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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Golf mk4 TDI => Topic started by: Golf_GT_TDI on 05 July 2011, 12:57
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Hi guys, can anyone link me to some information or describe the TDI models as I have a few questions...
There were 115ps, 130ps and 150ps models? I'm thinking the 130 model is best to go with for economy/performance?
I've heard 'PD' engine mentioned what does that mean? can anyone tell me more about the different engines used? pro's/con's
What models had the 6 speed gearbox? and what was the standard spec of each model?
Thanks.
I'm looking to buy a 2002/3 black 5dr 130 model with leather and climatronic, the leather I guess I could add later.
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To start with the non-PD engines are
60BHP SDI Non-turbo
90BHP
110BHP(SE, GT TDI)
PD
100BHP
115(6 Speed)(SE, GT TDI)
130(6 Speed)(Highline, GT TDI)
150(6 Speed)(Highline, GT TDI, GTI)
This is all I can remember and what engine comes in what specs and trim.
What is PD,
The term translates from German directly as 'unit injector', and refers to the method of fuel delivery used by all modern Volkswagen diesel engines. Conventional diesels have one fuel pump, but this system has four.
This means that the fuel can be more highly pressurised, and used more efficiently by the engine.
Volkswagen says the benefits of Pumpe Duse include a high power output, coupled with low emissions and excellent fuel efficiency.
I would say the 130 is the best all rounder. Don't suffer from camshaft wear quite as much, higher torque than the 150 and less boost pipes to blow off.
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130's are both 5 and 6 speed btw.
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130's are both 5 and 6 speed btw.
Really? Didn't know that. Thought they all came in 6speed in the Bora and Golf and 5speed in Pissrats?
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Luck of the draw really, it's a bit like which model of mk5 Diesel comes with a DPF, finger in the wind job.
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Luck of the draw really, it's a bit like which model of mk5 Diesel comes with a DPF, finger in the wind job.
Ahh friday afternoon car? I have never seen one though.
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Ah thats excellent cheers for replies :smiley:
So the 6 speed was an option then but most had it?
Can anyone else add any more info spec wise?
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It wasn't on the options list on the 130.
Spec wise have a look here - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/equipment/Detail.aspx?deriv=21556#amount=16255&years=3
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Interesting read thanks :cool:
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130's are both 5 and 6 speed btw.
Thought it was the 115's that were 5 and 6 speed? :undecided:
I know the 130 engine in the Audi's were 5 speed only
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130's are both 5 and 6 speed btw.
Thought it was the 115's that were 5 and 6 speed? :undecided:
I know the 130 engine in the Audi's were 5 speed only
My point.
I wasn't sure if we were just talking VW or across the range so covered both. :smiley:
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130's are both 5 and 6 speed btw.
Thought it was the 115's that were 5 and 6 speed? :undecided:
I know the 130 engine in the Audi's were 5 speed only
My point.
I wasn't sure if we were just talking VW or across the range so covered both. :smiley:
Gotcha :smiley:
Fook the lot and get a 535D and remap it :evil: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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been telling you that for years Rhys :evil: :evil: :evil:
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been telling you that for years Rhys :evil: :evil: :evil:
Went in one last Friday mate; Carbon had remapped it to 342bhp and just over 500lbs ft torque from 1800rpm :shocked: :shocked:
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I would say the 130 is the best all rounder. Don't suffer from camshaft wear quite as much, higher torque than the 150 and less boost pipes to blow off.
the 130 is the better engine but very peaky compared to 150
i've had both and the 150 has a noticably longer torque curve but 130 is more eager
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Currently on the look out for one decided will go for 130 or 150 depending on best car that comes up, there is not much about at the moment at the right price :sad:
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been telling you that for years Rhys :evil: :evil: :evil:
if i didn't live on a hill i'd have another beemer
so well sorted cars.
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130 m8 :cool: i have bora sport 115 and chipped it and its at 155bhp and its quick enough!! or you can get a 130 pd and it will remap up to 170 180 if very lucky :wink: all 130 gt tdi are 6 speed and so are most 115 !! i have heard problems with 150s so i would keep away :lipsrsealed:
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130 m8 :cool: i have bora sport 115 and chipped it and its at 155bhp and its quick enough!! or you can get a 130 pd and it will remap up to 170 180 if very lucky :wink: all 130 gt tdi are 6 speed and so are most 115 !! i have heard problems with 150s so i would keep away :lipsrsealed:
all pd's are weak if wrong oil used
i remember the 115's (the first real PD's) to be soft as 5hite so i'm guessing they all can have probs if not looked after.
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I would say the 130 is the best all rounder. Don't suffer from camshaft wear quite as much, higher torque than the 150 and less boost pipes to blow off.
the 130 is the better engine but very peaky compared to 150
i've had both and the 150 has a noticably longer torque curve but 130 is more eager
It's not a better engine, its the same engine basically.
Better torque curve means nothing after a remap
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I would say the 130 is the best all rounder. Don't suffer from camshaft wear quite as much, higher torque than the 150 and less boost pipes to blow off.
the 130 is the better engine but very peaky compared to 150
i've had both and the 150 has a noticably longer torque curve but 130 is more eager
It's not a better engine, its the same engine basically.
Better torque curve means nothing after a remap
better choice is what i meant
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I would say the 130 is the best all rounder. Don't suffer from camshaft wear quite as much, higher torque than the 150 and less boost pipes to blow off.
the 130 is the better engine but very peaky compared to 150
i've had both and the 150 has a noticably longer torque curve but 130 is more eager
It's not a better engine, its the same engine basically.
Better torque curve means nothing after a remap
better choice is what i meant
Not sure why you think they are a better choice the 150 is a great engine, never had any problems with mine and it has done 125k, i have owned it for 4-5 years.
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more of them to chose from ...... wider use in VAG range
I've go the 150 now - i think it's great
now as frugal as the 130 but goes like a train
I'm not scared of cam probs / turbo probs etc I kow car will be serviced right
using correct spec oil.
Some say that the 150 doesn't map as well.....how?
bigger turbo and injectors and FMIC.
The weak point there is the clutch is same 240mm unit used in 130pd.
My car apprently has a mild remap (clutch friendly) It kept up with a heavily mapped Ibiza
cupra Tdi and didn't smoke like a tug boat
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Injectors are the same I believe
You get more bhp out of a 130; upto 50bhp in some cases whereas the 150 tends to make about 30-40bhp
Also the 130 tends to make more torque; most of the 150's seem to struggle to make over 300lbs ft torque :undecided:
Certainly the 170 engine in my Audi doesn't produce as much torque as my old 130 and the driving experience is very different.
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Injectors are the same I believe
You get more bhp out of a 130; upto 50bhp in some cases whereas the 150 tends to make about 30-40bhp
Also the 130 tends to make more torque; most of the 150's seem to struggle to make over 300lbs ft torque :undecided:
Certainly the 170 engine in my Audi doesn't produce as much torque as my old 130 and the driving experience is very different.
so basically they end up the same ish after map. but smaller turbo spools faster so feels quicker
i had an octavia VRS Pd- i didn't thnk the map made much difference
130pd's do map very well. Had 3 ........in past
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Injectors are the same I believe
You get more bhp out of a 130; upto 50bhp in some cases whereas the 150 tends to make about 30-40bhp
Also the 130 tends to make more torque; most of the 150's seem to struggle to make over 300lbs ft torque :undecided:
Certainly the 170 engine in my Audi doesn't produce as much torque as my old 130 and the driving experience is very different.
i had an octavia VRS Pd- i didn't thnk the map made much difference
130pd's do map very well. Had 3 ........in past
With a 170 engine??
Mine has certainly made a difference; more urge lower down and a very strong top end :evil:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/Rhyso/Audi%20A3/195.gif)
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had a 140 dsg and a 170 manual both remapped
just not impressed by the oil drinking 2.0 tdi. PD
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had a 140 dsg and a 170 manual both remapped
just not impressed by the oil drinking 2.0 tdi. PD
I've had to top mine up on a couple of occasions; will be interesting to see how it fairs as its been switched from longlife to time & distance
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had a 140 dsg and a 170 manual both remapped
just not impressed by the oil drinking 2.0 tdi. PD
I've had to top mine up on a couple of occasions; will be interesting to see how it fairs as its been switched from longlife to time & distance
I would never run a car on longlife ..defo worth changing the oil & filter every 10k max
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had a 140 dsg and a 170 manual both remapped
just not impressed by the oil drinking 2.0 tdi. PD
I've had to top mine up on a couple of occasions; will be interesting to see how it fairs as its been switched from longlife to time & distance
I would never run a car on longlife ..defo worth changing the oil & filter every 10k max
Didn't have a choice with the Audi as I wasn't the first owner lol. It only had 1 service in 24,000 miles before I bought it :shocked:
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Didn't have a choice with the Audi as I wasn't the first owner lol. It only had 1 service in 24,000 miles before I bought it :shocked:
24k jeez oil must have been like tar :grin:
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Didn't have a choice with the Audi as I wasn't the first owner lol. It only had 1 service in 24,000 miles before I bought it :shocked:
24k jeez oil must have been like tar :grin:
Oil was changed at 18K and then I changed it 29K although that was well ahead of the apparent 15,000 miles still to go before its next service :shocked: :shocked:
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Injectors are the same I believe
You get more bhp out of a 130; upto 50bhp in some cases whereas the 150 tends to make about 30-40bhp
Also the 130 tends to make more torque; most of the 150's seem to struggle to make over 300lbs ft torque :undecided:
Certainly the 170 engine in my Audi doesn't produce as much torque as my old 130 and the driving experience is very different.
and what happens after a little while.... :lipsrsealed:
130 m8 :cool: i have bora sport 115 and chipped it and its at 155bhp and its quick enough!! or you can get a 130 pd and it will remap up to 170 180 if very lucky :wink: all 130 gt tdi are 6 speed and so are most 115 !! i have heard problems with 150s so i would keep away :lipsrsealed:
get problems with 130's as well
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/432164.aspx
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130's are both 5 and 6 speed btw.
Thought it was the 115's that were 5 and 6 speed? :undecided:
I know the 130 engine in the Audi's were 5 speed only
My point.
I wasn't sure if we were just talking VW or across the range so covered both. :smiley:
Then your forgetting about the 160PD If we were talking about the whole range.