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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Diamond Hell on 08 April 2013, 13:50
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Just thought I'd get in before anyone else did.
Ev'rybody's gotta go some time.
Normal service on your FB/Twitter/Newfeeds will resume in about a week.
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Queue incoming Thatcher jokes....
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I would try to pretend I care..but I don't
Horrible lady
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I don't think I care....
...nope...I definitely do not care.
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Another public holiday that i'll have to work :sick:
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http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/
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First Jimmy Saville then Margret Thatcher.
It's certainly been a good year for minors.
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First Jimmy Saville then Margret Thatcher.
It's certainly been a good year for minors.
Both were good friends too. She was the head figure of a paedophile infested government. Although she has gone now, the paedos still remain.
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Who?
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Ironically, Thatcher died because the hospital she was at was understaffed.
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she f**ked everything up that was good in the country, and while i wouldnt wish death on anyone i can say i wont miss her.
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I have never in my life been happy at the news of someone's death.
Today I am overjoyed.
Evil,evil person.
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Ironically, Thatcher died because the hospital she was at was understaffed.
:grin:
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I have never in my life been happy at the news of someone's death.
Today I am overjoyed.
Evil,evil person.
Why?
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Huge North/South divide on my FB about this.
Disgusting what some people say. Should be f**king well ashamed of themselves.
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No.
That person destroyed millions of lives.
Plain evil.
Many, many parties going on tonight.
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No.
That person destroyed millions of lives.
Plain evil.
Many, many parties going on tonight.
Millions of lives...pray tell..... was yours one of them?
EDIT - PS how the feck can loads of people who weren't even BORN when Thatcher was PM Be such a bunch of cnuts about an old lady's death?
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I was brought up in North England.
I saw first hand the devastation that person caused.
Many, many times over.
Evil.
The Wicked Witch is Dead.
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I was brought up in North England.
I saw first hand the devastation that person caused.
Many, many times over.
Evil.
The Wicked Witch is Dead.
Yeah i think some in the North really need to get over it. Or get educated about it, one of the two
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I was brought up in North England.
I saw first hand the devastation that person caused.
Many, many times over.
Evil.
The Wicked Witch is Dead.
Yeah i think some in the North really need to get over it. Or get educated about it, one of the two
Yer northerners, could you all please get over the collapse of industrial and social stability that many of your family's faced in the 1980s and stop looking at what is still to this day is reflected through severe social deprivation in many areas - work hard and just pay the bloody poll tax council tax on your sh!tty band c terraced house.
I think that covers all bases :rolleyes:
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As much as she took my milk away from me in school and yes she did make a lot of bad judgment calls it does boil down to the fact that someone has lost a member of there family.
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The Wicked Witch is Dead.
I think that just about covers all bases.
Can't wait for the download. Or vinyl
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Yeah i think some in the North really need to get over it. Or get educated about it, one of the two
What about those of us in the south who think flogging off public assets to your mates for dirt cheap prices is disgusting?
Should we get educated, or get over it? I'm confused.
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I'm Northern. And educated.
No thanks to that evil person.
Happiest day of my life for a long time.
Public holiday?
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90% of the people that I have seen slating her were not even born when she was in power. If she affected you personally, yes, be angry. But, she hasn't been in power for many years now, how is it going to make any difference that she is dead.
Other than her family being upset?
Wish people would grow up and stop jumping on band waggons.
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I'm to young to comment on this, however people having parties over a death seems completely wrong.
She's hardly Saddam Hussein!
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I've got a lot of time for most of what Mrs Thatcher stood for.
Work hard and make something of yourself, and you'll do well. Or sit on your arse and wait for handouts that you think you should be "entitled" to and make do with just getting by.
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I've got a lot of time for most of what Mrs Thatcher stood for.
Work hard and make something of yourself, and you'll do well. Or sit on your arse and wait for handouts that you think you should be "entitled" to and make do with just getting by.
Tell that to the miners :whistle:
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Yeah i think some in the North really need to get over it. Or get educated about it, one of the two
What about those of us in the south who think flogging off public assets to your mates for dirt cheap prices is disgusting?
Should we get educated, or get over it? I'm confused.
This.
What some people don't seem to understand is the decisions she took affect all of us today, and in a big way.
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What about the South and South Wales Miners? Not just you Northerners affected!
I agreed with her in part that the Unions needed controlling but she went way too far!
She also sold off all the Utilities which is why we are now paying through the nose for our Water/Gas/Electric.
Plus the Pole Tax!
She also gave all the revenue from North Sea oil and gas back to the oil companies.
Then there are the Yuppies and that kind of society add to that giving the Banks free rein etc.
She was THE worst thing that happened to this country!
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I wasn't born in when she ruled, so my opinion won't stand up to well, but to my knowledge people hate Thatcher and Tories because of 3 reasons: Their parents vote for labour, they were ex miners or their family were or because they don't vote.
Any government that came into power would of had to close mines back then. Just the same as any that came to power in the last general election would of had to make these cuts.
A gvt will never please everyone, only do, well should do, what is best for the majority.
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No the Tories only ever do whats right for the rich. Or companies that support them (with contributions)
Nice tax cut for those earning 150k and above for example.
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^^ Lets stop there shall we.
I just find it disgraceful some of the things are saying. She is a national treasure and should be respected in life & death.
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She should have been hung drawn and quartered as far as I'm concerned!
She destroyed this country.
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She destroyed communities encouraged everyone to adopt f*** every one as long i`m ok attitude.
So why should i care that she is dead..
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^^ Lets stop there shall we.
I just find it disgraceful some of the things are saying. She is a national treasure and should be respected in life & death.
National Treasure :grin: :grin:
What planet do you come from :undecided:
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She encouraged everyone to adopt f*** every one as long i`m ok attitude.
So why should i care that she is dead..
So your attitude is, who cares if she's dead, I'm ok. :grin:
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Wow as if Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead is number 8 in the iTunes chart!
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo329/sgthead/e5ae5749-ca3b-4597-8c8a-37ec1b3a59a0.jpg)
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I wouldn't even if that pic is fake, if it is real then that is a shame.
Narrow sighted people being distasteful.
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It's definitely real I just screen shot it myself
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Where are all the conservative voters? I thought this forum was conservative :lipsrsealed:
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Where are all the conservative voters? I thought this forum was conservative :lipsrsealed:
You mean where are all the southerners?
I am not a a Thatcher hater or particular lover, but too many people jumping on this band wagon of hate for no reason when not understanding even what PM stands for.
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Where are all the conservative voters? I thought this forum was conservative :lipsrsealed:
You mean where are all the southerners?
I am not a a Thatcher hater or particular lover, but too many people jumping on this band wagon of hate for no reason when not understanding even what PM stands for.
I think most people young and old understand what Thatcher stood for.
Saying that, i still can't join in the celebrations.
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Im spending the night looking after her body in london :lipsrsealed:
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I remember the rubbish piled up 10 feet high on the streets, I remember being sent home from school when the teachers went on strike, post office on strike, miners, trains on strike, buses on strike, Ford on strike, shipyards on strike, IRA bombings etc etc etc.
I remember my area getting better through the 80's, my folks buying their house off the council with money from my dads start up business and shares he bought and sold.
We definitely benefited from her government.
I cant say what she did for the north of the UK, I did not live there.
I am not a Tory
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Huge North/South divide on my FB about this.
Disgusting what some people say. Should be f**king well ashamed of themselves.
agree Jord, totally agree.
she picked up a sh1thole of a country that was in ruin after the 70's and was a very very strong leader for our nation, ok she might not have made decisions that were popular or indeed correct, however, a lot of what she instigated would have happened anyway and she just made it happen sooner, which, as it turns out was probably for the best.
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She was the last politician with the courage of her convictions and the guts to say what she meant and do what she said she was going to do, the trade unions were bloated and corrupt and were running amock through british industry, bringing the country to its knees.
I don't agree with a lot of her policies but i do wish we had someone of her caliber in charge of this country today.
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Those on here, that are old enough to remember just how dismal the seventies were, will know just how bad it was, first hand!
Raging inflation, Power cuts, the 3 day working week (because the Trade Unions were controlling Coal supply! and efforts had to be made to conserve fuel!... imagine that today!) Mountains of refuge dumped in the streets, Industry completely crippled by Trade Unions, and a complete lack of foreign manufacturing companies definitely not wanting to invest... why would they! This list, that is a British disgrace goes on and on. Decades later. we have no Car manufacturing to speak of, Car production is now pretty much all Foreign owned, companies are now happy to do business, now the Trade Unions are out the way! The rest have gone, Austin, Morris, Rover, Triumph, Daimler, again the list goes on, and on.
Nationalised Industries, Coal, Steel, Rail etc etc were literally hemorrhaging money, for many different reasons, and not forgetting our beloved "Welfare State" was now in full swing
Britain was a sh!thole, in a big mess, being run by overpowered Trade Unions
Yep, this country was just fantastic before Thatcher came along!
Thom
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Correct Thom.
This shows why far left politics are a failure.
Today we are seeing why the far right is failing in a different way, but just as badly.
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i'm not old enough to have experienced it but from what i see/am told, if i a politician does nothing, or does everything slowly they are hated and branded lazy and useless, if a politician acts swiftly and harshly making strong decisions like she did, they are hated, whatever you do as a politician is going to upset SOMEBODY but i don't think its fair to wish death on her just for being the only politican with the bollocks to do anything (ironically) although it may not have always been for the best...
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Well being in the Forces, I have much respect for the Lady. I was born whilst the Falklands was going on, (started 31 years ago last week for those that don't know) and my Uncle was in the Navy also. Family had much respect for the fact the she realised our Armed Forces were on the brink of collapse, (much the same as they are now actually) and took necessary action to ensure we are still on the global power map, being only one of seven recognised states with a Nuclear capability. Without this bargaining chip, we would probably be thought of in terms of Economic power, something akin to Spain/Portugal/Greece.
We moved with the times ffs, is mining for coal really big business now, No! We would have been left behind and not progressed. It would have happened a few years down the line regardless, but those that were affected are still bitter and were in that mindset where they wouldn't look at the bigger picture.
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Those on here, that are old enough to remember just how dismal the seventies were, will know just how bad it was, first hand!
Raging inflation, Power cuts, the 3 day working week (because the Trade Unions were controlling Coal supply! and efforts had to be made to conserve fuel!... imagine that today!) Mountains of refuge dumped in the streets, Industry completely crippled by Trade Unions, and a complete lack of foreign manufacturing companies definitely not wanting to invest... why would they! This list, that is a British disgrace goes on and on. Decades later. we have no Car manufacturing to speak of, Car production is now pretty much all Foreign owned, companies are now happy to do business, now the Trade Unions are out the way! The rest have gone, Austin, Morris, Rover, Triumph, Daimler, again the list goes on, and on.
Nationalised Industries, Coal, Steel, Rail etc etc were literally hemorrhaging money, for many different reasons, and not forgetting our beloved "Welfare State" was now in full swing
Britain was a sh!thole, in a big mess, being run by overpowered Trade Unions
Yep, this country was just fantastic before Thatcher came along!
Thom
Yes you are correct to a point.
The Unions definitely needed sorting but she went too far.
Yes the Mining industry was costing us a fortune but what did it cost to have all those men out of work?
Plus not earning so not spending!
Rail - yes it was costing a lot. But she sold it off to a private company that then did no maintenance on the infrastructure. Then it had to be brought back and only now are we catching up on those missed years!
Yes she was a great politician I give her that and she did good with the Falklands, but the bad she did outweighs that for me.
She is held up as a champion for women but she didnt have many women in her Cabinet!
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Len, I only mentioned what the country was like before she was in power! Not after she was elected, you tell me, what the hell was the alternative! The country was dead, the general public were sick to death of the nation on strike, it needed sorting! If it was a bloke that was elected, i doubt most people wouldn't be able to even remember his name!
Thatcher made mistakes, but don't they all...
Thom
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What I don't get is, if she was so great, why do the majority population despise her? You talk to a British person abroad or in the UK then 70% will say something negative. Surely that's not a great sign of a supposed great leader?
I can't comment on her because I wasn't around, but basing things I've heard regarding Thatcher over many years growing up and the present, the things said were majority of the time negative
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Len, I only mentioned what the country was like before she was in power! Not after she was elected, you tell me, what the hell was the alternative! The country was dead, the general public were sick to death of the nation on strike, it needed sorting! If it was a bloke that was elected, i doubt most people wouldn't be able to even remember his name!
Thatcher made mistakes, but don't they all...
Thom
Is the country not still dead ? It matters nothing who is in power they all f**k us in the end :cry:
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Thom
I dunno mate but she is famous for some very bad things in my opinion. As I have listed.
I mean she was famous for saying this lady is not for turning. What about the Pole Tax?
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What I don't get is, if she was so great, why do the majority population despise her? You talk to a British person abroad or in the UK then 70% will say something negative.
Do the majority really despise her, or is it just a vocal minority who are heard?
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What I don't get is, if she was so great, why do the majority population despise her? You talk to a British person abroad or in the UK then 70% will say something negative.
Do the majority really despise her, or is it just a vocal minority who are heard?
I would say it's the vocal minority,the press, praising her.
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Didn't read whole thread but I'm pretty happy I know pretty much next to nothing about her when I hear about things like this. People call me stupid but I just simply couldn't care any less.
Life's a b!tch and so are people in power. Get over it.
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You should care because, as outlined by the current PM today, she drew lines on a political map which are still being followed today.
That's not a good thing.
Let's talk about quantitative easing, which is currently screwing things up.
Let's talk about 'free market economy' which is still syphoning wealth out of the country.
Let's talk about Conservative councils who are still selling off our publicly owned assets on her model.
I could go on, but apparently you're thick and won't read things, so educating you would be a job too tough for me.
It's her legacy which is poisonous, which is why it needs discussing, to help people understand why we're still on a dangerous trajectory.
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It's her legacy which is poisonous, which is why it needs discussing, to help people understand why we're still on a dangerous trajectory.
This comment sums up the conservatives.
The conservatives are interested in helping big business, they do not care about ordinary people.
If you are sick, old, poor, out of work, or just out of luck, then they will let you rot.
Most the people that vote them in are the same, they don't care about anyone but themselves.
Thatcher started the rush for greed in the 80's, some people think that's great.
I laugh when i read comments about labour and the economy, i remember how bad things got in the early 90's, my parents nearly lost their house, interest rates hit 15%, absolutely crazy. Getting a job was very very difficult in the early 90's, i spent 2 years only able to get temporary work, a week here, a week there. This cycle is being repeated today.
I won't celebrate anyone dying, but Thomas sums it up, a PM who was just plain poisonous.
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You should care because, as outlined by the current PM today, she drew lines on a political map which are still being followed today.
That's not a good thing.
Let's talk about quantitative easing, which is currently screwing things up.
Let's talk about 'free market economy' which is still syphoning wealth out of the country.
Let's talk about Conservative councils who are still selling off our publicly owned assets on her model.
I could go on, but apparently you're thick and won't read things, so educating you would be a job too tough for me.
It's her legacy which is poisonous, which is why it needs discussing, to help people understand why we're still on a dangerous trajectory.
Still not interested. No government will fix anything therefore not interested.
Get work, pay tax and that's where it ends for me I'm afraid.
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You should care because, as outlined by the current PM today, she drew lines on a political map which are still being followed today.
That's not a good thing.
Let's talk about quantitative easing, which is currently screwing things up.
Let's talk about 'free market economy' which is still syphoning wealth out of the country.
Let's talk about Conservative councils who are still selling off our publicly owned assets on her model.
I could go on, but apparently you're thick and won't read things, so educating you would be a job too tough for me.
It's her legacy which is poisonous, which is why it needs discussing, to help people understand why we're still on a dangerous trajectory.
Still not interested. No government will fix anything therefore not interested.
Get work, pay tax and that's where it ends for me I'm afraid.
Ah! Apathy! Installed by Labour after Tony Blair won the top job, If you believe in hard graft Josh, and steering well clear of claiming benefits wherever possible, and thinking its OK for the Labour to borrow even more money, that is impossible to pay back, you may well of just played straight into Labours hands... Please, have an opinion one way or the other!
Thom
Thom
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You should care because, as outlined by the current PM today, she drew lines on a political map which are still being followed today.
That's not a good thing.
Let's talk about quantitative easing, which is currently screwing things up.
Let's talk about 'free market economy' which is still syphoning wealth out of the country.
Let's talk about Conservative councils who are still selling off our publicly owned assets on her model.
I could go on, but apparently you're thick and won't read things, so educating you would be a job too tough for me.
It's her legacy which is poisonous, which is why it needs discussing, to help people understand why we're still on a dangerous trajectory.
Still not interested. No government will fix anything therefore not interested.
Get work, pay tax and that's where it ends for me I'm afraid.
Ah! Apathy! Installed by Labour after Tony Blair won the top job, If you believe in hard graft Josh, and steering well clear of claiming benefits wherever possible, and thinking its OK for the Labour to borrow even more money, that is impossible to pay back, you may well of just played straight into Labours hands... Please, have an opinion one way or the other!
Thom
Thom
Not a clue, all I know is I'll never make a change. One day I'll attempt to show some interest, way too busy to even think about it ATM.
All I think is 20% earnings straight into a deposit account and keep up with VAT.
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My thoughts are this:
ALL politicians are liars. Show me one that claims they don't lie and I will show you a liar.
Some are just better at it than others. I haven't trusted any politician I have met nor do I trust those I have seen on the tv trying to talk in "soundbyte speak" so they appear to appeal to everyone. Cameron, Milliband, Clegg - they're all awful.
Whichever one appears to have the more appealing policies at the time is the one that gets my vote. It's not about left or right parties anymore - it's who can occupy the most of the middle ground and can slime their way past the cameras... :lipsrsealed:
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My thoughts are this:
ALL politicians are liars. Show me one that claims they don't lie and I will show you a liar.
Some are just better at it than others. I haven't trusted any politician I have met nor do I trust those I have seen on the tv trying to talk in "soundbyte speak" so they appear to appeal to everyone. Cameron, Milliband, Clegg - they're all awful.
Whichever one appears to have the more appealing policies at the time is the one that gets my vote. It's not about left or right parties anymore - it's who can occupy the most of the middle ground and can slime their way past the cameras... :lipsrsealed:
I tried that at the last election, based my vote on my favoured policies. Within 6 months uni fees went UP to £9k, Building schools for the future was scrapped and a big increase in rail fair saw three key parts of the lib dem manifesto turn out to be complete and utter lies.
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So...
ALL politicians are liars. Show me one that claims they don't lie and I will show you a liar.
Let's simplify that. ALL people are liars. If you believe there is one person out there who tells the truth the whole time then you're fooling yourself. People and politicians should pledge to do their best, because that's all you can do.
I tried that at the last election, based my vote on my favoured policies. Within 6 months uni fees went UP to £9k, Building schools for the future was scrapped and a big increase in rail fair saw three key parts of the lib dem manifesto turn out to be complete and utter lies.
And there is the problem any incoming government/council faces, if there is a change of administration: you never know what's 'in the bottom draw' until you walk in the office. As with the outgoing Labour government - the outgoing Treasury Secretary left a note saying 'I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left.'. How do you keep to manifesto promises on that basis? You can't. Better to say you'll do your best with what's available and you'll deliver the people a strategy once you've walked in and seen the mess left from previously.
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What really gets me is we have heard absolutely nothing about her for 10 years or more.
Now she is dead its Thatcher this, Thatcter that!
One thing I didnt know was that her son Mark Thatcher is a Sir! Shows you, you have to be a crook to get a title!
MT has been living in the Ritz Hotel for the last 3 or 4 years. I bulk at paying 40 odd quid to go and have an afternoon tea there! ( I probably will treat the wife one day). But that just shows you what a different world she lived in.
I also remember interest rates of 15% not just in the 90's. That started in the 80's and was certaintly at that level in 1985 when I worked for a House builder.
Not caring what Politicians do that affects our lives is being an Ostrich.
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Not caring what Politicians do that affects our lives is being an Ostrich.
I care what affect it has, just couldn't care less about past. All I care about to be quite honest is present and future.
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Present and future is almost entirely based on the past, numbnuts.
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So she's dead. How does that affect me?
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:rolleyes:
For the purposes of this conversation, the only effect it will have on you is that there will be some odd stuff on TV in the next week.
I think that's your level.
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So she's dead. How does that affect me?
The choices and legacy she left behind affect us today. Take an example, WW2, many people despise the Germans for their past and happily call them names under this prejudice. Yet the modern generation never had any involvement, yet the prejudice remains.
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Well put.
I understand not everyone agreeing with her political agenda at the time etc etc, the thing that got me was being hideously disrespectful. There are still horrible things being said about her, some level par with with some things said about Hitler, and those two are not in the same category!
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What's disrespectful is not understanding the genuine hatred some people have who were actually and very significantly affected by the decisions she and her cabinet made.
There are two side to every tory and just because you hold a certain belief doesn't make it right either way.
Respect is something that's earned and a significant portion of the decisions she made were not respectful of many communities.
I recommend if you think she demands respect that you read up some more.
It is also politically sensitive that she's croaked under a month before local elections and the government are spraying a bunch of state money out on her funeral.
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10 million pounds spent on her funeral apparently.
If this is true then it is a disgrace.
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"There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher, 1988
"There is no such thing as Margaret Thatcher" - Society, 2013
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The waste of taxpayers money is genuinely sickening, however i do wish we have politicians now that are as commited to their party and the message instead of the constant roundabout of face saving and issue avoidance.
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I was not old enough while thatcher was in power
I was speaking to a work colleague few days ago
He supported her he benefited in the army
And the mines were getting money ploughed into them
And not making profit that's why they were closed trying to make me
Understand now I have been reading this thread lol alot of bad decisions also
I am from the north its not nice that she died but I ain't throwing a party.
I think Blair is a big blame putting us in the euro without a vote
Politicians are idiots I laugh when they make animal noises
All arguing in the commons sound pathetic
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I think Blair is a big blame putting us in the euro without a vote
Eh?
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I've just watched Question Time on BBC1, and with an open mind at that... I'll stand by my thoughts that she was right for the country at the time, considering the state it was in!
Well worth catching on BBC iPlayer after tomorrow
Thom
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I think Blair is a big blame putting us in the euro without a vote
Eh?
Erm, how many euro's you got in your pocket?? :huh:
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So she's dead. How does that affect me?
The choices and legacy she left behind affect us today. Take an example, WW2, many people despise the Germans for their past and happily call them names under this prejudice. Yet the modern generation never had any involvement, yet the prejudice remains.
Ah, well put. Then again couldn't care less about the Germans back in WW2 in the sense I'd still have hatred towards Germans. Never affected me and Germans today aren't gassing us.
I guess I just don't care about what I wasn't alive for.
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So she's dead. How does that affect me?
The choices and legacy she left behind affect us today. Take an example, WW2, many people despise the Germans for their past and happily call them names under this prejudice. Yet the modern generation never had any involvement, yet the prejudice remains.
Ah, well put. Then again couldn't care less about the Germans back in WW2 in the sense I'd still have hatred towards Germans. Never affected me and Germans today aren't gassing us.
I guess I just don't care about what I wasn't alive for.
Why do you hate the Germans? What have they done to you in your lifetime? And of course it affected you! The little bubble you live in could have been completely different had Germany won the war.
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Bit strange to be 'hatin' the Germans on a Volkswagen based car forum.
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I think Blair is a big blame putting us in the euro without a vote
Eh?
Erm, how many euro's you got in your pocket?? :huh:
I word things crap. alot of people up this way say Blair is a big blame by putting us in europe
It costs billions to be in it. The public did not want it but he put us in anyway and now we are
Bailing other county's out and the flood gates were open to anyone living here
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I've just watched Question Time on BBC1, and with an open mind at that... I'll stand by my thoughts that she was right for the country at the time, considering the state it was in!
Well worth catching on BBC iPlayer after tomorrow
Thom
An open mind? You're blue through and through!!!
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Those that hate Germans are the ones that have had no real interaction with them. Again, being in the Forces has opened my eyes, having worked alongside them, and also been out for a few beers with them too! They are extremely professional and Efficient in the working environment, and as far as I'm concerned, they have the best Navy in the world, closely followed by the Dutch. (Yanks are in my bottom three by the way!). They are also very warm and friendly as a whole, and very respectful, not like the stereotypes the likes of Bellend is probably thinking that steal your sunbed on holiday!
Look at the the amount of white Brits you see around town now though. 15 year old girls with a kid in a pram, a fag in one hand and a bottle of cider in the other, shouting and swearing at OAPs and the like. Dregs of society that seems to be getting more and more common by the day!
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I agree with Audi on this I come from a mixed background, my dads English, but his mother was polish, my dad moved to Russia, then Kazakhstan, then back here. We have many friends and family members from various parts of the world as they branched out to other countries. My sister in laws family have a long line of German history, I've been Germany many times as some extended family and friends live there. But to stereotype them in that way is just being naive. Typically if anything the Germans in general are efficient, skilled and resourceful, even if they seem to have not such a flexible humour.
Most places you go people will meet you with open arms in any country or culture but its usually a minority or a stereotypical view that ruins things.
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alot of people up this way say Blair is a big blame by putting us in europe
Are you some some sort of moronic troll?
The UK has been in Europe since 1975.
Please do some reading before opening your mouth and letting idiotic words fall out of it, wot you heard down the pub.
Here is your starter for 10:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975
As for the billions the EU costs the UK, have a browse over here and maybe you will get a better understanding of that, too:
http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296
Blair did many things, but entering the UK into Europe was not one of them. :rolleyes:
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Yes that was another great Tory leader - Edward Heath that took us into Europe and got us shafted on the terms of entry.
But then he was well used to being shafted and entered!
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alot of people up this way say Blair is a big blame by putting us in europe
Are you some some sort of moronic troll?
The UK has been in Europe since 1975.
Please do some reading before opening your mouth and letting idiotic words fall out of it, wot you heard down the pub.
Here is your starter for 10:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975
As for the billions the EU costs the UK, have a browse over here and maybe you will get a better understanding of that, too:
http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296
Blair did many things, but entering the UK into Europe was not one of them. :rolleyes:
I ain't getting into anything more on this I ain't a moron I don't follow the politics just from what you said heard down the pub and off politic followers ill have a look on the links to get clued up on it
I can't argue on something I ain't 100% sure on and especially your posts I read when your answer people lol.
What I was told before was Blair signed something to do with the EU without a vote
Also illegal immigrants had something to do with him
And the afgan war should not of happened but I won't listen in future :undecided:
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The vote is when you elect them!
Once you have voted them into Parliament they have "the peoples mandate" so can do what they like without reference back to us The People.
Vote for UKIP mate then you might get a vote on Europe.
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Would you believe I've never voted. :lipsrsealed:
I don't really follow politics myself but I don't really seen vote making a blind bit of difference.
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This is why England needs MMP: http://youtu.be/QT0I-sdoSXU
I say England as Scotland and Wales are already using AMS which is pretty close.
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alot of people up this way say Blair is a big blame by putting us in europe
Are you some some sort of moronic troll?
The UK has been in Europe since 1975.
Please do some reading before opening your mouth and letting idiotic words fall out of it, wot you heard down the pub.
Here is your starter for 10:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975
As for the billions the EU costs the UK, have a browse over here and maybe you will get a better understanding of that, too:
http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296
Blair did many things, but entering the UK into Europe was not one of them. :rolleyes:
I ain't getting into anything more on this I ain't a moron I don't follow the politics just from what you said heard down the pub and off politic followers ill have a look on the links to get clued up on it
I can't argue on something I ain't 100% sure on and especially your posts I read when your answer people lol.
What I was told before was Blair signed something to do with the EU without a vote
Also illegal immigrants had something to do with him
And the afgan war should not of happened but I won't listen in future :undecided:
Blair promised a vote on Europe and then went back on it, just like DC will.
Blair opened the doors to migration as a way of boosting the economey without tackling the difficult issue of making able folk work instead of claiming dole, something which will be very hard with a low minimum wage and our consumer driven lifestyle....(can run a Mk4 on benefits but not on £6 ph :grin:)
Blair sent us into Afgan, which out of the two wars we entered was the most just as there really was a threat from the terrorists who trained there, unlike Iraq which was to subvert Irans growing power in the region and make the Saudi's a little more comfortable.
I cant actually think of a leader which the whole country agree was good.....even Churchill has some terrible skeletons in his closet.
Suffice to say that in the 70's the UK was in a state and for a time it got better under Thatcher, but like most politics it turns bitter eventually through lack of change and political desire to gain further terms in office. New labour rode in on promises of something new but just kept on with conservative policies which gave us a "boom and bust" economey, something that they campaigned against and said they would not do.
Out of all the leaders of this country during my life time at least she did what she said she would, get caught with her pants down or palm off her speeding points etc etc.
I always thought John Smith would have been a good PM, guess we will never know.
I blame Oliver Cromwell for all this.
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John Smith was the best PM we never had. Maybe.
Here's a jolly article about just how good Thatcher was for the UK:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/mark-steel-you-cant-just-shut-us-up-now-that-margaret-thatchers-dead-8568785.html
There were a lot of people who she didn't make things for and the people are the country ergo she didn't make the country 'better'. She sucked money out of the poor and delivered it to the rich. Unfortunately as you outlined, those following in her footsteps have continued to do the same. Twas not always that way - see Clement Atlee for further details.
Would you believe I've never voted. :lipsrsealed:
Yes. :rolleyes:
I don't really follow politics myself but I don't really seen vote making a blind bit of difference.
Just to clarify (aside from the poor sentence construction), you don't follow politics, so by not following it you wouldn't have seen how voting for something you believe in might make a difference if like-minded people got elected.
Your argument is astonishingly self-defeating.
Go on - try voting in the upcoming local elections (if they're happening in your area in May). Understand what the candidates stand for and then take a few minutes out of your day to put a tick in a box of the person who represents most closely what your believe in.
At least then if someone you vote for doesn't get elected and the public services in your area aren't any good (you know - things like rented accommodation conditions management) then you have the authority to say 'they're useless, but I didn't vote for them'. If the person you vote for DOES get in and you have a problem then you have a mandate to pick up the phone to them and air your concern, ending with '...and I bloody voted for you!'
It's empowering.
When you stop and think about how many services local government provides you will be surprised at just how much of your life it touches on, funds and regulates.... although Thatcher and her ideaologies have tried to offload as much of that into the private sector as possible, so we can fund corporate bonuses for large and foreign companies straight out of our Council Tax..... good eh?
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That short story was very compelling. I feel like I now know more, but I would need to look into it further and try understanding what it all means before considering who to vote for.
I'm not even sure when elections are taking place in my area!
Poor sentence construction has been my thing for many years. :grin:
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When you stop and think about how many services local government provides you will be surprised at just how much of your life it touches on, funds and regulates.... although Thatcher and her ideaologies have tried to offload as much of that into the private sector as possible, so we can fund corporate bonuses for large and foreign companies straight out of our Council Tax..... good eh?
Again this.
If the conservatives get back into power in 2015, the NHS and our roads will be next to be privatised.
People need to think carefully about this.....
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If the conservatives get back into power in 2015, the NHS and our roads will be next to be privatised.
Too late :cry:
http://www.islandroads.com/
Playing 'spot the gaps' as a private company is busying itself failing to deliver statutory public services at the moment.
Kirk, if you're not registered to vote, do it here for your area: http://www.southsomerset.gov.uk/councillors-and-democracy/elections/electoral-registration/
It will improve your credit rating among other things, if you haven't bothered before!
Your local elections ARE May 2nd, as outlined here:
http://www.southsomerset.gov.uk/councillors-and-democracy/elections/somerset-county-council-elections/
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Clement Atlee is the father of our modern nation, the political sleep walking post WW1 and the new europe post WW2 inspired a change we all still reap the benefits from.
Its all well and good pointing out the failings and future policies of incumbent or inheriting governments, but what feasible alternatives are there in UK politics?
Even if we had a party which could deliver a fair, just and profitable nation there would be a large portion of the country against it due our political system, and large chunk of populace too apathetic to vote for it.
There is not one party fully fit to run the UK, its easier to maintain the status quo and stick new coat of paint on the same sh1t which in turn is what folk are happiest to put up with.
Who here would pay 50% income tax to rebuild the nation? (that's another 25% off your current take home)
BOT, this is why I think so many people now look at Thatcher as a good leader, she did buck the trend and stick to her guns.......
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When i reached eighteen years old my father told me "if you don't vote then you can't complain"... rest his soul.....
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Well worth a watch... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rwy5l/Question_Time_11_04_2013/
Thom
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It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried - Winston Churchill
One of his famous quotes, google it, etc if you don't believe me.
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I didn't like the women but I certainly wouldn't rejoice at her passing. My dad, god rest his soul, hated the women. I remember being in my teens and every time he saw her on tv, his blood boiled. I guess you do follow your parents beliefs, but from what I remember, she made it fairly hard for most working class families. Now, I'm not just talking people who got benefits etc I'm talking about the average working man or woman, like my parents. Hard working, never had any benefits of any sort, but still struggled.
If I tried to sell you your own car, what would you say to me ? You'd tell me where to go, but she privatised a number of companies that were already state owned. Who benefited from that ? People who had money and could buy the shares in the first place. Unfortunately, that wasn't my family. If the government said to you now, we're going to privatise RBS you'd rightly tell them to go away as you already own a part of it.
As for the miners, she f**cked them big time. Yes the unions had too much power at that time, but she turned that screw so tight she made it very hard for a number of families for a year. These were ordinary people that had no choice but to go with what their union said because the alternative was unbearable. These families had no money, no income and no form of supporting themselves for over 12 months. The government put that pressure on them because they wanted to make a point with the unions. How is that acceptable in a civilised society ?
Finally, Hillsborough (as in the football disaster), she was part of the cover up for that and it's caused pain and anguish to a number of families for 24 years and for that alone she will never be forgiven. Please dont anyone say that she wouldn't know about the cover up as you seriously can't believe that the prime minister didn't know what the south yorkshire police were up to when she had been in bed with them a few years previously kicking the sh1t out of the miners.
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A lot of skeletons are rattling right now, i reckon they'll rattle a bit louder once she's gone up in smoke.
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They're just starting to come out as the 30 year rule lets classified information out of the closet.
Falklands was this year - plenty more fireworks to come in the next few years.
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waste of taxpayers money and there want a memorial, when will it end
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I laugh at politics. I still cant believe some people think its beneficial to them when in reality all it serves is big corporate interests. Our government, and most around the world do not care a jot about the people, they just want them to take what their given and shut up. What bothers me however is the constant liks to corruption and especially child abuse that most seem to turn a blind eye about. How about Thatchers close relationship to Jimmy Saville, surely that is a more important issue. Did she know? Dis she assist? An investigation was carried out in 1999 (Operation Ore) by the Britains National Criminal Intelligence Service and by 2003 had begun compiling reports on certain individuals within british politics just as Blair issued a D-Notice which stopped the details of the investigation being published. So basically while their is even a slim chance our country has been, and still is being, run by animals there is no point in thinking a saviour will arise out of the political system. Doesn't matter if they are guity, but even covering up such horrific actions makes them rotten to the core.
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http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/14/the-margaret-thatcher-museum-plans-for-permanent-memorial-to-iron-lady-unveiled-3615186/
:sad:
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What I don't get is, shes's history, I can understand a memorial for someone in power such as prime minister or monarch. But her? She's past tense and its not a significant figure like Churchill.
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I agree Jamo, politics and politicians suck balls end of.
I just wish we had a real person to run the country and not some pleb who does what his party or the media wants
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I agree Jamo, politics and politicians suck balls end of.
I just wish we had a real person to run the country and not some pleb who does what his party or the media wants
I've often thought cameron looks a bit like a cyborg..
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I agree Jamo, politics and politicians suck balls end of.
I just wish we had a real person to run the country and not some pleb who does what his party or the media wants
I've often thought cameron looks a bit like a cyborg..
Its because he's a fake. Underneath that dippit exterior lies pure evil. Even Tony Blair, now thats one painted on face he has right there. Also dour pussed Gordon Brown, that smile was generated by a tazer attached to his nuts. Scummage.
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The collapse of things were not her fault it was only gonna happen anyway... As alot of said, get over yourselfs! :wink:
She did alot of good too which people forget, like being able to buy your council home. If she was in power today we wouldn't be over run with immigrants :wink:
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she made it possible to leave school and go straight on the dole. Happy days!!
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She's not really dead.
That coffin was full of coal.