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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Horney on 28 January 2012, 20:54
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Anyone on here got any experience with these (I know there's a few porker heads on here). I've read up all about the engine failure stuff, more interested in general ownership and driving experience.
Very tempted to trade up to one from the Mazda in 2013 and just doing a bit of research. Would be most interested in the pov spec 2wd ones as that's more my cup of tea.
Something like this one: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3529166.htm
(http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3529/3529166-1.jpg)
nick
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My brother had one, rear engine and rear wheel drive and sh!tty damp english roundabouts dont mix
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My brother had one, rear engine and rear wheel drive and sh!tty damp english roundabouts dont mix
To be fair it would be a fair weather motor not a daily!
Nick
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http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=212890.0
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That's a nice one but I'd want a manual and not for another 12 months :grin:
Nick
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Someone is earning too much money :grin:
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I wish, it's just I've wanted a 911 since I first had toy cars and right now these can be picked up for 10-12K. It would be a stretch and MrsH has agreed on principle if I sort the carpets, double glazing and a few other bits in the flat first.
Nick
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Haha nice, nothing like a bit of blackmail lol
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Anyone on here got any experience with these (I know there's a few porker heads on here). I've read up all about the engine failure stuff, more interested in general ownership and driving experience.
Very tempted to trade up to one from the Mazda in 2013 and just doing a bit of research. Would be most interested in the pov spec 2wd ones as that's more my cup of tea.
Great cars...Sure the engine issues exist...but in the 5 years I had mine, I never met anyone who had suffered it.
My RMS did leak though...not enough to worry me had I not had a warranty.
Over the the first 3 years I had my C4S, it cost less to run/service than my Audi S3.
What do you want to know specifically?
This was mine:
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Ess_Three/Carrera%204S/911.jpg)
It was a childhood itch tht had to be scratched...and boy, did it feel good! :grin:
Early 3.4s are not great...you need the 3.6.
Carrera is a good car...especially if you can find one with PSM which make it roundabout proof.
C4s are more usable in all weathers...
C4Ss are unstoppable...just epic.
GT3s scary (in a good way)...and well out of the budget I expect.
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I think I'm the only person in the world that finds Porsche's super ugly :undecided:
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I think I'm the only person in the world that finds Porsche's super ugly :undecided:
I doubt it.
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Marvel of engineering mind you, and some of the older ones are quite nice. Think I'm just stuck in the 80's, love chunky cars :grin:
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Cheers Ess_Three, just after general details on living with them. It would be a weekend plaything and occasional blat to work thing. So circa 5K a year mileage. A C2 Manual is probably what I'd go for (maybe a Targa). Just interested in general running costs etc. My uncle uses Autofarm to look after his 60's 911 so would probably use them for servicing etc. Much as I' be happy to service it myself it would kill the value.
Nick
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Cheers Ess_Three, just after general details on living with them. It would be a weekend plaything and occasional blat to work thing. So circa 5K a year mileage. A C2 Manual is probably what I'd go for (maybe a Targa). Just interested in general running costs etc. My uncle uses Autofarm to look after his 60's 911 so would probably use them for servicing etc. Much as I' be happy to service it myself it would kill the value.
Nick
18-22 MPG
I went through 2 sets of rears and 1 set of front tyres in 13500 miles (first set or rears in 5000 but that included 18 laps of the Ring)
Brakes for the C4S were £1000 for full set (discs + pads, F + R). C2 + C4 a bit cheaper - genuine discs + DS2500 pads.
Services about £300/£500 alternating. The 4 yearly about £800.
Bushes don't seem to wear.
Interiors last not too bad...but seat bosters scuff and can look shabby...none too modern, but functional and hard enough wearing.
Insurance reasonable next to tuned hot hatches.
The best advice I can offer is to use it...leaving it sitting for long periods lets the seals dry out and oil leaks appear.
For me it would have to be a Coupe, Manual, 3.6...and PSM (Porsche Stability Management) or PSE (Porsche Sports Exhaust - epic!!) as an option if possible.
Targa is just wrong...weight in the wrong place...with that engine out back, the last thing you need is more weight up top.
Sports seats are good if you are of a smaller frame - they are too small for me.
Standard seats don't look much...but hold you well.
Sat Nav etc all outdated now...so don't pay more for it.
Bose is worth having.
Sports Chassis too (-20mm)...if you are lucky enough to find one.
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Just lack that wow factor for me to even study them.
BTW they are 2 seaters not 4!
:lipsrsealed:
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Just lack that wow factor for me to even study them.
BTW they are 2 seaters not 4!
:lipsrsealed:
Maybe if you studied them some more you would realise thay have back seats.
2 in fact.
So thats 2 in the front...and 2 in the back...how many is that again? :rolleyes:
Nobody ever bought a 911 to impress people - you can buy blinger/faster/better handling etc for far less....you buy it to drive, and to master the challenge.
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All sounding good so far. :cool:
nick
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You call those back seats? Last time I sat in the back of one of those was with my feet on one seat and my bum on the other :grin:
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All sounding good so far. :cool:
nick
You have to watch the long overhang at the front - steep driveways are a no-no...same with multi-storey car parks.
Brakes will feel dead on first drive - that's normal. They just aren't over servod like most nowadays.
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You call those back seats? Last time I sat in the back of one of those was with my feet on one seat and my bum on the other :grin:
You stated it was a 2 seater.
The Boxster/Cayman is a 2 seater...a 911 is a 2 + 2...always has been...and you can use them.
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All sounding good so far. :cool:
nick
You have to watch the long overhang at the front - steep driveways are a no-no...same with multi-storey car parks.
Brakes will feel dead on first drive - that's normal. They just aren't over servod like most nowadays.
We live in a 1 bed flat, no probs with a driveway. :grin:
Been reading lots of stuff on Pistonheads this evening and I think I'm sold. Just need to bust my balls this year at work to get the next step up in my current role with the associated pay rise and then find one. Well that and do the double glazing in the flat and the carpets. :grin:
Nick
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We live in a 1 bed flat, no probs with a driveway. :grin:
Been reading lots of stuff on Pistonheads this evening and I think I'm sold. Just need to bust my balls this year at work to get the next step up in my current role with the associated pay rise and then find one. Well that and do the double glazing in the flat and the carpets. :grin:
Nick
It'll be expensive...you don't run one for Fiesta money...but it's an itch worth scratching, in my view.
I loved mine...did everything I wanted to do in it (round Europe, 'ring etc) and you couldn't buy memories like that gave.
My usual co-pilot and I still go on about what a car it was...sure it was 'different' handling, not as quick as an Evo (So?) and totally impractical...but when you learn it...it's like nothing else...utterly rewarding.
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Nick, if you want to know any specifics, PM me and I can try to answer or give you my number to have a chat.
It's not a cheap move...but a rewarding one.
A C2 is all you ever need on the road...the rest do it more often in all weathers, more readily, or more hardcore...but a C2 is a damn fine steer.
Living where I do, I'd suffer a slight lack of front end feedback in exchange for 4wd (I borrowed a 997 C2S and almost spun it, so used to the C4S, and the liberties you could take with a C4S + PSM...but then again, the 996 C4S is more than the sum of all the parts!) but no doubt the C2 is a purer machine.
Since you aren't afraid to admit the MK5 is a fine machine...you'll love it!
If you can fine a late-ish 3.6 with Vario Cam and Vario Ram, they are the pick of the 3.6 non GT3 NA engines...I have a modified airbos I'll send you! :grin:
It'll make you smile...
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Have a look at this place when you start looking they always seem to have something worth buying http://www.911virgin.com/porschesforsale/ (http://www.911virgin.com/porschesforsale/)
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Cheers fella. For the time being you've answered all my questions. Hopefully this time next year I'll be in touch for more specific chats. I have plenty of brilliant country routes round here for blasts out and about (Often abused in the MX5) and that'll be it's main use other than nice day blasts to work and the odd dash to work and the West Country for some moorland blasts.
Good advice BTW on the Targa. It appealed because I love the topless aspect of the 5 but in a 911 I think I can live without the open air aspect (can't stand the drop top 911's in any shape).
I like the factory Aero Kit as well:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3444/3816366648_440517cca2_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40137058@N07/3816366648/)
Porsche 911 Carrera 996 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40137058@N07/3816366648/) by lacomj (http://www.flickr.com/people/40137058@N07/), on Flickr
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3011/2558971787_8b08e73b2a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8058098@N07/2558971787/)
Porsche 911 Carrera (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8058098@N07/2558971787/) by nakhon100 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8058098@N07/), on Flickr
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k198/taylorsnutrition/Porsche/100_0871.jpg)
But the look lovely standard when polished up:
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/fidgits/5.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3608/3534824729_e7401c9071_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/denniske/3534824729/)
996 C2. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/denniske/3534824729/) by Denniske (http://www.flickr.com/people/denniske/), on Flickr
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5309/5736853384_1523733996_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/83106605@N00/5736853384/)
Waldschmidt 2000 Porsche C2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/83106605@N00/5736853384/) by badges2@sbcglobal.net (http://www.flickr.com/people/83106605@N00/), on Flickr
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3020/2810873634_efbdfed73a_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schmatz/2810873634/)
Porsche 911 (996) Carrera Coupé (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schmatz/2810873634/) by Stephan Schmatz (http://www.flickr.com/people/schmatz/), on Flickr
Nick
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I like the sound of this :cool:
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I thought you might :grin:
Nick
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Anyone on here got any experience with these (I know there's a few porker heads on here). I've read up all about the engine failure stuff, more interested in general ownership and driving experience.
Very tempted to trade up to one from the Mazda in 2013 and just doing a bit of research. Would be most interested in the pov spec 2wd ones as that's more my cup of tea.
Something like this one: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3529166.htm
(http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3529/3529166-1.jpg)
nick
as clarkson says there just a jumped up volksvagen beetle lol get one mate there brilliant cars wish i could afford one
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I have also been having dirty thoughts about 996s recently.
I think it's a mid-30s thing.
You've just caught it early. :grin:
The PITA for us is that we have two young girls in the family.
This wouldn't be too much of an issue if they were the correct size for their age, but our 5 year old is already in age 8-9 clothes. :angry: Won't fit in those rear hammocks for very long!
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I'd love a 911. They're so cheap used nowadays but I fear by the time I'm 30 they will probably go up in value.
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Spend the extra dough, and get an older air cooled 911, The 996 doesn't have that classic nostalgia thing that the 911 will smitten you with! liken it to going out to buy an E Type Jag, and coming back with an XJS...
Thom
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Heat exchangers need replacing how often, Thom?
I'd rather have the advantages of watercooled, although the 993 is a bit gorgeous.
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Heat exchangers need replacing how often, Thom?
I'd rather have the advantages of watercooled, although the 993 is a bit gorgeous.
People dont keep 996's for long, because they're a passing whim, I know plenty of people that have owned their 911's for well over 20 years and wouldn't dream of parting with them. Generally speaking, issues that crop up on 911's are easy to solve, and could be fixed by someone like Nick, unlike the 996 that will have you hemorrhaging money to get it fixed, knowing that when its done, it will have to go up for sale...
Thom
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http://www.seymourhorwell.com/car-of-the-day.aspx
Last of the air cooled :cool:
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http://www.seymourhorwell.com/car-of-the-day.aspx
Last of the air cooled :cool:
Not cool and clearly entirely the wrong car.
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this is what you want i have seen this round my area its a beast
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/porsche-911-turbo-1988-5-speed-RSR-993-turbo-rep-hybrid-roll-cage-px-swap-why-/150745756397?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item231925b2ed#ht_1698wt_1185
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993's are the last of the cool 911's imo, but 996's are still porsche's at the end of the day!
BUT, £12k also = http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3401765.htm
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993's are the last of the cool 911's imo, but 996's are still porsche's at the end of the day!
The last of the small 911s...and undoubtedly the prettiest.
But they rot, leak oil and aren't the answer to everyones prayers.
I have enough mates with them...
996 you CAN use as a daily...it is modern enough to be used daily, comfy enough, but still retains enough 911-ness to make it a challenge.
BUT, £12k also = http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3401765.htm
Lush.
I always wanted one...but can't get in it. :angry:
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I like NSXs a lot but they're massive and insurance is a lot more than a 996.
Nick
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I have also been having dirty thoughts about 996s recently.
I think it's a mid-30s thing.
You've just caught it early. :grin:
The PITA for us is that we have two young girls in the family.
This wouldn't be too much of an issue if they were the correct size for their age, but our 5 year old is already in age 8-9 clothes. :angry: Won't fit in those rear hammocks for very long!
Surely that's what the wife's car for? :grin:
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431298_325667497477974_142414675803258_1012017_1900323318_n.jpg)
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haha Shamefully stollen from FB :grin:
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haha Shamefully stollen from FB :grin:
Oi, give a little and take a little steve!
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That IS just filth.
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NSFW (Not safe for wallet!!!!)
Nick
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And just to make sure you know what Im getting at....
(http://www.rallybuzz.com/photos/Rally-Show-Chatsworth-2009/RSH09-0794.jpg)
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4wevsQ0vI1qba58fo1_500.jpg)
(http://www.carma-autoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Porsche-911-turbo-dual-flames.jpg)
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(http://assets.speedhunters.com/Images/Paddy%20McGrath/2011/Feature/RWB%20Number%20One/PMCG%20RWB%20ONE-38.jpg)
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I know it's way out of everyone's price range but...
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s353/MrBounce38/Porsche-959_mp42_pic_15271.jpg)
My dream car as a teenager. Just wow.
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Marvel of engineering mind you, and some of the older ones are quite nice. Think I'm just stuck in the 80's, love chunky cars :grin:
A marvel of compromise and legacy platform more like.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431298_325667497477974_142414675803258_1012017_1900323318_n.jpg)
Isn't this Ms Jones's Porka :lipsrsealed:
Thom
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Well if we are into the realms of dreaming:
(http://image.automobilemag.com/f/28526216+w750+st0/porsche-911-GT2-RS-front-three-quarters-static-passenger.jpg)
(http://www.sportauto.ee/porsche/911/996/gt2/996gt2-05.jpg)
(http://www.newcarspy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Porsche-911-GT3-RS-4.0-588x344.jpg)
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A marvel of compromise and legacy platform more like.
Legacy platform?
996 was an entirely new platform.
Compromise?
Nothing gives traction like having the engine over the rear wheels...and nothing else goes 50:50 under heavy braking like a 911.
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Money no object wuld be one of these:
(http://www.carautoportal.com/car-images/porsche/porsche-gt3-rs/porsche-gt3-rs1.jpg)
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3503/hop2350xd4.jpg)
Nick
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A mere 3.8 RS?
Sorry...it would have to be the 4.0 or nothing.
It's all about the dive planes! :grin:
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Thought you were more of a purist Nick!
Thom
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Thought you were more of a purist Nick!
Thom
Generally I am but there's something about those that really floats my boat.
Talking of the 4.0, enjoy this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Jv0Gr5gz1Gw
NIck
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A marvel of compromise and legacy platform more like.
Legacy platform?
996 was an entirely new platform.
Compromise?
Nothing gives traction like having the engine over the rear wheels...and nothing else goes 50:50 under heavy braking like a 911.
Compromise in engineering design in relation to the legacy layout and the impact on positioning of major components and the packaging of the platform.
Ever heard the one about trying to replace turbo charger heat sheilds on a 996 Turbo?
Don't get me wrong, I love 'em, but it would be a 964 C4s probs for me, and then do my own take on a RS Rep.
and Nick, I am going to be a boring old fart here, but House first then a 911? (sorry!)
:smiley:
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It would be a stretch and MrsH has agreed on principle if I sort the carpets, double glazing and a few other bits in the flat first.
I never understand that sort of split arse logic. "Yes dear, you can spent £10-12k on what you want, as long as you spend even more money on other stuff first" :rolleyes:
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Oh, and I drove a 996 3.4 I think it was, and wasn't all that quick. Fun tho.
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Oh, and I drove a 996 3.4 I think it was, and wasn't all that quick. Fun tho.
I agree...the 3.4 is awful.
It needs to be the 3.6...preferably in VarioRam & VarioCam spec.
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Don't get me wrong, I love 'em, but it would be a 964 C4s probs for me, and then do my own take on a RS Rep.
A mate of mine has a 1990 G plate 964 C4...lovely car.
...in a quaint way! :evil:
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My dream porka is anything RWB:
http://vimeo.com/27967462
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no no no, this is the dream porsche :drool:
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4329/dsc02289yy.jpg)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4104/dsc02291f.jpg)
followed closely by
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8653/dsc02296ot.jpg)
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actually, thinking about it :grin:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NdcOdNBl9_I/TZYp5_srWmI/AAAAAAAAClk/OIYhkCkKmIs/s1600/Dauer+962+Le+Mans.jpg)
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So I was bored this evening and thought I'd get some quotes on insurance. £672 fully comp on confused.com. I reckon with a ring round some specialists I could actually get it cheaper than the MX5!!!!!!!
Nick
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431298_325667497477974_142414675803258_1012017_1900323318_n.jpg)
This is a proper Porsche IMO! porsche's are common these days,nothing special,they don't excite when you see one (gtrs aside) BUT when you see a 1980's-early 90's 911 they still have presence,they draw your attention,I always dreamed of having one as a boy (mainly because of Miami vice :grin:) and at 33 I still dream of having one ahhhhhhhh one day :kiss:
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Still sound special with the silencer bypass.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-996-911-Muffler-Bypass-Exhaust-Resonated-Pipe-/130484538529?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e617c0ca1
http://youtu.be/TKIsiG5W-R4
Nick
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Supercup exhaust. WANT!
nick
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Supercup exhaust. WANT!
nick
Now THEY sound good. I think the engine is the same as the GT3RS with a few very minor differences but they obviously have sequential gearboxes and uprated exhaust. They sound heavenly, I admit not as good as the F1 V8s but god they sound good when stepping on the loud pedal on the exits.
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After the 993 Porsche lost its soul (water cooled)
There I said it :evil:
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/golfgti_photos/419673_10151225517905273_571895272_22732097_345915750_n.jpg)
One day :sad:
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Supercup exhaust. WANT!
nick
Forgot the link!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAjxUtk0WJs
nick
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The Fabspeed stuff is silly loud...my mate has them on-off his 993 C4 and they are stupidly loud...and not even a particularly nice souind...just noise.
There is a bloke on eBay modifies the standard 996/993 boxes and fits a bypass similar to the PSE, which sounds fantastic.
However if you have a local exhaust place, you can have them fit a 2" bypass pipe to the standard boxes and get the same effect, much cheaper. I think my mate paid £50 for his 993 boxes to be done.
Ideally what you would need is a pair of standard 996 stainless rear boxes to have modified.
If you buy a 996, give me a shout...I have a brand new pair of rear boxes sitting in my garage loft, you can heve them if you want to get the bypasses made.
I also have a modified airbox - which is a nice addition!
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I like silly loud. :grin:
Thanks for the offer, I'll let you know in 2012!
nick
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So wednesday me and Mrs had the afternoon off to attend a funeral. I get home at lunchtime to be greeted with Mrs H and a face like thunder.
Mrs H "is there something you want to tell me?"
Me "No, why?"
Mrs H "I've just answered a call from an insurance company wanting to know if you were happy with the quote on the Porsche."
Me "Ah, well I was just seeing what it would cost."
Mrs H "If you've bought another car It's divorce!"
She still isn't 100% sure that I haven't put a deposit down on one. Better not tell her I got a very acceptable finance quote from a local specialist on a 997! :grin:
nick
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So... when ARE you getting divorced then? :laugh: :laugh:
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So wednesday me and Mrs had the afternoon off to attend a funeral. I get home at lunchtime to be greeted with Mrs H and a face like thunder.
Mrs H "is there something you want to tell me?"
Me "No, why?"
Mrs H "I've just answered a call from an insurance company wanting to know if you were happy with the quote on the Porsche."
Me "Ah, well I was just seeing what it would cost."
Mrs H "If you've bought another car It's divorce!"
She still isn't 100% sure that I haven't put a deposit down on one. Better not tell her I got a very acceptable finance quote from a local specialist on a 997! :grin:
nick
i remember a similar " vibe " when I took you to pick up the MX5, and look what happened when you got that home :lipsrsealed:
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So wednesday me and Mrs had the afternoon off to attend a funeral. I get home at lunchtime to be greeted with Mrs H and a face like thunder.
Mrs H "is there something you want to tell me?"
Me "No, why?"
Mrs H "I've just answered a call from an insurance company wanting to know if you were happy with the quote on the Porsche."
Me "Ah, well I was just seeing what it would cost."
Mrs H "If you've bought another car It's divorce!"
ME (http://"but its for you valatines present") :lipsrsealed:
She still isn't 100% sure that I haven't put a deposit down on one. Better not tell her I got a very acceptable finance quote from a local specialist on a 997! :grin:
nick
i remember a similar " vibe " when I took you to pick up the MX5, and look what happened when you got that home :lipsrsealed:
Nick share the wealth not the finance :tongue:
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Just go buy one Nick, then you'll find out whether she really loves you :wink: :evil:
Thom
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Just go buy one Nick, then you'll find out whether she really loves you :wink: :evil:
Thom
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So I bought a 997 not a 996. Shame it's only 1:18th scale! :grin:
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598692_10151823359285322_197485101_n.jpg)
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/599285_10151823358390322_1098075334_n.jpg)
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Found it cheap on eBay and couldn't resist. Now has pride of place on my desk at work. Should motivate me to get saving for a real one. :cool:
Nick
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You disgust me with your middle-management ambitions.
Is there a Swingline stapler on your desk, too?
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No, some scrote stole my stapler!
Nick
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Less Porsche buying, more Castle Combe Stand organising :tongue:
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Done!
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No, some scrote stole my stapler!
Nick
Standard office politics practice.
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If you are looking for a good deal on a Porsche try http://www.northway.co.uk/16821/npl.htm (http://www.northway.co.uk/16821/npl.htm) my m8 is a mechanic there