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Title: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 26 November 2009, 19:13
Tried to search for this stuff on the forum, but couldn't find what I'm looking for.

So I decided to put fogs on my Golf 1.8 SE, that doesn't originally come with, and got a few questions.

What I need:

1. Fog lights
2. Wiring loom
3. The switch (actually got this one already, that pulls out)

It's not a problem to buy all this stuff and replace the loom, but what I'm not sure about is whether I will be able to fit the fogs in, because there's no place to fix them.

At the moment, I got dummies, which just clip in, but fogs don't have clips, so how do I fit them?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Mikester on 26 November 2009, 19:22
the bumpers are all the same, non gti or gti. All you do is take the blanks out, and put the fogs in, they slide into one end, and screw into the other.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: shepgti on 26 November 2009, 19:32
and you will need the tow eye covers aswell
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 26 November 2009, 22:25
Alright, thanks. Hope to get and fit them soon :)
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 26 November 2009, 23:04
Oh, by the way, forgot to ask...

I got the switch, which pulls out only once, i.e. for the rear fogs. If I don't change it, will my front fogs work or I need to get the proper switch with double pull (rear + front)?

Thanks
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 27 November 2009, 00:00
Oh, by the way, forgot to ask...

I got the switch, which pulls out only once, i.e. for the rear fogs. If I don't change it, will my front fogs work or I need to get the proper switch with double pull (rear + front)?

Thanks

Nope you need the double pull switch.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 27 November 2009, 08:13
Oh, by the way, forgot to ask...

I got the switch, which pulls out only once, i.e. for the rear fogs. If I don't change it, will my front fogs work or I need to get the proper switch with double pull (rear + front)?

Thanks

Nope you need the double pull switch.

Aaaaaah, I thought I would get away with my switch :D Anyway, the switch is pretty cheap.

Thanks
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 09:20
It would be technically illegal to have both front and rear fogs coming together.
You are not allowed to use rear fogs at night. And front fogs at night if it isnt foggy!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 09:31
It would be technically illegal to have both front and rear fogs coming together.
You are not allowed to use rear fogs at night. And front fogs at night if it isnt foggy!

do what? where does it say that?  :huh:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069859 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069859)
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: javalin on 27 November 2009, 09:36
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 09:40
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James

 :grin: :grin: so fog never happens at night?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 November 2009, 10:05
I hate foglights.  People constantly use them when there's no need, especially front fogs.

As a guide I use rear foglights if I'm out in the country and it's foggy.  If I wind up with someone behind me who can clearly see me, I'll turn off the rear fogs, to avoid dazzling them.  If it gets so foggy I really can't see sh*t and I have front fogs I switch to sidelights + front and rear fogs (when no-one is behind me).

I *may* be wrong, but I seem to recall that best practice is to use front fogs with sidelights only.  If you try it you'll find it genuinely works better in fog that is heavy enough to warrant front foglights.  This is because they light up the periphery rather than all of the water droplets directly in front of you.

Following this, it's my view that not all foglight switches allow you to use the correct configuration of foglights for the occasion.  Bear in mind that different EU countries have different rulings for this sort of thing, so the country the car is built in may set up the switch to work incorrectly for the UK.

At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

That really is an outstandingly 'tarded thing to say.

It would be technically illegal to have both front and rear fogs coming together.
You are not allowed to use rear fogs at night. And front fogs at night if it isnt foggy!

Sorry, but you're talking sh*t, Len.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 10:38
If I am talking sh!t then tell that to 2 mates of mine that have been pulled and fined for using front fogs at night!  :tongue:
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James

This is correct!

Rear fog lights dazzle at night and even in fog are not necessary!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 10:58
If I am talking sh!t then tell that to 2 mates of mine that have been pulled and fined for using front fogs at night!  :tongue:
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James

This is correct!

Rear fog lights dazzle at night and even in fog are not necessary!

sorry Len... but where does it say that you are 'not allowed' to use rear fogs at night?  :huh:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VR6-Joe on 27 November 2009, 11:21
Following this, it's my view that not all foglight switches allow you to use the correct configuration of foglights for the occasion.  Bear in mind that different EU countries have different rulings for this sort of thing, so the country the car is built in may set up the switch to work incorrectly for the UK.

Is the Mk3 a good example of this then?

If you pull the switch out once, you have front fog lights, if you pull the switch out twice, you have front & rear fog lights.

You say that there's no need for people to use front foglights when it's not foggy, but, if they have their rear fogs switched on, on a country road, like you explained, then the front fogs are also switched on, as there's no way of switching them off without switching off the rear ones at the same time.

I think I've explained this as best as I can so hope you understand.

Either way it's a crap idea :nerd:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 27 November 2009, 11:27
Following this, it's my view that not all foglight switches allow you to use the correct configuration of foglights for the occasion.  Bear in mind that different EU countries have different rulings for this sort of thing, so the country the car is built in may set up the switch to work incorrectly for the UK.

Is the Mk3 a good example of this then?

If you pull the switch out once, you have front fog lights, if you pull the switch out twice, you have front & rear fog lights.

You say that there's no need for people to use front foglights when it's not foggy, but, if they have their rear fogs switched on, on a country road, like you explained, then the front fogs are also switched on, as there's no way of switching them off without switching off the rear ones at the same time.

I think I've explained this as best as I can so hope you understand.

Either way it's a crap idea :nerd:

Yes it it, most cars now have them on separate switches and I think that is to do with the eu.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 12:04
If I am talking sh!t then tell that to 2 mates of mine that have been pulled and fined for using front fogs at night!  :tongue:
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James

This is correct!

Rear fog lights dazzle at night and even in fog are not necessary!

sorry Len... but where does it say that you are 'not allowed' to use rear fogs at night?  :huh:

Dunno actually!

A Traffic cop told me this a long time ago but have never seen it written down. I wasnt being pulled at the time, came up in conversation.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 12:15
But a quick search and I found this!

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=727007&i=20&mid=0&nmt=Police%20car%20with%20foglights%20on
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 12:19
If I am talking sh!t then tell that to 2 mates of mine that have been pulled and fined for using front fogs at night!  :tongue:
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James

This is correct!

Rear fog lights dazzle at night and even in fog are not necessary!

sorry Len... but where does it say that you are 'not allowed' to use rear fogs at night?  :huh:

Dunno actually!

A Traffic cop told me this a long time ago but have never seen it written down. I wasnt being pulled at the time, came up in conversation.

so you're saying things you don't know about and then saying you're not talking sh!t... nice one!  :huh:

and were your friends pulled and fined for using front fogs at night in fog?

But a quick search and I found this!

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=727007&i=20&mid=0&nmt=Police%20car%20with%20foglights%20on

your point being?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 12:21
And this!

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_4.htm#(Tiii)27restrictionuselampotherthanthosewhichregulation24refer

So sorry for posting this load of SH!T!  :rolleyes:

Oh you have to scroll down to the table where it says "Manner of use Prohibited"
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 12:27
And this!

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_4.htm#(Tiii)27restrictionuselampotherthanthosewhichregulation24refer

So sorry for posting this load of SH!T!  :rolleyes:

Oh you have to scroll down to the table where it says "Manner of use Prohibited"

it still doesn't say...

You are not allowed to use rear fogs at night.

... does it?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 12:28
If I am talking sh!t then tell that to 2 mates of mine that have been pulled and fined for using front fogs at night!  :tongue:
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James

This is correct!

Rear fog lights dazzle at night and even in fog are not necessary!

sorry Len... but where does it say that you are 'not allowed' to use rear fogs at night?  :huh:

Dunno actually!

A Traffic cop told me this a long time ago but have never seen it written down. I wasnt being pulled at the time, came up in conversation.

so you're saying things you don't know about and then saying you're not talking sh!t... nice one!  :huh:


I tend to believe people who are experts in their field and have knowledge that I dont have!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 12:31
And this!

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_4.htm#(Tiii)27restrictionuselampotherthanthosewhichregulation24refer

So sorry for posting this load of SH!T!  :rolleyes:

Oh you have to scroll down to the table where it says "Manner of use Prohibited"

it still doesn't say...

You are not allowed to use rear fogs at night.

... does it?


I suggest you read it properly!
It says - Manner of use Prohibited - rear fog lights at night dazzle, that is a fact!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 12:34
If I am talking sh!t then tell that to 2 mates of mine that have been pulled and fined for using front fogs at night!  :tongue:
Good link.

Surely the fogs & headlights is covered by:

236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.


At night I wouldn't say visibility is reduced.

James

This is correct!

Rear fog lights dazzle at night and even in fog are not necessary!

sorry Len... but where does it say that you are 'not allowed' to use rear fogs at night?  :huh:

Dunno actually!

A Traffic cop told me this a long time ago but have never seen it written down. I wasnt being pulled at the time, came up in conversation.

so you're saying things you don't know about and then saying you're not talking sh!t... nice one!  :huh:


I tend to believe people who are experts in their field and have knowledge that I dont have!

well the 'expert' must have got it from somewhere... otherwise it is just hearsay
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 27 November 2009, 12:37
How the hell can using rear fogs at night be illegal, if they were then why do they work with the lights on.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 12:38
And this!

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_4.htm#(Tiii)27restrictionuselampotherthanthosewhichregulation24refer

So sorry for posting this load of SH!T!  :rolleyes:

Oh you have to scroll down to the table where it says "Manner of use Prohibited"

it still doesn't say...

You are not allowed to use rear fogs at night.

... does it?


I suggest you read it properly!
It says - Manner of use Prohibited - rear fog lights at night dazzle, that is a fact!

so where does it say that Len?  :huh:

Quote
Manner of use prohibited

Rear fog lamp    

      (a)  Used so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to the driver of a following vehicle.


      (b)  Used so as to be lit at any time other than in conditions of seriously reduced visibility.


      (c)  Save in the case of an emergency vehicle, used so as to be lit when a vehicle is parked.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 12:39
The expert in question got it from the Law as has been shown above in the correct legal terms.

Restrictions on the use of lamps other than those to which regulation 24 refers
    27.    No person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle on which any lamp, hazard warning signal device or warning beacon of a type specified in an item in column 2 of the Table below is used in a manner specified in that item in column 3.
TABLE(1) (2) (3)
Item No.  Type of lamp, hazard warning signal device or warning beacon  Manner of use prohibited  
1 Headlamp

(a)  Used so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to other persons using the road.



(b)  Used so as to be lit when a vehicle is parked.
 
2 Front fog lamp

(a)  Used so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to other persons using the road.



(b)  Used so as to be lit at any time other than in conditions of seriously reduced visibility.



(c)  Used so as to be lit when a vehicle is parked.
 
3 Rear fog lamp

(a)  Used so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to the driver of a following vehicle.



(b)  Used so as to be lit at any time other than in conditions of seriously reduced visibility.



(c)  Save in the case of an emergency vehicle, used so as to be lit when a vehicle is parked


Somewhere else it says what the reduced visibility is - think its 100 metres.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 12:40
Well if any of you believe that rear fog lights at night dont dazzle then you are complete morons!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 12:45
i am NOT arguing that the misuse of a rear fog light at night will dazzle... ie. not in fog.  I am simply asking you to show me where you based your fact of 'you are not allowed to use rear fogs at night'??!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: rubjonny on 27 November 2009, 12:48
Len, the point is what if its foggy at night? Yes we all agree you shouldn't use fog lights at night when its clear, or during the day if its clear for that matter!

But if its night time and proper foggy, then you should use your foglights. Non of the links say you cant  use your foglights at night, just that you should only use them when the visibility is very poor.

If your mates had their fog lights on in thick fog, they would not have been pulled for it.  I'd hope they would still have been pulled if it was during the day as well, even if its light out rear fogs still dazzle you.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 12:48
Well if any of you believe that rear fog lights at night dont dazzle then you are complete morons!

perhaps, if it is foggy and you are still being dazzled by the rear fog lights of the car in front then you are TOO CLOSE?

i really don't think we're the morons in this debate.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 13:36
Look its all quite clear to me and written in "legaleeze".

I may not have put it correctly in legaleeze terms but use of rear foglights at night are basically illegal as they do dazzle!

Their use in ONLY permitted in "seriously reduced visibility"!

If you people cant understand plain English thats not my fault!

Not only do rear foglights dazzle at night no matter how close you are they also mask the indicators and brake lights!
You can all nit pick and argue with me all day and night but the LAW is quite clear!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 13:41
Len WE can understand English quite clearly...

so let me get this straight...

Can we use our fog lights at night if it is foggy?

yes or no?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 13:43
Read what the LAW says!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 13:58
I can read thanks... you however have changed your take on it by including this...

I may not have put it correctly in legaleeze terms but use of rear foglights at night are basically illegal as they do dazzle!

Their use in ONLY permitted in "seriously reduced visibility"!

which we all knew and no-one was arguing against... which is not what you meant when you said

You are not allowed to use rear fogs at night.

which, as Diamond Hell rightly said, is sh!t


so... I am asking you the following...
can I use my rear fogs at night if it is foggy? yes or no?
can i use my rear fogs during daylight if it is foggy? yes or no?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 14:03
For those that cant understand the English language - "seriously reduced visiblity" can indeed mean fog, but can also mean heavy rain and spray. Or any sudden unexplained natural or man made occurrence, like smoke.

Also as a very experienced driver who has driven long distances in fog I can tell you that fog varies! One minute you can see 300 metres the next 50 metres.
So that legal phrase is stated in that manner as to be subjective as well as all encompassing.
So the reverse may happen in that you should have been using fog lights due to the prevailing conditions.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 14:06
ok... so you aren't going to answer my questions

in which case answer this... where does it mention night and daylight use of foglights?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Horney on 27 November 2009, 14:07
For those that cant understand the English language - "seriously reduced visiblity" can indeed mean fog, but can also mean heavy rain and spray. Or any sudden unexplained natural or man made occurrence, like smoke.

Also as a very experienced driver who has driven long distances in fog I can tell you that fog varies! One minute you can see 300 metres the next 50 metres.
So that legal phrase is stated in that manner as to be subjective as well as all encompassing.
So the reverse may happen in that you should have been using fog lights due to the prevailing conditions.

As an answer to a yes/no question clearly a career in polotics is beckoning.

nick
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 November 2009, 14:10
Len, yesterday:

(http://www.leafpile.com/TravelLog/Romania/VillageLife/PuttingUpanElectricPole/Digging.jpg)

Whether it's day or night, if the visibility is seriously reduced by, let's say - fog - then you are by law allowed to turn on your foglights, provided they will not dazzle other road users - the visibility restricting effect of fog prevents other road users being dazzled unless, as flagged by Guy - they are very close to you.

It's no good quoting 'the Law' on this, because 'the Law' is the interpretation of The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 Act.  The interpretation of this act by everyone but Len seems to be as follows:

Quote
If it's dark and foggy thus visibility is seriously reduced you should turn on rear and/or front fog lights to make other road users aware of your position.  Rear fog lights allow your vehicle to be identified from a greater distance in fog, thus improving safety.

If it's dark and the fog clears, you should turn off your foglights, as they will dazzle people.

Len, do you use the middle lane of motorways like, a lot?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 27 November 2009, 14:16
Len, yesterday:

(http://www.leafpile.com/TravelLog/Romania/VillageLife/PuttingUpanElectricPole/Digging.jpg)

Whether it's day or night, if the visibility is seriously reduced by, let's say - fog - then you are by law allowed to turn on your foglights, provided they will not dazzle other road users - the visibility restricting effect of fog prevents other road users being dazzled unless, as flagged by Guy - they are very close to you.

It's no good quoting 'the Law' on this, because 'the Law' is the interpretation of The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 Act.  The interpretation of this act by everyone but Len seems to be as follows:

Quote
If it's dark and foggy thus visibility is seriously reduced you should turn on rear and/or front fog lights to make other road users aware of your position.  Rear fog lights allow your vehicle to be identified from a greater distance in fog, thus improving safety.

If it's dark and the fog clears, you should turn off your foglights, as they will dazzle people.

Len, do you use the middle lane of motorways like, a lot?

Thank you, someone with sense.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: JC on 27 November 2009, 14:17
fook me, best laugh i had since i  crushed my nutz in a vice  :grin:

Look its all quite clear to me and written in "legaleeze".

I may not have put it correctly in legaleeze terms but use of rear foglights at night are basically illegal as they do dazzle!


what the f**k is Basically illegal  - either they are or they are no -  Simples

followed up by


Their use in ONLY permitted in "seriously reduced visibility"!

If you people cant understand plain English thats not my fault!

Not only do rear foglights dazzle at night no matter how close you are they also mask the indicators and brake lights!
You can all nit pick and argue with me all day and night but the LAW is quite clear!

 :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:



oh and to clarify, i was TAKEN OFF THE ROAD by police, on a motorway, AT NIGHT in FOG, BECAUSE. . . .  .

you going to love this Len


 :laugh:



wait for it


 :wink:



its coming.


 :tongue:


 :smug:



 :evil:




NOT having a working fog light on the vehicle and the visabilty required me to have them

I thank you and good night  :smiley:


PS> That was a dedicated TRAFFIC officer  :kiss:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 14:38
Loving this thread! :grin:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 15:16
Like I said its subjective! It depends on the conditions.

As a general rule the prohibition is covered by the wording in the dazzle line. So unless it is seriously reduced visibility then NO you cannot use rear fog lights at night.
As stated before fog/rain/spray/smoke can vary as you drive along so the line that includes seriously reduced visibility can be subjective and open to interpretation by the Traffic Officer on the scene. And he can choose to use those regulations in what way he sees fit!

So please continue to ridicule and pour scorn on what I said in my book its illegal to use rear fog lights at night!

Front foglights are equally illegal.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Len on 27 November 2009, 15:18
Oh I'm off home now to enjoy my Birthday celebrations so wont be on hand to correct you anymore! So sorry!  :grin:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: JC on 27 November 2009, 15:18
 :grin:    :grin:

so you can but you can't  :huh:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 27 November 2009, 15:23
Len.. It is NOT illegal to use rear or front fogs at night should conditions permit.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: JC on 27 November 2009, 15:24
what about DRIVING lights  :grin:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Horney on 27 November 2009, 15:25
So unless it is seriously reduced visibility then NO you cannot use rear fog lights at night.

So please continue to ridicule and pour scorn on what I said in my book its illegal to use rear fog lights at night!

Front foglights are equally illegal.

Massive contradiction, awesome!

nick
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: JC on 27 November 2009, 15:29
Like I said its subjective! It depends on the conditions.

As a general rule the prohibition is covered by the wording in the dazzle line. So unless it is seriously reduced visibility then NO you cannot use rear fog lights at night.


so its the same as Daylight then  :grin:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 27 November 2009, 21:26
How on Earth you managed to discuss use of fog lights on 6 pages?  :laugh:

The use of them is plain and simple.

You can use the fog lights, WHENEVER it's foggy or VERY BAD visibility, without the matter if it's day time or night. If you can't see sh!t because of the weather conditions, you can legally use them. End of story.

What the LAW says is that, obviously, using them when the visibility is clear, is illegal. That's it.

Jeeeeeez, I feel myself a geek here.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 November 2009, 22:19
How on Earth you managed to discuss use of fog lights on 6 pages?

One reason: Len.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: boneybradley on 27 November 2009, 22:29
I'm not shocked at 6 pages...but some of the names who have posted in this mk3 thread  :shocked:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 27 November 2009, 23:23
How on Earth you managed to discuss use of fog lights on 6 pages?

One reason: Len.

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Matty-MK3 on 28 November 2009, 00:10
Isn't it quite simple and summarize-able in a single sentence?

Fog lights are legal when it is foggy (reduced visibility)  regardless of time/daylight.


Oh mah gawd, 6 pages for that.


Still, blue rear lights should be illegal at day, at night you can't see them as much. Well they are illegal, but they aren't really.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 28 November 2009, 00:26
Isn't it quite simple and summarize-able in a single sentence?

you would have thought that was the case wouldn't you? but not according to Len it aint!
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: JC on 28 November 2009, 09:04
I'm not shocked at 6 pages...but some of the names who have posted in this mk3 thread  :shocked:

hello darling  :kiss:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 28 November 2009, 10:10
Isn't it quite simple and summarize-able in a single sentence?

Fog lights are legal when it is foggy (reduced visibility)  regardless of time/daylight.


Oh mah gawd, 6 pages for that.


Still, blue rear lights should be illegal at day, at night you can't see them as much. Well they are illegal, but they aren't really.

THANK YOU, lol  :grin:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Diamond Hell on 28 November 2009, 13:11
I'm not shocked at 6 pages...but some of the names who have posted in this mk3 thread :shocked:
Sorry, I'm magnetically attracted to numpties
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: harlemex on 28 November 2009, 14:41
only being able to use fogs during the day defies the very basics of commen sense  :kiss:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: JC on 28 November 2009, 15:14
only being able to use fogs during the day defies the very basics of commen sense  :kiss:

so does Len  :grin:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Guy on 30 November 2009, 09:52
only being able to use fogs during the day defies the very basics of commen sense  :kiss:

so does Len  :grin:

 :grin:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: sharki786 on 30 November 2009, 11:53
tbh i was pulled over for having my fog lights on a clear night, unless the copper was a PR!CK! this was just over a year ago.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 30 November 2009, 12:15
tbh i was pulled over for having my fog lights on a clear night, unless the copper was a PR!CK! this was just over a year ago.

Thats because using fog lamps when it is not foggy is illegal.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: sharki786 on 30 November 2009, 12:19
 :wink:

OMG this thread started as a guy wanted to add front fog lights now this has become a massive debate. LOVING IT keep going  :evil:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 19 December 2009, 11:20
Alright, I got the fogs, the blanks, the wiring and the switch.

Now the trouble that I'm having is how to fix the fog light in its place so it doesn't come out? There's a clip on side, which does help a bit, but once I put the blanks in, they push the fogs out...WTF?

I'm assuming that there must be some additional fixing parts for the fogs, because there are two holes on the other side, and obviously they are there for a reason.

I'm confused  :shocked:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VR6-Joe on 19 December 2009, 12:46
Yup VR's have some clips which push onto the bumper allowing you to screw the fog lights in place :)
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 19 December 2009, 18:00
Yup VR's have some clips which push onto the bumper allowing you to screw the fog lights in place :)

I need them nooooooowwww!

Any chance anyone got them? lol
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VR6-Joe on 20 December 2009, 00:42
I stole mine off my VR6 Highline before I sold it.. fogs aswell! Haha!

Basically get yourself to a scrapyard and see if you can find some :)
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 20 December 2009, 10:33
I stole mine off my VR6 Highline before I sold it.. fogs aswell! Haha!

Basically get yourself to a scrapyard and see if you can find some :)

Finding a VR6 in my scrapyard is like winning £1m in lottery....

I'm in West London, and my local scrapyard barely has any Golfs (2-3 at most, not GTI/VR6). Would be great if anyone could suggest a good "dubbish" scrapyard around London West?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VR6-Joe on 20 December 2009, 16:15
(http://www.keeptheheaton.com/acatalog/PREGQ80.jpg)

These basically do the same job if you have any knocking around :wink:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Jimp on 20 December 2009, 17:44
Those are what I used when installing fogs in my Vento  :smiley:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VW BUSH on 20 December 2009, 18:05
I stole mine off my VR6 Highline before I sold it.. fogs aswell! Haha!

Basically get yourself to a scrapyard and see if you can find some :)

Finding a VR6 in my scrapyard is like winning £1m in lottery....

I'm in West London, and my local scrapyard barely has any Golfs (2-3 at most, not GTI/VR6). Would be great if anyone could suggest a good "dubbish" scrapyard around London West?

Fulham Palace Road Coming from Putney Bridge, go past Hospital and first Junction with Traffic Lights next road on your right, go down to the bottom
VW Yard will become apparent, Cant remember the name but he is ok just haggle :wink:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 20 December 2009, 20:00
Fulham Palace Road Coming from Putney Bridge, go past Hospital and first Junction with Traffic Lights next road on your right, go down to the bottom
VW Yard will become apparent, Cant remember the name but he is ok just haggle :wink:

Thanks for that, but I'm having trouble finding the place, lolz

Do you remember the name of the road by any chance? Spend a few minutes with Google Maps (Street View) browsing around with no luck...


Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VW BUSH on 20 December 2009, 21:58
Fulham Palace Road Coming from Putney Bridge, go past Hospital and first Junction with Traffic Lights next road on your right, go down to the bottom
VW Yard will become apparent, Cant remember the name but he is ok just haggle :wink:

Thanks for that, but I'm having trouble finding the place, lolz

Do you remember the name of the road by any chance? Spend a few minutes with Google Maps (Street View) browsing around with no luck...






Follow the link to rallycross's post  :wink:
Aint used them for a year or so but im informed they are still going :smiley:

http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45662
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 21 December 2009, 08:02
Alright, no probs.

Will give them a call sometime to find out exactly where they are :)
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 29 December 2009, 19:45
Since I can't get hold of proper clips for the fog lamps, I was wondering what else I could use to hold them in? Any ideas?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 29 December 2009, 19:53
Since I can't get hold of proper clips for the fog lamps, I was wondering what else I could use to hold them in? Any ideas?  :undecided:

Have you tried VW
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VR6-Joe on 29 December 2009, 20:08
(http://i7.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/55/fc/8ff1_2.JPG)

(http://www.drentha.com/images/supplies/duct_tape.jpg)

(http://www.ronlund.com/images/ma/ma0025.jpg)

(http://www.keeptheheaton.com/acatalog/PREGQ80.jpg)

?
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 29 December 2009, 21:14
Wayne, I haven't tried VW, because they will probably charge like 10 quid for each clip?  :laugh:

Joe, I got Tigerseal, but I don't want to permanentely fix the fogs...What if I need to take them off? The "thingy" on the last pic looks like the best option for me, but emmmm...what is it called?   :embarassed:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: kells on 29 December 2009, 21:20
clips at vw will be pence mate trust me
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 29 December 2009, 21:21
Wayne, I haven't tried VW, because they will probably charge like 10 quid for each clip?  :laugh:

Joe, I got Tigerseal, but I don't want to permanentely fix the fogs...What if I need to take them off? The "thingy" on the last pic looks like the best option for me, but emmmm...what is it called?   :embarassed:

Trust me they will never be £10 from VW, I would guess a max of £1 each.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: kells on 29 December 2009, 21:24
be less than that, i just bought some similar clips, for my heatsheild, they were 17p each
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: VR6-Joe on 29 December 2009, 21:25
Wayne, I haven't tried VW, because they will probably charge like 10 quid for each clip?  :laugh:

Joe, I got Tigerseal, but I don't want to permanentely fix the fogs...What if I need to take them off? The "thingy" on the last pic looks like the best option for me, but emmmm...what is it called?   :embarassed:

Well on ebay they're called 'Spire Nuts'

I suggested them at the bottom of page 7, which was 9 days ago :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 29 December 2009, 21:35
Ok, Wayne, will try my luck with VW tomorrow.

Joe, at that time I thought I'd be able to find the "real" clips. Thanks anyway :)
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 30 December 2009, 22:47
Went to VW today and ordered everything. £2.85 total - sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :D Didn't have in stock though, should be ready by Tuesday.

Thanks Wayne  :cool:
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: Wayne on 30 December 2009, 23:57
No worries, happy to help wherever poss.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 24 January 2010, 22:13
Without starting a new thread, I thought I would ask here.

I got the fogs fitted, but the nearside one simply doesn't want to go in properly. Even when it does, it kind of pops out, when I put the reflector in. However, the offside one is perfect.

Nearside

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/4300738002_bb8b224c18.jpg)

Offside

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4299992465_65d262f806.jpg)

So am I "handless", or it's a problem with a bumper? Fogs totally original, untouched and all the clips are present.

Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: kells on 24 January 2010, 22:53
simple

non Genuine reflectors mate.. hence bad fit
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 24 January 2010, 22:56
simple

non Genuine reflectors mate.. hence bad fit

Actually, the problem is in the nearside fog, which doesn't sit properly, since why the reflector can't hold it in place.

As you can see, offside is ok.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: kells on 24 January 2010, 22:58
looks like its not fitted right mate tbh

but the gap on the other siude looks big too, but if your happy thats cool

you must have located the clip wrong on the dodgey side?

or you have a damaged bumper, get a pic up of it without the fog light etc in place so we can see whats going on
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: kells on 24 January 2010, 23:03
the side which is ok on oyurs deffo looks a bit wrong mate, try look at mine (not easy i know) but mine all align perfect, your reflectors are not a great fit, i had this problem trying to fit copies too

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9294/72838302.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/72838302.jpg/)
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: zdebx on 24 January 2010, 23:13
the side which is ok on oyurs deffo looks a bit wrong mate, try look at mine (not easy i know) but mine all align perfect, your reflectors are not a great fit, i had this problem trying to fit copies too

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9294/72838302.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/72838302.jpg/)

Agree about not fitting tightly, and the little gaps, but I'm more worried about the nearside fog, which is driving me crazy.

Will try to take a pic soon. I think it IS the bumper problem, because it can't be the fog as it's original with no damage/changes.
Title: Re: Fog Lights For Golf Mk3 (not GTI/VR6)
Post by: kells on 24 January 2010, 23:26
yes mate its not your fogs, so get a pic of the bumper close up without the fog or anything attached then we can go from thier  :cool: