the limit. 4wheel drive is needed for anymore torque. And I have the performance pack and put michelin tyres on which has made a big difference as it was utter sh!te with conti tyres.
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Wonder what it'll do with a full TBE and a box!
Good results, just got to get a car to put one on!!
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Andrew, I know we chatting over PM but wanted to ask 2 questions in here which could benefit the rest of the community, 1) as you (DTE) release and tweak new maps, how do we get access to these? Can our local dealers do an "update" to the unit?
2) have you guys logged stock boost on the GTI, non PP model (boost seems much higher than the golf 6) and what does the car boost after the DTE unit is installed?
We've actually been working with Shark this last few weeks on a tweaked tuning system. they recently had access to Millteks Golf gti this last week and on sharks dyno the car produced 285bhp and 430nm of torque.
The only other mod was a Milltek back box, further tests will be conducted over the next few weeks then this tweaked system will be launched by ourselves and Shark, any future software updates will only be available from DTUK and Shark and will not be available via the dte systems network.
285bhp from a none PP mk7 GTI with only an addition of a performance exhaust? When is this available to buy?! :smiley:
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Andrew, I know we chatting over PM but wanted to ask 2 questions in here which could benefit the rest of the community, 1) as you (DTE) release and tweak new maps, how do we get access to these? Can our local dealers do an "update" to the unit?
2) have you guys logged stock boost on the GTI, non PP model (boost seems much higher than the golf 6) and what does the car boost after the DTE unit is installed?
We've actually been working with Shark this last few weeks on a tweaked tuning system. they recently had access to Millteks Golf gti this last week and on sharks dyno the car produced 285bhp and 430nm of torque.
The only other mod was a Milltek back box, further tests will be conducted over the next few weeks then this tweaked system will be launched by ourselves and Shark, any future software updates will only be available from DTUK and Shark and will not be available via the dte systems network.
285bhp from a none PP mk7 GTI with only an addition of a performance exhaust? When is this available to buy?! :smiley:
I'm hoping it's just a back box not full system for those figures, that way we can get more
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I'm not sure if their car is the 220 or 230 in standard form to be honest.
The down pipe wasn't installed at the time of testing, simply the back box
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Just checked and according to my car check the standard bhp is 218bhp
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Just checked and according to my car check the standard bhp is 218bhp
That's due to the difference between BHP and PS. A 184PS GTD is listed by most insurance companies as 181BHP.
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Correct, but I wasn't sure if the miltek car was a standard 220ps or the 230ps variant.
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Just checked and according to my car check the standard bhp is 218bhp
That's due to the difference between BHP and PS. A 184PS GTD is listed by most insurance companies as 181BHP.
Im sure Andrew will know this as hes had more cars than ive had hot dinners :grin:
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Just checked and according to my car check the standard bhp is 218bhp
That's due to the difference between BHP and PS. A 184PS GTD is listed by most insurance companies as 181BHP.
Im sure Andrew will know this as hes had more cars than ive had hot dinners :grin:
I'd be worried if he didn't, but between the lines I was saying it'll be the 220PS one and not the 230PS one. :tongue:
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I'm not sure if their car is the 220 or 230 in standard form to be honest.
The down pipe wasn't installed at the time of testing, simply the back box
Music to my ears, we'll crank 300 out of this IHI yet :smiley:
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I'm not sure if their car is the 220 or 230 in standard form to be honest.
The down pipe wasn't installed at the time of testing, simply the back box
Music to my ears, we'll crank 300 out of this IHI yet :smiley:
We have the kits in stock just waiting for them to be signed off hopefully at Autosport this next month :)
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I'm not sure if their car is the 220 or 230 in standard form to be honest.
The down pipe wasn't installed at the time of testing, simply the back box
Music to my ears, we'll crank 300 out of this IHI yet :smiley:
We have the kits in stock just waiting for them to be signed off hopefully at Autosport this next month :)
Car will be getting the BCS Powervalve system by the 11th so this is next on my list.
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Milltec is the performance pack and vw always kicks out more than the figures, was probably over 250bhp before the exhaust. The most a cat back would add would be around 20bhp certainly not 60bhp come on lol
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The Milltek Golf is a PP.....saw is getting thrashed at Silverstone a few months ago....exhaust sounds very nice! Great raspy sound without being over the top
Ian
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Milltec is the performance pack and vw always kicks out more than the figures, was probably over 250bhp before the exhaust. The most a cat back would add would be around 20bhp certainly not 60bhp come on lol
Don't know what your saying here John. I'm told the full milltek tbe adds 20bhp and after looking the the restrictiveness of the standard system at BCS I'm not surprised. Here's the plot http://m.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=1257
Thus if it can make 285 with a tuning box and a back box (that won't do feck all the bhp with the standard system in place further up) then I'm hoping a further 15/20 can still be added with the tbe in place
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Milltec is the performance pack and vw always kicks out more than the figures, was probably over 250bhp before the exhaust. The most a cat back would add would be around 20bhp certainly not 60bhp come on lol
Don't know what your saying here John. I'm told the full milltek tbe adds 20bhp and after looking the the restrictiveness of the standard system at BCS I'm not surprised. Here's the plot http://m.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=1257
Thus if it can make 285 with a tuning box and a back box (that won't do feck all the bhp with the standard system in place further up) then I'm hoping a further 15/20 can still be added with the tbe in place
Sorry thought it was just the exhaust lol. I am hitting 290bhp without any mod exhaust. I am getting a custom exhaust fitted next week so it should take me over the 300 :smiley:
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What cel you going for on the cat?
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What cel you going for on the cat?
Don't know yet mate, taking it down to him next week and see what he recommends
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So just to clarify for a complete numpty.... I buy one of these little boxes and i am looking at 255+ bhp with the equivalent increase in torque (i dont plan to change the exhaust - certainly not for a while anyway), i can remove so i don't void the warranty come service time/any faults arise? I assume a complete novice like me can fit it as well? I'm not after messing with the settings, just want it to come set up ready to go!
I know its a point others may hate me to bring up but when driven normally can i expect a slight increase in mpg as well? I have had a few cars remapped in the past and the mpg as gone 5-10%.
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I'm not sure if their car is the 220 or 230 in standard form to be honest.
The down pipe wasn't installed at the time of testing, simply the back box
Music to my ears, we'll crank 300 out of this IHI yet :smiley:
We have the kits in stock just waiting for them to be signed off hopefully at Autosport this next month :)
Car will be getting the BCS Powervalve system by the 11th so this is next on my list.
Well be releasing some before and after graphs from sharks dyno at some point as that's the only try indication of what the kit is achieving .. I know a similar set up on a dsg equipped Audi s3 saw gains of 46bhp and 60nm
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So just to clarify for a complete numpty.... I buy one of these little boxes and i am looking at 255+ bhp with the equivalent increase in torque (i dont plan to change the exhaust - certainly not for a while anyway), i can remove so i don't void the warranty come service time/any faults arise? I assume a complete novice like me can fit it as well? I'm not after messing with the settings, just want it to come set up ready to go!
I know its a point others may hate me to bring up but when driven normally can i expect a slight increase in mpg as well? I have had a few cars remapped in the past and the mpg as gone 5-10%.
Yes mate pretty much. But you will only see an mpg increase if you drive at exactly the same speed and acceleration as you did without a box, thus ruining the point of having it :smiley:
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So just to clasrify for a complete numpty.... I buy one of these little boxes and i am looking at 255+ bhp with the equivalent increase in torque (i dont plan to change the exhaust - certainly not for a while anyway), i can remove so i don't void the warranty come service time/any faults arise? I assume a complete novice like me can fit it as well? I'm not after messing with the settings, just want it to come set up ready to go!
I know its a point others may hate me to bring up but when driven normally can i expect a slight increase in mpg as well? I have had a few cars remapped in the past and the mpg as gone 5-10%.
Yes mate pretty much. But you will only see an mpg increase if you drive at exactly the same speed and acceleration as you did without a box, thus ruining the point of having it :smiley:
Doesn't really ruin the point if during your normal commute it saves a bit of fuel and then when you want it it adds a chunk of power, surely?
EDIT - Moved my comment from inside the quote.
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So just to clarify for a complete numpty.... I buy one of these little boxes and i am looking at 255+ bhp with the equivalent increase in torque (i dont plan to change the exhaust - certainly not for a while anyway), i can remove so i don't void the warranty come service time/any faults arise? I assume a complete novice like me can fit it as well? I'm not after messing with the settings, just want it to come set up ready to go!
I know its a point others may hate me to bring up but when driven normally can i expect a slight increase in mpg as well? I have had a few cars remapped in the past and the mpg as gone 5-10%.
Yes mate pretty much. But you will only see an mpg increase if you drive at exactly the same speed and acceleration as you did without a box, thus ruining the point of having it :smiley:
Cheers, i was just worried about the fitting more than anything!
Yeah i see your point in a way that with a quicker car i will drive it harder... i like to think i wont but probably will!! What i was trying to get at if i drive my car exactly the same as i do now with the odd blast here and there will i see an improvement in mpg as i did on my previous remapped cars
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You'll see an increase in indicated mpg, actual gains will be negligible or nil.
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I've found in the past with modified engines that if you cruise along in a high gear just brushing the throttle you will see gains as there's more torque at any given RPM once the turbo is spooling.
BUT as soon as you hit the gas the whole point of the tuning is that you're throwing more air and fuel in (or just fuel in a Diesel as they run at full throttle air induction all the time) so it's going to drink more.
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Cheers for the info guys. I have pm'd Andy with a few questions, will hopefully get it ordered soon as a nice little new year treat
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Anybody had one of these tuning boxes installed in a GTI and run on a dyno yet?
J
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I fitted the loom on our car today......just want a few more miles on the clock before actually fitting the box....And yes ill be taking it to a rolling road to find out what its doing. Sorry I cannot be any more help at the minute, but ill post the results when I get them
Ian
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I fitted the loom on our car today......just want a few more miles on the clock before actually fitting the box....And yes ill be taking it to a rolling road to find out what its doing. Sorry I cannot be any more help at the minute, but ill post the results when I get them
Ian
Sounds good Ian :smiley: Looking forward to seeing the results and hearing how you like it
J
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Ian, goto map 1 plus 2 :)
That's what shark used and it produced 285bhp and 430nm
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Ill keep everyone who is interested updated.....one of the connections is a right pain in the ass to fit....under the car with lower engine tray removed....right pain....but at least you get a "null plug" to connected to the loom which turns the car back to standard. I managed to get the cables fitted very neatly and hidden, so unless you go looking you wouldn't know it was there. There have been a few cases of people getting engine fault lights after fitting....apparently it is possible to get one of the plugs connected 180 degrees wrong....cannot say I had such problems and the car still starts so I guess everything is installed correctly.
Ian
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Ian, goto map 1 plus 2 :)
That's what shark used and it produced 285bhp and 430nm
On Milltek's car......also has a exhaust fitted......
Ian
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Ian, goto map 1 plus 2 :)
That's what shark used and it produced 285bhp and 430nm
On Milltek's car......also has a exhaust fitted......
Ian
It only had the back box as the down pipe had been removed for the purpose of dynoing the car :)
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if anyone is considering order this kit for their car to maybe worthwhile checking out the fitting instructions that can be downloaded from the link below.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ulmkn7j2z3erbun/vw_skoda_golf7_octavia_2.0_tsi_220_230_e.pdf
at this moment in time we are offering £80 off the full RRP on this kit but are expecting a price increase from germany later this month :(
Im available via pm, or if you would prefer to give me a call then I'm available on 01207 299538 (office hours) 0r 07977466007 (out of hours)
cheers
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Well I have taken the plunge and ordered one. Should be with me tomorrow and fitted at the weekend. I will take loads of pics of the install and maybe a video if people want.
Andrew has been really helpful and eased my concerns about fitting.
If I get time I will try and get some in gear accelation vids before and after to see what differnce these boxes make in the real world as opposed to dyno's.
Any other request let me know
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Sounds good Darlo, keep up informed :smiley: :smiley:
J
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Well I have taken the plunge and ordered one. Should be with me tomorrow and fitted at the weekend. I will take loads of pics of the install and maybe a video if people want.
Andrew has been really helpful and eased my concerns about fitting.
If I get time I will try and get some in gear accelation vids before and after to see what differnce these boxes make in the real world as opposed to dyno's.
Any other request let me know
Cheers paul,
youv got my number so please give me a call and ill go through a few things with you prior to fitting.
cheers
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if anyone is considering order this kit for their car to maybe worthwhile checking out the fitting instructions that can be downloaded from the link below.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ulmkn7j2z3erbun/vw_skoda_golf7_octavia_2.0_tsi_220_230_e.pdf
at this moment in time we are offering £80 off the full RRP on this kit but are expecting a price increase from germany later this month :(
Im available via pm, or if you would prefer to give me a call then I'm available on 01207 299538 (office hours) 0r 07977466007 (out of hours)
cheers
Andrew I am curious about something, ive just read the guide, very informative but youve just said use plus 2 to achieve 285bhp so what does the +3 do for you??
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Any other request let me know
I would be interested to know what difference it makes to your insurance premium, if you don't mind saying?
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if anyone is considering order this kit for their car to maybe worthwhile checking out the fitting instructions that can be downloaded from the link below.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ulmkn7j2z3erbun/vw_skoda_golf7_octavia_2.0_tsi_220_230_e.pdf
at this moment in time we are offering £80 off the full RRP on this kit but are expecting a price increase from germany later this month :(
Im available via pm, or if you would prefer to give me a call then I'm available on 01207 299538 (office hours) 0r 07977466007 (out of hours)
cheers
Andrew I am curious about something, ive just read the guide, very informative but youve just said use plus 2 to achieve 285bhp so what does the +3 do for you??
I'm sure Ben mentioned that the car didn't feel as strong on the dyno.
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Some feedback from a 2013 Skoda vRS TSI owner...
First of all Andrew from DTUK has been great to deal with from start to finish. Andrew was prompt to answer emails, private messages, texts and phonecalls.
Postage/Delivery: Box paid for and received the following day so no problems here
Fitting: The supplied fitting instructions appeared spot on but were a little unclear when it came to one of the connections as the picture was hard to make out. I have always serviced and modified my own cars and bikes and take a careful approach to same. As such the kit took me about 50 minutes to fit. There are 3 sensors which need connecting to the supplied loom as well as power from the cars battery. The connection to turbo feed could not be done without lifting the car IMO. I jacked car up front drivers side and removed the service tray and gained access to the last sensor. Car started with no fault lights/warnings and power visibly going to the DTUK box.
Test drive: I will be honest I didn't feel any difference for the first 20 odd miles but I do always let the car get up to temp (both water and oil temps) before pushing her on. After these 20 miles I could feel there was more torque and a sharper throttle response but I wasn't blown away having expected to feel the claimed 30bhp and 50nm torque increase.
Fettling : a number of calls and emails to Andrew it was clear he wanted to make sure everything was fitted correctly which I can understand. The majority of problems with these boxes are misfitment. I was confident I had fitted everything correctly as per the supplied instructions. After clarifying a few possible wiring issues Andrew advised me to change the settings of the box.
Adjusting the box : My first experience of adjusting a tuning box was a chip express unit for my previous motor a 240 bhp 3.0v6 diesel. This was a dial type wheel and took seconds. Upon opening up the DTUK box it was clear a little more care was needed as you remove the board from its housing to make the adjustment. So I was back on the blower to Andrew who was quick to send me a short video of the recommended method to remove board from housing. This was easy and adjustments made within seconds. You pull a jumper off pins in the board and move it as per instructions which alters the map.
Final results and thoughts : Well I won't go into numbers folks as no dyno to compare. As before I'm not interested in numbers for pub talk but wanted a noticeable improvement for my hard earned cash. I am far from dissapointed. I am actually very very impressed. Again I ran the car slowly up to temp. I will say here I have driven some fast cars in the past and a friend lets me use his 135i on occasion. This will come as a rather bold statement to some but the Vrs feels as quick as the 135i now with 300 + bhp. Throttle response is immediate and there is a little less lag than before. The car pulls a lot stronger to the red line. I didn't buy the box with any expectation of improved fuel economy. I have now covered circa 500 miles on the new settings and my mpg average is the same when driven normally and about 2-3 mpg less when driven hard which his understandable given the extra power. This car will surprise a lot of people in this output helped with its tall gearing. No issues as far as tootling about, the refinement is retained Etc. Boost is a little more noticeable noise wise when accelerating hard but I like that. I also have a k and n hi flow panel filter fitted which could be partly responsible
Conclusion : Well worth the money in my opinion. Fitting instructions could be a little clearer in parts and the box physically a little easier to adjust but Andrew was very quick to help. Andrew has mentioned some claimed figures for this setting but I will let him make those claims on this thread if he wishes. I will say the car feels every bit as strong as claimed. There is also mention of a price increase so check with Andrew if your interested.
Hope this is of help to some. Very little tuning options out there for this model. This would appear to be the cheapest and closest to home!
Edited by parsey83, Today, 22:05.
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I've received a few pms about boxes recently and wanted you guys to know that I only have 2 kits left at the pre increase price of £419 inc vat and our £80 discount..
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Think I'll wait for the new boxes next month after I put my exhaust on
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Right then spent an hour or so fitting the box yesterday. First and foremost i take my hat off to Andrew who was at the end of the phone to clear up a couple of minor issues during the install (issues which he told me about when i ordered it). I am a complete novice when it comes to tinkering with cars yet i managed to install the box in about an hour or so. Below is some pictures of my install, i have gone over the top with the pics but they sort of answer some of the questions i had when considering ordering one as i have only experienced remaps on previous cars and not tuning boxes.
So whats in the box
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You also get some cable ties, a screw head to open the box up and some stickers.
On to the install
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The top two connections are very easy to find. However the one towards the bottom front of the engine in my opinion is only accessible by jacking up the car and removing the plastic try. Like i say this may seem like a pain but its only a case of removing 10 screws, i didnt remove the whole tray i left the nearside corner in place and used it to pivot making it easier to put back
view of connection from under the car
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Now the issue is that the top two connections can be put in both ways so its important they are lined up so avoid engine management lights... simple explanation on the phone from Andrew cleared it up, clip goes the opposite side to the ridges like so.... (i sent these pics to Andrew to double check)
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Now its a case of running/securing the cables and connecting to battery (very easy) and putting stuff back on
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plugging in the box
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I triple checked everything before putting stuff back and i urge you to do the same!!
Right in regards to my findings I will start another post after this.....
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So having checked everything was as it should be i had another chat with Andrew in regards to the settings. The box arrived standard and i had obviously read the VRS review on this thread so all i wanted to do was was put it up to the settings as per the Shark performance thread. Andrew said its best to run it standard before i tinker with the settings. A little bit about my car history so you understand i have owned many different types of cars, some of which were very quick so have plenty to compare the GTI against (20+ cars in 13 years).
So i fired up the car and held my breath...... no warning lights... result!!
I drove it until oil was up to temp and headed to the lanes near my house that i been razzing round since i was 17! The roads were damp which obviously didnt help the test drive, the extra torque was evident straight away but what was nice is the car had no issues dealing with it. One of things i hated about my JCW Mini was the horrid torque steer! Third gear was good pre tuning box.... now its awesome! I gave it a good 15 min blast. The extra power isnt so evident from standing but very much is once up and running. Due to the fact i had to go to a kids party my test drive was cut slightly short and i wanted to take it down on the motorway. I am going to run on the standard map for a week and then go to +1 and see how it feels. The car feels like it can deal with more power/torque with ease but for me i want a balance of that and drivabilty whilst retaining some mpg's!! I noticed the raspy exhaust note for the first time as well which ive ever heard on reviews of the GTI!!
I did drive it later with the mrs in the car and didnt put my foot down (well apart from once and it pinned her in the seat - she was not so impressed) and the car felt no different when bimbling about and still did 30+mpg. This was the result of my test drive blast though
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So in conclusion am i pleased yes, a quick car now feels even quicker. Do i want more from the box, yes i certainly do and ive got no doubt that when i tinker i will get that but im going to patience and take my time to get what i want from it.
Questions.....
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So having checked everything was as it should be i had another chat with Andrew in regards to the settings. The box arrived standard and i had obviously read the VRS review on this thread so all i wanted to do was was put it up to the settings as per the Shark performance thread. Andrew said its best to run it standard before i tinker with the settings. A little bit about my car history so you understand i have owned many different types of cars, some of which were very quick so have plenty to compare the GTI against (20+ cars in 13 years).
So i fired up the car and held my breath...... no warning lights... result!!
I drove it until oil was up to temp and headed to the lanes near my house that i been razzing round since i was 17! The roads were damp which obviously didnt help the test drive, the extra torque was evident straight away but what was nice is the car had no issues dealing with it. One of things i hated about my JCW Mini was the horrid torque steer! Third gear was good pre tuning box.... now its awesome! I gave it a good 15 min blast. The extra power isnt so evident from standing but very much is once up and running. Due to the fact i had to go to a kids party my test drive was cut slightly short and i wanted to take it down on the motorway. I am going to run on the standard map for a week and then go to +1 and see how it feels. The car feels like it can deal with more power/torque with ease but for me i want a balance of that and drivabilty whilst retaining some mpg's!! I noticed the raspy exhaust note for the first time as well which ive ever heard on reviews of the GTI!!
I did drive it later with the mrs in the car and didnt put my foot down (well apart from once and it pinned her in the seat - she was not so impressed) and the car felt no different when bimbling about and still did 30+mpg. This was the result of my test drive blast though
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So in conclusion am i pleased yes, a quick car now feels even quicker. Do i want more from the box, yes i certainly do and ive got no doubt that when i tinker i will get that but im going to patience and take my time to get what i want from it.
Questions.....
Excuse me for the off-topic question, but how did you manage the MFD to show the "since start" measurement? I'm stuck to the "long term" which I don't want to be shown there...
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Push ok on the right hand side of the steering wheel
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Thank you GrahamFR, I found it by accident after my post, how silly of me :embarrassed:
Thank you
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I can't compete with Darlo's amazing photos and and write up but I've had a go with the DTUK box now too.
A bit about my background - I've been messing about with VW's since the late 80's from modified engine internals on elderly GTI's to remaps and suspension upgrades (plus the usual alloy wheels and other subtle but effective mods). Obviously I've been around the VW scene a long time and know lots of people who share like minded interests in buying a perfectly good car then taking it apart to make it better.
Some people do it to computers, some people do it to houses and some people like to do it to their family transport. Buy it, mess about with it, enjoy it, move on.
I'd obviously taken a lot of interest in the DTUK boxes for the TSI's as soon as I'd heard about them knowing full well that even from mk6 ECU's they were becoming harder to crack and seeing even the big German tuners looking to alternative ways of upping power and staying in business long term by keeping up with technology.
I'd experienced tuning boxes back in the late 90's and early noughties when VW had long since lost the plot with GTI's and I was running around in fuel guzzling VR6's that lacked any mid range punch unless you spend serious money on them.
Just for the hell of it I bought an ex-demo Ibiza TDI not long after they were announced and set to work on a project to make a cheap fun car in the ethos of the original GTI.
First thing that was noticed after the silky VR6 was the godawful vibrations at idle sat at traffic lights but the fuel economy and light body shell made up for that and once a decent quality tuning box was added it made a very quick cross county car that really showed up the standard chassis.
It was really hard to get sensibly priced tuning parts for the Ibiza mk2 at the time and so I went back to a mk2 GTI for a while as I was covering a tiny mileage, that was followed by another VR6 I picked up cheaply until the urge to have another play with a turbo car was too much. The Ibiza 1.8Ts were all the rage by then and I noticed a lot of owners were selling the standard parts on cupranet off these as they upgraded nearly new cars so a little plan formed. I'd build a TDI track car as tuned TDI's were still very much a minority thing until the PD engined Ibizas and Golfs arrived a couple of years later.
This next Ibiza TDI ran initially a tuning box to get the ball rolling, then bigger injectors supplied by Van Aaken who were the forefront of TDI tuning in the UK (previously to TDI's, tuning turbo Diesels just involved cranking up the fuel pump til it smoked at full acceleration then wind it back a bit til it stopped smoking - ta da! Extra power for no expense!). Then I added an UPsolute chip as I was keeping a close eye on the US forums seeing some of their craving for more power from their 90bhp TDI's.
Anyway, that's my history with tuning boxes - simple, maybe slightly crude, but effective.
After that I went for OBD remaps from the usual suppliers and I'm not talking one or two here - I change cars every other year so have chalked up quite a few from the likes of AmD, REVO, Bluefin etc on both TDI's and 1.8T's, TFSI's and TSI's.
So, I'd never consider myself an expert on anything but I do have a bit of experience under my belt.
Those that question why people modify their cars would never understand, but the average forum user will know where I'm coming from!
Anyway, to cut the waffle, I'd spoken to Andrew at DTUK and discussed the boxes a little and told him I was keen to try one. I bought a PedalBox as soon as I could as I consider this an essential modification. It makes the GTI feel so much 'lighter' to drive without affecting anything much.
Chance to try out a DTUK box came in the last week or so as a good friend of mine who I often mention on the forum is a manager at a car leasing company and is my first stop for anything info wise on cars as he has sooooo much experience of cars backed up by a huge enthusiasm for all things VAG.
Said friend had just been given a mk7 GTI on loan to trial for a while. Conveniently their insurance covers them to use third party software as they try out tracking devices and other driving monitors (spy in the cab) on their hired out vehicles.
Guinea pig vehicle sourced! My own insurance hadn't been updated and as my car has a minuscule mileage I was reluctant to try it out just yet on my own vehicle.
The car in question is a standard white 5 door GTI.
After an almost random chat with Andrew before I went out on New Years Eve I'd acquired myself a DTUK box (Andrew being very helpful and enthusiastic as ever and on call at all sorts of weird times of day and night unlike a lot of business owners - so take note potential customers as this is what stands aside a good company to deal with compared with just an anonymous internet supplier or worse still some guy who buys a load of bulk boxes and flogs them on ebay with no proper understanding of their product).
The box arrived the day after NYD which was a Friday, so a super quick dispatch, and was duly fitted on a horrible wet and very windy saturday once the car had been dropped off to me and my friend had vanished back to his family.
Now it was hardly ideal conditions for fitting something like this, in my very cramped garage once my own GTI had been moved out. It was peeing down, bad light and there was a hurricane blowing up my back freeing my builders bum! But on the flip side, if a cretin like me can fit the box in about an hour in those conditions then anyone can. And if anyone local to me buys one I'll happily help them fit it.
It does take about an hour. Firstly locating the hardest to see plug which unlike Darlo I did manage to access ok from the front of the engine (and yes, I did bleed slightly!) which is tight but doable. The other connectors are a cinch and it's all pretty idiot proof if you're patient. In fact one of the hardest things for me was getting a tidy installation on the battery terminal as I just wanted it to look factory finished with tidy cable runs as I'm fussy like that! If I get time I'll have another go at it.
Once the car went back with my friend I took the tuning box off but kept the loom on there so I can have another go with it at the weekend.
On to the bit everyone has been waiting for if they're still paying any attention - What's it like?
Initially the engine feels the same as untuned, no turbo surge and resulting torque spike that kills clutches and dump valves. Perfect!
This is on the standard setting too. Andrew says it can happily go up a notch or two via simple adjustment. Time was my enemy so I just stuck with standard.
To cut a lot of description out that 's not really necessary I'll describe the map as a bit like a Bluefin remap on a mk5 or mk6 - it feels factory smooth but just more power and torque everywhere. it's quite subtle in it's delivery but you can feel the extra oomph on part throttle and I didn't really get chance to use it on full throttle which I'd guess was a lot better again due to the horrendous stormy weather.
I think driving it in that sort of weather also throws up how well the basic chassis of the mk7 copes so very easily with the upgraded power output. It just feels like the car should have come out of the factory like this and in fact feels like it was designed for this sort of power and performance.
Too often I've seen people buy GTI's and plaster their extensive mods all over forums and then find out that it has pushed it beyond what the GTI was really about and lost sight of why they chose a GTI in the first place.
If you want a rip snorting performance car then just buy one.
A GTI is about so much more. Push it too far in any direction you lose that balance of talents.
I'm happy to report that the DTUK box just compliments the GTI's character and keeps it within the happy balance of talents. Like standard but just more everywhere. Just how it should be and belying the apparent simplicity of how the tuning box works (in theory).
And thanks to Andrew. Great service.
And thanks to next doors kitten who climbed all over me and the engine bay during installation just to make it even more difficult in the horrible weather conditions - but at least she kept me amused!!!!
I'll report back more when I get chance. Darlo's installation looks a bit better than mine so I'm going to get the car back and have another fiddle with it when I can.
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Thanks for the compliment Exonian! Excellent write up yourself - how on earth you fitted that bottom connection without going underneath I will never know!!
Funny you should post as I was planning to put an update on the box after completing 100 miles with it fitted in the standard setting.
First thing, I don't know about you guys but I found that there was little or no difference in Eco/normal/sport mode. Now with box fitted its about 2mpg better than before in Eco mode.... However now in sport mode it's 2-3 worse. No major problem for me as I now only put it in sport mode when I fancy a blast, Eco mode the rest of the time. My tank average so far is about 31/32 mpg, I've done 150 miles in this tank and so far showing 29, which isn't bad considering I have the novelty factor of the box installed. I've got no doubt it will be the same once I have calmed down!
As per previous post it just feels standard but with extra umph throughout the range. I absolutely love third gear, joining a motorway is so much more fun now! More and more pleased with the box, shame it's not easier to change the settings but I will open it up this weekend and go to plus one :evil: It feels like it could deal with more so I will find out this weekend if it can :grin:
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Great feedback guys, and I'm pleased youre happy with the kits :)
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Our partners in Germany have just recently dynod a 2014 Audi S3 that shares it's heart with the Golf R
301 bhp in standard form, and 353 bhp using our updated FSR+ system, this kit is now available from ourselves and Shark for the Golf GTI.
This updated system is upgradeable and Shark will be releasing updated files for a stage 2 Golf GTI using a Milltek exhaust within the coming weeks.
standard 2014 Audi 8V S3
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/ABYSS69/ABYSS69020/S3BEFORE_zpsc66d7233.jpg)
tuned
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/ABYSS69/ABYSS69020/S3AFTER_zps1edfe254.jpg)
This kit is now available from us, and the usual member discounts apply too.
http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_r-2.0-tsi-300-ps-(2013-
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/ABYSS69/ABYSS69019/FSR_zps3509bcd0.jpg)
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Andrew, do you have anymore details in terms of cost, power and torque on an FSR+ box on a GTI performance pack??
Couldn't see anything specific on your site
Cheers
Jeff
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Andrew, do you have anymore details in terms of cost, power and torque on an FSR+ box on a GTI performance pack??
Couldn't see anything specific on your site
Cheers
Jeff
Jeff,
are you looking for a stage 1 tune or do you have plans to add an exhaust etc?
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Probably just stage 1 at this time, although I assume that this would be flexible if I wanted to add an exhaust,filter etc at a later date??
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Probably just stage 1 at this time, although I assume that this would be flexible if I wanted to add an exhaust,filter etc at a later date??
Yes, this is where the shark expertise will come into play as stage 2 development is currently underway
We're current offering £80 off the full RRP on the FSR+ so you're looking at £569 inc vat
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Probably just stage 1 at this time, although I assume that this would be flexible if I wanted to add an exhaust,filter etc at a later date??
Yes, this is where the shark expertise will come into play as stage 2 development is currently underway
We're current offering £80 off the full RRP on the FSR+ so you're looking at £569 inc vat
So just so I'm clear on this Andrew, if I want an adjustable box that I can use to take advantage of a full exhaust system and future induction kits (although I'm told the standard box is a massive improvement on the mk6 so maybe just a panel filter is the way to go) then this is the box to go for but there is just a normal simple box if I don't want to add hardware, but if I buy that I would have to purchase the box all over again if I changed my mind? If that's the case I'll probably future proof it and pay the extra over now, please let me know if thats about right?
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Probably just stage 1 at this time, although I assume that this would be flexible if I wanted to add an exhaust,filter etc at a later date??
Yes, this is where the shark expertise will come into play as stage 2 development is currently underway
We're current offering £80 off the full RRP on the FSR+ so you're looking at £569 inc vat
So just so I'm clear on this Andrew, if I want an adjustable box that I can use to take advantage of a full exhaust system and future induction kits (although I'm told the standard box is a massive improvement on the mk6 so maybe just a panel filter is the way to go) then this is the box to go for but there is just a normal simple box if I don't want to add hardware, but if I buy that I would have to purchase the box all over again if I changed my mind? If that's the case I'll probably future proof it and pay the extra over now, please let me know if thats about right?
That's correct Graham. But moving forward were planning on only offering the FSR+ on future applications
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Gotcha Andrew, looking forward to cranking up some serious power out of my car, bcs have confirmed dates so will be dropping off this Saturday and picking up Friday after then Off to shark Saturday after!
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Gotcha Andrew, looking forward to cranking up some serious power out of my car, bcs have confirmed dates so will be dropping off this Saturday and picking up Friday after then Off to shark Saturday after!
Can't wait to see and hear this Graham, make sure you post some pictures and videos!
J
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Gotcha Andrew, looking forward to cranking up some serious power out of my car, bcs have confirmed dates so will be dropping off this Saturday and picking up Friday after then Off to shark Saturday after!
Can't wait to see and hear this Graham, make sure you post some pictures and videos!
J
No doubt BCS's own pics will be better than mine but i will put up some stuff no doubt on that.
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The Milltek GTI is currently on the dyno with the latest DTU/Shark FSR+ system :whistle: were hoping to see the magic 300 number later today.
As soon as i have some feedback ill start a new thread.
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The Milltek GTI is currently on the dyno with the latest DTU/Shark FSR+ system :whistle: were hoping to see the magic 300 number later today.
As soon as i have some feedback ill start a new thread.
Is this just a test and results to be published today then or are you just doing the development at the moment and it could be a while?
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The Milltek GTI is currently on the dyno with the latest DTU/Shark FSR+ system :whistle: were hoping to see the magic 300 number later today.
As soon as i have some feedback ill start a new thread.
Is this just a test and results to be published today then or are you just doing the development at the moment and it could be a while?
today is the first day Graham, but i can confirm that the number 3 followed by 2 others has already been seen on the dyno today :) At one point Ben ran me and i thought he was half way through a BJ lol
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The Milltek GTI is currently on the dyno with the latest DTU/Shark FSR+ system :whistle: were hoping to see the magic 300 number later today.
As soon as i have some feedback ill start a new thread.
Is this just a test and results to be published today then or are you just doing the development at the moment and it could be a while?
today is the first day Graham, but i can confirm that the number 3 followed by 2 others has already been seen on the dyno today :) At one point Ben ran me and i thought he was half way through a BJ lol
This is very good news Andrew, i'd be targeting close to 4 with the Golf R then :smiley:
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Andrew, it is all getting a bit confusing in this thread now. Could you start a new one with expected power outputs with which each tuning box and stage. Also, please expand on the stages, if you could define your stages that would be great.
J
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Andrew, it is all getting a bit confusing in this thread now. Could you start a new one with expected power outputs with which each tuning box and stage. Also, please expand on the stages, if you could define your stages that would be great.
J
yeah i shall be doing that once we've finalised the current job in hand.
The original CRD-P kit will give approx 280bhp and is stage 1 capable only.
The updated DTUK/Shark FSR+ system developed with is 280/290 stage 1 and is also capable of a stage 2 tune of 300+
Once we have some figures ill start a new thread as this one is way too long and confusing for me and I'm sure everyone else.
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Andrew, it is all getting a bit confusing in this thread now. Could you start a new one with expected power outputs with which each tuning box and stage. Also, please expand on the stages, if you could define your stages that would be great.
J
yeah i shall be doing that once we've finalised the current job in hand.
The original CRD-P kit will give approx 280bhp and is stage 1 capable only.
The updated DTUK/Shark FSR+ system developed with is 280/290 stage 1 and is also capable of a stage 2 tune of 300+
Once we have some figures ill start a new thread as this one is way too long and confusing for me and I'm sure everyone else.
Get that 320bhp dyno plot and get it plastered everywhere, you'll be selling these like hot cakes :smiley:
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Andrew, it is all getting a bit confusing in this thread now. Could you start a new one with expected power outputs with which each tuning box and stage. Also, please expand on the stages, if you could define your stages that would be great.
J
yeah i shall be doing that once we've finalised the current job in hand.
The original CRD-P kit will give approx 280bhp and is stage 1 capable only.
The updated DTUK/Shark FSR+ system developed with is 280/290 stage 1 and is also capable of a stage 2 tune of 300+
Once we have some figures ill start a new thread as this one is way too long and confusing for me and I'm sure everyone else.
Get that 320bhp dyno plot and get it plastered everywhere, you'll be selling these like hot cakes :smiley:
Well hopefully have some concrete figures within the next week, but it's going to be worth the wait I'm sure :)
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Just as a follow up to my own experience with the box, to recap: previously I'd borrowed a GTI to fit the loom and box to and ran it briefly in bad weather and heavy traffic. The car was obviously more eager under acceleration but still as docile as stock when not 'on it'. I think I said this was how the car should have been from the factory as the chassis and brakes could easily cope with the upgrade with masses of room to spare such is the competence of the chassis.
Well the car came back to me briefly yesterday and I had a spare hour before I had to work in the evening and it was just a case of removing the blanking plug from the loom which had been left in the car (I wasn't completely sure how well the loom would hold up as I'd fitted it in pretty poor weather conditions albeit in a dry garage with the door open to let in natural light and I used 'natural' runs in the engine bay keeping the loom as far away from anything it might rub on as I could but I didn't put any cable ties in as I was pretty confident I'd fitted it in a way that there would be no movement for ease of removal again as it wasn't my car).
I'd asked Andrew @ DTUK some rather obvious questions to make sure I'd taken in the info in the first place properly and double checked how to remove the circuit board which Andrew sent me an idiot proof video within seconds of asking which says it all about Andrew I think.
Then as recommended, I put the box to the settings Ben @ Shark had recommended before Xmas and refitted the box in seconds.
So, off to find a nice big steep hill on a bit of fast dual carriageway to test out the new output - my theory is that anything can go quickly on a bit of flat straight road but a nice big hill with lots of bends and a bit of speed will sort the men out from the boys in the go department!
It was throwing it down with rain, cold, fairly heavy traffic - ideal!
What can I say - the car is still as docile as ever off boost, totally smooth and has none of the hiccups and coughs as the dump valve struggles to cope with masses of extra boost just as the turbo starts its main spool around 2000rpm. Nope, if there is one big benefit of these boxes mirroring the factory mapping and just amplifying it, it's that the power delivery is just as smooth and progressive - only more - lots more!
The mid-range is awesome now. You'd never know it was mapped from the delivery but it just shoots up steep motorway slip ramps. The XDS copes with it completely in even awful conditions, no traction issues and the chassis just shrugs it off.
Now I wasn't trying to be a racing driver, all speeds were pretty much not going to raise an eyebrow of a traffic cop unless he was having a particularly bad day at the office. But it was enough to get a pretty darn good insight into how much better the car felt.
After all, to me the ability to do 200 mph is irrelevant as I don't drive outside of the UK. The benefit to me of a remapped car is not how fast it will go balls out but more how much more fun it is to drive at five tenths, six tenths or thereabouts.
And that's the thing. I think if a standard car is driven very hard it will wear things far more quickly than a remapped car that's driven sensibly with a bit of sympathy.
Another thanks to Andrew for the top service.
I didn't want to give the car back after that!