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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: James Gould on 23 October 2009, 13:02
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ok - setting the scene - I'm 43 years old, married, kids - never did the hot hatch thing - love the Gti Mark 6 - going to get one - test driven manual and DSG - first, I drove DSG, loved it, thought it was great technology but afterwards, couldn't get manual out of my mind - drove manual - loved it -BUT I keep reading about how clever the DSG is, how the driver has auto, semi auto, flappy paddle choices etc etc...now I don't know again - I can see the sense of it in an Astom, a Porsche, even a Ferrari but if I want the nostalgia, the feeling of being young again, thinking 1980s, Golf Gti,
Peugeot 205 Gti 1.9....doesn't it HAVE TO be the manual....isn't the new technology taking away part of the experience....I like the leather but feel that must have the cloth as part of the experience - white isn't my favourite car colour but for the Golf Gti....I don't drive in heavy traffic - I know that's always part of the thought process...
I NEED someone to tell me what to do - help!!
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
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You sound very similar to me and I am picking up the DSG next month. I have never had anything other than manual but it's time for a change at our age!
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You sound very similar to me and I am picking up the DSG next month. I have never had anthing other than manual but it's time for a change at our age!
Thanks - enjoy!
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
I've read all that and I'm still stuck - thnx, anyway!
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James, This is one subject that does lead to a heated debate. My advice to you is that I went through the exact same concerns. But to cut a long story short, picked the DSG because it is what will suit both my wife and I. No matter what other people will recommend it will be down to personal circumstances and choice. No matter what you eventually choose you will still enjoy the car.
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James, This is one subject that does lead to a heated debate. My advice to you is that I went through the exact same concerns. But to cut a long story short, picked the DSG because it is what will suit both my wife and I. No matter what other people will recommend it will be down to personal circumstances and choice. No matter what you eventually choose you will still enjoy the car.
thnx - do you like it?
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if you haven't decided that you definitely want a manual, go DSG. you'll regret it if not- you can still change gears yourself with the paddles, or the stick. i don't think the manual can change gear for you...
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if you haven't decided that you definitely want a manual, go DSG. you'll regret it if not- you can still change gears yourself with the paddles, or the stick. i don't think the manual can change gear for you...
Xenons, Sunroof and ACC - over-specing? You'll be in at £30K - that's Gti R money - why not Dynaudio?
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Just handed a cheque over for a DSG GTD...
Try google-ing DSG reliability. Best general rule of thumb I saw was either pistonheads.com or maybe honestjohn.co.uk forums - DSG believed to be good up to 60K miles then possibly be concerned about ECU/gearbox replacement of £2-5K. Probably not a huge risk but if you do mega miles or want to keep past the warranty it'd be a concern. :sad:
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Just handed a cheque over for a DSG GTD...
Try google-ing DSG reliability. Best general rule of thumb I saw was either pistonheads.com or maybe honestjohn.co.uk forums - DSG believed to be good up to 60K miles then possibly be concerned about ECU/gearbox replacement of £2-5K. Probably not a huge risk but if you do mega miles or want to keep past the warranty it'd be a concern. :sad:
Thanks - I do about £10K miles per year but if what you say starts to be accepted as 'fact', might be harder to sell and faster depreciation with DSGs
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Manual, manual, manual all the way. Keeps you alert and according to official figures getting slightly better consumption with the manal box.
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DSG =
(http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2007/10/large_USA%20NEW%20YORK%20CITY%20TAXI%20STRI.jpg)
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Oh no here we go again. :sick:
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Oh no here we go again. :sick:
I asked the question and feel that way!
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Oh no here we go again. :sick:
I asked the question and feel that way!
So why didnt you ask your question in the other thread ?
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DSG =
(http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2007/10/large_USA%20NEW%20YORK%20CITY%20TAXI%20STRI.jpg)
you could be right
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DSG =
(http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2007/10/large_USA%20NEW%20YORK%20CITY%20TAXI%20STRI.jpg)
you could be right
Could be ? COULD BE ? :grin:
Seriously though, why would you want to buy a car that drives itself ? We have taxi drivers, bus drivers, chauffeurs to do all that for us should we need them, buy a manual dude and drive your car.
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DSG =
(http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2007/10/large_USA%20NEW%20YORK%20CITY%20TAXI%20STRI.jpg)
you could be right
Could be ? COULD BE ? :grin:
Seriously though, why would you want to buy a car that drives itself ? We have taxi drivers, bus drivers, chauffeurs to do all that for us should we need them, buy a manual dude and drive your car.
My heart tells me you're so obviously right - my brain tells me to move with the times and not to be a philistine -but as enjoyment comes via the heart, I should follow my heart....Thnx
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Thanks - I do about £10K miles per year but if what you say starts to be accepted as 'fact', might be harder to sell and faster depreciation with DSGs
Wow, you spend ten grand on Petrol? :smiley:
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Wow, you spend ten grand on Petrol? :smiley:
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Ha ha ha :laugh: :laugh:
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Whatever it is, I love my manual... the play with the clutch and gear is the BEST!! I like to have an interaction with the car when I drive. The paddles will never give me that same pleasure... But since i have this foot injury, I realise how nice it is to have a DSG... since I have not driven for the past 3 weeks, sigh... But we cant have it all. So my advice, follow your heart... because without the heart, the brain cant live... ha ha ha
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I think the DSG is the best auto box ever and 90% of the time its great.
But if you like spirited driving then it has to be a manual.
That 10% of the time I mention I feel that the dsg is too keen to kick down, or too keen to change up which dulls the power. Sport mode is lively, but holds the revs a little too long. Manual is good, but now and again it can react funny with a slight unexpected delay, esp at roundabouts and junctions. Its good but not perfect, it might "learn" my drivng style though...
On the flip side it is extremely relaxing, smooth and great for my wife.
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I think the DSG is the best auto box ever and 90% of the time its great.
But if you like spirited driving then it has to be a manual.
I think that says it all :grin: :grin:
If your only paying 90% of the price then its ok... otherwise its a waste of mulllar.
Not to mention the dsg service thats required and then the issues some have had :lipsrsealed:
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I've only had manual cars all my life, but went for the DSG this time.
I don't reckon I've got anything to prove, I can drive a manual, end of story. I hadn't thought about the DSG until my test drive, and the demo car was a DSG. Afterwards, the cogs started turning, and I thought about it, and thought about it, and as I had also realised that I didn't like the leather as much as I thought I would, I decided to spec the DSG instead of the leather.
I like being able to keep my hands on the wheel and let the car look after the gear changing. Most of the time, it's doing a better job than I would (goes to 5 to climb hills I'd just have left my manual in 6th for, stuff like that). I'm still grabbing for the stick and feeling for a clutch sometimes, but I hope to get over that soon. I've not got in the habit of using the paddles occasinally when I can see stuff ahead the car can't, but again, I hope to form new habits soon.
I haven't seriously tried driving it in manual, and I haven't tried sport mode, so not knowing, cannot say.
The place I notice the difference, which isn't what other people were talking about, was the effect at slow and very slow speeds. Not having a clutch to let in gently seems weird, and the ride can be a little more jerky as a result. However, I'm not sure that isn't largely an effect of not knowing when the gear change is going to happen. Someone else spoke about reversing into a narrow garage with a step up. My own garage is on the flat (not so great, it sometimes floods), so I don't have that problem, but I can understand the problem. Situations where you'd ride the clutch and use the clutch to control a very slow speed, don't work the same way.
This hasn't caused me any problem so far though, and in general, I'm a fan.
Rolfe.
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DSG - you either love it or hate it. I had driven manual cars all my life too and decided to give the DSG a try. I love it and drive it in manual mode for 95% of the time. I only have it in automatic mode for town/heavy traffic. It can feel a bit computer game like at times but that adds to the appeal. You just put your foot down and press them paddles.
There are times when it can be a pain though. When I floor it in 1st/2nd, sometimes it changes up for me just as I press the paddle to change up resulting in a two gear change. You have to time it very carefully in 1st and 2nd to avoid this.
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
FFS what is your problem!!!, the guy is new to the forum and you slate the poor bloke when he comes in!!!.
Perhaps its better to say try looking in the search tab (top of the screen) without offending a new member with your choice of words fella.
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Well, it's not unreasonable to point out that a subject has been covered in previous threads. And maybe explain why some long-time posters might be a bit unkeen on going over it all already. And digging up and providing a link is hardly unhelpful.
And I note the thread progresses regardless.
If we're all supremely lucky, the people with entrenched ideas who either know that anything with a DSG is a taxi and no self-respecting driver would be seen dead in something that doesn't "engage" (whatever that means), or know that the manual gearchange is only for poverty-spec shopping trollies and anything with any bling will have a DSG, will stay away this time and let some actual insights emerge.
Rolfe.
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It doesn't help anyone when people have strong views for/against something that they have only experienced say on a test drive for an hour or two.
With DSG in this case, it takes a good month or so to get used to its behaviour.
I love driving. Manual or DSG.
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Oh, I bought the DSG after a test drive of only 15 minutes or so that didn't get out of a biult-up area! And I wasn't even thinking about it when I had the test drive.
I've had it 5 weeks and I'm not really used to it yet - there are features I've not really used - but I still think it's the coolest thing on wheels!
I've driven manual cars for pushing 40 years. I don't have to prove anything to anybody. I like new technology when it works, and this seems to. I wouldn't try to persuade anyone who preferred a manual that they're wrong though - it's definitely a matter of personal preference, and there's a reason VW offer it as an option.
What does surprise me is the level of scorn and derision. I don't see people being scorned for choosing a 5-door, or metallic paint, or a sunroof, or a particular stereo or phone option. I haven't even seen anyone being scorned for getting the parking sensors or the Park Assist, though for goodness sake, if you can't park a car without the computer doing it for you, get back in your dodgem!
And yet, the scorn poured on the DSG from certain quarters is vitriolic. The first thing said to me when I raised the possibility that I might be considering the DSG was, "why, I thought you wanted a fun car!" You'd think I'd just suggested getting a low-spec Fiesta or something. Why? Why scorn an automatic clutch and not a computer that takes over your steering and parks the thing for you?
Is it some sort of macho thing that's threatened if anyone suggests that ability to throw a gearstick around might not be the be-all and end-all of driving a car?
Rolfe.
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Over the last six years I've owned a manual A3 sport 140 and currently an A3 CR 170 DSG with 81K miles.
When the DGS was new it was the absolute nuts but over the last year or so I realised the engine is just too good not to have a manual, for me that's the bottom line. I'm waiting for a GTD at the mo and decided on a manual because I miss the simple fun of changing gear manualy. I thinking of chipping it straight away. It's not a question of whether a DSG is easier to drive and has great appeal, it has for sure; does that compensate of the joy of changing down hard and fast onto a freshly resurfaced, tight motorway slip road? dont get me wrong I love the DSG box and reccomend them.
If I paid for my car I'd think £1300 was steep though.
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"The simple fun of changing gear manually." "The joy of changing down...."
You see, that's why I said it's such a personal preference thing. I get as much joy out of changing gear as I get out of changing my socks. Having a car that does it on its own? Coolest thing since the iPhone.
Rolfe.
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Manualy changing gear, to me, is one of lifes' pleasures, as is driving my car at the moment, I dont regret the DSG at all.
I'll probably alternative between the two every time I change car.
I couldn't give a flying who drives what, they're both great......how lucky we are.......
PS. Putting on a brand new pair of quality socks is also, for me, one of lifes' little pleasures..... :shocked:
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Oh, I bought the DSG after a test drive of only 15 minutes or so that didn't get out of a biult-up area! And I wasn't even thinking about it when I had the test drive.
I had a test drive in a manual and then out of curiosity had a test drive in a DSG. If it wasn't for my curiosity then I would be driving a manual today. The DSG just seemed amazing to me in the hour I had it for.
I recommend people to try both of them out (even if you are not bothered about DSG, you could be surprised). Try to get both for an hour or more if possible and then decide which one feels the best for you.
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Oh, I bought the DSG after a test drive of only 15 minutes or so that didn't get out of a biult-up area! And I wasn't even thinking about it when I had the test drive.
I had a test drive in a manual and then out of curiosity had a test drive in a DSG. If it wasn't for my curiosity then I would be driving a manual today. The DSG just seemed amazing to me in the hour I had it for.
I recommend people to try both of them out (even if you are not bothered about DSG, you could be surprised). Try to get both for an hour or more if possible and then decide which one feels the best for you.
Good advice, I approve
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Is it some sort of macho thing that's threatened if anyone suggests that ability to throw a gearstick around might not be the be-all and end-all of driving a car?
I don't think it's a macho thing at all...or the choice of car would be completely different in the first place.
In a society where we are increasingly told that everything that we used to enjoy, is now either bad for us, socially unacceptable or illegal...enjoying driving a car remains one of the few things the government hasn't managed to stop - yet.
So, I want maximum fun with little external control...so I'm in control not someone else or a ECU.
So it's manual for me.
DSG is deeply impressive...just not for me.
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ok - setting the scene - I'm 43 years old, married, kids - never did the hot hatch thing - love the Gti Mark 6 - going to get one - test driven manual and DSG - first, I drove DSG, loved it, thought it was great technology but afterwards, couldn't get manual out of my mind - drove manual - loved it -BUT I keep reading about how clever the DSG is, how the driver has auto, semi auto, flappy paddle choices etc etc...now I don't know again - I can see the sense of it in an Astom, a Porsche, even a Ferrari but if I want the nostalgia, the feeling of being young again, thinking 1980s, Golf Gti,
Peugeot 205 Gti 1.9....doesn't it HAVE TO be the manual....isn't the new technology taking away part of the experience....I like the leather but feel that must have the cloth as part of the experience - white isn't my favourite car colour but for the Golf Gti....I don't drive in heavy traffic - I know that's always part of the thought process...
I NEED someone to tell me what to do - help!!
James, I'm 40, 3 kids etc so demographically similar. I have a manual GTI6 and came from a DSG Scirocco (bought before the misses got pregnant)!
Why did I get a manual? Probably cost. The Scirocco I bought for a silly price last November so I wasn't actually forking out for the DSG and thought i'd have it to see what all the hype was about. It is an amazing box but there were things I didn't like as well (you leave it in auto a lot, bit jerky sometimes, unless you're using the paddles it can sometimes change into a gear you didn't want etc).
If it was a free option i'd probably spec it but as it was a costly option on the GTI I didn't bother and have not missed it one bean. In fact I find the manual more engaging, more involving and really not much more hassle even in traffic (the clutch is very light).
Hope this helps.
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This is not a direct dig at you James but TBH this debate over DSG versus Manual is getting a bit on my t*ts. This has been covered so many times.
As an experiment I Googled Manual v DSG, and this showed up huge amount of forums from around the world, with the same backwards and forwards arguments...Manual has more driver involvement, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
DSG is great piece of kit, faster gear changes etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
As has been said many times it is down to personal choice and circumstances. I think it boils down to one thing. If I spec DSG when ordering my car am I going to regret it 2 or 3 years down the line?
In the UK the majority of people drive a manual car, with only 18% being automatic. So the majority of people when specing their cars have never really driven an automatic/DSG car over a sustained period of time. So when test driving a car, although you may like the DSG you still have this niggling thought in the back of your mind of should I or shouldn’t I? (Taking into account the extra money as well of course.)
Having driven a lot of automatics over the years (All my fathers cars were autos) and regular use of all sorts of hire cars. I did not have any doubts on picking the DSG box, as for me it is the best of both worlds and suits our personal circumstances.If you like a manual, fine stick with it.
I think we should start a new topic. "I like the DSG and if I have the bottle to order it, will I worry for the next few years if I have done the right thing? Does anyone have the Samaritans phone number?" :cry:
I have made the decision and will not regret it.
Rant over.
Anyway my other car is a manual. :smiley:
THE END.
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For me its always been manual. I haven't been driving as long as some on here - but I'm coming up for 32 - so have almost 15 years of experience behind the wheel! All my cars so far have been manual - apart from periodically driving auto hire cars when I worked at Avis as a student.
I bought an GTI ED30 a couple of years ago - and didn't even consider DSG as an option. Why would I? Manual has always been good - so why try anything else. To be honest - I'd never even heard of DSG when I bought it... so I just assumed it was 'another auto box'!
When I'd ordered my ED30, I became a member on here and read all about DSG. I read alot of positive comments about DSG and looked a bit further into it. The technology involved seems amazing, and the majority of people who has it were all very happy with it.
So... 7 months ago I'm minding my own business on the motorway, and some tw@t runs into the back of me, spins me into the central reservation and writes my car off.
After getting the insurance sorted out I opt to wait for a Scirocco R - and more recently a Golf R.
Whilst at the dealer in May originally talking about the Roc, I told him I'd be interested in having a go at DSG. He handed me the keys to their brand new Golf GTI demonstrator which was DSG and let me take it out. I hammered the life out of it (as you do on a test drive) and was amazed at how smooth and how responsive it was. Most of the time I drove it I was in manual mode and it seemed great fun.
Food for thought...
I placed a deposit and left!
A couple of weeks ago I took a trip up to VW to see about test driving a DSG in everyday life - rather than thrashing the pants off it! I got a GTD (the only demonstrator they had with DSG) and had it out for about 3 hours - in auto mode. I drove through the town, out in the country and on the motorway - just to see how the auto box handled in day to day running. I spend most of my journey to work and back in traffic, so it was nice to see how it was.
This time, I'm going for the DSG. I enjoy the dropping gears in a manual, and love playing the traffic by dropping gears and letting the clutch out slowly - and trying not to use my brakes... but the DSG will suit my driving on my journeys too and from work every day better. OK, I will probably miss having a clutch - but I can still push the gearstick into the semi auto mode and have a spirited drive as a manual from time to time when I want.
I'd never considered a DSG car until I read some stuff on here. If you're in any doubt - book a LONG test drive and see if you can try it out properly. I'm converted :wink:
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I think it boils down to one thing. If I spec DSG when ordering my car am I going to regret it 2 or 3 years down the line?
You've summed it up in one line!!
Thats exactly the way I feel just now. I want to order DSG because the technology is great, it suits my circumstances, and all my test drives in it have been great - but do I want to live with it! Will it be a novelty for a few months, and then I think 'damn, I wish I had a clutch'!?
I'm going down the DSG route, and if I didn't I'll spend the next 3 years thinking 'damn, I wish I'd taken DSG'!!
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As you know, ive had 3 dsg Golf GTi's over a period of nearly 3 years. And that it still ticks the boxes and puts a HUGE smile on my face when people try and out shoot you on the road :smug:. The exhaust pops and splutters combined with my milltek makes great noise!!.
Still would be the 1st option ticked on a new purchase. Wouldnt go back to stick shift imo.
But echo what peeps sum'd up so well. long test drive to draw your own conclusion :smiley:
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This is not a direct dig at you James but TBH this debate over DSG versus Manual is getting a bit on my t*ts. This has been covered so many times.
Dude - no one asked you to read this thread. There are many new people on here who have either just joined or who have an opinion. If the thread is not to your liking just ignore it.
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
FFS what is your problem!!!, the guy is new to the forum and you slate the poor bloke when he comes in!!!.
Perhaps its better to say try looking in the search tab (top of the screen) without offending a new member with your choice of words fella.
As i said earlier :smiley:. rather then just opening their mouths , should just avoid the discussion.
Im not the best to say it, but at least i wouldnt use the type of language posted origonally.
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Dude - no one asked you to read this thread. There are many new people on here who have either just joined or who have an opinion. If the thread is not to your liking just ignore it.
Did someone say something? :smiley:
I think you missed my point. What was getting on my T*ts was the jousting that was going on, that one was better than the other etc etc. I thing I made some salient points in my reply. Plus James had already read the previous 40 page thread on the subject .
Ignore mode now on!
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You sound very similar to me and I am picking up the DSG next month. I have never had anything other than manual but it's time for a change at our age!
still not sure but thnx - I can see DSG making sense in so many cars but not a hot hatch - if I'd already done the Gti 'thing', I'd probably choose DGS but as it's a first, manual still seems to make more sense.
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Thanks - I do about £10K miles per year but if what you say starts to be accepted as 'fact', might be harder to sell and faster depreciation with DSGs
Wow, you spend ten grand on Petrol? :smiley:
oops!
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I've only had manual cars all my life, but went for the DSG this time.
I don't reckon I've got anything to prove, I can drive a manual, end of story. I hadn't thought about the DSG until my test drive, and the demo car was a DSG. Afterwards, the cogs started turning, and I thought about it, and thought about it, and as I had also realised that I didn't like the leather as much as I thought I would, I decided to spec the DSG instead of the leather.
I like being able to keep my hands on the wheel and let the car look after the gear changing. Most of the time, it's doing a better job than I would (goes to 5 to climb hills I'd just have left my manual in 6th for, stuff like that). I'm still grabbing for the stick and feeling for a clutch sometimes, but I hope to get over that soon. I've not got in the habit of using the paddles occasinally when I can see stuff ahead the car can't, but again, I hope to form new habits soon.
I haven't seriously tried driving it in manual, and I haven't tried sport mode, so not knowing, cannot say.
The place I notice the difference, which isn't what other people were talking about, was the effect at slow and very slow speeds. Not having a clutch to let in gently seems weird, and the ride can be a little more jerky as a result. However, I'm not sure that isn't largely an effect of not knowing when the gear change is going to happen. Someone else spoke about reversing into a narrow garage with a step up. My own garage is on the flat (not so great, it sometimes floods), so I don't have that problem, but I can understand the problem. Situations where you'd ride the clutch and use the clutch to control a very slow speed, don't work the same way.
This hasn't caused me any problem so far though, and in general, I'm a fan.
Rolfe.
I still don't flippin' know
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
FFS what is your problem!!!, the guy is new to the forum and you slate the poor bloke when he comes in!!!.
Perhaps its better to say try looking in the search tab (top of the screen) without offending a new member with your choice of words fella.
Thanks
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Well, it's not unreasonable to point out that a subject has been covered in previous threads. And maybe explain why some long-time posters might be a bit unkeen on going over it all already. And digging up and providing a link is hardly unhelpful.
And I note the thread progresses regardless.
If we're all supremely lucky, the people with entrenched ideas who either know that anything with a DSG is a taxi and no self-respecting driver would be seen dead in something that doesn't "engage" (whatever that means), or know that the manual gearchange is only for poverty-spec shopping trollies and anything with any bling will have a DSG, will stay away this time and let some actual insights emerge.
Rolfe.
don't worry
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"The simple fun of changing gear manually." "The joy of changing down...."
You see, that's why I said it's such a personal preference thing. I get as much joy out of changing gear as I get out of changing my socks. Having a car that does it on its own? Coolest thing since the iPhone.
Rolfe.
well, I do like my iphone...
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ok - setting the scene - I'm 43 years old, married, kids - never did the hot hatch thing - love the Gti Mark 6 - going to get one - test driven manual and DSG - first, I drove DSG, loved it, thought it was great technology but afterwards, couldn't get manual out of my mind - drove manual - loved it -BUT I keep reading about how clever the DSG is, how the driver has auto, semi auto, flappy paddle choices etc etc...now I don't know again - I can see the sense of it in an Astom, a Porsche, even a Ferrari but if I want the nostalgia, the feeling of being young again, thinking 1980s, Golf Gti,
Peugeot 205 Gti 1.9....doesn't it HAVE TO be the manual....isn't the new technology taking away part of the experience....I like the leather but feel that must have the cloth as part of the experience - white isn't my favourite car colour but for the Golf Gti....I don't drive in heavy traffic - I know that's always part of the thought process...
I NEED someone to tell me what to do - help!!
James, I'm 40, 3 kids etc so demographically similar. I have a manual GTI6 and came from a DSG Scirocco (bought before the misses got pregnant)!
Why did I get a manual? Probably cost. The Scirocco I bought for a silly price last November so I wasn't actually forking out for the DSG and thought i'd have it to see what all the hype was about. It is an amazing box but there were things I didn't like as well (you leave it in auto a lot, bit jerky sometimes, unless you're using the paddles it can sometimes change into a gear you didn't want etc).
If it was a free option i'd probably spec it but as it was a costly option on the GTI I didn't bother and have not missed it one bean. In fact I find the manual more engaging, more involving and really not much more hassle even in traffic (the clutch is very light).
Hope this helps.
Thnx - still flippin' thinking!
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This is not a direct dig at you James but TBH this debate over DSG versus Manual is getting a bit on my t*ts. This has been covered so many times.
As an experiment I Googled Manual v DSG, and this showed up huge amount of forums from around the world, with the same backwards and forwards arguments...Manual has more driver involvement, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
DSG is great piece of kit, faster gear changes etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
As has been said many times it is down to personal choice and circumstances. I think it boils down to one thing. If I spec DSG when ordering my car am I going to regret it 2 or 3 years down the line?
In the UK the majority of people drive a manual car, with only 18% being automatic. So the majority of people when specing their cars have never really driven an automatic/DSG car over a sustained period of time. So when test driving a car, although you may like the DSG you still have this niggling thought in the back of your mind of should I or shouldn’t I? (Taking into account the extra money as well of course.)
Having driven a lot of automatics over the years (All my fathers cars were autos) and regular use of all sorts of hire cars. I did not have any doubts on picking the DSG box, as for me it is the best of both worlds and suits our personal circumstances.If you like a manual, fine stick with it.
I think we should start a new topic. "I like the DSG and if I have the bottle to order it, will I worry for the next few years if I have done the right thing? Does anyone have the Samaritans phone number?" :cry:
I have made the decision and will not regret it.
Rant over.
Anyway my other car is a manual. :smiley:
THE END
so is mine...
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This is not a direct dig at you James but TBH this debate over DSG versus Manual is getting a bit on my t*ts. This has been covered so many times.
Dude - no one asked you to read this thread. There are many new people on here who have either just joined or who have an opinion. If the thread is not to your liking just ignore it.
thnx
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
FFS what is your problem!!!, the guy is new to the forum and you slate the poor bloke when he comes in!!!.
Perhaps its better to say try looking in the search tab (top of the screen) without offending a new member with your choice of words fella.
I can't believe 3 days have gone past and I missed you're wanky reply. *Note to myself, must stay out of detailing section*
I don't have a problem, but it seems you do with me. Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
FFS what is your problem!!!, the guy is new to the forum and you slate the poor bloke when he comes in!!!.
Perhaps its better to say try looking in the search tab (top of the screen) without offending a new member with your choice of words fella.
I can't believe 3 days have gone past and I missed you're wanky reply. *Note to myself, must stay out of detailing section*
I don't have a problem, but it seems you do with me. Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
flippin' heck - keep me out of this!
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This has been covered a zillion times already, most people will groan at seeing this again.
Have a read through this, there's nearly 40 pages of total sh!t.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=122285.0
FFS what is your problem!!!, the guy is new to the forum and you slate the poor bloke when he comes in!!!.
Perhaps its better to say try looking in the search tab (top of the screen) without offending a new member with your choice of words fella.
I can't believe 3 days have gone past and I missed you're wanky reply. *Note to myself, must stay out of detailing section*
I don't have a problem, but it seems you do with me. Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
flippin' heck - keep me out of this!
Your cool James, he obviously thinks you cant stand up for yourself. Thats the thing here, there's waaaay to may pricks that think they are something. I'm very interested to see who are the 'all talk' people are.
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Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
Oh dear... the forum stoops to an EVEN lower form.
How pathetic.
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Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
Oh dear... the forum stoops to an EVEN lower form.
How pathetic.
+1
Anyway.... everyone knows im the 'ARDESTEST on ere!! :kiss:
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I can't believe 3 days have gone past and I missed you're wanky reply. *Note to myself, must stay out of detailing section*
I don't have a problem, but it seems you do with me. Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
Kev, you are laughably easy to wind up. I saw the post at the time, and recognised it for what it was - a deliberate attempt to get a rise out of you. You walked right into it, exactly as intended.
Don't feed the troll is the message here.
Rolfe.
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I don't have a problem, but it seems you do with me. Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
Pm'd :rolleyes:
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I can't believe 3 days have gone past and I missed you're wanky reply. *Note to myself, must stay out of detailing section*
I don't have a problem, but it seems you do with me. Would you like to meet and sort this out ? If so, lets swap numbers in PM and we'll sort this.
Kev, you are laughably easy to wind up. I saw the post at the time, and recognised it for what it was - a deliberate attempt to get a rise out of you. You walked right into it, exactly as intended.
Don't feed the troll is the message here.
Rolfe.
I dont mind someone trying a bit of banter or to try and get a rise, heck I do the same, but where on earth did I slate the guy I do not know. Thats what got my back up.
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I dont mind someone trying a bit of banter or to try and get a rise, heck I do the same, but where on earth did I slate the guy I do not know. Thats what got my back up.
You may note I defended you. You were a little testy, but nothing really out of order. You indicated that the subject had been chewed over ad nauseam, and gave a link to a recent thread about it.
Then a post appeared specifically designed to get your back up, and you fell for it hook, line, sinker and rowboat. You are being trolled by someone who wants to get you in trouble with the mods. Wise up.
Rolfe.
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I dont mind someone trying a bit of banter or to try and get a rise, heck I do the same, but where on earth did I slate the guy I do not know. Thats what got my back up.
You may note I defended you. You were a little testy, but nothing really out of order. You indicated that the subject had been chewed over ad nauseam, and gave a link to a recent thread about it.
Then a post appeared specifically designed to get your back up, and you fell for it hook, line, sinker and rowboat. You are being trolled by someone who wants to get you in trouble with the mods. Wise up.
Rolfe.
Ok, thanks Rolfe.
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James...my two penneth...
First auto car I've owned in 22 years of driving and I really like it. In manual mode it is not entirely manual, kick down etc still works but you learn how to not let this affect your driving. Around town it's great...if you do a lot of this or heavy A-road/m way traffic=bonus. You do miss the clutch at times and smooth reversing takes a bit more skill. Just had a weekend up to Braemar and the twisty A93 Blairgowrie to Braemar road was great... I think you get more control driving it in manual using the paddles as you keep your hands on the wheel. Will I stick with DSG? Ask me in three years time dependent on reliability and resale value. If you've driven it and are considering one then like I did go for it...It's better than spending your money on leather...sweaty in summer and freezing in winter!
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freezing in winter?- you get heated seats!
DSG all the way for me...
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I dont mind someone trying a bit of banter or to try and get a rise, heck I do the same, but where on earth did I slate the guy I do not know. Thats what got my back up.
You may note I defended you. You were a little testy, but nothing really out of order. You indicated that the subject had been chewed over ad nauseam, and gave a link to a recent thread about it.
Then a post appeared specifically designed to get your back up, and you fell for it hook, line, sinker and rowboat. You are being trolled by someone who wants to get you in trouble with the mods. Wise up.
Rolfe.
Ok, thanks Rolfe.
Lol - you got told! Rolfe - were you/ are you a schoolteacher by chance?! :)
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I dont mind someone trying a bit of banter or to try and get a rise, heck I do the same, but where on earth did I slate the guy I do not know. Thats what got my back up.
You may note I defended you. You were a little testy, but nothing really out of order. You indicated that the subject had been chewed over ad nauseam, and gave a link to a recent thread about it.
Then a post appeared specifically designed to get your back up, and you fell for it hook, line, sinker and rowboat. You are being trolled by someone who wants to get you in trouble with the mods. Wise up.
Rolfe.
Ok, thanks Rolfe.
Lol - you got told! Rolfe - were you/ are you a schoolteacher by chance?! :)
She does have a way with words.
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today I'm leaning towards the dsg....but....
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today I'm leaning towards the dsg....but....
Mate, as others have said, there are pros and cons, drive both and decide what suits your driving style.
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today I'm leaning towards the dsg....but....
Mate, as others have said, there are pros and cons, drive both and decide what suits your driving style.
Couldn't agree more... :afro:
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Gaaahhhhh....
I had to drive the work pool car this afternoon - we have a Focus estate we share, to save the cheapskates in accounts from having to pay us mileage in our own cars.
Six weeks with the DSG, and it took me a while to remember that I had to change gear! I didn't actually stall it, and by the time I was getting near my destination I was back in manual mode, but I did find myself trying to turn cormers in 4th and stuff like that.
And yet I still grope for the gearstick in the Golf, at inappropriate moments! Whoda thunk the habit of a lifetime would wear thin in six weeks!
Rolfe.
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LOL that's a good reason not to go with the DSG...
You'll forget how to drive!
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tricky!
Manual is more fun for me, but the Auto option is nice for daily runs about town in rush hour (with lots of stop \ start). I went for a Golf manual as I use another car week days mostly