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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Sootchucker on 15 April 2013, 22:37
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Can someone confirm this please. Am looking to order the GTD this week after negotiating some good discounts with my usual dealer.
One of the things I'm having problems with is the winter pack (which we've specced on our last 4 VW's). As the wife isn't too keen on the jacara tartan cloth, she has persuaded me to go with leather.
Now as the GTD also come with Xenons with headlight washers and apparently according to the specs, low washer fluid warning, and the leather seat package comes with heated seats, am I right in assuming the only thing Winter pack would give me extra would be the heated washer jet nozzles (hardly a deal breaker) ?
Or would I be missing anything else by not choosing it (I assume the leather does still come with seat heating as standard ?)
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Yes, you're right. Leather seats are heated as standard; xenons include headlight washers and low fluid warning. The only add-on you would get with the winter pack would be heated washer jets - a lot to pay for just that!
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Invaluable in winter.
Up here anyway.
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Damn, I bought the winter pack because I thought it gave a heated front screen - wasted my money then!
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Damn, I bought the winter pack because I thought it gave a heated front screen - wasted my money then!
Just phone your dealer and take it off - you can change your spec up until the point where the car is being built I think.
As for the heated jets - all sounds very good, but if the Mk7 is anything like the Mk 6, 5 & 4 then in the winter the water gets frozen so makes the heated part redundant as it won't squirt water!!
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That has just saved me £260! Hated washer jets, I had assumed the windscreen was heated (like on my old Fiesta ST) £260 / £1.50 antifreeze spray should last me a few winters!
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As for the heated jets - all sounds very good, but if the Mk7 is anything like the Mk 6, 5 & 4 then in the winter the water gets frozen so makes the heated part redundant as it won't squirt water!!
You need a stronger screenwash mix then.
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Thanks all. Oh and believe me, if the Winter pack had come with the heated windscreen, I'd have specced it in a heartbeat. However AFAIK, this isn't even an option in the UK is it ?
And yes, the heated washer jets on my old MK5 Golf and current Scirocco have still frozen in the winters despite being heated and running a healthily strong washer fluid mix, so I don't think it's something I'll really miss.
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As for the heated jets - all sounds very good, but if the Mk7 is anything like the Mk 6, 5 & 4 then in the winter the water gets frozen so makes the heated part redundant as it won't squirt water!!
You need a stronger screenwash mix then.
That'll teach me to use the cheap sh1t from Tescos! :laugh:
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As for the heated jets - all sounds very good, but if the Mk7 is anything like the Mk 6, 5 & 4 then in the winter the water gets frozen so makes the heated part redundant as it won't squirt water!!
You need a stronger screenwash mix then.
That'll teach me to use the cheap sh1t from Tescos! :laugh:
VAG stuff only in mine! :cool:
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It would make sense to include the heated screen in the winter pack.
Hopefully thats a MY14 change!
Dave
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So how do you get a heated front screen then, it's not an option and not included in winter pack.
It is not standard either, is it?
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You don't. Its not an option by the looks of it.
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Not an option in the UK, yet.
It is in Ireland and rest of Europe.
Dave
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Anyone know when or if it's coming to the UK?
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I've called them twice about it, spoke to two different customer care reps, who in turn each spoke to the sales and marketing department for me. Both times, they said the same thing - it is currently under consideration for the UK market, but they cannot say if/when it will be available and at what cost. I would assume that if you had a car without it, and then it became available, it would be something that could be retro-fit and at worst, simply wired into the existing heated rear screen switch. Time will tell...
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I sent them a message about it recently via their web site. Their response:
Each country determines what options will be appropriate for their market based on data from previous models. The heated windscreen option is not offered within the UK at this time due to a forseen [sic] lack of demand for this option. I will pass on your comments which will be taken into accont [sic] in the future.
Presumably there was no demand for the option for the Mark 6 as it wasn't an option at all.
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Who are they asking?? Based on the replies on this thread nearly everyone would spec it! I know I would, is the best (only) thing about a having Ford!!
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Who are they asking?? Based on the replies on this thread nearly everyone would spec it! I know I would, is the best (only) thing about a having Ford!!
I'd certainly have one fitted - in winter it's an absolute god-send. Side windows rarely freeze up as bad, so you just, start the car, put the window and seat heating on, scrape the sides, and off you go. I've written since and asked that they make it an available option, especially as the technology is already there!
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It seems bizarre that Ireland - where the weather is presumably not that different from ours - gets the option and the UK - where they must surely sell more cars - doesn't.
Heated front screen is the one thing I would really have liked on my Mark 6 GTD, especially after a winter like the one we've just had.
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I would also choose a heated front windscreen in an instant.
The rear one is heated, but that's not as important as the front one, I find, because more often than not I'm going forward in a car!
It seems a very odd omission.
Customer: "Here VW, have yet more money from me"
VW: "No!"
Customer: "Boo!"
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Is the VW screen the same as the Ford ones?
I found in the sun I could see all the wires in the screen and it was like looking through a grid.
If it is then I would do without.
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I found the wires (on a Mini) quite noticeable when I first got the car, but after a while, I stopped seeing them.
A small price to pay for the added convenience, IMHO.
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No, that's the beauty of the VW one if we ever get it, unlike the Ford Quickclear windscreens which rely on very thin heating wires embedded in between the 2 glass laminates, on the VW the whole of the transparent laminate itself is electrically charged so not only clears the whole windscreen but no wires at all.
Like everyone else has said, if available, this would be the first item on the shopping list for me.
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Who are they asking?? Based on the replies on this thread nearly everyone would spec it! I know I would, is the best (only) thing about a having Ford!!
+1 on that, I had it on a Mondeo estate (dog car) and it was ace!
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Perhaps we should start a Facebook group "VW Bring Heated Windscreen To GTI/GTD lololololol".
<shudder>
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Here's a reply I got today from VW:
Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding the availability of the option of a heated screen in the Volkswagen Golf Mk7. Please accept my apologies for the delay in our response.
I am delighted to learn of your interest in Volkswagen and particularly the Golf 7. At the moment, we currently have no official
date to confirm when the option will become available. However, we expect confirmation if this will be available around the end
of May 2013.
Gotta' be honest, I know it sounds petty, but I am tempted to cancel my order and wait to see if this option becomes available. If it doesn't, fair enough, but if it was getting built and then it became an option, I'd be a bit annoyed! lol Grrrr...!
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So, the response you got today is totally different from the one I got yesterday. Do the different parts of VW UK actually talk to one another? Or do they just make things up?
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I must admit, in addition to writing to them, I've called twice previously. Each time, a different person has spoken to sales/marketing for me, and each time the response was along the lines of "it is current under consideration for the UK market, but can't say if/when it will be available". Who knows eh?!
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The heated screen is one of the options I am going to miss on my Focus ST. It's totally brilliant in icy weather, just press the button and a few minutes later, voila! a defrosted screen. Never needed to carry a de-icer :laugh:
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OK guys, I just had a phone call from VW UK. The woman said that they can now confirm that a Heated Front Windscreen IS an option, BUT, it comes at a cost...
£285
PLUS
You also need to order it in conjunction with a £310 advanced telephone preparation option, that provides a cradle for your phone... Bit of a scam really, but there ya' go, that's what she has been told.
£595 for a heated front screen then...spendy, but on reflection I know I'll regret not getting it.
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I just cancelled the winter pack option.
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hmmm, i think i would have to get the heated screen, i also had one on my Focus St..
But you have to order it with a phone cradle ... :rolleyes:
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Why the hell would the heated windscreen require a phone cradle? That's absurd.
Had One on my Fiesta for £100, can't see a good reason why we should have to pay £600.
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Why the hell would the heated windscreen require a phone cradle? That's absurd.
Had One on my Fiesta for £100, can't see a good reason why we should have to pay £600.
No idea mate. VW said it's something to do with an aerial being integrated or something - doesn't make sense to me, nor does it make sense to anybody I've spoken to at VW Customer Care or my dealership! Basically, it's a £600 option...ridiculous.
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I had a look at the Passat price list, you can order a heated windscreen for £145 and it doesn't require any special phone option. Bizzarly you do need to spec £270 heated seats though.
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Yeah it's crazy - I wouldn't mind, but the "useless to me" £310 extra phone prep also comes with a cradle mounted on the dash which I don't like the sound of - spoils the looks completely. Major error or VW's part this one. Instead of making it a sub £200 option, they charge £285 for it PLUS a mandatory £310 unrelated option.
OK, so I believe the heated windscreen technology is different in this new one, so might be why it costs more. In the Passat it is much like the Ford version with the thin wires, whereas this new one appears to be a clear conductive sheet laminated between the two layers of glass.
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Cheers, that explains the difference then. I thought the Passat one would be the same as the Golf's.
I was wondering about this phone cradle. It would be handy to know for sure if it is on the dash. It would be better if it was in the centre console under the arm rest like in some other cars. A cradle on the dash is a bit old fashioned.
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I agree, on the dash is really a bit old-hat. Still so much to learn about the standard spec and all these options!
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No idea mate. VW said it's something to do with an aerial being integrated or something - doesn't make sense to me, nor does it make sense to anybody I've spoken to at VW Customer Care or my dealership! Basically, it's a £600 option...ridiculous.
Maybe the new windscreen blocks out the phone signal hence why you have to get an integrated aerial!! That would make sense.
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Maybe the new windscreen blocks out the phone signal hence why you have to get an integrated aerial!! That would make sense.
Yep, that makes total sense, but only if those who only want Advanced Phone Prep get told they must spec it with the Heated Screen (which is crazy). There is a separate shark fin aerial on the roof for stuff like that, and should not rely on an a phone aerial embedded into a heated screen. There is either more to it technically, or is just a scam.
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Will have to find out more on the cradle before adding the option, dont want a big halfords style block sticking out from the dash like the sales rep has here at work.. :cry:
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Maybe the new windscreen blocks out the phone signal hence why you have to get an integrated aerial!! That would make sense.
Yep, that makes total sense, but only if those who only want Advanced Phone Prep get told they must spec it with the Heated Screen (which is crazy). There is a separate shark fin aerial on the roof for stuff like that, and should not rely on an a phone aerial embedded into a heated screen. There is either more to it technically, or is just a scam.
Also, what is wrong with the signal passing though the unheated side windows? Anyway to block a microwave signal you need a Faraday cage, which it sounds like the new windscreen is specifically designed to be less like than the old one.
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Will have to find out more on the cradle before adding the option, dont want a big halfords style block sticking out from the dash like the sales rep has here at work.. :cry:
Same here, no way I'm having a cradle screwed into the dash that will never get used. If it's a lay-down cradle in the arm-rest or something, that's different
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Well my mole at VW customer services....alight Jimmy, has just called back after mentioning to him about the climate windscreen when speaking to him earlier. He said after investigation with marketing, that it is indeed due to the additional radiated interference that would disrupt the phone signal in the car, and so it therefore needs to be routed through the cars aerial (which is part of the upgraded phone package). So a chocolate fish to p3asa :grin:
However, when asked why on the Irish price list for the GTi/GTD, it seems to allow you to spec the heated windscreen on its' ow, in fact the Irish price list just says:
HEATED AND INFRARED REFLECTING WINDSCREEN €350
Heated laminated glass
Note: Available from week 15/13
To that, he didn't unfortunately have an answer ?
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Well my mole at VW customer services....alight Jimmy, has just called back after mentioning to him about the climate windscreen when speaking to him earlier. He said after investigation with marketing, that it is indeed due to the additional radiated interference that would disrupt the phone signal in the car, and so it therefore needs to be routed through the cars aerial (which is part of the upgraded phone package). So a chocolate fish to p3asa :grin:
However, when asked why on the Irish price list for the GTi/GTD, it seems to allow you to spec the heated windscreen on its' ow, in fact the Irish price list just says:
HEATED AND INFRARED REFLECTING WINDSCREEN €350
Heated laminated glass
Note: Available from week 15/13
To that, he didn't unfortunately have an answer ?
I just wonder why the phone aerial can't be integrated as part of a nav package though? If you use the Irish configurator, and spec a heated screen, it says you need either the phone prep or pro nav. Now, I'd rather not have to pay pro nav money as I'm not bothered about nav either, but I'd consider the basic nav over phone prep any day.
Anyway, it is what it is...although I don't see how it can render a phone useless. It should be up to the person buying the car whether they want to take that risk or not.
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I don't see how it can render a phone useless.
Me neither. Something isn't adding up here. Perhaps its just a VW UK vs VW EIRE difference of opinion... that still makes one (or both) of them wrong though!
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Will have to find out more on the cradle before adding the option, dont want a big halfords style block sticking out from the dash like the sales rep has here at work.. :cry:
There is no longer any need for a clumsy mobile phone holder on the dashboard, and there is no critical exposure to radio waves in the interior of the vehicle.
http://www.volkswagen.com.sg/en/technology/technical-glossary/mobile-phone-preparation--premium.html
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Will have to find out more on the cradle before adding the option, dont want a big halfords style block sticking out from the dash like the sales rep has here at work.. :'(
There is no longer any need for a clumsy mobile phone holder on the dashboard, and there is no critical exposure to radio waves in the interior of the vehicle.
http://www.volkswagen.com.sg/en/technology/technical-glossary/mobile-phone-preparation--premium.html (http://www.volkswagen.com.sg/en/technology/technical-glossary/mobile-phone-preparation--premium.html)
But the standard one does most if not all of that, so whats the benefit of the premium?? :-\
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And also for those people like me with iPhones, they don't support Remote Sim Access Profile.
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And also for those people like me with iPhones, they don't support Remote Sim Access Profile.
Everyone has an iPhone....right?? :laugh:
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How can VW supply a cradle for your phone or is it just the connection to a cradle? Although I think very few phones have cradles nowadays.
I have the Audi Mobile Preparation High in my car and with that comes an integral aerial that the phone automatically connects to via RSAP. It also displays texts on the MMI and allows you to send ready made templates. It turns the car into a wifi hot-spot. It allows the nav to use Google Earth with Google Street-view, connects to the internet to bring the news and weather reports and also give details about you current location. You can also use it to look up destinations via Google.
So if it has some or all of those features then it will certainly be worth it.
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Given how many people use iPhones, can't see why they are still pushing the rSap standard. Any phone that supports it basically becomes useless as soon as it is active as you lose the data connection on the phone.
That means no emails on the move, whatsapp, nothing apart from SMS and phonecalls. It is pretty pants in my opinion. I've got it in my Scirocco and used to use it when I had a Nokia phone. Was constantly switching bluetooth off and on to disconnect it from the car so I could download emails, very annoying actually.
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Will have to find out more on the cradle before adding the option, dont want a big halfords style block sticking out from the dash like the sales rep has here at work.. :'(
There is no longer any need for a clumsy mobile phone holder on the dashboard, and there is no critical exposure to radio waves in the interior of the vehicle.
http://www.volkswagen.com.sg/en/technology/technical-glossary/mobile-phone-preparation--premium.html (http://www.volkswagen.com.sg/en/technology/technical-glossary/mobile-phone-preparation--premium.html)
But the standard one does most if not all of that, so whats the benefit of the premium?? :-\
Google says the following:
VW Standard (Its this one which has an optional cradle!)
http://en.volkswagen.com/en/innovation-and-technology/technical-glossary/mobiltelefonvorbereitung.html
VW Premium
http://en.volkswagen.com/en/innovation-and-technology/technical-glossary/mobiltelefonvorbereitungpremium.html
Audi terminology (which I assume uses the same technology behind the dash)
http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/a4/a4-saloon/audio-and-communication/mobile-phones.html
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Given how many people use iPhones, can't see why they are still pushing the rSap standard. Any phone that supports it basically becomes useless as soon as it is active as you lose the data connection on the phone.
That means no emails on the move, whatsapp, nothing apart from SMS and phonecalls. It is pretty pants in my opinion. I've got it in my Scirocco and used to use it when I had a Nokia phone. Was constantly switching bluetooth off and on to disconnect it from the car so I could download emails, very annoying actually.
The external antenna should give much better reception, especially for GSM1800/1900 networks (handsets on these network typically have much LESS transmit power, compared to GSM900).
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For those that have not specced leather, is the winter pack a must have? I'm having arguments with myself as to whether I should have ordered it or not. Do you guys think its good value for the money? :undecided:
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For those that have not specced leather, is the winter pack a must have? I'm having arguments with myself as to whether I should have ordered it or not. Do you guys think its good value for the money? :undecided:
Nope, it's not great value, but then few options are! I want heated seats so you just have to stomach it :grin:
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£350 for heated seats and heated washer jets (bi xenons already give you the low washer warning) isn't cheap but when its freezing cold and your rear end is like toast you'll be glad you got it. It's also something that's a pain in the rear to try and retro fit!
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For those that have not specced leather, is the winter pack a must have? I'm having arguments with myself as to whether I should have ordered it or not. Do you guys think its good value for the money? :-\
Nope, it's not great value, but then few options are! I want heated seats so you just have to stomach it ;D
It seems if you want anything warm in this car you have to pay a silly amount of money for it?! :D
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It would certainly seem that way! :grin:
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I rang up and removed the winter pack from my GTD today.
For some reason I thought it included a heated windscreen, which I have on my Cooper S and it's brilliant when it's frosty. Anyway it turns out I was mistaken.
I already get the heated seats as i've opted for Leather upholstery, and washer jets as the car already has Xenons. And i'm not paying £260 for a heated washer jet system, isn't that what anti-freeze is for??
Instead I've gone for the reversing camera option. £100 cheaper and actually useful.