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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: CJA321 on 17 May 2012, 13:19
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Okay so iv bought a AUM 1.8t will all driveshafts gearbox engine and all the rest to do the conversion. Gonna give it a bash and see how i get on.
What i want to know is do you need the ABF gearbox or will the box for the AUM work as the engine also comes with shafts and engine mounts and gearbox, just wondering as may save sourcing the rest of the bits.
Cheers
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mk4 box will fit fine 02j is the same physical size as the 02a (dont take this as gospel but im 99% sure its correct), people go for the 02a as the ratios suit the mk3 better in general
brad is using an 02j in his so I'm sure he will be along shortly to confirm :) It may be worth getting another box though depending which 02j one you have as gearbox ratios can make quite a drastic difference to the engine performance
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Right okay, i did think this.
Its just iv read you need ABF Mounts, Hydro and Box. But seeing as the engine iv bought comes with all this, was hoping they would work as you have confirmed.
Going on this, I do assume that the o2j mounts will be okay then, and ABF will not be needed?
But as youv said, if the ABF is better suited, i'll run that. Or do you run the o2j with a different final drive or something?
Save me going out and buying a doner anyway :tongue:
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Mk3 driveshafts will be fine and the mk4 box will fit, but you will need the mount brackets from a ABF car mate
im switching to a mk4 box which is exact same ratios as the mk3 16v box but I'm swapping final drive out to a VR6 one for longer top end and I'm also fitting the Wavetrac LSD (Expensive)
iv also got Audi TT short shif and MK4 gear selectors which need modification to fit mk3
for easy and simplicity, you would be best just to fit the full 16v mk3 set up. (you could still use your mk4 box, just use the other bits from a ABF - may alos need the Tower from the gearbox of the 02A if u do this
you will need the ABF hydro parts really as the mk4 ones are different shape piping but it could all be made to fit, iv just not done it (the MK3 abf Slave cylinder on the gearbox fits the Mk4 box too)
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I think for the simplicity and option of getting some money back, i'll just get a 16v doner then if thats what you recommend.
And sell on the mk4 box try make some money back from that too, thanks for the advice
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Or would it be wiser just to buy an ABF box with mounts? Or do you actually need the brackets on the chassis? Just suming up my options :wink:
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All this talk of conversions is making me wanna do one? :angry: :cool:
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All this talk of conversions is making me wanna do one? :angry: :cool:
I got really lucky with an engine tbh... Couldnt say no :evil:
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All this talk of conversions is making me wanna do one? :angry: :cool:
I got really lucky with an engine tbh... Couldnt say no :evil:
Nice! Just looking at donor cars on eBay :lipsrsealed:
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All this talk of conversions is making me wanna do one? :angry: :cool:
I got really lucky with an engine tbh... Couldnt say no :evil:
Nice! Just looking at donor cars on eBay :lipsrsealed:
Ace!! Yeah i got the lot inc gearbox and all ancilaries looms, turbo, engine with new belt and w/pump for £400. Just shy of 90k on the clock, and seen it running. so pritty chuffed tbh. Just need to figure out what im doing with gearbox. Need an ABF really, but struggling to source one so far up north
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:shocked: bargain!!!! Yh I Wudda snapped the sellers hand off too!
See if you can arrange a courier, I just had a gbox delivered for £30
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For an ABF? Nice... Only problem is couriers to deliver up here are more than double that haha!!!
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Good price there ,im itching to get mine started but still need a few more parts yet :sad:
Picked my 60k AGU up from my boss in return for 1 weeks work :evil:
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Good price there ,im itching to get mine started but still need a few more parts yet :sad:
Picked my 60k AGU up from my boss in return for 1 weeks work :evil:
Tell your boss il come and do a weeks work for and engine :grin:
For an ABF? Nice... Only problem is couriers to deliver up here are more than double that haha!!!
Na the box was for the mk2 Jetta. The courier was from Sheffield to Devon so quite a way, il try and find out the site for ya
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https://www.paisleyfreight.com/
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:grin:
Yeah had some right bargains lately, just yesterday collected an abf motor and box,loom,chip ,transponder,ecu,mint drivers door complete,set of cl door trims,and a rear window reg all for £110,now to me that is a good price :smug:
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https://www.paisleyfreight.com/
£40, not too bad!
I'll look around for a while more see if i can get a doner local, doubtfull... so will let ya know, cheers :smiley:
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I know brad loves his 16v box but I would seriously recommend getting a box with taller ratios such as the box from a mk3 diesel. The 16v box is designed for 16v engine which has relatively low torque, whereas the diesel box is much more suited to a turbo engine which has a lot more torque and really thrives with the longer gears
your choice but I'd suggest looking into more info on gearbox choice as its quite an important part of your set up :)
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I know brad loves his 16v box but I would seriously recommend getting a box with taller ratios such as the box from a mk3 diesel. The 16v box is designed for 16v engine which has relatively low torque, whereas the diesel box is much more suited to a turbo engine which has a lot more torque and really thrives with the longer gears
your choice but I'd suggest looking into more info on gearbox choice as its quite an important part of your set up :)
I thought the ABF o2a and the AUM o2j had the same ratios? Wouldn't that mean its quite suited for the turbo? I do like your idea though, Only thing im struggling on ATM is gearbox and how to set up the mounts. As in whats needed for it, do you need to weld new brackets on also?
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I know brad loves his 16v box but I would seriously recommend getting a box with taller ratios such as the box from a mk3 diesel. The 16v box is designed for 16v engine which has relatively low torque, whereas the diesel box is much more suited to a turbo engine which has a lot more torque and really thrives with the longer gears
your choice but I'd suggest looking into more info on gearbox choice as its quite an important part of your set up :)
Brad has also said he is fitting a VR6 FD to lengthen the gearing. 3.68 to 3.3 IIRC.
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I thought the ABF o2a and the AUM o2j had the same ratios? Wouldn't that mean its quite suited for the turbo? I do like your idea though, Only thing im struggling on ATM is gearbox and how to set up the mounts. As in whats needed for it, do you need to weld new brackets on also?
No welding.
Just use Mk3 16v gearbox mounts...the O2A and O2J 'boxes share the same casing.
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I know brad loves his 16v box but I would seriously recommend getting a box with taller ratios such as the box from a mk3 diesel. The 16v box is designed for 16v engine which has relatively low torque, whereas the diesel box is much more suited to a turbo engine which has a lot more torque and really thrives with the longer gears
your choice but I'd suggest looking into more info on gearbox choice as its quite an important part of your set up :)
Brad has also said he is fitting a VR6 FD to lengthen the gearing. 3.68 to 3.3 IIRC.
yeah hes doing that to his 02j box but up until thats fitted hes running a standard 16v box i believe, the wheel spin must be mental :P
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all 02a and 02j ratios can be found in the clubgti transmission FAQ, give it a read its very informative as is the rest of the gearbox and 1.8t engine section to anyone doing a conversion :)
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115595
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I know brad loves his 16v box but I would seriously recommend getting a box with taller ratios such as the box from a mk3 diesel. The 16v box is designed for 16v engine which has relatively low torque, whereas the diesel box is much more suited to a turbo engine which has a lot more torque and really thrives with the longer gears
your choice but I'd suggest looking into more info on gearbox choice as its quite an important part of your set up :)
Brad has also said he is fitting a VR6 FD to lengthen the gearing. 3.68 to 3.3 IIRC.
thats correct, i am surprised Dan went for the ratios he did TBH and didn't just do this too, the ratios of the 16v box are pretty dam perfect for the 1.8T (wheel spin is present tho as said, unless you really feather in the power), the VR final drive will make it as perfect as you can get for sheer performance, pick up etc, well that coupled with the wavetrac LSD
Its getting sent to Martin (Hotgolf) next week so ill let you know the outcome of it all.. iv been working hard with him and i trust his opinion.
My 02J is getting fully rebuilt by martin so its basically going to be like a brand new box
also fitting a lightened Flywheel at the same time. can't bloody wait :-)
My full mk3 set up is for sale, cable shift, Tower (refurbished looks mint) and early 1.8T shift weight.. think Funkyfive off here is buying my 02A box tho
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See id be interested in the whole set up if it came with the box also!! Would mean only need to source mounts and hydro!!
Only thing im worried about is the wiring.... Everything else not a problem. Do you run OEM managemant?
Callum
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My 02J is getting fully rebuilt by martin so its basically going to be like a brand new box
Is Mart supplying the 3.3 FD?
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My 02J is getting fully rebuilt by martin so its basically going to be like a brand new box
Is Mart supplying the 3.3 FD?
No. He has his own.
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yeah i have my own FD
Callum, I am using OEM (Audi) Management
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Going from memory here so don't quote me but if I remember right the asd box has the same ratios as the dpa 1st-4th and just has a longer 5th and final drive, so if you put a vr6 final drive into a dpa it would be similar to the asd you would just have the nice long 5th for cruising (90mph just under 3000rpm)
Each to their own though mine is imo perfect for my setup but I don't have the bam like brad just a puny aum :p
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AUM is a good lump :wink:
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Right, looking into which box im going to use and decided to stick with the 16v box from an ABF as Brad has suggested.
Will any ABF box do? Or looking for a specific code?
CDA + CGN are on http://boneybradley.webs.com/thegearboxes.htm
But been reading some posts on using a DPA, but cant seem to see it on there.
Just dont want to go buying a 16v doner and it being useless.. Cheers
Callum :smiley:
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Right, looking into which box im going to use and decided to stick with the 16v box from an ABF as Brad has suggested.
Will any ABF box do? Or looking for a specific code?
CDA + CGN are on http://boneybradley.webs.com/thegearboxes.htm
But been reading some posts on using a DPA, but cant seem to see it on there.
Just dont want to go buying a 16v doner and it being useless.. Cheers
Callum :smiley:
CDA and DPA are the same, except one is a Ibiza Cupra Sport 16v 'box, so runs a cable clutch...which may be ideal for you as it would save you changing to a hydraulic clutch.
I think that may be the CDA...I think a Golf 16v is a DPA (might have got them the wrong way round)
I've never heard of a CGN.
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dps is 16v golf, cda is the same ratios and i believe is found in both golfs and ibizas i think the ibiza has a different kind of cylinder for the clutch to make it cable but not 100% sure on that
all 02a box's can be found in this post http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1858387&postcount=10 (http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1858387&postcount=10)
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dps is 16v golf, cda is the same ratios and i believe is found in both golfs and ibizas i think the ibiza has a different kind of cylinder for the clutch to make it cable but not 100% sure on that
all 02a box's can be found in this post http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1858387&postcount=10 (http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1858387&postcount=10)
Great help, thanks alot!
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my ABF one is DPA, all late valvers had DPA
mine is for sale, however think funky five on here wants it
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mines for sale also pick up only though so bit of a trek for you :P Had it for sale for months on ebay but no takers will probably end up scrapping it at this rate :sad:
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Surrey is a fair trek haha!!
Im interested in both of them :evil: :evil:
But i really want to get whole setup all together to save hastle, if anyone's selling the whole lot? :drool:
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I have the MK3 ABF cable shifters and Geearbox all coming off mine
all good parts as you probably know with me i don't do things by halves, my box came from a good source and the car it came from had FSH
i will let u know if Funkyfive still wants mine or not and if u are interested we can talk.
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I have the MK3 ABF cable shifters and Geearbox all coming off mine
all good parts as you probably know with me i don't do things by halves, my box came from a good source and the car it came from had FSH
i will let u know if Funkyfive still wants mine or not and if u are interested we can talk.
Great just lemme know
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I'll speak to him today mate and see if he still wants it
I'll be removing it from my car in around 3 weeks when I get my other box back from rebuild
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I have a shift set up if Brad doesn't. Could combine with Dan's gearbox if you could get a courier arranged?
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I'll speak to him today mate and see if he still wants it
I'll be removing it from my car in around 3 weeks when I get my other box back from rebuild
Great, just lemme know.
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I have a shift set up if Brad doesn't. Could combine with Dan's gearbox if you could get a courier arranged?
Cheers bud, will see what Brad has and if his box is available. Could combine the lot :evil:
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well funky five has not got back to me on my box
iv looked on the bay and they are going for between 80 and 200 quid for the DPA :shocked:
i can let my box (painted Satin black so all the bits you see look good :cool:) for £80.. it has had a rebuild at some point in its life and i removed it from my old 16v car personally so i know its been looked after.. i also only run high quality oil.. currently has Mobil 1 fully synthetic in it
The box has done 95k miles but as i say it was rebuilt by a previous owner (i have only his word on this but it has zero issues at all and silky smooth gear change)
i will include the tower for this price too or sell if for £70 without the tower
if you want my gear shift cables id do a deal at £100 for the whole lot.. no offers as this is a bargain for very good condition used parts that look good too with been clean and satin black
I'm based in Leeds area and they will be coming off my car in around 3 weeks time
the only part i won't have with my box is the small mount bracket that joins the box to the mount on the subframe (i still need this bit) but these can be picked up easily..
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well funky five has not got back to me on my box
iv looked on the bay and they are going for between 80 and 200 quid for the DPA :shocked:
i can let my box (painted Satin black so all the bits you see look good :cool:) for £80.. it has had a rebuild at some point in its life and i removed it from my old 16v car personally so i know its been looked after.. i also only run high quality oil.. currently has Mobil 1 fully synthetic in it
The box has done 95k miles but as i say it was rebuilt by a previous owner (i have only his word on this but it has zero issues at all and silky smooth gear change)
i will include the tower for this price too or sell if for £70 without the tower
if you want my gear shift cables id do a deal at £100 for the whole lot.. no offers as this is a bargain for very good condition used parts that look good too with been clean and satin black
I'm based in Leeds area and they will be coming off my car in around 3 weeks time
the only part i won't have with my box is the small mount bracket that joins the box to the mount on the subframe (i still need this bit) but these can be picked up easily..
Ill PM you buddy, cheers
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ok matey
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not trying to cut in by any means just saying about the prices, I dont see how any of those box's on ebay can sell mines been on there for over a month at £50 and its only had around 15 views! £80 is a good price for a good box though mine has unknown history and looks like sh!t :grin: needs a good clean before it sells (if it ever does)
gearbox bracket part number if you need it is 357 199 353 there are a few on ebay now if you search that part number
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Mate cheapest box on bay is 80 quid u must be listing it wrong ?
Anyhow I have 95% of all the parts he needs now so I'll be doing a package for him
Think the only thing he will need to find in this department is gonna be the flywheel (ABF)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130688129224?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1156
maybe you missed it as there's no pic
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130688129224?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1156
maybe you missed it as there's no pic
Probably why it hasn't sold! People like to see what they're buying.
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Its a gearbox though what do people expect it to look like! I think its more down to it being collection only
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eBay listings need pictures. Simple
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eBay listings need pictures. Simple
Agreed, no picture means I always give the ad a miss.
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it will be sitting in the garage for a while yet then!