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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Exonian on 11 July 2011, 14:31
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I've been thinking about my next car :smug: (as usual), so what are Golf GTDs like to drive on a day to day basis? :smug: :smug: :smug:
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I've been thinking about my next car :smug: (as usual), so what are Golf GTDs like to drive on a day to day basis? :smug: :smug: :smug:
I think that's a great idea, I'd love one too :wink:
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I've been thinking about my next car :smug: (as usual), so what are Golf GTDs like to drive on a day to day basis? :smug: :smug: :smug:
Funny you should think of this today of all days.
I drove my neighbour's Silver 4 door GTD yesterday for around 20 mins. He has bought a used sample with approx 4k on the clock. It has the Kenwood Sat Nav which I think sounds much better than the RNS 510 but does not compare in looks. Car in immaculate condition.
Impressions:
Colour: Quite fabulous in silver. Rather like the silver bars on the front grille. They look classy.
Wheels: 18" Charleys. They look very good but nowhere as nice as the Monza Shadows which look more OEM to these eyes.
Interior: Very similar to the GTI but the plaid seats look less distinctive than those in the GTI.
Handling: A bit nose heavy and not as fleet of foot as the GTI.
Ride: Not quite as good as the GTI. Could be due to tyre pressures and lack of ACC.
Engine: Noiser than the GTI especially from the outside, excellent mid-range pull, simply amazing mpg.
Road noise at 60 mph: I think very slightly less than mine due to GTD's Continental Tyres
Overall: A very, very good car but not as refined as the GTI. For me the GTI has that extra je nes se qua.
All the above IMO.
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I owned 5 GTi's including the ed30 and fell in love with GTD great car to own loads of torque MPG is just brilliant but the petrol heads on here will shoot me down ,the GTD is better than the gti only just though !! :grin: :smug: :smug: :smug:
PS its 46 degrees right now and no its not gone to my head :grin:
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I've been thinking about my next car :smug: (as usual), so what are Golf GTDs like to drive on a day to day basis? :smug: :smug: :smug:
TROLL...mods lock this thread... :laugh:
I may be a little facially challenged, but I don't quite compare to trolls in the looks department. :smiley:
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I owned 5 GTi's including the ed30 and fell in love with GTD great car to own loads of torque MPG is just brilliant but the petrol heads on here will shoot me down ,the GTD is better than the gti only just though !! :grin: :smug: :smug: :smug:
PS its 46 degrees right now and no its not gone to my head :grin:
What? Bang Kok in Thai Land? Again? :shocked:
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Funny you should think of this today of all days.
I drove my neighbour's Silver 4 door GTD yesterday for around 20 mins. He has bought a used sample with approx 4k on the clock. It has the Kenwood Sat Nav which I think sounds much better than the RNS 510 but does not compare in looks. Car in immaculate condition.
Impressions:
Colour: Quite fabulous in silver. Rather like the silver bars on the front grille. They look classy.
Wheels: 18" Charleys. They look very good but nowhere as nice as the Monza Shadows which look more OEM to these eyes.
Interior: Very similar to the GTI but the plaid seats look less distinctive than those in the GTI.
Handling: A bit nose heavy and not as fleet of foot as the GTI.
Ride: Not quite as good as the GTI. Could be due to tyre pressures and lack of ACC.
Engine: Noiser than the GTI especially from the outside, excellent mid-range pull, simply amazing mpg.
Road noise at 60 mph: I think very slightly less than mine due to GTD's Continental Tyres
Overall: A very, very good car but not as refined as the GTI. For me the GTI has that extra je nes se qua.
All the above IMO.
That's it then. Mind made up. A GTD it will be (possibly).I owned 5 GTi's including the ed30 and fell in love with GTD great car to own loads of torque MPG is just brilliant but the petrol heads on here will shoot me down ,the GTD is better than the gti only just though !! :grin: :smug: :smug: :smug:
PS its 46 degrees right now and no its not gone to my head :grin:
Are you sat in your sauna?
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That's it then. Mind made up. A GTD it will be (possibly).
Ahem. Ahem. Ahem. Until domani. :grin:
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I owned 5 GTi's including the ed30 and fell in love with GTD great car to own loads of torque MPG is just brilliant but the petrol heads on here will shoot me down ,the GTD is better than the gti only just though !! :grin: :smug: :smug: :smug:
PS its 46 degrees right now and no its not gone to my head :grin:
What? Bang Kok in Thai Land? Again? :shocked:
I wish Asker , my son couldn't take that flight i'm in Marmaris very hot my son is fast asleep , just seen a Lamborghini parked next to a Tig :smug:
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That's it then. Mind made up. A GTD it will be (possibly).
Ahem. Ahem. Ahem. Until domani. :grin:
Nope, my mind is made up.......ish.......
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I owned 5 GTi's including the ed30 and fell in love with GTD great car to own loads of torque MPG is just brilliant but the petrol heads on here will shoot me down ,the GTD is better than the gti only just though !! :grin: :smug: :smug: :smug:
PS its 46 degrees right now and no its not gone to my head :grin:
What? Bang Kok in Thai Land? Again? :shocked:
I wish Asker , my son couldn't take that flight i'm in Marmaris very hot my son is fast asleep , just seen a Lamborghini parked next to a Tig :smug:
A Tiguan holiday, rather than a Golf one.
For this, I prefer Tiguan. :smiley:
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That's it then. Mind made up. A GTD it will be (possibly).
Ahem. Ahem. Ahem. Until domani. :grin:
Nope, my mind is made up.......ish.......
Your future employment is terminated. :tongue:
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Honestly you wont regret buying a gtd , if I had the chance of GTI or GTD right now in UK then it would be the GTD all day :wink:
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Honestly you wont regret buying a gtd , if I had the chance of GTI or GTD right now in UK then it would be the GTD all day :wink:
as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
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as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
I'm an ex-SEAT owner (in fact I still am) so am used to all snotty VW drivers looking down their noses at me, I can take that!
I was looking at GT TDIs back along believe it or not. I quite fancy a DSG one as my mate's old lease car went like a rocket. Comfy too. Just add some nice wheels and LED tails and hey presto!
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Honestly you wont regret buying a gtd , if I had the chance of GTI or GTD right now in UK then it would be the GTD all day :wink:
as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
Is that over 2000 post's and we half agree on something Gilly ? :grin:
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Honestly you wont regret buying a gtd , if I had the chance of GTI or GTD right now in UK then it would be the GTD all day :wink:
as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
same can be said about R owners looking down at GTI owners...
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Honestly you wont regret buying a gtd , if I had the chance of GTI or GTD right now in UK then it would be the GTD all day :wink:
as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
Mind you, apart from online, when is the last time you saw an R? I've only ever seen two and then only briefly from afar.
same can be said about R owners looking down at GTI owners...
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I have two R owners within 1000m of me :undecided:
normally im sitting quietly waiting for them to put their foot down so I can chase them :laugh:
... although without an engine I really shouldnt bother :undecided:
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I have two R owners within 1000m of me :undecided:
That leaves about another 498 dotted around the country!
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as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
I'm an ex-SEAT owner (in fact I still am) so am used to all snotty VW drivers looking down their noses at me, I can take that!
I was looking at GT TDIs back along believe it or not. I quite fancy a DSG one as my mate's old lease car went like a rocket. Comfy too. Just add some nice wheels and LED tails and hey presto!
AGREED! :cool:
:grin:.... if we take this forum as a guide the make up of VW owners I would go as far as to say 90% of them are to$$ers anyway :laugh:
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as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
I'm an ex-SEAT owner (in fact I still am) so am used to all snotty VW drivers looking down their noses at me, I can take that!
I was looking at GT TDIs back along believe it or not. I quite fancy a DSG one as my mate's old lease car went like a rocket. Comfy too. Just add some nice wheels and LED tails and hey presto!
AGREED! :cool:
:grin:.... if we take this forum as a guide the make up of VW owners I would go as far as to say 90% of them are to$$ers anyway :laugh:
yep agree there ha ha ha :laugh:
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:grin: :lipsrsealed:
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.... if we take this forum as a guide the make up of VW owners I would go as far as to say 90% of them are to$$ers anyway :laugh:
Gilly, self praise is no praise. :tongue:
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If diesel is your thing then go for the GTD.
Sensible.
:sick: :sick: :sick:
http://www.masseyferguson.com/emea/gb/
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If diesel is your thing then go for the GTD.
Sensible.
:sick: :sick: :sick:
http://www.masseyferguson.com/emea/gb/
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.... if we take this forum as a guide the make up of VW owners I would go as far as to say 90% of them are to$$ers anyway :laugh:
Gilly, self praise is no praise. :tongue:
I take it all back.. there is just one BIG TO$$ER on here it appears :laugh: :tongue:
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I'd go for (in fact did) a GT TDI. I couldn't justify spending so much more money for the GTD. It's quick enough for 95% of the situations you'll encounter on an everyday journey and returns exceptional mpg.
As said before, a set of wheels make the difference, the cheapest of all mods, Yeti tips and keeping it clean makes for a good looking, do everything kind on car in my humble opinion.
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See I looked at a GT TDI 140 before the GTD, but once I had seen how much more you got and it had GTI looks. That was it GT TDI out the door + I wanted a little more coming from a mk5 GT TDI 140 (which I have to admit was great too). I would love a GTI but my fuel credit card would hate it. But my brain won over my heart. Although I have been looking at used mk5 GTIs recently to have as a toy, but is it really that much faster than the GTI, or should I Just get the GTD mapped.
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Get it mapped : )
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Oh no :wink: VW might find out, plus mine is ECU locked so i'm told.
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Not that locked :wink:
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Not that locked :wink:
One day! One day!
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Talk to me about GT TDI unlocking please Doc. My car came from your home town, so I'm sure it would be happy to take a trip back some day soon.
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.... if we take this forum as a guide the make up of VW owners I would go as far as to say 90% of them are to$$ers anyway :laugh:
Gilly, self praise is no praise. :tongue:
I take it all back.. there is just one BIG TO$$ER on here it appears :laugh: :tongue:
I admire your humility when you embarrass yourself. :smiley:
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I've been thinking about my next car :smug: (as usual), so what are Golf GTDs like to drive on a day to day basis? :smug: :smug: :smug:
April fool? in July. :wink:
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I've been thinking about my next car :smug: (as usual), so what are Golf GTDs like to drive on a day to day basis? :smug: :smug: :smug:
Both the GTI and GTD are very capable cars but, specifically re the GTD:-
I like the look of the GTD the chrome strip on the grill is less "in your face" and more classy rather than sporty.
Yes, you get the diesel rattle on start up but the cabin is well insulated so there's little noise intrusion into the cabin.
I love the mid-range torque that you get and the acceleration from stand still is plenty enough even if it is a blink or two behind the petrol engine
Oh and I visit petrol stations less often - I get 45-50 MPG and I don't drive like an old man!
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Talk to me about GT TDI unlocking please Doc. My car came from your home town, so I'm sure it would be happy to take a trip back some day soon.
Will do on Friday with some nice pics as I'm away in the Costa Del Crime at the mo having a well earned week of sun :wink:
Tops and bottoms are that the latest ECUs have anti tuning protection, I have a tool that circumnavigates this anti tuning protection to make them tuneable - in your case to around 170 BHP :wink:
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I've been thinking about my next car :smug: (as usual), so what are Golf GTDs like to drive on a day to day basis? :smug: :smug: :smug:
April fool? in July. :wink:
Whaaat? No......me?..........never.......I mean........surely........nooo.......err......really.........as if........
Despite what everyone seems to think, I've long championed the GTD and half wished I'd bought one originally, but as Fazz realised early on this thread was related to certain comments on another thread made by my partner in crime
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as good as the gtd can look... you will always get gti owners looking down their nose at you.
I would get the GT TDI 140 all day long (and remap it) :cool:
I'm an ex-SEAT owner (in fact I still am) so am used to all snotty VW drivers looking down their noses at me, I can take that!
I was looking at GT TDIs back along believe it or not. I quite fancy a DSG one as my mate's old lease car went like a rocket. Comfy too. Just add some nice wheels and LED tails and hey presto!
For me it's the DSG which made me buy another golf having come from a Mk5 GT DSG. I'd be more than happy with a GTD DSG but the GTI DSG has the added bonus of the nice popoing noise it makes from the exhaust when accelerating hard and quickly through the gears. Would be even better with the Miltek exhaust.
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Pulling the pin on a 1000lb grenade and lobbing it in here.....
Can you compare GTI and GTD a bit like football and Rugby
Both very good games with excellent roots, both require exemplary levels of fitness and strategy, but one game has more finesse and is full of hair dressers who scream foul very often whilst the other which has more of a brute like style sees a better game mentality that a player with half their head missing and one eye hanging out still wishes to play.
One attracts a more common man, the other traditionally more ivory league / upper class / sensible money demographic (Stopping short of Pipe and Slippers here).
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GTD's are ok if you cant afford a GTI.
Thing is, you will always look like the tw4t who cant afford a GTI if you buy one.
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GTD's are ok if you cant afford a GTI.
Thing is, you will always look like the tw4t who cant afford a GTI if you buy one.
I agree, I do too many miles, I'd have an R if I could :evil:
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GTD's are ok if you cant afford a GTI.
Thing is, you will always look like the tw4t who cant afford a GTI if you buy one.
I agree, I do too many miles, I'd have an R if I could :evil:
The R didnt exist when I bought my GTI.
I'm not knocking the GTD, its just that its a bit sh!te to be honest.
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If it's fuel economy your after any VW engined diesel will fit the bill but not the 1.6 tdi as I've never heard a good word about them from anyone that owns them, the GTD is the range topping golf diesel but I think the GT TDI offers better value really but the GTD seems more sought after used.
The 2.0 CR TDI is also very quiet, if not the quietest I've ever heard for an oil burner and the engine pulls strong and hard in all gears.
Driven slowly I can get amazing mpg, driven normally with some thrashing I see 50 mpg and if I "go fast" I never see below 40 mpg on the route I drive.
All in all it's like all modern VW's, it's a good car, but not a great car, I'll be going back to a BMW next I think as my last car, a BMW 535d was a great car indeed and I had no faults or problems with it apart from the optional 19" wheels cracking.....
I'd suggest driving a BMW 123d or an BMW Alpina D3 with the 2.0 Bi-turbo diesel engine before buying another VW.
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GTD's are ok if you cant afford a GTI.
Thing is, you will always look like the tw4t who cant afford a GTI if you buy one.
I agree, I do too many miles, I'd have an R if I could :evil:
The R didnt exist when I bought my
I'm not knocking the GTD, its just that its a bit sh!te to be honest.
You couldn't afford an r anyhow
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GTD's are ok if you cant afford a GTI.
Thing is, you will always look like the tw4t who cant afford a GTI if you buy one.
I agree, I do too many miles, I'd have an R if I could :evil:
The R didnt exist when I bought my
I'm not knocking the GTD, its just that its a bit sh!te to be honest.
You couldn't afford an r anyhow
Don't you kind of have to own a GTD to answer the question? :grin:
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Don't you kind of have to own a GTD to answer the question? :grin:
IMO I'd be happy with somebody chipping in who'd at least test driven, which I'm guessing many haven't.
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If you are dropping £30k into a bloody Golf, then the £800 difference (or whatever it is) makes no difference...all this bullsh!t about not affording it is just that: bullsh!t.
Oh...I can afford £29200 but not £30000. I don't think so.
If the GTD looked like the GTI in full from the rear, the red grille and the red highlighed interior, and didn't get sadled with fugly wheels I'd have likely have bought one.
I prefer the looks of the GTI, and with the miles I do the running costs don't come into it...but I got used to the torque delivery of my last daily (TDI) so would happily have bought a GTD.
Both are good cars, the GTI being slightly sharper, slightly quicker etc...but it's hardly a quantum leap.
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Yes many haven't as don't want to be proven wrong that they bought the wrong car to soon, shame eh doc they don't know what they are missing. Then there is the fact that Gtd owners paid less for their cars and will probably be worth more than gti's in a few years.......
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Am I the only one who thinks that vwkev is the only one on here who has a vendetta against the Gtd. Everyone else can see it qualities
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Am I the only one who thinks that vwkev is the only one on here who has a vendetta against the Gtd. Everyone else can see it qualities
He cant afford a GTD that's why :grin:
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I'm pretty sure that if you drove a GTI for six months, then drove a GTD for 6 months, the only things you'd really notice would be the noise and how often you visited petrol stations.
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I owned a Mk5 170 DSG GT before the GTI which was a fantastic car but was not quite the complete car for me which I find the GTI is. Some of this is done to a slight badge issue and some of this is down to a quest for a bit more speed. Although I would probably would say the same thing about an R compared to a GTI if I was to own one of those next.
The fuel economy was excellent on the GT. This is more relevant today seeing as the cost of fuel has risen to stupid levels in recent years. The 170 GT had bundles of mid range torque so excellent for motorway driving which is probably better suited for my daily commute in all honesty.
The MK6 GTD compares well in the looks department with the GTI especially when fitted with the charleston alloys.
So would I buy a GTD..... Yes is the answer but I wouldn't go out of my way to swap my GTI for one at this point. But when the Mk7 comes out I will certainly test drive a GTD and see how is compares to a GTI.
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Andy and I debated for 30 secs who should start this thread. As I am a tad unpopular and he is much loved, he carried the mantle.
I am a petrolhead and as I don't give a stuff about fuel economy, as don't do many miles, as I don't mind visiting petrol stations where I do most of my prowling, as I rather have the smoothest and quietest engine for my fast enough shopping trolly, as I have a Diesel Mercedes, I prefer the icon which is the GTI which suits my sensibilities.
Nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong in preferring a GTD if that's what floats your boat. But you all know it is NOT a GT with an 'I'. And there is nothing wrong with a bit of snob value.
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As a daily car to use now, regardless of the mileage I do, I would have a diesel over a petrol every time. Living in the sticks with an agricultural background, that's just the way we do things out here.
However, if I were buying a Mk6 in 20 years time as a fun weekend car, it would have to be a GTI for it's inconic status. I can't imagine owning a Mk2 GTD instead of my Mk2 16V
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As a daily car to use now, regardless of the mileage I do, I would have a diesel over a petrol every time. Living in the sticks with an agricultural background, that's just the way we do things out here.
However, if I were buying a Mk6 in 20 years time as a fun weekend car, it would have to be a GTI for it's inconic status. I can't imagine owning a Mk2 GTD instead of my Mk2 16V
I don't thing I'd touch either with a bargepole after 20 years of failing sensors and expensive electronic bits that have a limited shelf life.
A mk2 is an over engineered but very simple car. If you can find one that has been well cared for with all its original body panels you're on to a winner. You can replace a full engine in a mk2 for a few hundred quid. I reckon a new engine in a mk6 would cost thousands upon thousands.
A mk2s engineering is what VWs image still rests on with the fickle public suckered by slick marketing men. A mk6 is is just another throw away modern car.
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Andy and I debated for 30 secs who should start this thread. As I am a tad unpopular and he is much loved, he carried the mantle.
I am a petrolhead and as I don't give a stuff about fuel economy, as don't do many miles, as I don't mind visiting petrol stations where I do most of my prowling, as I rather have the smoothest and quietest engine for my fast enough shopping trolly, as I have a Diesel Mercedes, I prefer the icon which is the GTI which suits my sensibilities.
Nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong in preferring a GTD if that's what floats your boat. But you all know it is NOT a GT with an 'I'. And there is nothing wrong with a bit of snob value.
what he said.....
My 25th Anni was a diesal and whilst it was a great looking car, I missed the feel of a petrol engine - they way you can rev the nutz of it right up to the redline. In a the diesal I always felt the range of revs where the power was delivered was to short.
My mates used to wind me up all the time as well and say it's not a real GTI because it was an oil burner - this was guys that don't have any love for the GTI badge but their opinion was that if it's not a petrol then it's not a real GTI.
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Andy and I debated for 30 secs who should start this thread. As I am a tad unpopular and he is much loved, he carried the mantle.
I am a petrolhead and as I don't give a stuff about fuel economy, as don't do many miles, as I don't mind visiting petrol stations where I do most of my prowling, as I rather have the smoothest and quietest engine for my fast enough shopping trolly, as I have a Diesel Mercedes, I prefer the icon which is the GTI which suits my sensibilities.
Nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong in preferring a GTD if that's what floats your boat. But you all know it is NOT a GT with an 'I'. And there is nothing wrong with a bit of snob value.
what he said.....
My 25th Anni was a diesal and whilst it was a great looking car, I missed the feel of a petrol engine - they way you can rev the nutz of it right up to the redline. In a the diesal I always felt the range of revs where the power was delivered was to short.
My mates used to wind me up all the time as well and say it's not a real GTI because it was an oil burner - this was guys that don't have any love for the GTI badge but their opinion was that if it's not a petrol then it's not a real GTI.
Yeah, but your mates aren't paying your fuel bills and if you want to go round revving the nuts off it you're obviously not going to be a Diesel driver for very long. I don't have any mates so would have nothing to worry about!
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Am I the only one who thinks that vwkev is the only one on here who has a vendetta against the Gtd. Everyone else can see it qualities
Defend your car all you like but take off the blinkers ffs, its a f**kin Diesel and its a wannabe GTI.
I'm not telling any lies, its the truth and sometimes for an owner it hurts. Suck it up.
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Andy and I debated for 30 secs who should start this thread. As I am a tad unpopular and he is much loved, he carried the mantle.
I am a petrolhead and as I don't give a stuff about fuel economy, as don't do many miles, as I don't mind visiting petrol stations where I do most of my prowling, as I rather have the smoothest and quietest engine for my fast enough shopping trolly, as I have a Diesel Mercedes, I prefer the icon which is the GTI which suits my sensibilities.
Nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong in preferring a GTD if that's what floats your boat. But you all know it is NOT a GT with an 'I'. And there is nothing wrong with a bit of snob value.
what he said.....
My 25th Anni was a diesal and whilst it was a great looking car, I missed the feel of a petrol engine - they way you can rev the nutz of it right up to the redline. In a the diesal I always felt the range of revs where the power was delivered was to short.
My mates used to wind me up all the time as well and say it's not a real GTI because it was an oil burner - this was guys that don't have any love for the GTI badge but their opinion was that if it's not a petrol then it's not a real GTI.
Yeah, but your mates aren't paying your fuel bills and if you want to go round revving the nuts off it you're obviously not going to be a Diesel driver for very long. I don't have any mates so would have nothing to worry about!
You missed an important bit of my post - My 25th Anni was a diesal - was as in past tense, I missed a petrol engine too much.
This talk of petrol stations is also quite funny - Average tank i get 300 miles, around £65 quid. my friend has got a mondeo 2.2 tdci £100 to fill it up and he gets around 500 miles. There's not much in that for me to accept having a diesal again.
Anyway, at this moment in time, i don't care about fuel bills and I am happy with my petrol ...
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Am I the only one who thinks that vwkev is the only one on here who has a vendetta against the Gtd. Everyone else can see it qualities
Defend your car all you like but take off the blinkers ffs, its a f**kin Diesel and its a wannabe GTI.
I'm not telling any lies, its the truth and sometimes for an owner it hurts. Suck it up.
This. If only everyone could be so forthright and honest :grin:
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Am I the only one who thinks that vwkev is the only one on here who has a vendetta against the Gtd. Everyone else can see it qualities
Defend your car all you like but take off the blinkers ffs, its a f**kin Diesel and its a wannabe GTI.
I'm not telling any lies, its the truth and sometimes for an owner it hurts. Suck it up.
This. If only everyone could be so forthright and honest :grin:
I'll kind of second that - but being a newbie, I am obviously still trying to make a good impression :wink:
Although I am in a better positon than most to comment having owned a diesal GTI and a real GTI.
Mod's maybe it's time to move this thread, think it may be in the wrong forum :
http://forums.tdiclub.com/
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Another salient consideration is that I wish to have as little as possible noise and vibration intruding into the cabin as I have spent nearly £2000 (RNS510 not included in this amount) on the sound system and wish to enjoy my Classical music to the fullest.
Every little bit helps. :smiley:
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Am I the only one who thinks that vwkev is the only one on here who has a vendetta against the Gtd. Everyone else can see it qualities
Defend your car all you like but take off the blinkers ffs, its a f**kin Diesel and its a wannabe GTI.
I'm not telling any lies, its the truth and sometimes for an owner it hurts. Suck it up.
Wow...fancy that...a car that wants to be a GTI...because the GTI Golf is the bestest car in the whole world, isn't it?
It's a bloody Golf...
That's it. Lets not get ideas above our stations...it's a mass produced hatchback. That's all.
Surely if it wanted to be a GTI, they'd have called it a GTI TDI, not a GTD?
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Defend your car all you like but take off the blinkers ffs, its a f**kin Diesel and its a wannabe GTI.
I'm not telling any lies, its the truth and sometimes for an owner it hurts. Suck it up.
But it's not as if the GTI is all that when all is said and done. I think diesel owners bought them because that is what they prefer. Some GTI owners will have bought them for the badge snobbery. Showing off all they could afford. I'm sure there are both GTI and GTD owners on here that also have something far nicer tucked away, but don't wish to shout about it.
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Defend your car all you like but take off the blinkers ffs, its a f**kin Diesel and its a wannabe GTI.
I'm not telling any lies, its the truth and sometimes for an owner it hurts. Suck it up.
But it's not as if the GTI is all that when all is said and done. I think diesel owners bought them because that is what they prefer. Some GTI owners will have bought them for the badge snobbery. Showing off all they could afford. I'm sure there are both GTI and GTD owners on here that also have something far nicer tucked away, but don't wish to shout about it.
Look what is happening to us, soon we'll have threads called, my leather is more supple that yours (mine is by the way - courtesy of Meguiars Rich Leather Conditioner)
Jim
Jim
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Trying to avoid the petrol versus diesel debate, I will give you some genuine feedback about owning a GTD.
I swapped my Ed30 for a GTD. That was a mistake, which I remedied 6 months later when I got rid of it.
Pros-excellent interior (ie standard Mk6), comfortable and a genuine 50mpg (combined).
Cons-poor handling after a GTI, very nose heavy with pronounced understeer eg on roundabouts. No getting away from it, despite 170bhp it is slow (boring) after a GTI. You need to get the 18'' Vancouvers to make it look decent as the standard 17'''s look crap IMHO.
Mine was Carbon Grey and the paint literally fell off the bonnet at the slightest touch. Stone chipping the worst on any car I have owned (though not the GTDs fault as such, but VW paint in general?).
The GTD is typical of 'some' VW products, a triumph of marketing over substance (meaning it's too expensive). Just looking at second hand examples on the VW site the prices are ridiculous. It makes more sense in my opinion to buy the GT TDI and if you want extra performance get it mapped. There are plenty of specced GT TDIs including some with Vancouvers that are cheaper than a poverty spec GTD.
I appreciate that some people have modded their GTDs into great machines, but as standard and after a GTI mine soon left me flat.
Obviously as an 'infrequent' (ok, hardly ever) poster on here I am prepared to be flamed (!!), but having gone through the GTD 'process', I feel well placed to advise others.
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^^ good honest post :wink: :smiley:
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I have to admit, over priced, but then again so is every other car these days buy a 2.0 diesel focus it will be over 20K, Astras join the club too, then again Top Gear quoted the Citreon DS3 Racing at 23K why buy one of them when you can have a GTI for a grand more. I know which one keeps its value more. Madness, all cars are expensive now. What about a new 1M it will cost you over 40K, blimey. Join the RS3 for 40K too and anyone that buys one must have gone mad. The only people that will be laughing are the government when fuel is twice the price next year. I remember 70p a litre i'm not that old and I am sure others can remember fuel even cheaper than that.
I think this sums is up:
Low Mileage per year = GTI
High Mileage per year = GTD
Faster = GTI (both in standard form)
Looks = GTI or GTD
600 miles to a tank = GTD
20000 miles in one year at 600approx miles to a tank = £2500 in fuel = GTD
20000 miles in one year at 300approx miles to a tank = £5000 in fuel = GTI (After a 4 year saving in fuel I could buy a used mk6 GTI if I wanted one).
Higher Tax = GTI
Lower Tax = GTD
Higher Insurance = GTI
Lower Insurance = GTD
Anymore points?
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My final dribble, possibly, on this fascinating thread: Diesels especially don't like stop/start traffic 7 days a week, I have been given to understand possibly rightly or wrongly. In fact, I read in Autocar sometime ago, Audi have informed their dealers in Jersey, where the rigorously enforced speed limit is 30 mph, that Diesel engines may possibly run into problems as the DPF will not be operating at optimum temperature and could possibly start to malfunction by getting clogged, possibly.
One can't win either way it seems, possibly. :grin:
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20000 miles in one year at 600approx miles to a tank = £2500 in fuel = GTD
20000 miles in one year at 300approx miles to a tank = £5000 in fuel = GTI (After a 4 year saving in fuel I could buy a used mk6 GTI if I wanted one).
Most people I know with a GTD average about 45mpg, I average about 35mpg in my GTI.
In a GTD 20000 miles @ 45mpg @ £1.40/litre = £2828.62
In a GTI 20000 miles @ 35mpg @ £1.36/litre = £3506.91
So the GTI costs an extra £678.29 per year in fuel, not sure where the £2500 comes from.
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20000 miles in one year at 600approx miles to a tank = £2500 in fuel = GTD
20000 miles in one year at 300approx miles to a tank = £5000 in fuel = GTI (After a 4 year saving in fuel I could buy a used mk6 GTI if I wanted one).
Most people I know with a GTD average about 45mpg, I average about 35mpg in my GTI.
In a GTD 20000 miles @ 45mpg @ £1.40/litre = £2828.62
In a GTI 20000 miles @ 35mpg @ £1.36/litre = £3056.91
So the GTI costs an extra £678.29 per year in fuel, not sure where the £2500 comes from.
Just takes a little longer to save up then. Atlhough at 45mpg they must drive round with a lead foot all the time.
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Just takes a little longer to save up then. Atlhough at 45mpg they must drive round with a lead foot all the time.
Just trying to keep up with mr gti i imagine :laugh: :laugh:
go on... you know you were all thinking it! :grin:
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Just takes a little longer to save up then. Atlhough at 45mpg they must drive round with a lead foot all the time.
Just trying to keep up with mr gti i imagine :laugh: :laugh:
go on... you know you were all thinking it! :grin:
Lol :lipsrsealed:
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for what its worth... if i was
wasting investing my money, I would go for the GTD over the GTI :nerd:
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Yes, you would then be really wasting your money intentionally. :laugh:
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Yes, you would then be really wasting your money intentionally. :laugh:
no... its not a GTD before you ask :cool:
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Trying to avoid the petrol versus diesel debate, I will give you some genuine feedback about owning a GTD.
I swapped my Ed30 for a GTD. That was a mistake, which I remedied 6 months later when I got rid of it.
Pros-excellent interior (ie standard Mk6), comfortable and a genuine 50mpg (combined).
Cons-poor handling after a GTI, very nose heavy with pronounced understeer eg on roundabouts. No getting away from it, despite 170bhp it is slow (boring) after a GTI. You need to get the 18'' Vancouvers to make it look decent as the standard 17'''s look crap IMHO.
Mine was Carbon Grey and the paint literally fell off the bonnet at the slightest touch. Stone chipping the worst on any car I have owned (though not the GTDs fault as such, but VW paint in general?).
The GTD is typical of 'some' VW products, a triumph of marketing over substance (meaning it's too expensive). Just looking at second hand examples on the VW site the prices are ridiculous. It makes more sense in my opinion to buy the GT TDI and if you want extra performance get it mapped. There are plenty of specced GT TDIs including some with Vancouvers that are cheaper than a poverty spec GTD.
I appreciate that some people have modded their GTDs into great machines, but as standard and after a GTI mine soon left me flat.
Obviously as an 'infrequent' (ok, hardly ever) poster on here I am prepared to be flamed (!!), but having gone through the GTD 'process', I feel well placed to advise others.
So, what did you replace the GTD with, out of interest?
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I personally don't see the GTD as a GTI replacement, its just a posh understated mini-executive bruiser. Sound wise, if your really into your sound, what the hell are you looking for good sound in your car for, spend the dollar on a better home setup!
Everyone given a choice seems to prefer the R. Just insane running costs prevent GTI drivers moving up, which shows even they must care about costs...almost like a GTD owner. :evil:
All are silly money for mass produced vehicles, and lets face it if we were all really that into our performance we'd choose a 4 year old M5 or the like with very few miles on the clock. Not that I'm thinking this is an option if VW could take any longer to build a golf :laugh:
As to ACTUALLY owning one......I'm going with what GTD owners have posted, I suspect running costs are somewhere between these two...
.20000 miles in one year at 600approx miles to a tank = £2500 in fuel = GTD
20000 miles in one year at 300approx miles to a tank = £5000 in fuel = GTI (After a 4 year saving in fuel I could buy a used mk6 GTI if I wanted one).
Most people I know with a GTD average about 45mpg, I average about 35mpg in my GTI.
In a GTD 20000 miles @ 45mpg @ £1.40/litre = £2828.62
In a GTI 20000 miles @ 35mpg @ £1.36/litre = £3056.91
So the GTI costs an extra £678.29 per year in fuel, not sure where the £2500 comes from.
Just takes a little longer to save up then. Atlhough at 45mpg they must drive round with a lead foot all the time.
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20000 miles in one year at 600approx miles to a tank = £2500 in fuel = GTD
20000 miles in one year at 300approx miles to a tank = £5000 in fuel = GTI (After a 4 year saving in fuel I could buy a used mk6 GTI if I wanted one).
Most people I know with a GTD average about 45mpg, I average about 35mpg in my GTI.
In a GTD 20000 miles @ 45mpg @ £1.40/litre = £2828.62
In a GTI 20000 miles @ 35mpg @ £1.36/litre = £3056.91
So the GTI costs an extra £678.29 per year in fuel, not sure where the £2500 comes from.
... i have looked at your figures and cannot figure out how you calculated them :nerd: 20000/35 = 571.4 gallons = 2600lt*1.36 = £3,536 for your golf :nerd:
:huh: Most of the posts on this forum suggest that a GTI only gets above 30mpg if you drive it like your granny. And most GTD drivers seem to be getting above 50mpg unless they drive like mad men. My GTD is averaging 52mpg.
Even if we just look at your figure and my figure...
My GTD 20000 miles @ 52mpg @ £1.40/litre = £2,453
Your GTI 20000 miles @ 35mpg @ £1.36/litre = £3,536
I love my GTD it has lots of smiles per gallon :cool:
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... i have looked at your figures and cannot figure out how you calculated them :nerd: 20000/35 = 571.4 gallons = 2600lt*1.36 = £3,536 for your golf :nerd:
Just transposed the figures, should have read £3506.91, the difference was correct though. :nerd:
If you drive the GTI like a granny you can easily get mid 40's.. that's if you haven't fallen asleep first..
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And who has the time in this life to drive like a Granny, oh yes, Granny!
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Trying to avoid the petrol versus diesel debate, I will give you some genuine feedback about owning a GTD.
I swapped my Ed30 for a GTD. That was a mistake, which I remedied 6 months later when I got rid of it.
Pros-excellent interior (ie standard Mk6), comfortable and a genuine 50mpg (combined).
Cons-poor handling after a GTI, very nose heavy with pronounced understeer eg on roundabouts. No getting away from it, despite 170bhp it is slow (boring) after a GTI. You need to get the 18'' Vancouvers to make it look decent as the standard 17'''s look crap IMHO.
Mine was Carbon Grey and the paint literally fell off the bonnet at the slightest touch. Stone chipping the worst on any car I have owned (though not the GTDs fault as such, but VW paint in general?).
The GTD is typical of 'some' VW products, a triumph of marketing over substance (meaning it's too expensive). Just looking at second hand examples on the VW site the prices are ridiculous. It makes more sense in my opinion to buy the GT TDI and if you want extra performance get it mapped. There are plenty of specced GT TDIs including some with Vancouvers that are cheaper than a poverty spec GTD.
I appreciate that some people have modded their GTDs into great machines, but as standard and after a GTI mine soon left me flat.
Obviously as an 'infrequent' (ok, hardly ever) poster on here I am prepared to be flamed (!!), but having gone through the GTD 'process', I feel well placed to advise others.
So, what did you replace the GTD with, out of interest?
I replaced the GTD with a Ford Focus!
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If you drive the GTI like a granny you can easily get mid 40's.. that's if you haven't fallen asleep first..
How?
I get about 30 MPG average...and driving like a Granny, barely keeping up with traffic gives 35 MPG.
...the same driving in a Mk5 GT 170/Mk6 GTD gives 50+ MPG.
Real world, 'normal' driving I get 30-31 MPH...Mk5 GT 170/Mk6 GTDs seem to be getting 45-48 MPG on the same runs.
If I gun it, I can happily see early 20s MPG...the same TDIs will be giving mid to early 30s MPG doing the same run...and there is so little between the two on a back road, performance wise.
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Just normal driving a/b roads to work 50-60MPH, I have seen 47mpg.
I guess I'm just bored as there is nothing else to do but follow the flow. :rolleyes:
I can also get low 20's after a more sprited run home on a Friday afternoon :evil:
Someone posted recently, with pictures, that they have got over 40 in an R, although I think they were really bored :smiley:
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40+ in an R,
Same with all of them, why buy any performance like golf and drive it like a Granny, you might as well buy a ford focus (ST and RS excluded).
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Am I the only one who thinks that vwkev is the only one on here who has a vendetta against the Gtd. Everyone else can see it qualities
Defend your car all you like but take off the blinkers ffs, its a f**kin Diesel and its a wannabe GTI.
I'm not telling any lies, its the truth and sometimes for an owner it hurts. Suck it up.
Ouch!
:grin: :grin: