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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: I.D.C. on 18 December 2011, 20:17
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Found this article which might be of some interest. Then again maybe it has been covered if so you have my apologies.
According to the article the GTI will gain 10 bhp which might not sound a lot however add that to 70kg knocked off the GTI weight and you are looking at a significantly increase in power and fuel saving. Weight loss will mean even better handling than the current model.
Looking at the price of the new Focus - Astra - Civic - BMW 1 It should be able to give you an idea of what the Golf will cost
Personally I have a feeling when orders are being taken I will put one in
http://www.motorindustry.org/2011/11/16/2013-vw-golf-mk-7-autobild-renderings/
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You have to think that the GTI is loosing ground again just like the mk 3 and mk 4.
10bhp and 60kg less, 250bhp is bare minimum now for a hothatch, And the GTI falls well short
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This talk of 220hp makes me :sad:
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The GTI is no longer the premium golf, the R brand is. It now competes with the VXR/ST etc and the GTI becomes the lower sports model.
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The GTI is no longer the premium golf, the R brand is. It now competes with the VXR/ST etc and the GTI becomes the lower sports model.
The GTI is being made to be on a par with corsa's and fiesta's, All the competetion gets more power. Vw always to conservative.
The important bit first: the new VXR gets a 2.0-litre turbocharged four-pot petrol engine developing 280bhp - some 40bhp over the original - and a considerable 295lb ft of torque. No performance times have been supplied, save for its 155mph top speed, but you can expect it to hit 62mph in under six seconds.
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http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/new-vauxhall-astra-vxr-revealed-2011-11-04
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FOCUS ST NEW
Both a five-door hatchback and - more surprisingly - a five-door estate have been shown. Power comes from a 2.0-litre four-cylinder Ecoboost turbocharged petrol engine in place of the previous ST's 2.5-litre turbocharged five. Despite the loss of capacity, the new motor makes a claimed 246bhp - 24bhp more than the old car - accompanied by a fat 266lb ft of torque.
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http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/272425/ford_focus_st_makes_its_debut.html
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We wont know until it comes out. Autocar are never to be trusted on anything! I expect they are close though, unfortunately.
All well and good aiming it at the corsa/fiesta etc, but pricing it well above is silly.
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No chance of me buying one at 220hp. That's just crap.
Vauxhall/Ford for me if I go buy a hot hatch or BMW if I go down the second hand route. 220 I'm afraid just doesn't cut it anymore.
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Corsa's and fiesta's??? :huh: Ok the GTI is not the fastest hot hatch out there and it could be argued that it isn't "hot" at all when compared to the likes of the focus ST or VXR but what it is is a very competent all rounder, to compare it to quick supermini's is rediculous imo.
If all i wanted to do was drive everywhere flat out i'd buy a Focus RS and have change from what i paid for mine to fill the tank but i don't, i quite like the relatively comfortable ride and half decent fuel economy and not looking like a complete tit with bright green paint or daft chequered flag stickers.
Point is that there is a place for the GTI, that may well be behind other hot hatches but that suits me as well as lot of others out there.
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I'm with Jimble on this.
In reality, 220bhp ought to be enough for the majority of UK Journeys given the state of the roads and other traffic, but if it isn't, there is always Bluefin. I'd much rather be sat in a Golf just getting on the the job, than I would be in one of its "rivals" analising its dynamics in a way that an "Evo" staff writer would.
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Corsa's and fiesta's??? :huh: Ok the GTI is not the fastest hot hatch out there and it could be argued that it isn't "hot" at all when compared to the likes of the focus ST or VXR but what it is is a very competent all rounder, to compare it to quick supermini's is rediculous imo.
If all i wanted to do was drive everywhere flat out i'd buy a Focus RS and have change from what i paid for mine to fill the tank but i don't, i quite like the relatively comfortable ride and half decent fuel economy and not looking like a complete tit with bright green paint or daft chequered flag stickers.
Point is that there is a place for the GTI, that may well be behind other hot hatches but that suits me as well as lot of others out there.
Nail on head.
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The golf gti will never the the fastest hot hatch but no doubt it will be the best.
Others need ridiculous bhp to compete with the golfs all round practically and heritage.
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You should be a salesman Lee. :grin:
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Corsa's and fiesta's??? :huh: Ok the GTI is not the fastest hot hatch out there and it could be argued that it isn't "hot" at all when compared to the likes of the focus ST or VXR but what it is is a very competent all rounder, to compare it to quick supermini's is rediculous imo.
If all i wanted to do was drive everywhere flat out i'd buy a Focus RS and have change from what i paid for mine to fill the tank but i don't, i quite like the relatively comfortable ride and half decent fuel economy and not looking like a complete tit with bright green paint or daft chequered flag stickers.
Point is that there is a place for the GTI, that may well be behind other hot hatches but that suits me as well as lot of others out there.
Nail on head.
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thing is while the other cars are getting bigger and fatter the golf is getting lighter so dynamically weight saving is the best way to go. if it is 70kg lighter than the current car it will make a big difference in all aspects of driving.
give me a GTI over a vxr any day of the week. ok its quick but handles like a pig and looks like a 8 year old drew it.
and i agree - as a do anything and be anything car everyone wants and can live with the GTI wins hands down. its THE hot hatch for every man. I'm sure the mk7 with be even better again.
plus i think it will come with more than a claimed 220bhp. VW aren't stupid and seem very smart at product/market placement.
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I have to admit the mk7 has a lot to live up to for me to change from the mk6.
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You should be a salesman Lee. :grin:
First day of holiday and I cant help myself. Cheese............
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Golf Recent road test against.
New model Focus
New model Astra
New model Civic
New mdel BMW 1
It has to be remembered the current Golf is an older mark 5 with some changes. Yes this older car ( GOLF ) Beat all the new models that have just come onto the market place.
There is something that can be 'guaranteed' the next mark 7 GTI will be a much better car than the current one.
If there is a poster comparing a Fiesta and Corsa to a GOLF then I would suggest he takes his Golf to his nearest dealer for it to be checked out as something must be seriously wrong with his Golf.
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As much as the talk of 220hp makes me :sad:, I still don't think it would ultimately put me off the GTI.
The GTI is no longer the premium golf, the R brand is. It now competes with the VXR/ST etc and the GTI becomes the lower sports model.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. I think it would be fairer to say that there are three premium Golfs.
1. The R is the performance flagship with the most power, the best traction and the most aggressive styling.
2. The GTD is the diesel flagship with great styling, real class and solid fuel consumption.
3. The GTI is the petrol flagship in terms of refinement, class and all-round ability.
All well and good aiming it at the corsa/fiesta etc, but pricing it well above is silly.
I don't think comparing the Golf GTI to a corsa/fiesta is all well and good. That's what the polo is for. Would you compare you're S3 to a Corsa/ fiesta... I don't think so. It's not just about power, it's also about build quality, refinement, class, practicality, size, safety etc etc.
thing is while the other cars are getting bigger and fatter the golf is getting lighter so dynamically weight saving is the best way to go. if it is 70kg lighter than the current car it will make a big difference in all aspects of driving.
give me a GTI over a vxr any day of the week. ok its quick but handles like a pig and looks like a 8 year old drew it.
and i agree - as a do anything and be anything car everyone wants and can live with the GTI wins hands down. its THE hot hatch for every man. I'm sure the mk7 with be even better again.
plus i think it will come with more than a claimed 220bhp. VW aren't stupid and seem very smart at product/market placement.
70kg isn't much to shout about. I'm sure some people on this forum could lose a lot more simply by not having as many options. Although your argument is spot on. VW are looking to constantly refine the Golf model family as a whole and this can be achieved by doing more than just chucking more power out of the engines.
But it's the last part of you're comment "VW aren't stupid and seem very smart at product/market placement." which hits the nail on the head. The problem for the GTI is not VW's capability, but the ceiling created for it in terms of performance by the R. VW wanted to save money with the Mk6 and as a result the R model was released with an older, tried and tested engine (taken straight from the S3). This created a dilemma in that the GTI would have to concede a significant power deficit compared to the R, hence the 210hp quoted figure. VW knew exactly how to market the GTI and R brands which, unfortunately for us GTI owners, left us feeling a little underpowered.
Hopefully the R will get the power it too deserves in the Mk7 (which should be over 300 at least) therefore allowing the GTI to once again bring the fight to it's own competitors from other brands (the Astra VXR, the Focus ST etc).
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Problem is the new corsa and fiesta both likely to have the same power as the GTI, those of you who say the gti doesn't compete against them are kidding yourselfs, both likely to be 9k cheaper:
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Problem is the new corsa and fiesta both likely to have the same power as the GTI, those of you who say the gti doesn't compete against them are kidding yourselfs, both likely to be 9k cheaper:
So the GTI wont compete with it's direct competitors from Ford Vaux Honda BMW ? Many of you also seem to think it will be priced far too high. Again my money is on it being competitive against it's competitors, it's not rocket science it has to be.
Everyone will have a better idea when the new A3 comes which will be as close to the new Golf's running gear as your going to get. It will also be priced much higher than a Golf.
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Problem is the new corsa and fiesta both likely to have the same power as the GTI, those of you who say the gti doesn't compete against them are kidding yourselfs, both likely to be 9k cheaper:
As I've said above, power isn't the only factor to consider when thinking about what makes vehicles 'competitors'. Both the Corsa and Fiesta are superminis, the golf is a family hatch. That in itself not only brings practicality into the mix, but also the image of the vehicles. Now of course, those looking at the GTI as a performance car might also consider the hot Corsa and Fiesta models, but those who are looking at the GTI as a family car with performance ability will not be interested in the limited practicality of the smaller superminis. Likewise those who are attracted to the class and quality of GTI badge are not likely to be seduced by a Fiesta or Corsa.
And again, as I said above. There is also the VW Polo GTI, which does compete with the Corsa and Fiesta offerings.
It's not inconceivable that someone considering a Golf GTI might also look at Corsa VXRs and Fiesta STs (I myself considered a MINI Cooper S JCW), but being realistic the direct competitors to the Golf from both the Vauxhall and Ford stables are the Astra and Focus respectively.
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Hold on a sec, the GTI is compared against the VXR/ST etc ? An icon classic, a refined symbol of motoring is up against 2 of the most f**king chavtastic cars around ? The only thing thats missing from them is the f**king burberry paint! And to whine and b!tch about it not having more BHP, is not what the GTI is all about, the GTI was never about how fast it is. If you want BHP go buy that big illuminous snotter RS.
f**k me, no wonder I dont come on here often anymore.
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Problem is the new corsa and fiesta both likely to have the same power as the GTI, those of you who say the gti doesn't compete against them are kidding yourselfs, both likely to be 9k cheaper:
So instead of people buying a Focus ST they should all be buying Fiestas as they're cheaper, nothing to to with the fact they need a bigger car :rolleyes:
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Hold on a sec, the GTI is compared against the VXR/ST etc ? An icon classic, a refined symbol of motoring is up against 2 of the most f**king chavtastic cars around ? The only thing thats missing from them is the f**king burberry paint! And to whine and b!tch about it not having more BHP, is not what the GTI is all about, the GTI was never about how fast it is. If you want BHP go buy that big illuminous snotter RS.
f**k me, no wonder I dont come on here often anymore.
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Well said Kev
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Hold on a sec, the GTI is compared against the VXR/ST etc ? An icon classic, a refined symbol of motoring is up against 2 of the most f**king chavtastic cars around ? The only thing thats missing from them is the f**king burberry paint! And to whine and b!tch about it not having more BHP, is not what the GTI is all about, the GTI was never about how fast it is. If you want BHP go buy that big illuminous snotter RS.
f**k me, no wonder I dont come on here often anymore.
Great response :cool:
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Hold on a sec, the GTI is compared against the VXR/ST etc ? An icon classic, a refined symbol of motoring is up against 2 of the most f**king chavtastic cars around ? The only thing thats missing from them is the f**king burberry paint! And to whine and b!tch about it not having more BHP, is not what the GTI is all about, the GTI was never about how fast it is. If you want BHP go buy that big illuminous snotter RS.
f**k me, no wonder I dont come on here often anymore.
With than kind of response you should come here more often.
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Jim
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f**k me, no wonder I dont come on here often anymore.
Reading some of this thread I would say you have a valid point. Some just don't get what the Golf GTI is about. Funny thing is most will want the new GTI when it comes out
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I get exactly what the GTi is about - I own two and have owned 6 in my time.
The point I was trying to make before is that eventually there'll come a price point beyond which many people will just say enough is enough, I can no longer justify this price premium/underpower compared to competitors. I seriously believe the GTi is representative of the fact that the whole VW range is hugely overpriced. I'm a subscriber to Volkswagen Driver magazine and I'm staggered by the price of most new VWs these days when I look at the listings in the back.
Last month's major test was a Jetta Sport TDi - it costs £21090.
A Golf GT TDi 140 BMT is £22670
A Polo Match 1.4 85bhp is £14485 for God's sake.
Don't get me wrong, Fords and Vauxhalls are very expensive too but the only people to benefit in my view from these huge prices are genuinely premium marques like Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes etc. No matter what VW and their marketing men think, VW is definitely not a premium marque.
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Hold on a sec, the GTI is compared against the VXR/ST etc ? An icon classic, a refined symbol of motoring is up against 2 of the most f**king chavtastic cars around ? The only thing thats missing from them is the f**king burberry paint! And to whine and b!tch about it not having more BHP, is not what the GTI is all about, the GTI was never about how fast it is. If you want BHP go buy that big illuminous snotter RS.
I didnt think my GTI was fast enough when i got it. Thats why i modified it almost straight away. Once it made 250bhp after the remap everything was how it should of been. Then i got bored again and went to 300bhp when before i could continue it got stolen.
I dont buy my car to ferry the kids around. Im a customer who buys a car to get the most enjoyment possible out of it.
Each car caters to a different market. When looking at a car I like to cover the ground quickly but in a degree of comfort.
You obviously bought the car for the image history whatever. which represents a portion of the market the gti is aimed at. I on the otherhand bought it as a performence car to be driven fast. I represent another portion of the market along with all the others inbetween.
Now i speak for somebody who will buy a gti for how it drives. How quickly it covers ground A > B. I would not buy a MK7 GTI at 220bhp for 27k. Sorry but no.
Alot of you will buy it which will continue to say to VW that they can offer less for more.
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I No matter what VW and their marketing men think, VW is definitely not a premium marque.
To be honest I carn't actually think of a more chavtastic brand then GTI. Dont get me wrong I love it but :undecided:
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I get exactly what the GTi is about - I own two and have owned 6 in my time.
I think its a northern thing. These southerns dont have the roads or countryside to drive fast. 220bhp round urban sprawls is more then enough.
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I get exactly what the GTi is about - I own two and have owned 6 in my time.
I think its a northern thing. These southerns dont have the roads or countryside to drive fast. 220bhp round urban sprawls is more then enough.
Are you more northern than me? :grin:
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Hold on a sec, the GTI is compared against the VXR/ST etc ? An icon classic, a refined symbol of motoring is up against 2 of the most f**king chavtastic cars around ? The only thing thats missing from them is the f**king burberry paint! And to whine and b!tch about it not having more BHP, is not what the GTI is all about, the GTI was never about how fast it is. If you want BHP go buy that big illuminous snotter RS.
I didnt think my GTI was fast enough when i got it. Thats why i modified it almost straight away. Once it made 250bhp after the remap everything was how it should of been. Then i got bored again and went to 300bhp when before i could continue it got stolen.
I dont buy my car to ferry the kids around. Im a customer who buys a car to get the most enjoyment possible out of it.
Each car caters to a different market. When looking at a car I like to cover the ground quickly but in a degree of comfort.
You obviously bought the car for the image history whatever. which represents a portion of the market the gti is aimed at. I on the otherhand bought it as a performence car to be driven fast. I represent another portion of the market along with all the others inbetween.
Now i speak for somebody who will buy a gti for how it drives. How quickly it covers ground A > B. I would not buy a MK7 GTI at 220bhp for 27k. Sorry but no.
Alot of you will buy it which will continue to say to VW that they can offer less for more.
Didn't you test drive show you that it was quick enough for you? If you want quick and comfort and style etc get an R, the GTI is clearly not the car for you.
It however is the car for 99% (10%) of the people on this forum and is the reason we are here. Regarding the £27k for a mark 7 I'd add more £'s to that I reckon that that will only be 3 door in bog standard form.
I will not be buying a MK7, not because of the reported 220 HP but because I will not pay that kind of money for a Golf. All of us on here could have bought an RS, an S3 Cupra R etc but chose not to for many reasons....
Jim
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It however is the car for 99% of the people on this forum and is the reason we are here.
Actually I wouldn't be so sure of that 99% :grin: The actual GTI owners over the whole forum are probably the 1% remnant.
All of us on here could have bought an RS, an S3 Cupra R etc but chose not to for many reasons....
Good point.
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Are you more northern than me? :grin:
your so far north your practically foreign
And Jimmy, Would you pay 27k if the golf was 300bhp?
Exactly, the price has to be factored against things such as power aswell as comfort.
27k More your saying. Has to be balanced against performence.
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Are you more northern than me? :grin:
your so far north your practically foreign
And Jimmy, Would you pay 27k if the golf was 300bhp?
Exactly, the price has to be factored against things such as power aswell as comfort.
27k More your saying. Has to be balanced against performence.
I wouldnt buy a 300bhp Golf unless it had four wheel drive, if I wanted a torque steering moster I'd have got an RS.
Tbh I think an R is where I am going next but a used one, I ain't paying close to £40k for a new good spec Golf.
Jim
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I wouldnt buy a 300bhp Golf unless it had four wheel drive, if I wanted a torque steering moster I'd have got an RS.
Tbh I think an R is where I am going next but a used one, I ain't paying close to £40k for a new good spec Golf.
Jim
Ha you dont know what your missing, Turned the gti into a real drivers car with 300bhp. But yes I bought a Golf R after my GTI was stolen.
Make sure you get the 3door ( Looks much better ) And get the DSG and 19" wheels for the blacked out xenons.
DSG is a real win after coming from the manual GTI
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Isn't that the point? - £27k for a 220bhp Golf is too much. If it were another 50/60 you could possibly think about it but there'll be countless BMs, Mercs etc. with that power for that price.
And in any case I won't be able to afford £27k so that's another potential customer VW have lost. When you're at nearly the £30k point the only social classes who can afford a car that expensive are less and less likely to buy a GTi. They'll buy an XF, a Mercedes or whatever so VW will eventually shoot themselves in the foot.
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I really don't get what all the whinging is about. VW build a very good car, tell us how much they want us to pay for it, and many people buy one. For those people who don't like that, don't have to buy one, but as VW know, there are plenty of other people that will.
If you want a faster car, then buy one. If you think the Golf is too expensive, buy a cheaper car, or just keep your current car a bit longer, save some more money and buy one when you can afford it.
There is another option. Wait a bit longer and buy a used one. There really is no shame in that. I'd rather have a second hand car on my drive that I had paid for, rather than being financed up on an identical looking new car, that deep down I knew wasn't really mine.
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I really don't get what all the whinging is about. VW build a very good car, tell us how much they want us to pay more it, and many people but one. For those people who don't like that, don't have to buy one, but as VW know, there are plenty of other people that will.
If you want a faster car, then buy one. If you think the Golf is too expensive, buy a cheaper car, or just keep your current car a bit longer, save some more money and buy one when you can afford it.
There is another option. Wait a bit longer and buy a used one. There really is no shame in that. I'd rather have a second hand car on my drive that I had paid for, rather than being financed up on an identical looking new car, that deep down I knew wasn't really mine.
Signed.
Jim
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And realistically how many people would buy a new car without finance? People just don't have 35k sat in the account ready to roll, and those that do arnt buying vw, nice deposit towards an R8.
That's the most stupid statement I've ever heard, of course the car is yours, it's like saying o I have a mortgage so the house isn't really mine.... There would be no 2nd hand cars to buy unless people got to pay on tick
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And realistically how many people would buy a new car without finance? People just don't have 35k sat in the account ready to roll, and those that do arnt buying vw, nice deposit towards an R8.
That's the most stupid statement I've ever heard, of course the car is yours, it's like saying o I have a mortgage so the house isn't really mine.... There would be no 2nd hand cars to buy unless people got to pay on tick
I bought mine for cash.....
The car isn't yours when you finance it other than through a personal loan. The car remains the property of the finance company. You can't compare the purchase of a house with the purchase of a car, they are completely different and regulated in different ways.
Jim
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And realistically how many people would buy a new car without finance? People just don't have 35k sat in the account ready to roll, and those that do arnt buying vw, nice deposit towards an R8.
That's the most stupid statement I've ever heard, of course the car is yours, it's like saying o I have a mortgage so the house isn't really mine.... There would be no 2nd hand cars to buy unless people got to pay on tick
I bought mine for cash.....
Me too. Always have and always will.
If people are taking out PCP's or similar over three years to drive around in a new car, what difference does the screen price make? Surely all that matters to them is what their monthly payments will be and whether you'll have anything in it at the end? VW's are supposed to have good residuals, so if you are only paying off the depreciation, it shouldn't cost anymore that a cheaper, faster depreciating car.
As for the £35k in the bank being enough for a deposit for an R8, I'd want a lot more behind me than that before even contemplating a car like that.
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Then you both are in the minority, poor people like me have to make do with 15k deposits, and pay the rest monthly... I pay 1.5k ontop of the sale price over 3year which keeps more money available @ the readys
Lombards finance company is a win, never use Vw finance
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The point I've tried to make and which some people still haven't got is that eventually fewer and fewer people will buy VWs at £30k prices, whether it be cash or finance. They're not worth that sort of money, full stop. So there will be fewer and fewer nearly new/second hand ones available for the likes of me to buy. You can't keep putting your prices endlessly upwards when all you have on the bonnet is a VW badge.
I've no idea when it will happen but it will.
£30k at the end of the day is not run of the mill money - it's premium money. Simple as.
My other point is that you are not treated at VW dealers like you've spent £30k. You may as well have bought a Fox. And that's where the premium marques come in cos I'm pretty damned sure if I'd spent £30k in a Lexus dealer, for example, I wouldn't be treated like a faceless number like I am at VW and be told my car's creaks and squeaks aren't fixed under warranty.
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I get the point you're making Andy, but I'm sure that there will still be people that will buy VW's long after you and many other people with similar opinions have taken their money to another dealership.
Whether we think their business strategy is right or wrong, I'm sure VW know a bit more about market forces than we do.
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I think its the £30k+ outright purchase for me too, and I mean to have that much cash tide up in a car.
I am in the minority too it seems as we paid cash for ours, and for me £25k+/- 2k is about s much as I'd want to pay for a new car as a cash purchase.
I have never thought of getting a PCP type thing, they seem not too meet my needs, as you tend to be tied to one manufcturer or they find ways of giving you a very low MGFV / baloon.
It also depends on the car I guess, if it ticked all the boxes 100% then I'd just save the extra until I could afford one.
End of day I like cars, we all do on here and we are not the types that will go and buy a brand new silver Pug 308 1.4 because we love everything about it will we?
We buy a GTi for everything that it is, and unfortunatly that costs us all.
Dave
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I get the point you're making Andy, but I'm sure that there will still be people that will buy VW's long after you and many other people with similar opinions have taken their money to another dealership.
Whether we think their business strategy is right or wrong, I'm sure VW know a bit more about market forces than we do.
It only takes a few of us to say "bubbles" to spending £30k and their marketing people might think again. What's interesting is that the obvious step to make within the VW group at the £30k point is to go buy an Audi as that's their premium arm. However, in my case, I hate the look of Audis so they lose me as a customer despite me loving the GTi. Now I'm no marketing man but surely that will become a problem?
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I think the problem is that there are so many fleet and company car sales that if a few private purchasers made the stand, it wouldn't make too much difference. It's not just VW, have a look at some other marques and spec a car up to the std you want. They are all getting shaggin' expensive!
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I get the point you're making Andy, but I'm sure that there will still be people that will buy VW's long after you and many other people with similar opinions have taken their money to another dealership.
Whether we think their business strategy is right or wrong, I'm sure VW know a bit more about market forces than we do.
It only takes a few of us to say "bubbles" to spending £30k and their marketing people might think again. What's interesting is that the obvious step to make within the VW group at the £30k point is to go buy an Audi as that's their premium arm. However, in my case, I hate the look of Audis so they lose me as a customer despite me loving the GTi. Now I'm no marketing man but surely that will become a problem?
I'd love to see what VW thought of the thread - "What car are you getting next" If I were working for VW I would be concerned over the almost unanamous view of the existing MK GTI drivers saying they wont be getting the MK7 GTI!
Jim
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They are getting too expensive but so is everything else aswell, im think i heard on the radio that Vw made record profits this last quarter so they won't be too concerned about a few of us moaning on here. Vw's have always been around 10-20% more than there rivals yet they have always sold.
For those who say if the mk7 gti starts at 27k they will look at Bmw's, Audi's why didn't you with the mk6 an mk5 and so on because you could have got a low spec bmw for the price of a new gti and the trend will continue imo.
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Simple answer to that is that when I ordered my GTi in May 09 it was £23k or so. Look at the new price now.
As for my whole argument I rest my case at this below. Fantastic car, no doubt, but utterly dillusional.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/used/search/#width@926%7Cheight@2196
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Sorry, the link didn't work - it was supposed to show a specced up R in Nuneaton for £40k.
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^^^^ yes and my point is when you paid 23k for your gti you could have brought a low spec Bmw for around that price just like you will when the mk7 gti comes out, also you can spec a bmw 3 series way above list with options.
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^^^^ yes and my point is when you paid 23k for your gti you could have brought a low spec Bmw for around that price just like you will when the mk7 gti comes out, also you can spec a bmw 3 series way above list with options.
Still bought the GTI though, mainly because I wanted a GTI.
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I wanted a 3 door hot hatch, BMW and MERC do not do one.
If I wanted a lowly spec 3 Series or 1 then I would get one for a company car.......
Dave
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^^^^ yes and my point is when you paid 23k for your gti you could have brought a low spec Bmw for around that price just like you will when the mk7 gti comes out, also you can spec a bmw 3 series way above list with options.
Yes and my point all along is that I wasn't comparing the GTi to a new BMW - I was comparing it to a 2nd hand fast one. At £23k I chose to buy the new GTi. At £30k I would choose the 2nd hand 330 or whatever every time so they've lost a customer.
That is my point because more and more people will do the same.
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Yes and my point all along is that I wasn't comparing the GTi to a new BMW - I was comparing it to a 2nd hand fast one. At £23k I chose to buy the new GTi. At £30k I would choose the 2nd hand 330 or whatever every time so they've lost a customer.
You can always spend £28,000 on a none sport DS4 Citron !
Jokes aside dose anyone know where the £27,000 figure came for the next GTI ?
The new 3 series is £500.00 cheaper than the model it replaces so who is to say what price the GTI will be.
Just read an article on ‘CAR’ magazine on the Scirocco R. The last paragraph made for interesting reading. To have as much fun as this driving you would need to buy a Porcha boxter.
I put a link up a few pages back on a Merc E class which I showed to my misses. She said she much prefers the anonymous style of the GTI. Have to agree with her. I’m 99.8% certain an order will be made for the mark 7 GTI. You just know it’s going to be a cracking car that will not be priced too far in front of it’s competitors
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^^^^ yes and my point is when you paid 23k for your gti you could have brought a low spec Bmw for around that price just like you will when the mk7 gti comes out, also you can spec a bmw 3 series way above list with options.
Still bought the GTI though, mainly because I wanted a GTI.
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ExactlyI wanted a 3 door hot hatch, BMW and MERC do not do one.
If I wanted a lowly spec 3 Series or 1 then I would get one for a company car.......
Dave
Well people should stop moaning about the price of a gti and comparing them to Audis Bmw's, if you don't want to pay go elsewere simple.
Im not moaning ive just brought a Edition 35 and will more than likely get a mk7 gti :smiley:
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^^^^ yes and my point is when you paid 23k for your gti you could have brought a low spec Bmw for around that price just like you will when the mk7 gti comes out, also you can spec a bmw 3 series way above list with options.
Yes and my point all along is that I wasn't comparing the GTi to a new BMW - I was comparing it to a 2nd hand fast one. At £23k I chose to buy the new GTi. At £30k I would choose the 2nd hand 330 or whatever every time so they've lost a customer.
That is my point because more and more people will do the same.
You could have had a 2nd hand 335i for 23k in 2009, i know what you are saying tho but on the other hand people like new cars so when faced with paying 27k for a brand new gti or 27k for a 2-3 year old fast Bmw most would go with gti if they are gti fans. Its always been the same. imo
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The price gap between VW and BMW etc has definately closed up, but that's probably got somthing to do with having to make room for Skoda and Seat below VW in the groups range.
In 1990, when my Mk2 was new, it cost about £12,500. That year, a mate of mine paid £29,000 for a BMW 525i. That price included optional extras such as a radio, electric rear windows and mats. It even had to make do with cloth seats. Today, you can get into a BMW 520i for £31,190 (albeit with no extras, but still better speced than one 20 years ago), which makes the Golf compartitively expensive.
However as said before, people will still "want" a Golf, so will buy one regardless of what it costs.
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i think a 525i was mid range back in the day when you could get a 518i. There is no doubt they are getting closer im not denying that but on the other hand would you really like a brand new Gti to be available to the masses for arguments sake 15k, i know i wouldn't.
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FOCUS ST NEW
Both a five-door hatchback and - more surprisingly - a five-door estate have been shown. Power comes from a 2.0-litre four-cylinder Ecoboost turbocharged petrol engine in place of the previous ST's 2.5-litre turbocharged five. Despite the loss of capacity, the new motor makes a claimed 246bhp - 24bhp more than the old car - accompanied by a fat 266lb ft of torque.
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http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/272425/ford_focus_st_makes_its_debut.html
The new ST will also have the option of Ford's DSG!!!
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I think that's a smart looking motor (as a hatch I might add). Shame about the gap between the bonnet and the grille - surely the bonnet's not closed properly on that yellow one?
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I think that's a smart looking motor (as a hatch I might add). Shame about the gap between the bonnet and the grille - surely the bonnet's not closed properly on that yellow one?
I think some GTI owners could be tempted by the new ST....
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I think that's a smart looking motor (as a hatch I might add). Shame about the gap between the bonnet and the grille - surely the bonnet's not closed properly on that yellow one?
I think some GTI owners could be tempted by the new ST....
Have had a hire car Focus then went straight into a Golf afterwards. How could I describe it ? The Golf feels a good class above the Focus.
Also the image of banging subwolfers and spoilers that wont look out of place on a plane would make me feel embarrassed to drive one.
However If it's just more speed you need then you can't argue against the Focus.
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I'm not entirely taken by the styling on the new Focus ST. I think it's tried a bit to emulate the VXR with the central exhaust pipe (a feature which I think the VXR pulls off better). I am also not too keen on the rear lights which are desperately trying to escape up the flanks of the car. Styling wise I am more taken by the proposed Astra VXR than by the new ST.
I am however very interested in the plans to offer a DSG alternative. I'm hoping that this will prompt VW to offer a more competitive GTI now that the hatches from other manufacturers are offering similar technology.
I think that's a smart looking motor (as a hatch I might add). Shame about the gap between the bonnet and the grille - surely the bonnet's not closed properly on that yellow one?
I think some GTI owners could be tempted by the new ST....
Have had a hire car Focus then went straight into a Golf afterwards. How could I describe it ? The Golf feels a good class above the Focus.
Also the image of banging subwolfers and spoilers that wont look out of place on a plane would make me feel embarrassed to drive one.
However If it's just more speed you need then you can't argue against the Focus.
But in terms of feel, I have to agree. Before purchasing, and again since having purchased, my GTI I've been fortunate enough to have driven (or at least been in) all of it's competitors (inc. Ford, Vauxhall, Mazda, Seat, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and Honda) The only car which felt similar in terms of quality was an Edition 30 GTI. The rest all had something about them which felt slightly cheaper. The exception perhaps is the Type R which is just fantastic inside - it feels like a race car - but the GTI IMO was of a much higher quality.
I'd even go so far as to say that the GTI is on a par with our previous Mercedes C-Class. Sure the badge might not have the same class to those who care, but the product behind the badge is definitely just as good (if not better) in that the Golf offers just the right level of refinement, sportiness, practicality, comfort, build quality and class for my requirements.
Of course this could all change as manufacturer's are constantly working to improve the models but after owning this GTI (and this has been my first VAG car really), I'm 99% convinced that the GTI will be the car for me again when the Mk7 is released.
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I think that's a smart looking motor (as a hatch I might add). Shame about the gap between the bonnet and the grille - surely the bonnet's not closed properly on that yellow one?
I think some GTI owners could be tempted by the new ST....
Have had a hire car Focus then went straight into a Golf afterwards. How could I describe it ? The Golf feels a good class above the Focus.
Also the image of banging subwolfers and spoilers that wont look out of place on a plane would make me feel embarrassed to drive one.
However If it's just more speed you need then you can't argue against the Focus.
I know its not a VXR but i sat inside a new Astra Elite, i think thats top of the range, and then i went and sat in a 1.4s golf next to it. Im not joking the golf was 4 classes higher. Astra was a complete mess and really crap plastic so i expect vxr to be the same.
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For anyone whos wants a hot hatch but a more prestige badge Audi Mr Men A1 quattro is coming to the UK starting at 34k. Make's the Golf R look like a bargin.
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For anyone whos wants a hot hatch but a more prestige badge Audi Mr Men A1 quattro is coming to the UK starting at 34k. Make's the Golf R look like a bargin.
Where do I sign? After all who wouldn't want an A1 for the same price as a 6 month old Porsche Caymen!!!
Jim
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Where do I sign? After all who wouldn't want an A1 for the same price as a 6 month old Porsche Caymen!!!
Jim
If it comes in with 400bhp who would't :O
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And to really stoke the flames
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/First-Official-Pictures/Audi-A1-Quattro-2012-first-official-pictures/
I dont think it looks that bad. Remap that and i think you'll be rinsing any caymen
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£30k for a top of the block polo! That's more than you'd want to spend on a phaeton with massaging seats.
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For anyone whos wants a hot hatch but a more prestige badge Audi Mr Men A1 quattro is coming to the UK starting at 34k. Make's the Golf R look like a bargin.
Where do I sign? After all who wouldn't want an A1 for the same price as a 6 month old Porsche Caymen!!!
Jim
I remember similar coments when the original quattro came out. :tongue:
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When comparing cars don't assume that the cars will actually have the stated hp because they mostley dont.
Tell you something though the amount of people that LOVE!!! Or loved there vxr's is amazing despite there crap reviews. ( especially j clarkson's)
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Interesting reading about what the MK7 will be like.
With that in mind I went to the very first pages of MK6 board to see what folk were guessing about the MK6.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=75.3220
Seems there was a GTI Plus always talked about with a 2.5L engine and of course the cost of the new MK6 and how it had been priced out of folks brackets.
Seems a bit of history repeating itself :smiley:
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Interesting reading about what the MK7 will be like.
With that in mind I went to the very first pages of MK6 board to see what folk were guessing about the MK6.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=75.3220
Seems there was a GTI Plus always talked about with a 2.5L engine and of course the cost of the new MK6 and how it had been priced out of folks brackets.
Seems a bit of history repeating itself :smiley:
There's always someone to ruin the fun :rolleyes:
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That A1 is hideous. Full stop.
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At least it looks better than the A1s I've seen driving around with the Audi Rally colours plastered over their sides. :sick:
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At least it looks better than the A1s I've seen driving around with the Audi Rally colours plastered over their sides. :sick:
The A1 isn't my cup of tea either but their LED DRL's look superb. Audi do the best LED DRL IMOs without exception.
Jim
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I'd rather walk than drive one of those A1s. It looks like something Noddy would drive!!
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Nope, Noddy has better taste
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT41jgs-Rxu1KAlI2NxMIJUcysoKrqmDun21MCy5G7s0_Q-LWs8)
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Thing is, the prices for all imported cars went up drastically when the £ V Euro dropped to almost £1 to 1euro.
Since then the £ is now worth nearly 1.2 euros and so you'd think that you would see a 15-20% drop in price, but no, those euro car makers just add the extra exchange rate to their coffers :angry: