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Title: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 18 December 2011, 21:25
hi i have been thinking of getting a new car on finance and make my vr6 into a track car this is the list
2007 megane 225 cup
2005 golf gti
2006 focus st
2006 seat leon cupra fr
i know im on a vag site so this might be abit biased but value for money what will be the best alround i have been in a white golf ed30 that was quite nice but it did not really do out for me what do you lot think
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: J_V_Dub on 18 December 2011, 21:42
What's your budget will be the first Q  :huh:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: raferackstraw on 18 December 2011, 21:43
a sorted mk1 gti  :cool:  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: gti gaz on 18 December 2011, 21:44
cupra all the way
 :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 18 December 2011, 21:45
What's your budget will be the first Q  :huh:

should be about 7.5k-10k depending on the instalments
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Toby on 18 December 2011, 21:45
aldi a1!! you can get these for like £16k! there hawt!  :tongue:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Toby on 18 December 2011, 21:46
What's your budget will be the first Q  :huh:

should be about 7.5k-10k depending on the instalments

thats the aldi a1 out the window then  :laugh:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: richw911 on 18 December 2011, 21:46
ED30 if you can get one in your budget  :laugh:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 18 December 2011, 21:50
a sorted mk1 gti  :cool:  :rolleyes:

lol i would be going backwards even with my vr6 getting a mk1 gti
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 18 December 2011, 21:51
What's your budget will be the first Q  :huh:

should be about 7.5k-10k depending on the instalments

thats the aldi a1 out the window then  :laugh:

i dont like them tbh i wouldnt pay 16p never mined 16k for one
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: emery1990 on 18 December 2011, 22:12
This is what I would get http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=423735&st=0 damnnnn. Bit too much though, I'd take it for 5.5k 6k probs
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: SoundillusioN on 18 December 2011, 22:12
a sorted mk1 gti  :cool:  :rolleyes:

lol i would be going backwards even with my vr6 getting a mk1 gti

How dare you!  :grin:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: raferackstraw on 18 December 2011, 22:16
a sorted mk1 gti  :cool:  :rolleyes:

lol i would be going backwards even with my vr6 getting a mk1 gti

How dare you!  :grin:
no you wouldnt, you sit at the lights next to 4rsehole in his bimmer and totally leave said muppet for dead, you would never gete fed up of that, theres a psi tuning mk1 on the mk1oc atm for 5500
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Jimble on 18 December 2011, 22:56
Surely the obvious answer would be a mk5 GTI!.............no?
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: PenguinGTI on 18 December 2011, 23:51
Mk5 gets my vote. Following that the Leon FR/ Cupra if you can.

The only negative for me is that if I had a Mk5 GTI sitting in the drive, I'd rather sort it and take it on track than take the Mk3. In fact the same could be said really for any of the cars you have mentioned, with the exception being the Megane 225 as I really don't like them.

But in answer to your question, either the Mk5 or Leon.  :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 18 December 2011, 23:54
what about a decent s3  :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 19 December 2011, 00:39
what about a decent s3  :smiley:

You will struggle with a mk2 though for £10k  :wink:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 December 2011, 06:22
This is what I would get http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=423735&st=0 damnnnn. Bit too much though, I'd take it for 5.5k 6k probs

This has to be the most whored Golf currently for sale - it's posted EVERYWHERE.

Personally I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole - the S3 hardware at the back has been gobbed in there with fabricated crossmembers and look at that tunnel - it's been 'made wider' at some point  :huh:

Dodgy.

The only negative for me is that if I had a Mk5 GTI sitting in the drive, I'd rather sort it and take it on track than take the Mk3. In fact the same could be said really for any of the cars you have mentioned, with the exception being the Megane 225 as I really don't like them.

Out of all the cars listed the Megane has the best 'track' reputation, but it's the one you wouldn't take on track?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: shepgti on 19 December 2011, 09:10


Out of all the cars listed the Megane has the best 'track' reputation, but it's the one you wouldn't take on track?  :rolleyes:
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that's vag blinkers for you :rolleyes:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Seanl on 19 December 2011, 09:14
For value for money it has to be the cuprammonium. Then again, you will be bitten by depreciation very quickly. Aldi or Golf if you want to keep your bollox when time comes to sell.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 09:55
had a insurance quote on them all on confused.com them megane 225 is dearest,then then the golf,then the leon,then for some strange reason the fastest of them all the focus is cheapest wtf i think i will drive them all before i choose but they wont be going on no track i will strip my vr6 and use that
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: SoundillusioN on 19 December 2011, 10:06
a sorted mk1 gti  :cool:  :rolleyes:

lol i would be going backwards even with my vr6 getting a mk1 gti

How dare you!  :grin:
no you wouldnt, you sit at the lights next to 4rsehole in his bimmer and totally leave said muppet for dead, you would never gete fed up of that, theres a psi tuning mk1 on the mk1oc atm for 5500

Had a look at that, very nice, love it's sleeper look and with that motor I'd say it's very fairly priced.  :cool:

http://www.psituning.com/tuning/project-cars/25-mk1-golf-18t
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: PenguinGTI on 19 December 2011, 11:46
The only negative for me is that if I had a Mk5 GTI sitting in the drive, I'd rather sort it and take it on track than take the Mk3. In fact the same could be said really for any of the cars you have mentioned, with the exception being the Megane 225 as I really don't like them.

Out of all the cars listed the Megane has the best 'track' reputation, but it's the one you wouldn't take on track?  :rolleyes:

that's vag blinkers for you :rolleyes:

Not at all. I don't question that the Megane is the more capable car on track of the bunch but it's just not a car I like. The new Megane RS250 is really nice and I'd have probably recommended that had it been one of the options, but the older Megane 225 just doesn't do it for me.

If I could throw a wildcard in, what about a VXR of some description - either Astra or Corsa?

Plus, DH, the idea of taking the 'hot hatch' on track was something I suggested to the OP. If you look back, the OP was only looking for recommendations as to which car would be the best daily, and in that respect I definitely feel either of the VAG offerings would be best. The ST is good but perhaps a bit thirsty for a daily?

Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 12:02
vxr's are nice but understeer city the st cant be any thirstier than my vr6 surely
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: PenguinGTI on 19 December 2011, 12:15
I really don't find VXR's that bad - I'd say a fair bit of their reputation comes from exaggerated opinion. Yes, ok, they do understeer a bit, but it's not as bad as people often make out.

the st cant be any thirstier than my vr6 surely

I suppose not  :grin:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 19 December 2011, 12:48
vxr's are nice but understeer city the st cant be any thirstier than my vr6 surely
st"s are thirsty lol but loads a fun if your every near glasgow i could take u out in both st an a cupra let u nosey round both them see what 1 takes your fancy :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 19 December 2011, 13:10
below is my take on things..

2007 megane 225 cup - fast, but if you want a nice long list of the amout of crap that goes wrong with renaults as some who has owned one. i.e. me  :wink:

2005 golf gti - get a good spec and there isnt any of this list that competes for comfort and speed esp a quick remap.

2006 focus st - bit of a poor image but drive pretty well. very thirsty (r32 territory) horrible driving position.

2006 seat leon cupra fr - arguably the best looking of the bunch and most value for you moeny but i was put off by cheap cabin.


Have you considered???  :grin:

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used_cars/mazda/mazda3_mps/mazda_mazda3_2_3t_mps_aero_kit/260101


Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 13:23
below is my take on things..

2007 megane 225 cup - fast, but if you want a nice long list of the amout of crap that goes wrong with renaults as some who has owned one. i.e. me  :wink:

2005 golf gti - get a good spec and there isnt any of this list that competes for comfort and speed esp a quick remap.

2006 focus st - bit of a poor image but drive pretty well. very thirsty (r32 territory) horrible driving position.

2006 seat leon cupra fr - arguably the best looking of the bunch and most value for you moeny but i was put off by cheap cabin.


Have you considered???  :grin:

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used_cars/mazda/mazda3_mps/mazda_mazda3_2_3t_mps_aero_kit/260101




now that looks cool proper wolf in sheeps clothing
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: SoundillusioN on 19 December 2011, 13:27

Have you considered???  :grin:

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used_cars/mazda/mazda3_mps/mazda_mazda3_2_3t_mps_aero_kit/260101




Not that I'm biased having a 6 as a daily but these things are quick, even the Sport is a good laugh as a daily.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 December 2011, 13:54
Not that I'm biased having a 6 as a daily but these things are quick, even the Sport is a good laugh as a daily.

Mazda 3 MPS is a Focus in another suit.

(take that back actually, it's not).
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: raptorSE on 19 December 2011, 14:48
Cupra R defo
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 19 December 2011, 14:55
The Cupra R just pips it for me from that list.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: SoundillusioN on 19 December 2011, 15:02
Not that I'm biased having a 6 as a daily but these things are quick, even the Sport is a good laugh as a daily.

Mazda 3 MPS is a Focus in another suit.

(take that back actually, it's not).

However my car is based on the current Mondeo chassis but with it's own engine, no longer Fords.  Plus the suspension setup is different, more my style, the other half doesn't like it, too hard.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: shepgti on 19 December 2011, 16:02
like the look of that mazda 3 mps :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDpfgY34ec8&feature=related
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Wayne on 19 December 2011, 16:11
Not that I'm biased having a 6 as a daily but these things are quick, even the Sport is a good laugh as a daily.

Mazda 3 MPS is a Focus in another suit.

(take that back actually, it's not).

You were right, it is built on the c1 platform which is also used Ford Focus and c max plus Mazda 5, Volvo C30. S40, V50, C70 and the Ford Kuga.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 19 December 2011, 16:17
From what I know about the mazda is you sure do get alot for your money. Bose stereo, half leather seats, xenon lights 18" wheels as std.

But you will need to save your pennies for the fuel. It should only be run on 97+RON fuel iirc and economy is pretty shocking if you dont hang around.

What I will say about it is that the figures dont really tell you how quick this car is in gear when in the turbo range. 1st n 2nd gears are limited but in 3rd... its pretty quick to say the least!!

I used to think these had the ST engine, but a little further digging found out they dont.  :nerd:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: SoundillusioN on 19 December 2011, 16:23
like the look of that mazda 3 mps :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDpfgY34ec8&feature=related

Can't see the vid at work....

Like the new one too, especially in white and when tarted up a little............

(http://www.mazdapits.com/images/mazda-3-mps-white/mazda-3-mps-white-picture-8272.jpg)
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: shepgti on 19 December 2011, 16:50
dam that looks nice :cool:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 19 December 2011, 20:13
That looks wicked.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 21:03
right folks i have been for a test drive in a focus st today and i have to say this is going to be my next car im not even going to bother test driving the others,the owner even took me out in his own green focus rs f**k me sideways that is one flame spiting monster the st is quick but not even in the same league as the rs,but he said the st  can be made alot quicker with about £500 thanks for the feedback but i have made my mind up :laugh:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Adam on 19 December 2011, 21:13
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Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 19 December 2011, 21:16
right folks i have been for a test drive in a focus st today and i have to say this is going to be my next car im not even going to bother test driving the others,the owner even took me out in his own green focus rs f**k me sideways that is one flame spiting monster the st is quick but not even in the same league as the rs,but he said the st  can be made alot quicker with about £500 thanks for the feedback but i have made my mind up :laugh:
just make sure u get the st-3 as it has full leather  :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 21:33
yeah i tested the st2 in blue tbh im not really that assed about leather i want the rs seats lol bet they will be as rare as rocking horse sh!t
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 19 December 2011, 21:35
yeah i tested the st2 in blue tbh im not really that assed about leather i want the rs seats lol bet they will be as rare as rocking horse sh!t
could prob get a set of them but the heated leather in the st-3 is great :smiley: but would cost a bit more than 500 to get near the rs
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 21:45
yeah im not that bothered about monster bhp i would either get the 275bhp for £400 or 310bhp for £1800 off puma speed im going to keep my vr6 for a track car tho as always wanted to do it
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: emery1990 on 19 December 2011, 21:45
This is what I would get http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=423735&st=0 damnnnn. Bit too much though, I'd take it for 5.5k 6k probs

This has to be the most whored Golf currently for sale - it's posted EVERYWHERE.

Personally I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole - the S3 hardware at the back has been gobbed in there with fabricated crossmembers and look at that tunnel - it's been 'made wider' at some point  :huh:

Dodgy.



Didnt even really at any other pics lol Just saw oak green 4wd 1.8t, thanks for pointing it out though I'll stay way away!!

Ive heard these mazdas don't corner well, think r32 on here has one?
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 21:47
(http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/169.gif)

i still have my vr6 that will be staying so i wont be leaving this site as its one of the best car forums i have been on
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 19 December 2011, 21:47
yeah im not that bothered about monster bhp i would either get the 275bhp for £400 or 310bhp for £1800 off puma speed im going to keep my vr6 for a track car tho as always wanted to do it
family member has a white 1 for sale but his old black 1 had somewer near 270 an pulled like a train an spat flames for fun  :evil:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 21:50
yeah they sound epic aswell,i just think for the money they are brilliant and its a volvo engine so reliable aswell,i have never seen a police volvo t5 broke down has anybody else lol
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 19 December 2011, 21:58
yeah they sound epic aswell,i just think for the money they are brilliant and its a volvo engine so reliable aswell,i have never seen a police volvo t5 broke down has anybody else lol
my cousin had a black 1 from new till 80000 miles never broke down once went through a good few front contis but :grin:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 22:00
haha nowt wrong with that
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 19 December 2011, 22:04
haha nowt wrong with that
there is when i had to pay for 2 as i had it 3month  :grin: an if u get 1 buy a spare wheel as they dont come with 1 just a can of sealer thats not worth a f**k :angry:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 19 December 2011, 22:10
haha not cheap then
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 19 December 2011, 22:24
haha not cheap then
168quid each they just spit cheap tyres  :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 20 December 2011, 08:41
Ive heard these mazdas don't corner well, think r32 on here has one?

They handle pretty well tbh, much less body roll than an ST. One thing you can say about the MPS is that its very possible to scare yourself, something that I found wasnt possible in the GTI, or ST.

with 265bhp as std, a trip to my local remap office after xmas should see about 290+  :evil:

As for the ST... good overall car that has been hurt with the cost of fuel going up recently. Just make sure you get a good one, a friend that had one went through quite a few turbos and other expensive bits  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: nickvw on 20 December 2011, 10:19
I was going to say go for the st  :wink:, you can get the facelift version st-3 now for under 10k which maybe my next move now the r32 has gone.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 11:27
yeah i was just going to get a st2 but the st3 there is not much difference in price so i would probably get an st3 either orange blue or white cant decide
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: PenguinGTI on 20 December 2011, 12:04
Off topic, that's a great picture of you're car nickvw  :cool:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: nickvw on 20 December 2011, 12:16
Cheers mate, was my first trip to the ring last summer and this was snapped by one of the pro photographers on the track side  :smiley:

On a side note i sold the r32 in august and am running a mk3 anni for the winter but hopefully be getting something newer in spring/summer when my bank balance has recovered from my wedding!!

Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 20 December 2011, 12:34
If you can afford to run it.. only one hot hatch to go for.

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used_cars/volkswagen/golf_r32_r/volkswagen_golf_3_2_v6_r32_4motion_5dr/277083

 :cool:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 20 December 2011, 13:16
f**k me the mileage is high on that considering its age.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: SoundillusioN on 20 December 2011, 13:19
f**k me the mileage is high on that considering its age.
Ex rep motorway  mile muncher  :undecided:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 20 December 2011, 13:19
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Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 20 December 2011, 13:54
I was going to say go for the st  :wink:, you can get the facelift version st-3 now for under 10k which maybe my next move now the r32 has gone.
can get them for alot less than 10k with the face-lift :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 13:56
If you can afford to run it.. only one hot hatch to go for.

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used_cars/volkswagen/golf_r32_r/volkswagen_golf_3_2_v6_r32_4motion_5dr/277083

 :cool:

i would love one but every man and his dog has got an r32 round my way and the same with civic type r's i want something that you dont see many of
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 20 December 2011, 14:29
If you can afford to run it.. only one hot hatch to go for.

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used_cars/volkswagen/golf_r32_r/volkswagen_golf_3_2_v6_r32_4motion_5dr/277083

 :cool:

i would love one but every man and his dog has got an r32 round my way and the same with civic type r's i want something that you dont see many of
have u thought what colour your going for :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 14:32
orange or blue if i get the orange i might need to get the old burberry cap out lol but i do like the blue one tbh
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: barrym381 on 20 December 2011, 14:39
orange or blue if i get the orange i might need to get the old burberry cap out lol but i do like the blue one tbh
theres a few red 1s about aswell dont see many of them :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 20 December 2011, 17:24
Focus ST; worst hot hatch out there at the moment  :laugh:

Awful mpg, slow, engine dies if you go over 300bhp. Getting one over an MPS is just mental. Go on the Focus owners site, even they moan about it and put it down  :lipsrsealed:

Enjoy though  :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 17:52
Focus ST; worst hot hatch out there at the moment  :laugh:

Awful mpg, slow, engine dies if you go over 300bhp. Getting one over an MPS is just mental. Go on the Focus owners site, even they moan about it and put it down  :lipsrsealed:

Enjoy though  :smiley:

lol slow what compared to a s3 i dont think they are mate,dont forget the st has the same engine as an rs but detuned so i dont think they die over 300bhp i reckon the little 2 litre you have would blow up before the 5 pot volvo lump with big bhp
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 20 December 2011, 18:15
You have really not looked into this  :lipsrsealed:

The RS is a massively re-worked lump. It really is very very different! The bore liners go on the St engine over 300bhp. Lots and lots of threads about it on the owners site. Was looking at them myself and got put off.

The 2.0 tfsi won engine of the year 3 years running and will see over 400bhp with ease before any strengthening is required. They are slow compared to most cars. Its a heavy car with not much bhp for the engine size. 2.5 litres and thats it  :huh:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: jeynesey on 20 December 2011, 18:19
ED30 if you can get one in your budget  :laugh:

One million percent agree :wink:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 18:32
ED30 if you can get one in your budget  :laugh:

One million percent agree :wink:

i have been in a ed30 did not rate it tbh
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 20 December 2011, 18:40
£2k and 370bhp  :cool:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: houston on 20 December 2011, 18:44
could you get an ed30 for less than 10k tho? last i looked they were still going for a bomb.

my money would be on the seat :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 20 December 2011, 19:06
You have really not looked into this  :lipsrsealed:

The RS is a massively re-worked lump. It really is very very different! The bore liners go on the St engine over 300bhp. Lots and lots of threads about it on the owners site. Was looking at them myself and got put off.

The 2.0 tfsi won engine of the year 3 years running and will see over 400bhp with ease before any strengthening is required. They are slow compared to most cars. Its a heavy car with not much bhp for the engine size. 2.5 litres and thats it  :huh:

Have to agree with all of this.. the ford/volvo lump is way down the pecking order in terms of performance/economy/reliability and the fact it makes the focus very nose heavy.

The 2.0 in the S3 and ED30  is far superior.


p.s. there is probably a very good reasson everyone in your area is driving a R32  :wink: :cool:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 19:16
You have really not looked into this  :lipsrsealed:

The RS is a massively re-worked lump. It really is very very different! The bore liners go on the St engine over 300bhp. Lots and lots of threads about it on the owners site. Was looking at them myself and got put off.

The 2.0 tfsi won engine of the year 3 years running and will see over 400bhp with ease before any strengthening is required. They are slow compared to most cars. Its a heavy car with not much bhp for the engine size. 2.5 litres and thats it  :huh:

Have to agree with all of this.. the ford/volvo lump is way down the pecking order in terms of performance/economy/reliability and the fact it makes the focus very nose heavy.

The 2.0 in the S3 and ED30  is far superior.


p.s. there is probably a very good reasson everyone in your area is driving a R32  :wink: :cool:


yeah cos there all drug dealing ass holes thinking there hard lol
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 20 December 2011, 19:44


yeah cos there all drug dealing ass holes thinking there hard lol

Im not sure how hard you can be sat in a car  :undecided:

Back to the fact its a much better car than the focus.. Although if they are that common I can see why you wouldnt want one. I would take an MPS for a spin, you may be surprised. Its worth getting over the focus just because of the better driving position if anything.  :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: justalex81 on 20 December 2011, 20:05
has the op had the finance approved yet?

cause this thread could be a massive waste of time  :grin: :laugh:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 20:19
yeah can get the finance no probs just waitin till after xmas
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 20 December 2011, 21:59
Please test an MPS before buying the turd of a car that is the ST.

Quickest hot hatch (bar the RS) out there in standard trim. A few £100 for a reliable 300bhp+ and more torque than most cars out there. Nice 2.3 engine, good spec (Bose etc) and hugely reliable!
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 20 December 2011, 22:02
i suppose i could try one there is a local mazda dealer near me i take it is not a wankel engine then cos my work mate had lots of trouble with his rx8
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Steve_PD on 20 December 2011, 22:07
2.3 litre, 4 cylinder turbo :cool:
Underestimated cars. As R32UK said comes fully loaded as standard and wont break
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 20 December 2011, 22:29
From rolling it will be quicker than any VAG car in standard trim, including mine.

It's the original engine of the ST (pre-bored) but its much stronger because of that!
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 20 December 2011, 22:39
... and as a shameless plug, I am selling mine in the new year if you are interested  :laugh: :grin:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Bellend on 20 December 2011, 23:43
Genuine question, explain leasing a car to me? How does it work out? So many mates are regretting it a few months down the line...  :undecided:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: PenguinGTI on 21 December 2011, 00:27
From rolling it will be quicker than any VAG car in standard trim, including mine.

It's the original engine of the ST (pre-bored) but its much stronger because of that!

What about the Cupra R/ Scirocco R? Because I know that both of these cars are quicker from a rolling start than the Golf R/ S3 Counterparts.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 21 December 2011, 07:25
Genuine question, explain leasing a car to me? How does it work out? So many mates are regretting it a few months down the line...  :undecided:

Is this question aimed at me?  :rolleyes:

I know this is off topic, but that really has not relevance to the topic at all  :grin:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 21 December 2011, 07:30
From rolling it will be quicker than any VAG car in standard trim, including mine.

It's the original engine of the ST (pre-bored) but its much stronger because of that!

What about the Cupra R/ Scirocco R? Because I know that both of these cars are quicker from a rolling start than the Golf R/ S3 Counterparts.

I doubt there would be much in it tbh, the R and S3 only lose out slightly due to AWD losses. The MPS offers alot of bang once you are rolling and into 3rd onwards.

I took 2 firends out in it and asked them to compare what they thought to the remapped GTI, In their words the mazda was brutal... and would of left the GTI for dead. As the driver I know the GTI was putting out 265bhp bang on and felt it would have been much tighter.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Jack3559 on 21 December 2011, 10:25
What about something different like the CTR FD2 Jap import?

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4331974969_980e11ff56_o.jpg)

(http://www.fd2.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fd2-honda-civic-type-r-51.jpg)
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: bigstring on 21 December 2011, 10:54
Very nice choice that Jack.......

350 or a 370? not a hatch but still...
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 21 December 2011, 11:54
tbh i dont want another vtec you got to rag the sh!t out of them to get anywhere,i would like a 350-370 z but i need back seats and a boot having a kid a baby seat just wont fit
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: PenguinGTI on 21 December 2011, 12:48
From rolling it will be quicker than any VAG car in standard trim, including mine.

It's the original engine of the ST (pre-bored) but its much stronger because of that!

What about the Cupra R/ Scirocco R? Because I know that both of these cars are quicker from a rolling start than the Golf R/ S3 Counterparts.

I doubt there would be much in it tbh, the R and S3 only lose out slightly due to AWD losses. The MPS offers alot of bang once you are rolling and into 3rd onwards.

I took 2 firends out in it and asked them to compare what they thought to the remapped GTI, In their words the mazda was brutal... and would of left the GTI for dead. As the driver I know the GTI was putting out 265bhp bang on and felt it would have been much tighter.

The reason I ask is because having come across a few MPS 3s, my mapped GTI has had no problem pulling away on the motorway - and this has been against both generations of MPS 3. I've also had a few goes against them at the dragstrip and the MPS although as you say they take a while to really get rolling and get the power on full whack.

I know obviously my GTI is mapped so it's an unfair comparison (although the power is similar) but I'd imagine something like the Scirocco R would be able to deal with them.

I'd also add that when I first had the GTI a gen 1 MPS 3 tried to lose me up a slip road onto the motorway. I managed to stick on his tail and that was with the GTI standard.

Perhaps the DSG has a role to play in these results though.  :undecided:

I really like the MPS, preferred the first gen as the styling was more subtle. I've always smiled when I see them on the road as there really isn't anything obvious to tell you of the nuclear power sitting in front of the driver. I didn't know the 2.3 was the same engine as the 2.5 in the Focus hatches - does that mean that it also is a Volvo engine?

Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 21 December 2011, 13:00
I dont know much about the engine, i didnt really do much looking into it before I bought one  :lipsrsealed: :laugh:


I know that they have to be run on 97+RON fuel or will not make the quoted BHP figures. Lots of people dont use the correct fuel simply because they are tight ar$e$... lets face it thats why they bought the mazda in the first place  :lipsrsealed:


They are however much more difficult to drive than the GTI, that I will say. To get and stay in the power band is no easy job! So I imagine a remapped GTI would easily keep up with one. Lets face it there isnt much in it anyway, but in the right hands the MPS is up there, but ease of use is one of the GTI's key features. It certainly isnt one on the list of mazdas.  :nerd:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: PenguinGTI on 21 December 2011, 13:06
Yep, from what I've heard from the various MPS drivers throughout my encounters the car is actually quicker if you shift up well before the redline.

They are great cars though.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 21 December 2011, 14:03
They are restricted in 1st and 2nd gear, gen2 is quicker also. With the weight difference and a good driver I would always bet on the MPS over a r/Cupra from rolling. The torque is much higher. A remap can yield 300bhp an close to 400lb/ft!!
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Steve30 on 21 December 2011, 22:29
R32 great motor and still a class drive  :drool:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Adam on 21 December 2011, 22:41
A mate has a white Honda Civic Type R FD2 saloon and it's the best handling fwd car I have ever been in.

Don't get a 350z.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Bellend on 21 December 2011, 22:43
A mate has a white Honda Civic Type R FD2 saloon and it's the best handling fwd car I have ever been in.

Don't get a 350z.

370 is quite tasty.

Unfortunately it thinks much the same about petrol and it's a fat bastard.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Adam on 21 December 2011, 22:45
A mate has a white Honda Civic Type R FD2 saloon and it's the best handling fwd car I have ever been in.

Don't get a 350z.

370 is quite tasty.

Unfortunately it thinks much the same about petrol and it's a fat fatherless son.

Personally I think they look horrendous. The rear lights look like they came off a Juke.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Bellend on 21 December 2011, 23:01
A mate has a white Honda Civic Type R FD2 saloon and it's the best handling fwd car I have ever been in.

Don't get a 350z.

370 is quite tasty.

Unfortunately it thinks much the same about petrol and it's a fat fatherless son.

Personally I think they look horrendous. The rear lights look like they came off a Juke.

Would you care if you were inside and weren't paying for fuel though?
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 22 December 2011, 07:20
A mate has a white Honda Civic Type R FD2 saloon and it's the best handling fwd car I have ever been in.

Don't get a 350z.

370 is quite tasty.

Unfortunately it thinks much the same about petrol and it's a fat fatherless son.

Personally I think they look horrendous. The rear lights look like they came off a Juke.

Would you care if you were inside and weren't paying for fuel though?

Have you seen the inside? Would rather be outside tbh
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Jack3559 on 22 December 2011, 08:38
(http://www.carsmagz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Nissan-370Z-40th-Anniversary-Edition-2010-Interior-570x348.jpg)

Can't see why you'd rather be outside...
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 22 December 2011, 10:16
(http://www.carsmagz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Nissan-370Z-40th-Anniversary-Edition-2010-Interior-570x348.jpg)

Can't see why you'd rather be outside...

You cant see because you have been blinded by all the cheap shiney black plastic inside. No wonder that interior pic shows the seats rather than the dash.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Adam on 22 December 2011, 10:35
All the Zeds have cheap interior plastics.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: jeynesey on 22 December 2011, 10:49
What did you dislike so much about the edition 30? Nicest all-rounder I've ever been in  :smiley:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Adam on 22 December 2011, 11:48
What did you dislike so much about the edition 30? Nicest all-rounder I've ever been in  :smiley:

I think they are awesome cars and would be on my short list if I was ever untreated in a petrol.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: R32UK on 22 December 2011, 12:21
What did you dislike so much about the edition 30? Nicest all-rounder I've ever been in  :smiley:

I think they are awesome cars and would be on my short list if I was ever untreated in a petrol.

agree. i ed30 with xenons is high on my list of cars to have... turbo lag is a little greater than the gti but that can/should be fixed pretty easily
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: jimbooboo on 22 December 2011, 13:09
Im really tempted by Megane F1 R26 230bhp LSD handle great and like sh!t off a shuvel
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Rhyso on 22 December 2011, 13:22
What did you dislike so much about the edition 30? Nicest all-rounder I've ever been in  :smiley:

I think they are awesome cars and would be on my short list if I was ever untreated in a petrol.

agree. i ed30 with xenons is high on my list of cars to have... turbo lag is a little greater than the gti but that can/should be fixed pretty easily

What I can't work out is that the OP has been in an ED30, didn't like it much yet put a MK5 GTI on the shortlist  :huh:

ED30 + remap = Fastest car on the planet. Fact
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: johnnyvr6 on 28 December 2011, 18:37
just looking through the classifieds and spotted this i no its alot older than the other cars but what do you think does it look o reet
http://www.jjccarsupermarket.co.uk/used-cars/audi-s3-s3-quattro-3dr-225-wigan-201134411214616
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: clancy on 28 December 2011, 18:43
my RS clio ? lol
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 28 December 2011, 20:14
What did you dislike so much about the edition 30? Nicest all-rounder I've ever been in  :smiley:

I think they are awesome cars and would be on my short list if I was ever untreated in a petrol.

agree. i ed30 with xenons is high on my list of cars to have... turbo lag is a little greater than the gti but that can/should be fixed pretty easily

What I can't work out is that the OP has been in an ED30, didn't like it much yet put a MK5 GTI on the shortlist  :huh:

ED30 + remap = Fastest car on the planet. Fact

Don't be daft Rhys, everyone knows a mk3 and lcr engine is the fastest fast thing on the planet bar nothing.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: houston on 28 December 2011, 20:28
Im really tempted by Megane F1 R26 230bhp LSD handle great and like sh!t off a shuvel



could you live with it everyday tho?
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Rhyso on 29 December 2011, 12:45
What did you dislike so much about the edition 30? Nicest all-rounder I've ever been in  :smiley:

I think they are awesome cars and would be on my short list if I was ever untreated in a petrol.

agree. i ed30 with xenons is high on my list of cars to have... turbo lag is a little greater than the gti but that can/should be fixed pretty easily

What I can't work out is that the OP has been in an ED30, didn't like it much yet put a MK5 GTI on the shortlist  :huh:

ED30 + remap = Fastest car on the planet. Fact

Don't be daft Rhys, everyone knows a mk3 and lcr engine is the fastest fast thing on the planet bar nothing.

Sorry; must have been having a blonde moment  :embarassed:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: ashw831 on 29 December 2011, 14:35
Im really tempted by Megane F1 R26 230bhp LSD handle great and like sh!t off a shuvel



could you live with it everyday tho?

My best mate has got one, is a fantastic car, it really does go and handles brilliant!!

I am looking in to getting the new shape Focus RS early next year i think.
(Flamesuit ready) :wink:
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: Mikester on 31 December 2011, 15:41
I am really tempted to get an Ed30 next but the prices of them are all over the place.

3 door silver would be my shout.
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: JulesS3 on 31 December 2011, 17:36
Sod a car, im just going to get a bike until i move out of london, then an RS3. Focus RS=Torque steer
Title: Re: hot hatch which one to go for
Post by: james2 on 02 January 2012, 01:05
cheap honda civic and tune it . = kick arse. :grin: