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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: kane1210 on 05 November 2009, 13:55
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As soon as the very first Mk6 spy shots hit the web last year, the Internet rumour mill has been in overdrive about the possibility of an R model based on the sixth-gen platform to replace the Mk5 R32. So when Volkswagen released details of the new Golf R, dubbed the ‘fastest accelerating Volkswagen yet’, you could almost hear the boards go into meltdown.
Like R models of the past, the new model has been developed by Volkswagen Individual, the special projects wing of VW, but unlike the Mk4 and Mk5 R32, the Mk6 R is powered not by a naturally-aspirated 3.2-litre V6 motor but by a 2.0-litre TSI engine derived from the Mk5 GTI rather than the Mk6. Boasting a similar spec to the current Audi S3, the motor features an uprated turbo, a new intercooler, high pressure injectors, a new alloy head, and uprated pistons and conrods to take power up to 270PS at 6000rpm and 258lbs ft at 2500rpm.
Equipped with a six-speed manual ‘box, the Golf lives up to its acceleration claims by hitting 62mph from rest in just 5.7 seconds with the DSG ‘box knocking 0.2 seconds off that time. Interestingly, we’ve seen a number of rumours on the Net saying that VW has been rather modest with acceleration figures but we won’t know for sure till road testers start getting their hands on them when the car hits the UK in December. From the initial hype, it looks like we could finally have a Golf that can bring the fight to the top Vauxhalls.
The R is fitted with a new type of four-wheel drive system that uses a pre-charged hydraulic system that is quicker to react and limits wheel spin compared to the setup found in the older cars. To complement it, the ESP system has been tweaked with two stages for track use, the power steering has been sharpened and the brakes and suspension have been uprated to suit too.
Of course, it wouldn’t be an R model without a few styling tweaks to differentiate it over the GTI and the new model doesn’t disappoint with new front and rear bumpers complete with LED running lights, a gloss black diffuser, a pair of centre exit exhausts out back and new 19in wheels while inside, it’s a similar story with new half Alcantara, half cloth seats and new gloss black trim pieces.
Prices and specifications will be announced closer to the car’s UK debut at the end of the year but till then, check out these shots and start working out that finance plan.
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Looks rubbish... FFS - £35K for a Golf! Are they having a laugh or something? And where's the V6? Might as well just buy an S3. Or the RS3 which will - no doubt - be much better. I mean that's 1 year old M3 territory... blah... blah... blah...
I - for one - will NOT be ordering one.
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PS: This is the GolfGTI.co.uk forum
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Well that takes care of all the sh#t people have said on the other threads
I won't buy one either :smug:
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Ummm, misleading title? This isn't a review.
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I didn't see how they rate it at the end of the review? :wink:
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Thats no review. And its been on the net for months. :rolleyes:
Nicely put silver lol.
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Wtf? Where are the comments about the roadholding? The handling? The feel of the steering?
This isn't a review. This is a rehashed piece of xxxx based on the VW press release. Its out of date for a start as it doesn't even have the prices or specs?
Who posted this drivel? Should be shot.
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alright easy does it, just thought id share it as i'd come across it. Theres nt much out there on these atm so thought u mk6 geeks might be interested!!! ill recoil back in to my mk5 now and shut up!!
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Having seen Autocar's review for the Scirocco R, which it rates very highly, it even goes as far as to say that it believes the 'Roc R (Rocker) is better than the Focus RS. High praise indeed.
While that leaves me feeling pretty optimistic about the Golf R in general, the Golf R has AWD so is likely to be heavier and less sharp as well as considerably more expensive. I just wonder if Golf R tests may conclude that it is actually inferior to the 'Roc R. This being the case, we may be better of sticking with our GTIs or getting the Scirocco R. So the Golf R will need to be pretty spectacular to justify its lofty price tag.
I am certainly going to wait for an official test before I spend an extra £6K on one. What is for sure is that even if I do get "only a Golf GTI", I won't be disappointed.
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lol - come back kane - only joshing with you mate! :evil:
tho back on topic, reviews only mean so much. it really depends on your opinion and value set vs the opinion and value set of the reviewer. if we all only ever bought what the mags said, then the world would be a pretty boring place.
even if Golf R is found to be "inferior" to the Roc R by the mags, there's no way the Roc can have 4wd and 5 doors. Golf GTI equally will never have 4wd
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While that leaves me feeling pretty optimistic about the Golf R in general, the Golf R has AWD so is likely to be heavier and less sharp as well as considerably more expensive.
The Golf R is actually less than £2k more than the Roc R. The Golf GTI is more than £2k more than the Scirocco GT - does that make it considerably more expensive too?!
OK, the Roc comes with ACC and an RCD510 as standard - which the Golf doesn't... but the Golf has 4wd, 3 back seats and a bigger boot! Surely even just the 4wd makes it worth the extra.
It did for me anyway!
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If it was a choice between the two... then the R is the one to go for without a doubt. Doesnt even need to be high spec for me. 19" wheels, xenons as std, maybe add the dynaudio and then retrofit the rns510. Jobs a gud un :grin:
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If it was a choice between the two... then the R is the one to go for without a doubt. Doesnt even need to be high spec for me. 19" wheels, xenons as std, maybe add the dynaudio and then retrofit the rns510. Jobs a gud un :grin:
The R is the one for me too: 5 seats and 5 doors. I reckon it may be quicker than a 'Roc R even though it isn't faster in a straight line, due to better traction, steering and damper rates.
The only problem is that a fully decked-out GTI costs £32K and a fully decked-out R costs £38K. That's a big difference. it isn't just a question of can i afford it, but equally should i pay that for a Golf?
The answer is increasingly looking like: yes.
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Looks rubbish... FFS - £35K for a Golf! Are they having a laugh or something? And where's the V6? Might as well just buy an S3. Or the RS3 which will - no doubt - be much better. I mean that's 1 year old M3 territory... blah... blah... blah...
I - for one - will NOT be ordering one.
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PS: This is the GolfGTI.co.uk forum
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Where's our mod, these threads should be moved or deleted.
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why?
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why?
Whats the R gotta do with a GTI ?
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you are kidding. you seriously wouldn't want R badges Golf's to be discussed on here?
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why?
Whats the R gotta do with a GTI ?
Kev, I am not sure what your issue is, and I mean this in the nicest possible way but this forum has always been open to discussions about the R models. The new R is more than ever an extension of the GTI, a variation of it, whatever way you like to put it. Everyone is welcome here and there has never been an issue with discussing Golf R models before. People such as myself have owned a GTI and then moved on to an R32 but still enjoy the chat, knowledge and discussion on here.
As an R32 owner I am (and I know lots of others on here) every bit interested in performance Golfs as a whole whether GTI/ED30/R. I think you are just getting a bit over the top about it, its no big deal. I like to hear other peoples viewpoints on both models. On the R32 forum we have plenty of discussions about Roc/GTI....ie Non R32.
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you are kidding. you seriously wouldn't want R badges Golf's to be discussed on here?
Personally no, but its not up to me, thats why I asked for an R childforum of this section to be setup, so I dont need to read about crap I aint interested in.
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then feel free to not read or posts in threads that you are not interested in. problem solved for the one person who has an issue with it, rather than messing the board up for a lot of others.
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JV I demand a Polo section. I'm fed up of reading about Golfs on here.
nick
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JV I demand a Polo section. I'm fed up of reading about Golfs on here.
nick
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I'm fed up reading about you too, but I cant do nowt about that either. :sad:
So is it a www.golf.co.uk forum, or a golfgti.co.uk forum ? If its a www.golfandeverymodelknowntoman.co.uk then it might be better to make some child forums to seperate the sections.
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JV I demand a Polo section. I'm fed up of reading about Golfs on here.
nick
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I'm fed up reading about you too, but I cant do nowt about that either. :sad:
So is it a www.golf.co.uk forum, or a golfgti.co.uk forum ? If its a www.golfandeverymodelknowntoman.co.uk then it might be better to make some child forums to seperate the sections.
Whydont you go and make your own www.brandnewmodelgolfgtimk6sportscar.com and make everyone happy?
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I'm fed up reading about you too, but I cant do nowt about that either. :sad:
So is it a www.golf.co.uk forum, or a golfgti.co.uk forum ? If its a www.golfandeverymodelknowntoman.co.uk then it might be better to make some child forums to seperate the sections.
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JV I demand a Polo section. I'm fed up of reading about Golfs on here.
nick
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I'm fed up reading about you too, but I cant do nowt about that either. :sad:
So is it a www.golf.co.uk forum, or a golfgti.co.uk forum ? If its a www.golfandeverymodelknowntoman.co.uk then it might be better to make some child forums to seperate the sections.
To be honest Kev the days of this being a GTI only site are long gone. It's such a good forum that folks who started here in Golf GTI's have stayed on when they drive other Golf varients, other VW's and even other VAG Group cars.
If you want to just be with GTI drivers may I suggest you try ClubGti but even over there you'll find the odd non GTI owner ruining your karma.
nick
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bye kev :tongue:
so jv, about the passat section, i will gladly join in the polo section with horney :laugh:
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Whydont you go and make your own www.brandnewmodelgolfgtimk6shoppingcar.com and make everyone happy?
fixed that for you :afro:
JV I demand a Polo section. I'm fed up of reading about Golfs on here.
nick
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I'm fed up reading about you too, but I cant do nowt about that either. :sad:
So is it a www.golf.co.uk forum, or a golfgti.co.uk forum ? If its a www.golfandeverymodelknowntoman.co.uk then it might be better to make some child forums to seperate the sections.
To be honest Kev the days of this being a GTI only site are long gone. It's such a good forum that folks who started here in Golf GTI's have stayed on when they drive other Golf varients, other VW's and even other VAG Group cars.
nick
well said Nick. I originally joined as I wanted help with my MK2 1.6 driver and found this site to be the most helpful so I stuck around.
I think people forget that without the base models the GTI would have never even existed..........
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yeah, just think about the poor mk4 section full of dieseaseals :kiss:
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yeah, just think about the poor mk4 section full of dieseaseals :kiss:
someone's got to keep that rowdy lot in check :tongue: :kiss:
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JV I demand a Polo section. I'm fed up of reading about Golfs on here.
nick
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I'm fed up reading about you too, but I cant do nowt about that either. :sad:
So is it a www.golf.co.uk forum, or a golfgti.co.uk forum ? If its a www.golfandeverymodelknowntoman.co.uk then it might be better to make some child forums to seperate the sections.
To be honest Kev the days of this being a GTI only site are long gone. It's such a good forum that folks who started here in Golf GTI's have stayed on when they drive other Golf varients, other VW's and even other VAG Group cars.
If you want to just be with GTI drivers may I suggest you try ClubGti but even over there you'll find the odd non GTI owner ruining your karma.
nick
I would gladly move to a GTI only forum, but as you say that is rare. Plus what would you all do without me here. It'd be f**kin boring. :grin:
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Ha ha ha fair point :grin:
You started work on a little lip tache yet to go with your world domination? I hear side partings go well with it as well. :wink:
Nick
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i thought there was a G6gti specific forum :undecided:
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I would gladly move to a GTI only forum, but as you say that is rare. Plus what would you all do without me here. It'd be f**kin boring. :grin:
i Recommend ukmkv's. Full of light minded people like Kev :wink:
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Where's our mod, these threads should be moved or deleted.
He's left the forum.
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Separate the diesels from the petrols! :evil:
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I think the mk5 and 6 boards should be integrated :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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I think the mk5 and 6 boards should be integrated :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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what a great idea :grin:
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I think a huge barrier should be put around the mk6 forum and anyone who comes in here should be put through a rigorous vetting before being allowed to post. Apart from Egbert and his multiple personalities. We need his wisdom.
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The truth of the matter is alot of people need to borrow the family brain cell and RTFM.
Theres also alot of posts on here that show simple things please simple minds.
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The truth of the matter is alot of people need to borrow the family brain cell and RTFM.
Theres also alot of posts on here that show simple things please simple minds.
Yeah, couldnt agree more. I also think there's a lot of people that think they are something they are not. You're one of them.
And I said all that without swearing too. Chuffed with myself so I am.
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It looks to me as if some of the people who bought the Mk6 GTI would have prefered to buy the 4WD model R.
I suspect the GTI with the 03 turbo (1800 rpm) compared to the R with the 04 turbo (2500 rpm) is the better car. So don't worry about the dubious advantages and savour the £7000 saved. It will pay for at least 100 meals out for two (ie a lifetime).
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i thought there was a G6gti specific forum :undecided:
Don't you mean a G5.5gti forum :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I remember the exact same thing between the MKIV and MKV forum and it all ended happily ever after. Just get used to it, 'cos it ain't gonna change!
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Yeah, couldnt agree more. I also think there's a lot of people that think they are something they are not. You're one of them.
And I said all that without swearing too. Chuffed with myself so I am.
Please explain and expand that coment.
Unlike you im here to help if i can. If people don't want me here im glad to leave.
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i thought there was a G6gti specific forum :undecided:
Don't you mean a G5.5gti forum :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I remember the exact same thing between the MKIV and MKV forum and it all ended happily ever after. Just get used to it, 'cos it ain't gonna change!
I dont see the same happening mate, the mk4 owners realised they owned the inferior car quite quickly! Not enough difference between mk5 and 6.
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Yeah, couldnt agree more. I also think there's a lot of people that think they are something they are not. You're one of them.
And I said all that without swearing too. Chuffed with myself so I am.
Please explain and expand that coment.
Unlike you im here to help if i can. If people don't want me here im glad to leave.
Don't rise to it Snoopy.
I retorted to one of his more vitriolic rants once and everyone had a go at me instead! Considered departing myself but decided at the end of the day most users here are civilised humans. I just refrain from posting much instead. All that means is there are a few things I've done to my car that may be of interest to others and they're blissfully anaware of it rather than me face pointless comments from the few. :lipsrsealed:
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Personally ide rather have waited for the R, Because unfortunetly it is going to be a better car then the GTI, However the fact im driving round in my Gti now helps offset this. The only thing ide possibly take from the current GTI is the body styling as Im not a fan of the r, Even less so now ive learnt people can upgrade there 2.0TDI in an R kit. Everything else im sure is going to be better from the blue dials to the keyless ignition.
However not knocking you mkV boys down because i loved my MKV GTI, But the MKVI GTI is considerably better. My Opinion and ive had both. Saying that however if you'de bought your GTI on an 08 would it be worth the mucho £ to change, Prolly not but certainly the MKVI is better.
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Even less so now ive learnt people can upgrade there 2.0TDI in an R kit
Is the R-line kit available in the UK for the Mk6?
I'm pretty sure there was similar kit available for the Mk5 in Germany, but it didn't come to the UK.
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The R-line option isn't available for the Golf in the UK. But if you have the part numbers, the kit can be bought through dealers.
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The title of this post is Golf R Review.
It is not open for an attack on whether it should be GTI only, let's face it VW make loads of cars and it's interesting to hear what peeps have done on their particular vehicle and whether that would benefit our GTI or TDI or GTD or even Audi and Seat all part of the big VW family.
If someone has a decent point to make let's hear it surely it doesn't matter if it's not GTI relevant.
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The title of this post is Golf R Review.
It is not open for an attack on whether it should be GTI only, let's face it VW make loads of cars and it's interesting to hear what peeps have done on their particular vehicle and whether that would benefit our GTI or TDI or GTD or even Audi and Seat all part of the big VW family.
If someone has a decent point to make let's hear it surely it doesn't matter if it's not GTI relevant.
Sadly this thread was mis-titled, not a Golf R Review in sight... best to lock and leave until a proper review comes out.
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If the scirocco R is anything to go by the Golf R will be too harsh and crude.
The Sunday Times has just awarded the Sciroccco R 3 stars.
It gives the 197bhp version 5 stars.
You owners of Mk6 GTI's might just have a better car than the Golf R.
Rather like Mk5 GTI owners have a better car than the R32.
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Nice try - now back under your bridge you! :evil:
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Nice try - now back under your bridge you! :evil:
Bring back Mr Crabster I say
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If the scirocco R is anything to go by the Golf R will be too harsh and crude.
The Sunday Times has just awarded the Sciroccco R 3 stars.
It gives the 197bhp version 5 stars.
You owners of Mk6 GTI's might just have a better car than the Golf R.
Rather like Mk5 GTI owners have a better car than the R32.
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http://www.germancarblog.com/2009/11/vw-polo-r-first-intel.html
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If the scirocco R is anything to go by the Golf R will be too harsh and crude.
The Sunday Times has just awarded the Sciroccco R 3 stars.
It gives the 197bhp version 5 stars.
You owners of Mk6 GTI's might just have a better car than the Golf R.
Rather like Mk5 GTI owners have a better car than the R32.
flawed statement really as you have never owned the later
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If the scirocco R is anything to go by the Golf R will be too harsh and crude.
The Sunday Times has just awarded the Sciroccco R 3 stars.
It gives the 197bhp version 5 stars.
You owners of Mk6 GTI's might just have a better car than the Golf R.
Rather like Mk5 GTI owners have a better car than the R32.
flawed statement really as you have never owned the later
A 1 hour test drive is the same as owning it though remember :lipsrsealed:
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If the scirocco R is anything to go by the Golf R will be too harsh and crude.
The Sunday Times has just awarded the Sciroccco R 3 stars.
You forgot to mention what EVO say about the Scirocco R in their car of the year feature :tongue: :rolleyes: :grin:
They tested it side by side against some pretty good cars too.
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If the scirocco R is anything to go by the Golf R will be too harsh and crude.
The Sunday Times has just awarded the Sciroccco R 3 stars.
You forgot to mention what EVO say about the Scirocco R in their car of the year feature :tongue: :rolleyes: :grin:
They tested it side by side against some pretty good cars too.
I don't buy EVO. I find it just a little smug for my taste.
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i thought there was a G6gti specific forum :undecided:
Don't you mean a G5.5gti forum :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I remember the exact same thing between the MKIV and MKV forum and it all ended happily ever after. Just get used to it, 'cos it ain't gonna change!
I dont see the same happening mate, the mk4 owners realised they owned the inferior car quite quickly! Not enough difference between mk5 and 6.
You are soooo, sooooo right :smiley:
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i thought there was a G6gti specific forum :undecided:
Don't you mean a G5.5gti forum :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I remember the exact same thing between the MKIV and MKV forum and it all ended happily ever after. Just get used to it, 'cos it ain't gonna change!
I dont see the same happening mate, the mk4 owners realised they owned the inferior car quite quickly! Not enough difference between mk5 and 6.
You are soooo, sooooo right :smiley:
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If the scirocco R is anything to go by the Golf R will be too harsh and crude.
The Sunday Times has just awarded the Sciroccco R 3 stars.
It gives the 197bhp version 5 stars.
aaaah the sunday times... the word on all things automotive :shocked:
i'll take auto express, autocar, evo and what cars positive reviews as more authoritative :wink:
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lot's of these car reviews are bollocks anyway as it comes down to personal preference etc.
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lot's of these car reviews are nuts anyway as it comes down to personal preference etc.
yes.... but... 1 negative review vs 4 positive reviews suggests it could be rather good?
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yes.... but... 1 negative review vs 4 positive reviews suggests it could be rather good?
Heres hoping!!
Thats the downer to ordering a car that NO ONE has driven or reviewed yet!
Having said that - unless all the magazines give it 1 star and say its pathetic, I'll be sticking with it!
If it gets ABSOLUTELY SLATED, then I may consider losing my £1000 deposit!
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Have faith....
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yes.... but... 1 negative review vs 4 positive reviews suggests it could be rather good?
Heres hoping!!
Thats the downer to ordering a car that NO ONE has driven or reviewed yet!
Having said that - unless all the magazines give it 1 star and say its pathetic, I'll be sticking with it!
If it gets ABSOLUTELY SLATED, then I may consider losing my £1000 deposit!
It will be worth it. No one can draw conclusions as it hasnt been drivin by someone that doesnt get payed for doing it. :wink:
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Egbert Nosh,
The Sunday Times review was written by Andrew Frankel, who is also a journalist for Autocar His review is totally at odds with his magazine's which was penned by Steve Sutcliffe. Suttcliffe is a much more respected journalist than Frankel IMHO just as Autocar is a much more respected source of auto intel than the Sunday Times. (I guess they feel a need to write something different simply to be different: never let the facts get in the way of a good story.) Autocar gives the 'Roc R a rollockingly good write up saying that it is better than the Ford Focus RS. Praise indeed. Tom Ford, meanwhile, writing in Top Gear magazine complains that the 'Roc R is a bit anodyne, but I suspect that this may have had something to do with test driving the car in Wales and on a wet, soggy day and narrowly missing a sheep. The only review I care about is Car's and this, written by Ben Barry, gives the 'Roc R 5 stars.
It looks as if the Golf R is going to be much faster 0-60 than the 'Roc R. Given that the Golf R will also have AWD and an ability to put its power down in all situations / road conditions and also that it will be Volkswagen's performance flagship, I expect it to much much better than the 'Roc R. In fact, I think that the Golf R is going to get people excited about it in a way few new cars have aroused such intense passion for a long long time.
So PEPS3 you can relax, you're going to be driving this incredibly cool machine long before many other Golf R wannabees, including yours truly.
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Egbert Nosh,
So PEPS3 you can relax, you're going to be driving this incredibly cool machine long before many other Golf R wannabees, including yours truly.
2nd that :smiley:
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It doesn't help when 95% of people as saying its over priced and over rated :cry:
Have a look over at uk-mkiv's - they're slating it!!
I just hope it stands up against all the critics.
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what sorts of things are they saying? i can understand the pricing which i agree with, but the car itself should be immense
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It doesn't help when 95% of people as saying its over priced and over rated :cry:
Have a look over at uk-mkiv's - they're slating it!!
I just hope it stands up against all the critics.
I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would slate it, its just expensive. But then again, so are a lot of things.
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It doesn't help when 95% of people as saying its over priced and over rated :cry:
Have a look over at uk-mkiv's - they're slating it!!
I just hope it stands up against all the critics.
Main negative comments on ukmkivs stem around the price...
It is high but i think it's the best for my needs for the money!
compare cars that keep being dredged up on the forums for £35 k
RS4/ M3 2yr old- not new and very high maintenance costs
(but awesome cars- i just sold my RS4 avant)
audi TTS 1yr old- not new, only 2 seats
audi S3 discounted with similar goodies £28k- old car soon to be replaced, too common for my likeing
just my opinion but can't wait to get my AWD exclusive car with 3yrs warranty :smiley:
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just my opinion but can't wait to get my AWD exclusive car with 3yrs warranty :smiley:
Same here. To be fair, the same whinging about price happened on the forums when the Mk4 R32 and Mk5 R32 were introduced.
So, for me, it's water off a ducks back.