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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: GolfTi on 02 May 2010, 21:03
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Maybe should have posted in the remapping section but didn't want any abuse from the R-Tech guys.
Bluefin is the name of the handheld unit from Superchips which you can order on line for approx £445 (including remap s/w).
Order/pay on line a couple of days later the unit arrives.
You then need to plug into the port under the light control switch and copy your original ECU map to the bluefin device.
Next you need to install the bluefin CD s/w onto your PC and download your new map after your original map has been checked. (I had to download Windows Vista drivers from the Superchips website at this stage).
Then plug into the port under the light switch, following the instructions on the unit and your GTI is transformed.
It's normal to get error lights during installation and the car may ‘cough’ a little on first start up.
The original map is still on the device so you can revert to this whenever required.
On my first test drive the difference was very noticeable - almost scary. Superchips claim 274bhp and 372 Nm which I can well believe, the car feels so much faster and smoother, the torque is available in all gears. Wheel spin in 1st and 2nd takes a little getting used to and is a no no in the wet.
Yesterday I went on a 200 mile trip and would say 'normal' driving mpg is 5% + better (in case you need to justify it to your logical side of the brain/better half).
Enthusiastic driving and mpg is way down as you’d expect.
Insurance - for me is actually less as I was paying over the odds with Direct Line, they wouldn’t insure any mods at all. I got 2 quotes from my new insurer with and without the remap there was around £120 difference.
Warranty – yet to find out for real, Superchips will warranty any parts caused to fail by the remap, tricky to prove I imagine but remember you can revert to the original map whenever you need.
Plenty on here like Revo or R Tech. I can’t compare, sure they are great. I went for bluefin because of the ability to restore to the original map.
In my opinion – well worth the money whichever company you go for.
Those of you indisposed to any sort of risk should just enjoy your fantastic car as it is.
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Excellent write up. Thanks so much.
The way this car is bleeding me, I think Bluefin will be the most economical and convenient option for me.
Now that's another £500 on top of the £2450 I am bleeding. :cry:
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Excellent write up. Thanks so much.
The way this car is bleeding me, I think Bluefin will be the most economical and convenient option for me.
Now that's another £500 on top of the £2450 I am bleeding. :cry:
it will cost even more in petrol due to the right foot!!
Excllent write up ! :grin:
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Great write up.
I'm considering the Bluefin as mk6 isn't quite as fast as my old ED30. seems good value for money too.
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Excellent write up. Thanks so much.
The way this car is bleeding me, I think Bluefin will be the most economical and convenient option for me.
Now that's another £500 on top of the £2450 I am bleeding. :cry:
it will cost even more in petrol due to the right foot!!
Excllent write up ! :grin:
Yes, the temptation is much greater. :evil:
The petrol you 'save' gets blown away in a moment (or two) of madness...
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I got mine remapped. it really transforms the car. Prior to my map I was a bit sceptical that such a simple process could change the car but I remember the night I drove out my estate (the guy came to my house to do it) and I just prodded the throttle in 2nd. WOW! It actually felt brutal compared to how the car was.
Congratulations on getting your map. I am happy you are pleased with it. For the first 2 weeks I wasn't sure I was enjoying mine as the car became quite savage in my opinion but once I got used to the added thrust I became quite happy.
I would guess I'm around the same level of power as you - got a RR day booked so I'll let you know how it goes.
Anyway as I was saying i'm happy that your happy. Well done :smiley:
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Got mine Revo'd at xmas time and as you get a few more miles on and the car loosens up it just gets better and better :wink: :smiley:
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Got mine Revo'd at xmas time and as you get a few more miles on and the car loosens up it just gets better and better :wink: :smiley:
I am going to wait for Wolfgang to naturally loosen(!) up: 2000 miles should do it.
I will then re-map. Have to discuss this with my Insurance Company. :rolleyes:
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Got mine Revo'd at xmas time and as you get a few more miles on and the car loosens up it just gets better and better :wink: :smiley:
I am going to wait for Wolfgang to naturally loosen(!) up: 2000 miles should do it.
I will then re-map. Have to discuss this with my Insurance Company. :rolleyes:
At least 2k. Insurance is bound to go up and some companies won't entertain the idea. Plenty do and you may be in for a pleasant surprise like me.
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I got mine remapped. it really transforms the car. Prior to my map I was a bit sceptical that such a simple process could change the car but I remember the night I drove out my estate (the guy came to my house to do it) and I just prodded the throttle in 2nd. WOW! It actually felt brutal compared to how the car was.
Congratulations on getting your map. I am happy you are pleased with it. For the first 2 weeks I wasn't sure I was enjoying mine as the car became quite savage in my opinion but once I got used to the added thrust I became quite happy.
I would guess I'm around the same level of power as you - got a RR day booked so I'll let you know how it goes.
Anyway as I was saying i'm happy that your happy. Well done :smiley:
Cheers
Do let us know about the RR results.
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i think the tuners are always a bit conservative about there figures, i think Revo promise 275 but this is what mine managed on the rollers
258 bhp
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/scan0001.jpg)
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Neil: Did your insurance premium go up when you informed them?
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Neil: Did your insurance premium go up when you informed them?
I changed insurance Co and got it cheaper :wink:
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Neil: Did your insurance premium go up when you informed them?
I changed insurance Co and got it cheaper :wink:
I am with Zurich. They did not even ask me if I had any mods on the car!
I will give them a call Tues. If they don't agree or increase the premium unnecessarily, I'll have to threaten them with cancellation (I know it won't work).
I do want to re-map, but only after 2000 miles.
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i think the tuners are always a bit conservative about there figures, i think Revo promise 275 but this is what mine managed on the rollers
258 bhp
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/scan0001.jpg)
Not had mine measured yet so 275 may not be accurate. What fuel was yours measured with??
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Neil: Did your insurance premium go up when you informed them?
I changed insurance Co and got it cheaper :wink:
I am with Zurich. They did not even ask me if I had any mods on the car!
I will give them a call Tues. If they don't agree or increase the premium unnecessarily, I'll have to threaten them with cancellation (I know it won't work).
I do want to re-map, but only after 2000 miles.
Insurance companies are all different, some do mods, some don't and some don't care.
A few return trips to Nottingham should sort out your mileage deficiency. :wink:
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Insurance companies are all different, some do mods, some don't and some don't care.
A few return trips to Nottingham should sort out your mileage deficiency. :wink:
I might drop this down to 1500 miles but not via Nottingham!
I was also thinking of installing a mechanical limited slip differential later on.
It is £603.75 + VAT for a 6 speed manual.
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/Golf%206%20Pages/Golf%206%20Drivetrain%20LSD%20Road.html
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Is that result not the OPPOSITE of "conservative" and may be called optimistic (= false info) :sick:
I think 45 Bhp is the most chippers can get out of e.g. the GTI by changing the parameters....if I read all there stuff...
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Got mine Revo'd at xmas time and as you get a few more miles on and the car loosens up it just gets better and better :wink: :smiley:
I am going to wait for Wolfgang to naturally loosen(!) up: 2000 miles should do it.
I will then re-map. Have to discuss this with my Insurance Company. :rolleyes:
I have 2200 km on the counter and coming thursday my "Porbeagle"will get his ABT Tuning when filled up with 98 Ron...btw I have 3 mm spacing.. :wink:
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The guy who installed my map said that he was aiming for around 270bhp. He said though that a RR session might vary between 250-280 depending on how the RR is calibrated. From what I hear it is more likely that the RR is calibrated wrongly than your car is producing varying power levels.
I'm not too bothered about the RR results. Having taken the car down the 1/4 mile before and after the map has shown some considerable increase in performance. That and the fact that the car simply feels faster leads me to believe that the map was both fairly accurate and ultimately worthwhile.
that having been said I still want to get a readout just so I can see how much my car is producing. Even if it was stock I think I would still take it because some folk on here were getting up to 230bhp from a standard car - pretty impressive!
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It is near impossible (and not wise) to get the GTI up to more than 260 BHP on the basis of Diagnose On Board alone... :wink:
A pro tuner JD Engineering is able to get it above 260 BHP but doing so in a sensible way implies a lot more then changing parameters.... :wink:
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It is near impossible (and not wise) to get the GTI up to more than 260 BHP on the basis of Diagnose On Board alone... :wink:
A pro tuner JD Engineering is able to get it above 260 BHP but doing so in a sensible way implies a lot more then changing parameters.... :wink:
Depends on a few things like what output your car was at stock level, which fuel did you use then and which do you use now.
I think +45bhp is quite typical for most remaps. That's a good 20%.
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exactly look at the gains the companys are quoting not the bragging BHP numbers. Search out the graphs and data of the car they did the initial design on and see what they recordered it as stock and then after the remap.
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If I was going to do anything of this nature, I think I would most probably opt for;
VWR panel airfilter,
Stage one VWR re-map, (claimed 260bhp & torque optimised),
VWR exhaust rear section,
VWR limited slip differential - fast road,
Uprated brake pads, again from VWR.
:shocked:
I’ve never played with any of my previous cars and haven’t swapped anything on this one, yet.....
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Mine is actually now being remapped as I type this.......................... :cool: :evil:
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Mine is actually now being remapped as I type this.......................... :cool: :evil:
I hope they don't confuse the d**es d**es 'the sea walls' :wink: and the sea! :evil:
Hope it does not become unmanagably fast for you! :grin:
All the best.
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Mine is actually now being remapped as I type this.......................... :cool: :evil:
I hope they don't confuse the d**es and the sea! :evil:
:huh:.....I don't get it... :embarassed:
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Mine is actually now being remapped as I type this.......................... :cool: :evil:
I hope they don't confuse the d**es and the sea! :evil:
:huh:.....I don't get it... :embarassed:
let's call it a d**e a 'sea wall' :grin:.... :wink:
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We cannot use any word like that for female gays which is the correct word for your protective sear walls! :rolleyes:
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Erik; When will it be ready?
Post your reactions ASAP, please.
Start a new thread for Abt re-mapping.
You may be the first to have had this done.
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Erik; When will it be ready?
Post your reactions ASAP, please.
Start a new thread for Abt re-mapping.
You may be the first to have had this done.
+1 :smiley: Should be a good read
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...just got a phonecall........READY...I am at work so I'll finish only the necessary bits and pick it up after half an hour... :smiley:.
I try to write some tonight.... :evil:
BTW
My wife is booking a hotel in Germany as I type...(no kidding!!)..... :lipsrsealed:
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Erik: Hurry up! Get your thread going! :wink:
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...just got a phonecall........READY...I am at work so I'll finish only the necessary bits and pick it up after half an hour... :smiley:.
I try to write some tonight.... :evil:
BTW
My wife is booking a hotel in Germany as I type...(no kidding!!)..... :lipsrsealed:
Woopsie daisy do! :shocked:
Burn that rubber, baby! :laugh:
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OK for those thinking about it but worried about insurance...
Try comparethemarket.com (others are available) and when filling in your quote information there is an option uder modifications for ECU remap. You'll soon find out who will and won't insure you. As I said earlier my quote worked out cheaper. :grin:
Simples.
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OK for those thinking about it but worried about insurance...
Try comparethemarket.com (others are available) and when filling in your quote information there is an option uder modifications for ECU remap. You'll soon find out who will and won't insure you. As I said earlier my quote worked out cheaper. :grin:
Simples.
Thanks to you I did, and as you know Admiral and Elephant came out tops. The re-map mod only cost £23 a year more!
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^ Report please when your'e done. I think you'll like. :drool:
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^ Report please when your'e done. I think you'll like. :drool:
You will be the first to know by PM! :smiley:
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Due to the way bluefin works i would be interested in seeing a rolling road session of a GTI.
That does a few runs with the standard VW map
Then a few runs with the superchips one since its a 20min or so job to re-program.
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Thanks to you I did, and as you know Admiral and Elephant came out tops. The re-map mod only cost £23 a year more!
I am with Elephant and called them the other day to change my reg to my personal one...
They charged me a £17.50 admin fee!!
Maybe a remap will only cost £23 extra, but no doubt they will another £17.50 ontop of that!
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Has anyone upgraded their GTD with a Bluefin remap - was it worth it!
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Thanks to you I did, and as you know Admiral and Elephant came out tops. The re-map mod only cost £23 a year more!
I am with Elephant and called them the other day to change my reg to my personal one...
They charged me a £17.50 admin fee!!
Maybe a remap will only cost £23 extra, but no doubt they will another £17.50 ontop of that!
Thats's nothing. Zurich wanted to charge me £40 for the rear LEDs!
What I did to avoid these admin costs with both Admiral and Elephant was to load up the mods I might want and then got the quote. I also got a quote without any mods. Most of the mods made little or no difference to the overall cost of the quote.
I am refining it gradually as I have until 30th May to finalise my list.
Must thank GolfTi once again for his help and advice.
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Has anyone upgraded their GTD with a Bluefin remap - was it worth it!
Have done the GT 140 I think its so much sweeter, better all round. Better economy as well,2,3,4 just seem to make the thing fly.... :smiley:
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Hi GolfTi.
When did you take delivery of your Golf?
It seems cars delivered in year 2010 cannot be re-mapped in the preferred way as per thread below!
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=154922.0
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Hi GolfTi.
When did you take delivery of your Golf?
It seems cars delivered in year 2010 cannot be re-mapped in the preferred way as per thread below!
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=154922.0
Ordered shortly after release date, September delivery so one of the first.
The GTI mk6 is still showing on the Superchips website so I suppose they don't know about this yet.
Shame. :angry:
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Thanks GolfTi. :smiley:
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Thanks GolfTi. :smiley:
So what are going to do now about the re-map? :wink:
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So what are going to do now about the re-map? :wink:
Fortunately or unfortunately, fcuk all! :grin:
Save the money (relief!), fit OEM Bi-Xenons (maybe later on if I can be bothered) and protect my warranty? :smiley:
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So what are going to do now about the re-map? :wink:
Fortunately or unfortunately, fcuk all! :grin:
Save the money (relief!), fit OEM Bi-Xenons (maybe later on if I can be bothered) and protect my warranty? :smiley:
Amy
After all that fuss you disappoint me. :cry:
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Amy
After all that fuss you disappoint me. :cry:
I have no choice with the way things are. Fcuk it. I'll drive my bucket knowing the warranty is intact and being continouusly p!ssed off that your car is faster. :grin:
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Come over to Good Ol Holland and arrange via JD Engineering a remap.
They work also with VW dealers who for a couple of 100 euro take full guarantee over...
Took me a few months to find out but...Yessss I agree they all are VW criminals... :lipsrsealed:
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Come over to Good Ol Holland and arrange via JD Engineering a remap.
They work also with VW dealers who for a couple of 100 euro take full guarantee over...
Took me a few months to find out but...Yessss I agree they all are VW criminals... :lipsrsealed:
And if Wolfgang breaks down in the UK I am well and truly stuffed! :rolleyes:
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That depends...I think the guarantee could be worldwide...you have to check... :wink:
My point is that the VW factory cannot approve a guarantee claim in Holland and disapprove the same claim because it is England...we have laws for this you know :laugh:
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That depends...I think the guarantee could be worldwide...you have to check... :wink:
My point is that the VW factory cannot approve a guarantee claim in Holland and disapprove the same claim because it is England...we have laws for this you know :laugh:
Try getting the dealers to obey the Law. Their attitude is 'The Law is an Ass'! :rolleyes:
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Hi GolfTi.
Spoke to Dominic at Superchips today. I think he is the owner.
It would seem that the latest GTis cannot be re-mapped through the diagnostic port and the ECU has to be physically removed for a re-map. Therefore, and very unfortunately for me, Bluefin cannot be used. The cost for this new way is the same and there is a mobile fitter who can do this. Not all Superchip agencies are able to re-map in this manner anymore as they require different software and training.
Dominic was not sure when the changes took place but as we have gathered from knowledgeable members, it was probably after BW44/45 last year. So this counts Wolgang out as he was BW7 this year. Lucky Wolfie.
The other thing he did suggest, which you had already, is to try Bluefin, if it works great, if it does not then return it with full money returned. He also mentioned that the power boost was around 44 bhp.
Then, this late afternoon I spoke to a master VW mechanic who said that VW hardly ever check if cars have been re-mapped when they go in for a routine service. However, the new system will physically need the ECU opening which they can see. Now it also transpires, that some cars might have also slipped through after BW45 which can be re-mapped through the diagnostic port! However, I am sure mine is not one of them. :sad:
Needless to say I am really jealous of the flexibility of your system.
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Hi GolfTi.
Spoke to Dominic at Superchips today. I think he is the owner.
It would seem that the latest GTis cannot be re-mapped through the diagnostic port and the ECU has to be physically removed for a re-map. Therefore, and very unfortunately for me, Bluefin cannot be used. The cost for this new way is the same and there is a mobile fitter who can do this. Not all Superchip agencies are able to re-map in this manner anymore as they require different software and training.
Dominic was not sure when the changes took place but as we have gathered from knowledgeable members, it was probably after BW44/45 last year. So this counts Wolgang out as he was BW7 this year. Lucky Wolfie.
The other thing he did suggest, which you had already, is to try Bluefin, if it works great, if it does not then return it with full money returned. He also mentioned that the power boost was around 44 bhp.
Then, this late afternoon I spoke to a master VW mechanic who said that VW hardly ever check if cars have been re-mapped when they go in for a routine service. However, the new system will physically need the ECU opening which they can see. Now it also transpires, that some cars might have also slipped through after BW45 which can be re-mapped through the diagnostic port! However, I am sure mine is not one of them. :sad:
Needless to say I am really jealous of the flexibility of your system.
I know of a 2010 GTI, BW10-12 that has been re-flashed using a Bluefin to install a VW Racing St2 map.
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I know of a 2010 GTI, BW10-12 that has been re-flashed using a Bluefin to install a VW Racing St2 map.
Thanks for that. Mine is BW7 so there might be a good possibility.
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I know of a 2010 GTI, BW10-12 that has been re-flashed using a Bluefin to install a VW Racing St2 map.
Thanks for that. Mine is BW7 so there might be a good possibility.
just buy one & try it ? If dosnt work send it back enjoy steve
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just buy one & try it ? If dosnt work send it back enjoy steve
This seems the best way to go if or when I decide. :rolleyes: