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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Hairy Porter on 11 September 2009, 13:21
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Only a few days to go.
If it's 4WD I'm going to see my dealer on Wednesday to try and order one.
If it's FWD then I'm waiting for the Mk7.
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Itll be 4WD - it has to be. If not then its just a remapped GTI.
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Itll be 4WD - it has to be. If not then its just a remapped GTI.
Hope so.
The Golf turbo R is much more important to VW than the Portugese built Scirocco R20t (FWD).
Should chip up nicely.
My only worry is the Mk7 is due to be shown in two years. If it is lighter and more nimble then the turbo R will possibly be seen as a money grabbing run-out model.
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Glad it's just not me! It will be 4WD... gotta be.
Don't worry about Mk7, the way things are going all cars will have to run on lentils by then. So, there'll be no performance models. :rolleyes:
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I've left a deposit to be 'first' on the list at my local dealer.The lack of the usual 'leaks' in the car mags and weeklies is really frustrating.I'm hoping they pull out all the stops with the R20,maybe 19" wheels and some bodywork addenda to identify it from the GTI.
I had an S3 a couple of years ago and loved it.Drove the Mk6 GTI last weekend and loved that too,so a Frankenstein's monster of the two should be right up my street! :wink:
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Those who think that the MK7 is scheduled in 2 years are dreaming.
Nothing has been disclosed officially by VW.
Do you really think the MK6 will only last 3 years while it is a complete hit ? mhhhh, think again...
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What Fred said. The MK6 will be with us for some time.
I cant believe people are talking about MK7s when I STILL !!!! haven't seen a MK6 GTI on the road. You MK6 GTI boys are a bit exclusive arent ya?
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The lack of the usual 'leaks' in the car mags and weeklies is really frustrating.
There have been pictures of a disguised red Golf R on GTI Monzas which let you see a fair bit of the shape of the front bumper intakes, rear bumper and side skirts. It's basically similarly styled to the Scirocco R.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=20354&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fmay2009%2Fvw-r20-813-2.jpg (http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=20354&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fmay2009%2Fvw-r20-813-2.jpg)
Do you really think the MK6 will only last 3 years while it is a complete hit ? mhhhh, think again...
The Mk6 is just a mid-life re-engineering/facelift of the Mk5 platform, just like VW have done in the past with the Passat (B5/B5.5) and Polo. The platforms of late have had roughly a 7 year life span. So as the Mk5 came out in, what, 2005 (?) the next platform would be due to be shown sometime in 2011 and in the UK dealers early 2012. So 3 a year lifecycle for the Mk6 sound spot-on to me.
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I have a feeling you're all going to be majorly dissappointed and that its going to be 2wd.
Most of the original reports said it would be 2wd to save weight.
I'm hoping I'm wrong - but we'll have to wait and see!
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Well im gutted...if this is legit...
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/PJR32_2008/r20.jpg)
From this weeks autoexpress magazine
No V6
No 4wd
Not interested any more. I would rather get an Edition 30, remapped to 300bhp for half the price. Im sorry, but this whole carbon cutting bullcrap has ruined everything that made the R Golf model special.
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I wouldn't want one with VW's ancient V6. The turbocharged 4 pot is a great engine, one of the best around.
I would want one with the haldex system. No point buying if it's FWD.
Mk7 Frankfurt 2011 had better be good, I think Hondas new civic R might be a corker.
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No V6
No 4wd
Not interested any more. I would rather get an Edition 30, remapped to 300bhp for half the price. Im sorry, but this whole carbon cutting bullcrap has ruined everything that made the R Golf model special.
Same here... In 2yrs time my money will be on an RS4 or a BMW equivalent.
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i just dont get why if vauxhall can add a supercharger to their 2.8v6 (see insignia VXR thingymijigg) why cant VW do the same??
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I wouldn't want one with VW's ancient V6. The turbocharged 4 pot is a great engine, one of the best around.
I would want one with the haldex system. No point buying if it's FWD.
Mk7 Frankfurt 2011 had better be good, I think Hondas new civic R might be a corker.
I agree the 2.0 VW Turbo Charged engine is fantastic, I had a remapped MK5 GTI for 4 months and loved it. My issue is simply that all that car is now is a MK6 Golf GTI with a bit more power and an 'R Line' kit. Just like the R line kit you can now spec on a Passat, a Touran, a Tuigan.......you get my point.
They have taken away everything that made the R Golf special. End of. I never thought of the R32 as any better than the GTI, but what is was was different. We had a nice choice between the two, and getting into my R32 each day, it feels special. The GTI did too, but just in a different way.
Ah well, I will happily keep my R32 now for many years to come.
As you say, roll on the MK7, maybe by then people will have realised that the tree huggers were all talking crap and the world isnt going to end..... :sad:...maybe then we will get a new R model that lives up to the history of what it stands for.
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I think it will be 4 wheel drive.Evo,Car,Autocar etc. all seem to think it will be,surely that must be based on connections within Wolfsburg.I hope so anyway.The talk of 280-300hp wouldn't go amiss either!
Nice vid on Scirocco Central of a Scirocco R20 being loaded on to a transporter.Exhaust sounds great.
Sorry i cant provide the link,not much good with computers! :smiley:
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i just dont get why if vauxhall can add a supercharger to their 2.8v6 (see insignia VXR thingymijigg) why cant VW do the same??
+1!!!
Baffles me. Theres even talk that the new Astra VXR will have 4WD, same system as on the Insignia VXR.
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i just dont get why if vauxhall can add a supercharger to their 2.8v6 (see insignia VXR thingymijigg) why cant VW do the same??
+1!!!
Baffles me. Theres even talk that the new Astra VXR will have 4WD, same system as on the Insignia VXR.
Excuse me whilst I go throw up :sick:
Im am seriously having R withdrawal symptoms :embarassed:
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I think it will be 4 wheel drive.Evo,Car,Autocar etc. all seem to think it will be,surely that must be based on connections within Wolfsburg.I hope so anyway.The talk of 280-300hp wouldn't go amiss either!
Nice vid on Scirocco Central of a Scirocco R20 being loaded on to a transporter.Exhaust sounds great.
Sorry i cant provide the link,not much good with computers! :smiley:
Here ya go (I assume this is the one you are talking about...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiiOZS64pxU&feature=player_embedded
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Yesterday I pulled over to see if I rev'd the engine nice n hard how the exhaust sounds.... it wouldnt even let me go over 4k revs :shocked:
Do I have launch control???
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Oooh, I like the green Scirocco R on 19's. But it needs a 2.5T or V6.
I would really like the Golf R to have 4wd. But to justify 4WD over the FWD Scirocco's 265bhp surely it would need at least 280bhp? That would make it worth buying. Otherwise I think a GTI with a few mods makes sense. I guess we'll know next Tuesday.
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I might go to Frakfurt to have a look.
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MKVII is due late 2011. MKVI is just a facelift with cost cutting tweaks.
Nick
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R20 is not 4wd. :undecided:
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R20 is not 4wd. :undecided:
Where'd that info come from?
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R20 is not 4wd. :undecided:
Where'd that info come from?
Someone who wanted to put a deposit down. Dealer told them it was 100% not 4WD. tbh if the estimated figures are similar to that of the Rocco R then why would the setup be dissimilar?
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Someone who wanted to put a deposit down. Dealer told them it was 100% not 4WD. tbh if the estimated figures are similar to that of the Rocco R then why would the setup be dissimilar?
I was in 2 minds whether to put a deposit down too - as if it was 4wd I may have taken it over the Roc R. If its 2wd, then I'll stick with the deposit I put down on the Roc R over 3 months ago! Hopefully I'll be able to order it soon :evil:
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http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=20354&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fmay2009%2Fvw-r20-813-2.jpg (http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=20354&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fmay2009%2Fvw-r20-813-2.jpg)
Nice bra! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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i just dont get why if vauxhall can add a supercharger to their 2.8v6 (see insignia VXR thingymijigg) why cant VW do the same??
The Insignia has a mohassive engine bay, which is why a wide angle V6 will fit. The Golfs engine bay is much smaller, hence VR6 - which wont meet new emissions regs, or a 4 or 5 pot inline engine. :nerd:
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i just dont get why if vauxhall can add a supercharger to their 2.8v6 (see insignia VXR thingymijigg) why cant VW do the same??
+1!!!
Baffles me. Theres even talk that the new Astra VXR will have 4WD, same system as on the Insignia VXR.
And that is . . . . ? It is only a Haldex system - with all its limitations. :rolleyes:
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I wouldn't want one with VW's ancient V6. The turbocharged 4 pot is a great engine, one of the best around.
I would want one with the haldex system. No point buying if it's FWD.
Mk7 Frankfurt 2011 had better be good, I think Hondas new civic R might be a corker.
New CTR is still a few years off. They should have made the engine bay bigger and whacked a 500bhp turbo V6 in, that would be a proper R :evil:
Im not surprised theres no 4wd, ive been saying for ages there is no chance :cry:
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Yesterday I pulled over to see if I rev'd the engine nice n hard how the exhaust sounds.... it wouldnt even let me go over 4k revs :shocked:
Do I have launch control???
I dunno if you have launch control, but it is seriously bad for an engine to be reved without any loading. So maybe the ECU limits static engine revs.
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Yesterday I pulled over to see if I rev'd the engine nice n hard how the exhaust sounds.... it wouldnt even let me go over 4k revs :shocked:
Do I have launch control???
I dunno if you have launch control, but it is seriously bad for an engine to be reved without any loading. So maybe the ECU limits static engine revs.
Shame really, wanted to hear if it sounded as tame outside as it does inside :undecided:
Oh well should put another couple of 100miles on her today!! Anfield here we come!! :evil:
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At least you have yours to try and listen too i just have to keep watching this http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Video-2010-VW-Golf-GTI_643849.htm
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My tuppeneth on the Golf R20:
(1) It will be 4WD
(2) It will be more than 265BHP - perhaps around 280.
My reasoning being: VW need to differentiate between the Golf R20 and Scirroco R. If they're both FWD and same power output, why bother with the Golf.
I wouldn't be inclined to believe a stealer... I mean come on they make it up as they go along! And Auto Express....pppllleeeease!
Pure speculation... use it as toilet paper.
All will be revealed next week (hopefully). The fact it has been kept under wraps so long (after the accouncement of the Scirroco R) leads me to believe it will something special/different and not just the Scirroco R platform in a Golf dress.
And the lack of V6 - yes it's sad. It's a great loss (I've owned 2 Mk5 R32s), but it's time to move on.
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My tuppeneth on the Golf R20:
(1) It will be 4WD
(2) It will be more than 265BHP - perhaps around 280.
My reasoning being: VW need to differentiate between the Golf R20 and Scirroco R. If they're both FWD and same power output, why bother with the Golf.
I wouldn't be inclined to believe a stealer... I mean come on they make it up as they go along! And Auto Express....pppllleeeease!
Pure speculation... use it as toilet paper.
All will be revealed next week (hopefully). The fact it has been kept under wraps so long (after the accouncement of the Scirroco R) leads me to believe it will something special/different and not just the Scirroco R platform in a Golf dress.
And the lack of V6 - yes it's sad. It's a great loss (I've owned 2 Mk5 R32s), but it's time to move on.
I'd like to believe you're right but I fear not. They won't want to differentiate it from the Scirocco on performance grounds. The golf will be pitched as a practical version of the roc. Plus the fact they won't want to step on the S3's toes. Given the cost of the normal GTI, a 4wd 2.0T monster golf will very likely be in S3 territory in terms of performance, handling etc but just under the cost. Can't see that being allowed to happen.
At the moment the roc uses the same engine as the GTI, so they are not differentiating on performace, it is just the 'frock' thats different. Don't think this is going to change for R vs R either...
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My tuppeneth on the Golf R20:
(1) It will be 4WD
(2) It will be more than 265BHP - perhaps around 280.
My reasoning being: VW need to differentiate between the Golf R20 and Scirroco R. If they're both FWD and same power output, why bother with the Golf.
Erm, one is a very restrictive, unpracticable two door coupe with very restriced rear visibility, and appeals to a very limited sector of car owner. The other appeals to a universal prospective owner, in a very practical 3 or 5 door family hatch where getting your granny in the back doesn't require the fire service to chop off the roof.
Apples and oranges . . . :smug:
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So it looks like the 'Roc R will be the poor mans version...can't wait to find out next week!
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It just wont be 4wd. The mk6 GTI can be made to £30k with options, how much will the R20 be? :undecided:
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It just wont be 4wd. The mk6 GTI can be made to £30k with options, how much will the R20 be? :undecided:
If the Roc .:R is expected to start from £26k and is the 'poor mans version' then I'd imagine the Golf would have to start from £28k?
Personally I'm going for the 'poor mans version' - not because I'm poor... just because I prefer the styling of the Roc. In the 2 years I owned my ED30, I could have counted the times my back seats were used on 2 hands!
If I had kids and a grandma, then a Golf would be much better - but currently I might as well make the most of being young(ish!) and having no family!!
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ofc. it will be FWD .. why would it be 4WD? I would Kill the rocco.
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ofc. it will be FWD .. why would it be 4WD? I would Kill the rocco.
And give the S3 a near fatal stabbing. But I really really hope we're wrong!
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It just wont be 4wd. The mk6 GTI can be made to £30k with options, how much will the R20 be? :undecided:
According to Autocar article posted in the one eight turbo website, the R20 will be AWD... here's the link:
http://www.oneighturbo.com/2009/08/17/new-golf-r20-spy-shots-surface/
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The trouble with autocar is they are little more than gossip mongers. The only glimer of hope is that it has the same rear exhaust configuration as the R32, which on the R32 (I think!) was because of the way the exhast had to be routed round the 4wd gubbins at the back. It may be the case that they are just keeping them that way for historical reasons (like blue needles on the speedo and brake calipers etc) OR maybe, just maybe, for the same practical reasons as the R32 :drool:
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It just wont be 4wd. The mk6 GTI can be made to £30k with options, how much will the R20 be? :undecided:
According to Autocar article posted in the one eight turbo website, the R20 will be a AWD... here's the link:
http://www.oneighturbo.com/2009/08/17/new-golf-r20-spy-shots-surface/
Autocar are as believable as the pope :laugh:
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The trouble with autocar is they are little more than gossip mongers. The only glimer of hope is that it has the same rear exhaust configuration as the R32, which on the R32 (I think!) was because of the way the exhast had to be routed round the 4wd gubbins at the back. It may be the case that they are just keeping them that way for historical reasons (like blue needles on the speedo and brake calipers etc) OR maybe, just maybe, for the same practical reasons as the R32 :drool:
How about Inside Line? Also says it will be AWD. Here's the link:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=147808
HM
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Expect to see around 270 horsepower from the upgraded engine. And this much power means all-wheel drive as well, according to Rolf Trump, the project leader for the GTI. "Anything over 200 horsepower requires it," he tells Inside Line.
So thats why the ED30 has it? Or the new rocco R? :rolleyes:
All this stems from the same rumors, most bullsh!t about cars usually stems from autocar. Everyone else jumps on the bandwagon.
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Expect to see around 270 horsepower from the upgraded engine. And this much power means all-wheel drive as well, according to Rolf Trump, the project leader for the GTI. "Anything over 200 horsepower requires it," he tells Inside Line.
So thats why the ED30 has it? Or the new rocco R? :rolleyes:
All this stems from the same rumors, most bullsh!t about cars usually stems from autocar. Everyone else jumps on the bandwagon.
But could Evo also be following Autocar b/s? Here's the link :smiley::
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evospyshots/234975/volkswagen_golf_r20.html
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Yep. They are all presuming its 4wd because its an R model. There is not a single amount of evidence to suggest 4wd yet all the dealers are saying its FWD :undecided:
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The Inside Line and Evo article are from April and May - alot could have changed since then. The only way we're going to know for sure is next week when VW are likey to release a press statement and some pics after Frankfurt. I would bet that on Wednesday the new Auto Express weekly will shed some light - but it will probably be out on the 'net tomorrow.
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if ford can convince the world that 300bhp doesnt require AWD then VW should have no problem. If they continue to be the penny pinching misers that we know they can be then I wouldnt expect it to AWD.
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Are the rear discs bigger on the R32? Only reason I ask is some of the spy shots show the rear brake setup through the alloys. Just wondered if that would hint at any AWDness.
nick
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Thats a good point Horney, but I would imagine anything with more power than the ED30 would require a better setup than the current GTI one.
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I tried zooming in on the shots in PS to see if I could see a drive shaft but the pics aren't high enough res.
nick
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This is interesting....
Earlier this week we told you that VW will take the wraps off the Golf R hot hatch at this month's Frankfurt Motor Show. We also said that while we knew that the sportiest Golf would use the Scirocco R's 2.0-liter turbocharged four with around 270 horsepower, we weren't sure if it would keep the GTI's front wheel drive setup or go for an all-wheel drive system like the R32 that it will replace. Well, we've just been tipped off by a credible source that, unlike the FWD Scirocco R, the Golf R will be equipped with a four-wheel drive system similar to the one featured on the Audi S3.
We can also tell you that the Golf R that will be available in both three- and five-door bodystyles hits the 100km/h (62mph) mark from standstill in 5.5 seconds when equipped with VW's dual clutch transmission and 5.7 seconds with the standard six-speed manual gearbox. More to come next week.
Date - Friday Sept 11th 09
Source: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/09/insider-vw-r32-successor-270hp-golf-r.html
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That sounds epic if true!
Nick
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Yes it does, and it would make me very happy! Fingers crossed that credible source is 'credible'!
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That sound word for word like what Jamie from vortex has been saying for a while.
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i have changed my mind :grin:
i just watched the vid of it going round the ring and im now convinced its AWD!!! :laugh:
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If the Golf R isn't 4WD then it means VW continued the 4motion platform into the Mk6 range just for the 2.0TDi 4motion. Whilst I'm sure that is a worthy car in a Scandanavian winter, surely sales volumes would be too low to justify it? However a popular, if expensive, performance model with 4WD will sell everywhere.
I also don't get the arguement regarding a 4WD Golf R stepping on Audi's toes - I can't remember the last time I saw a late model S3, whereas I see R32's everywhere. Toes are already squashed. It would make sense for VW to keep hold of that market share.
I may be deluded but until VW says otherwise next week, I'm happy to believe it's 4WD. I hope.
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^^^
Its funny you mention the 4motion TDI as I was behind a mk5 4 motion TDI this afternoon and I thought to myself thats another nail in the R20 AWD coffin since I thought none of the mk6 'cooking' models were AWD. Since there is an awd mk6 out there it gives, as you say, great hope that the R will indeed be AWD. :drool:
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Is there any info on an expected price? The Roc .:R is set to be £26k TBC - so what are they going to make the Golf?
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The salesman who has taken my deposit said they had been told the base price will be around 25.5k. Presumably that equates to a 3-door manual with cloth seats.
Therefore with a few options it's gonna be easy to tip it over 30k. :shocked:
I wonder if Recaro seats will feature in the options list?Always loved them in R32s.
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Your salesman is probably confusing the Scirocco and Golf prices. A GTI with xenons, Monzas, ACC and metallic paint costs £25.5K. If it's 4WD I'd anticipate the Golf R to be at least £27K.
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Dunno ... base vs base is what you have to look at. What was the price diff between a mkv GTI and R32? 3 or 4k? Its the extra's that seem to be hellish expensive.
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Difference was about 3k iirc but you did get a few extras that were std on the R32, such as 18" wheels, Xenons, blue tinted glass, and a proper engine :grin:
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Difference was about 3k iirc but you did get a few extras that were std on the R32, such as 18" wheels, Xenons, blue tinted glass, and a proper engine :grin:
You also got a boat anchor...
Oh no, that was the engine. My mistake... :evil:
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Ha ha!
The suspense is killing me now, feel like I've been waiting an eternity to see something concrete about this car.
Hope the full details come out of the Frankfurt show and not just some stupid design concept.
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Difference was about 3k iirc but you did get a few extras that were std on the R32, such as 18" wheels, Xenons, blue tinted glass, and a proper engine :grin:
You also got a boat anchor...
Oh no, that was the engine. My mistake... :evil:
A bullitt proof anchor that is!! :grin:
Slightly more appealing than a pop corn matchine in a baked bean can :tongue: :evil:
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do we know what day/time the details for this are being released? is it this week?
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Should here something tomorrow from the Frankfurt Motor Show.
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A bullitt proof anchor that is!! :grin:
Slightly more appealing than a pop corn matchine in a baked bean can :tongue: :evil:
Bullet-proof it may be...but it still leans forward of the drive-line, carries too much weight too high up and gives Audi-like levels of understeer.
You can try to mask it all you like by adding 4WD and sending drive to the front...but you can't 'chuck' about anything with a VR/V6 hanging out the front.
Great noise though... :grin:
(although possibly still not as good as a BMW straight 6, or even close to a Porsche flat 6)
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"VW Golf R
2.0-litre turbo and four-wheel drive hot hatch"
From CAR ONLINE Frankfurt motor show preview. Now I really am starting to believe that it might indeed be 4WD after reading the same from other sources.
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A bullitt proof anchor that is!! :grin:
Slightly more appealing than a pop corn matchine in a baked bean can :tongue: :evil:
Bullet-proof it may be...but it still leans forward of the drive-line, carries too much weight too high up and gives Audi-like levels of understeer.
You can try to mask it all you like by adding 4WD and sending drive to the front...but you can't 'chuck' about anything with a VR/V6 hanging out the front.
Great noise though... :grin:
(although possibly still not as good as a BMW straight 6, or even close to a Porsche flat 6)
Still quicker on every track over the GTI, sounds more chuckable to me :laugh:
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Still quicker on every track over the GTI, sounds more chuckable to me :laugh:
Every track include Knockhill?
As every time I go, the V6s are understeering off...
Power circuits I'd probably agree to a point.
But since I don't live on a track, it's largely irrelevant...I'd still take the 4 pot as the chassis is better - or more suited to my driving style shall we say.
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I totally disagree with any statement that says the R understeers. That is only true if you dont know how to drive it! Thats all there is to say on the matter. :rolleyes:
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I totally disagree with any statement that says the R understeers. That is only true if you dont know how to drive it! Thats all there is to say on the matter. :rolleyes:
I'm inclined to agree...you have to learn to drive to it's strengths and weaknesses.
Out of the box, and for a more traditional 'Hot Hatch' driving style, it understeers though...
Ideally, a tuned 4 cylinder with the R32 running gear would be good - sort of like an S3 but with steering feel and feedback. Oh hang on...isn't it going to be called the Golf R20? :grin:
Well blow me.
Who'd have thought...
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I totally disagree with any statement that says the R understeers. That is only true if you dont know how to drive it! Thats all there is to say on the matter. :rolleyes:
I'm inclined to agree...you have to learn to drive to it's strengths and weaknesses.
Out of the box, and for a more traditional 'Hot Hatch' driving style, it understeers though...
Ideally, a tuned 4 cylinder with the R32 running gear would be good - sort of like an S3 but with steering feel and feedback. Oh hang on...isn't it going to be called the Golf R20? :grin:
Well blow me.
Who'd have thought...
Lets hope so!! :grin: :grin:
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As for the understeer comments, I agreed until I had it on the track. My word. The problem is, you need to have serious balls to take a corner fast enough to make the Haldex really kick in and 'steer' the car as well for you. My word can it take corners. I for one dont have enough balls to do it on roads, nor is it really safe so when you feel the car is going to understeer, to stop it, you actually have to be putting your foot down and tryin to take the corner faster. Its a strange concept, but my goodness does it work when you know really how to drive the R32.
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As for the understeer comments, I agreed until I had it on the track. My word. The problem is, you need to have serious balls to take a corner fast enough to make the Haldex really kick in and 'steer' the car as well for you. My word can it take corners. I for one dont have enough balls to do it on roads, nor is it really safe so when you feel the car is going to understeer, to stop it, you actually have to be putting your foot down and tryin to take the corner faster. Its a strange concept, but my goodness does it work when you know really how to drive the R32.
I found the same thing in early days of having the car... for god's sake dont brake :shocked: it will scare the cr4p out of you!! once you learn to drive it properly, understeer is a thing of the past. I find that switching the esp off makes the car a totally different beast all together! A must for any R owner :evil:
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See... told you it was going to be 4WD. :rolleyes:
Get yourself a stage 3 remap:
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/AudiS320T%20Stage3%20WM.pdf (http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/AudiS320T%20Stage3%20WM.pdf)
Then, bingo, you've got yourself a 337BHP 4WD Porsche 911 beating machine! :laugh:
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I find that switching the esp off makes the car a totally different beast all together! A must for any R owner :evil:
Oh yes, ESP must be off for such track or spirited driving, otherwise the car uses all its techno gubbins to keep you safe :laugh: :laugh:
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I totally disagree with any statement that says the R understeers. That is only true if you dont know how to drive it! Thats all there is to say on the matter. :rolleyes:
But then your compensating so that it doesnt understeer. That doesnt mean it doesnt do it, it just means your not taking the car to that point where it does.
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I called the dealer today and put down a deposit on the Golf R - so I'm now first inline for a Golf R and Scirocco R!
He said it was definately 4wd - but didn't know anything else.
I guess we'll get proper answers soon.
If its 2wd, then I'll take the Roc... if its 4wd then I'll have some serious thinking to do!!
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/6528/volkswagen-to-enter-wrc/
I know this is old news but the entry idea was for 2011. An AWD 2.0T Golf would fit the bill perfectly.
Nick
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You potential r20t owners must be fairly flush with cash, to buy it, its not going to be cheap, depending on standard spec, its not going to be cheap adding options, then fuel economy, your tax in 2011 is gonna be sky high and insurance might cost a few quid etc etc.
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You potential r20t owners must be fairly flush with cash, to buy it, its not going to be cheap, depending on standard spec, its not going to be cheap adding options, then fuel economy, your tax in 2011 is gonna be sky high and insurance might cost a few quid etc etc.
Tax should be cheaper than the R32 as it will be much cleaner (hence the dropping of the V6).
nick
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Then, bingo, you've got yourself a 337BHP 4WD Porsche 911 beating machine! :laugh:
Until it comes to point to point, or braking...they you don't have a hope.
911s aren't quick in a straight line...but not much will match them when you have to corner and brake.
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Then, bingo, you've got yourself a 337BHP 4WD Porsche 911 beating machine! :laugh:
Until it comes to point to point, or braking...they you don't have a hope.
911s aren't quick in a straight line...but not much will match them when you have to corner and brake.
But, you can't get 4 people comfortably in a 911. And you're talking £60K+ for a new 911 versus ~£30K for the R20. :evil:
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But, you can't get 4 people comfortably in a 911. And you're talking £60K+ for a new 911 versus ~£30K for the R20. :evil:
True...
But you can buy a good 996 for new R20 money.
The VW will likely be more reliable and fluid tight too.
But, for ultimate driving thrills, a front engined Golf isn't going to cut it, no matter how good it is.
Horses for courses...
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I called the dealer today and put down a deposit on the Golf R - so I'm now first inline for a Golf R and Scirocco R!
That's just greedy :grin:
You potential r20t owners must be fairly flush with cash
I'm lucky as mine would be a company car - if it's not too expensive :smiley:
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But you can buy a good 996 for new R20 money.
I've been looking for a decent used 996C4S or 997C2S for the last 3 months. They are like rocking horse sh*t due to the current used car supply issues - at least 1 owner tidy examples are. The last one was a private sale and I was outbid by a DEALER. Prices are going up almost weekly.
I give up. Brand new R20 for me.
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According to my dealer today, he expects the standard R20 Golf to be approximately the same price as the Roc R - if not cheaper.
The road tax will likely be in the same category as the GTI or the one above - but certainly not into the £400 one as it shouldn't have much more emissions being that its still the 2.0TSI engine.
Insurance doesn't bother me as I'm 31 (or likely 32 by the time it comes out!) and have 11 years no claims protected.
If I was bothered about fuel economy then I'd buy a GTD! I can't see it beng much worse than the GTI as the Audi S3 isn't any worse really and has 265bhp and 4WD.
I have the cash waiting since my Edition 30 was written off 6 months ago - and since we're unlikely to see the Roc .:R or Golf .:R until March, I should have enough for some extras too!
However, another 6 months of driving a borrowed Smart Car might kill me before I get it!!
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But you can buy a good 996 for new R20 money.
I've been looking for a decent used 996C4S or 997C2S for the last 3 months. They are like rocking horse sh*t due to the current used car supply issues - at least 1 owner tidy examples are. The last one was a private sale and I was outbid by a DEALER. Prices are going up almost weekly.
I give up. Brand new R20 for me.
I hear you...
I just sold my 996 C4S for approx £7k more than I'd have got for it a year ago...to a dealer!
One owner, 16500 miles, immaculate, Aerokit, GT3 wheels, Speed Yellow, blah, blah, blah...£79.5k worth...and oddly, after 5 years with it, I'm looking to go the other way, back to something I can use everyday!
They may not be practical, sensible, reliable (make sure you have a warranty) or even that quick in a straight line...but if you want something you have to put the hours in to learn, and want something that will thrill like nothing else...it's an itch you are going to have to scratch at some point. I hope you find a good one...
I doubt there will be many in the UK as good as my old one...but, it's time to move on.
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on the road a remapped gti will pretty much keep up with a 996 standard or 4s except in direct straight line drag - anything twisty and the gti will stick to the 996 like glue and a remapped ed30 in the dry will have any 996 except the gt3/tt sweating. 1st hand experience of them all.
997s straight is v quick and will eat all but the remapped ed30 which will keep up - but get a remapped gti/ed30 infront on twisties the 911 will find the gti hard to pass until a reasonable straight.
assuming the r20 gets remapped to 320-330 it will be more of the above but not much more than a remapped ed30 in the dry id expect.
911 c4s will waste a standard set up gti/remap on the track - but can be countered to a pretty level playing field by putting aftermarket suspension tricks on the gti. seen plenty of 911 drivers scratching their heads at track days wondering why they cant get passed a golf. always funny
im the same do keep considering merits of what looks like spending 30k on a golf - as much as i love them - v near used 997s money - 996 c4s a steal at 25k ish. One thing with 911s whatever anyone says out of warranty they are v expensive to run esp when things break. thats the bonus of the golf - near real world porsche performance without the running costs. 2 years of ownership mines been the most hassle free reliable car ive owned and puts a smile on my face whenever i drive it.
r20t will have to be v good
cheers y
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My MD had a 996 C4S and had it in for a service not so long ago, you wont believe the cost and the amount that was wrong with it. New brakes, new clutch etc etc.
£7,000 was the quote . . . . . :shocked: he ended up not bothering and just traded it in for 997 lol :rolleyes:
He was MIGHTY impressed with my modded GTI aswell :cool:
This is his new one (and mine), its VERY nice:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/twior/DSC00009-1.jpg)
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7000 reasons not to buy a 911 - youve just made the easiest case for the R20.
911S are brilliant but seriously 7k - you can nearly buy a high mile mk5 gti for that - i must be getting old - would resent paying out that much
now then if it were a Ferrari maybe - but even then - the biggest bill i ever had on mine was a very exceptional 3.5k - one of the main reasons i always shy away from porsches is they only offer a 2 year warranty which for me says it all about their - fabled - german engineering or for that matter Audi's - try owning an RS6 or RS4 out of warranty again great cars but eat shock absorbers for breakfast at 600 a pop. all cars generally have some issues.
apparently caymans are the porsche to go for in terms of runnings costs and reliability - must say they are growing on me but 3 kiddies = limitations =
when we all know whats what tomorrow well have to start talking about the upcoming limited edition Golf R with the TTRS engine in it - now that will be a porsche eater :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: - duck
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on the road a remapped gti will pretty much keep up with a 996 standard or 4s except in direct straight line drag - anything twisty and the gti will stick to the 996 like glue and a remapped ed30 in the dry will have any 996 except the gt3/tt sweating. 1st hand experience of them all.
Give your head a shake!
A BT GTI is often quicker in a straight line but not even close on the twisties - 280 BHP properly sorted and set up S3s and R32s can't even see which way a C4S went if the 911 owner knows how to drive - and that's from experience of owning them!
Ask the R32 owner that was trying to keep up with me on the way home from GTI International this year (he's a mate, and can drive...in a 280BHP R32)
997s straight is v quick and will eat all but the remapped ed30 which will keep up - but get a remapped gti/ed30 infront on twisties the 911 will find the gti hard to pass until a reasonable straight.
Nonesense, in my view.
GTI may well be as quick or quicker in a straight line drag race...but out of corners where you can use the traction of the 911...a FWD hatch just isn't playing the same game...even the Haldex versions struggle.
A remapped Ed30 may well 'keep up' until you hit the brakes...Ed30 wags it's tail under braking and squirms, 911 leaves braking 2-3 seconds later, brakes true, gets on the power and is gone before the Ed30 stops wheelspinning.
Seriously, they aren't even playing the same game...but, anyone can drive a GTI like that...whereas it takes years to get to the same point in the 911.
My old 8L S3 used to make 280BHP/330+lb-ft and had a chassis and brakes to match...and when I first sold it to a mate, he's keep up with the C4S...a year later he couldn't see which way I went...leading him to chop the S3 in for a 993 C4.
911 c4s will waste a standard set up gti/remap on the track - but can be countered to a pretty level playing field by putting aftermarket suspension tricks on the gti. seen plenty of 911 drivers scratching their heads at track days wondering why they cant get passed a golf. always funny
Maybe so...
The trouble is, as you make a GTI better on the track, you make it worse on the road...the 911 is great everywhere...
im the same do keep considering merits of what looks like spending 30k on a golf - as much as i love them - v near used 997s money - 996 c4s a steal at 25k ish. One thing with 911s whatever anyone says out of warranty they are v expensive to run esp when things break. thats the bonus of the golf - near real world porsche performance without the running costs. 2 years of ownership mines been the most hassle free reliable car ive owned and puts a smile on my face whenever i drive it.
People will tell you all sorts about how tuned GTIs/S3s/R32s will stick with a 911.
All very good I say...but go and buy one, learn it...then come back after 2-3 years and tell me the same.
It doesn't happen.
I'm not saying you can't tune a GTI/S3/R32 to do it...but then try tuning the 911 and all bets are off again.
Different cars...different drives.
One thing is for certain...you can tune a GTI/S3/R32 all you like...but it will NEVER involve or reward like a 911.
You pays your money and makes your choice.
With regard to running a 996...you need a warranty.
Budget on around £3000 per year to have it taxed, insured, serviced and warrantied (warranty = £1350 from Porsche) and then don't worry about it breaking - which it will - just drive it / get it fixed.
My 996 was cheaper to run over 3 1/3 years than my S3 before it...tyre and brake wear was less, no bush wear, and I drove both hard.
People will tell you that you can use a 996 daily as an everyday car...yes, you can. But you'd better have deep pockets.
They ain't cheap to run properly.
As for near real world Porsche performance. When?
My C4S did sub 5 second 0-60s, and 175+ genuine MPH on any long road you looked at...from the minute I collected it to the minute I sold it.
I don't know of too many real world Golfs that do that.
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^^^ Ess_Three speaks the truth there. 911 is in an altogether different league.
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apparently caymans are the porsche to go for in terms of runnings costs and reliability - must say they are growing on me but 3 kiddies = limitations =
my brother had a cayman s. honestly, the nuts of a car. and i know you remap boys think you could keep up in a chipped ed 30 or r32, but that thing was a monster and (in my opinion) there is no way a hatchback would be able to corner like that porsche - it was immense. dull inside though (apart from the bose system), his hard top z4 was much better :laugh:
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my brother had a cayman s. honestly, the nuts of a car. and i know you remap boys think you could keep up in a chipped ed 30 or r32, but that thing was a monster and (in my opinion) there is no way a hatchback would be able to corner like that porsche - it was immense. dull inside though (apart from the bose system), his hard top z4 was much better :laugh:
The Cayman is awesome. Brilliant to drive...
But, almost too good, if that makes sense. It doesn't do any of the odd things that makes a 911 appealling as a learning opportunity.
You can jump in a Cayman and drive it to 90% in a couple of hours - it's almost telepathic.
A 911 takes years...and years....they do some very odd things.
I almost changed to a Cayman S...loved the one I had on loan for a few days...but the Salesman suggested I drive my 911 home on the same twisty route I had returned the Cayman using...and call him when I got home.
Needless to say, I did, and decided to keep the 911. "Knew you would" came the reply.
But if almost perfect Sportscars are your thing - the Cayman S is it.
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As Expected really, just got to wait for the price now. I'd make sure you are seated.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut (http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut)
Dave
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7000 reasons not to buy a 911 - youve just made the easiest case for the R20.
911S are brilliant but seriously 7k - you can nearly buy a high mile mk5 gti for that - i must be getting old - would resent paying out that much
So would I.
But I'd pay it in £1350 yearly installments to make sure I didn't het hit with it all at once, with no issues. Odd.
now then if it were a Ferrari maybe - but even then - the biggest bill i ever had on mine was a very exceptional 3.5k - one of the main reasons i always shy away from porsches is they only offer a 2 year warranty which for me says it all about their - fabled - german engineering or for that matter Audi's - try owning an RS6 or RS4 out of warranty again great cars but eat shock absorbers for breakfast at 600 a pop. all cars generally have some issues.
Porsches are not expensive to run if you are using the performance and keep on top of them.
My 996 was cheaper to run ober 3 1/2 years than my 8L S3.
S3 = 3 sets of brakes (standard, uprated discs and pads, Brembos), 3 sets of tyres (1 set of 17s, 2 sets of 18s) did approx 20 MPG and failed it's first MOT with 3 worn out suspension bushes and a worn out track rod end (I did say I drove them hard!)...plus 3 services.
911 = 1 pair of rear tyres @ 7000 miles (£550) and basic servicing...and it did around the same MPG - hell, it did 18.7 MPG flat out riund the 'ring!
Overall, the 911 was cheaper to run, but more expensive to insure...but they equalled out over 3 1/2 years.
So it doesn't always cost a fortune to run one.
apparently caymans are the porsche to go for in terms of runnings costs and reliability - must say they are growing on me but 3 kiddies = limitations =
Cayman and 996/7 all have fixed price servicing so prices are a few pints worth of difference, nothing more.
when we all know whats what tomorrow well have to start talking about the upcoming limited edition Golf R with the TTRS engine in it - now that will be a porsche eater :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: - duck
Oh no...not more nose weight...heavy assed 5 pot = more understeer.
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As Expected really, just got to wait for the price now. I'd make sure you are seated.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut (http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut)
Dave
Hmm...underwhelming.
I know where my deposit won't be going...
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Needs. More. Power. :sad: But it is 4WD. :smiley:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/mac7/GolfRR.jpg)
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As Expected really, just got to wait for the price now. I'd make sure you are seated.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut (http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut)
Dave
I like it -understated like the Mk5 R32.
4WD confirmed - tick in box.
Needs more power - yes. Nothing a remap can't solve (unlike the Mk5 R32).
Wheels are smart.
Interior looks great... much swisher than the Mk5 R32.
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Nothing special really :nerd:
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Based only on those pics I prefer the GTi. May change my mind when seeing it in the flesh but so far not unhappy that we didn't wait to get the R20 over the GTi.
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I'm suprised they havn't set the Rocco R and the Golf R apart a little more, I think the Rocco has more style, but is less practical than a 3 door Golf.
I also think the Golf has the smarter rea lamps, and the bonus of 4wd.
Hard one to call for me, as one of these will replace my ED30 next year.....
Dave
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I like it but, the GTI is better looking. More power is cheap so it all depends on the list price.
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WOW! VW have some imagination in making it different from the Roc .:R!!
It looks identical, but stretched upwards a bit.
Same interior, same wheels, same front... the only thing cosmetically different is the exhaust setup. I prefer the rear of the Roc... but I think the 4wd is too good to miss out on.
I guess I will just have to wait for technical specs and prices, and then I can make my mind up.
Its a shame as I had my heart set on the Roc... and now VW have thrown a spanner in my works!!
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As Expected really, just got to wait for the price now. I'd make sure you are seated.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut (http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut)
Dave
I like it -understated like the Mk5 R32.
4WD confirmed - tick in box.
Needs more power - yes. Nothing a remap can't solve (unlike the Mk5 R32).
Wheels are smart.
Interior looks great... much swisher than the Mk5 R32.
I'm sufficiently impressed to put down a £500 deposit at a dealer. :shocked:
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I'm sufficiently impressed to put down a £500 deposit at a dealer. :shocked:
I did this today - so now I'm 1st in the queue for a Roc .:R and a Golf .:R at my dealer!
The deposits are fully refundable... so if they turn out to be too expensive, or I don't like the spec etc, I can get a full refund. All it is doing is holding my place as No1 in the queue for ordering. Its not like £500 would get much interest in the next few months - so I might as well do something useful with it!
According to my dealer today, its unlikely that we'll see either a Roc or a Golf .:R on the road in the UK until March 2010.
Ah well... only another 6 months wait - I've already been waiting since May for a Roc .:R!!!
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Its basically as i expected from the spy photos and rumours.
I do like the wheels and rear lights. :smiley:
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Underwhelmed...a bit too understated from those photos but you can't argue with the 4wd...depends how the rest copes with a remap and the extra power.
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I'm sufficiently impressed to put down a £500 deposit at a dealer. :shocked:
I did this today - so now I'm 1st in the queue for a Roc .:R and a Golf .:R at my dealer!
The deposits are fully refundable... so if they turn out to be too expensive, or I don't like the spec etc, I can get a full refund. All it is doing is holding my place as No1 in the queue for ordering. Its not like £500 would get much interest in the next few months - so I might as well do something useful with it!
According to my dealer today, its unlikely that we'll see either a Roc or a Golf .:R on the road in the UK until March 2010.
Ah well... only another 6 months wait - I've already been waiting since May for a Roc .:R!!!
Same for me - but I can wait. Need to think about colour - I like that blue (like the Mk5 I had), but bet it would look mint in Candy White.
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I likey. Once my wedding is out of the way I know where I'm going.
Glad (pleasantly surprised) VW did the decent thing with AWD.
The Golf R's usually are understated compared to the GTI so no great surprise there. Pretty impressive how close the shopped pictures were to the real thing... :wink:
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The Golf R's usually are understated compared to the GTI so no great surprise there.
I have to say I'm glad its understated. I'd hate for it to look like a Focus RS or something! At least I'll be able to get one of these and park it in the street withouth worrying too much!
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Underwhelmed...a bit too understated from those photos but you can't argue with the 4wd...depends how the rest copes with a remap and the extra power.
It just looks so ordinary. We all know Golfs are not lairy & brash like the competition, but it just looks so dull from the outside. I wonder how much of a premium people will be expected to pay over the standard GTI?
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think its very nice - mature understated looks - nice interior - except lack of leather - not personally keen on the wheels - could have done with a bit more power as standard - will keep remappers happy though.
now the only problem is too worry about keeping up with those 911's i get to drive whenever i want :smiley: - though of course never passing because that wouldnt be allowed especially on a track :wink: - then wouldnt be able to drive it home because it would shatter my bones
oops cant though 997 in the dealers 2nd failed seal and failed battery 2007 c4s 10k miles -
996 c4s then - oops cant - you guessed in dealers 3rd rms failure
at least the 993c4s is working and thats definately no faster than the remapped gti - until - you get it on the track where those agreed much superior traction and brakes do come into their own and as i stated the golf gets wasted i think were my words
but on the road driving with some thought for other road users the advantage becomes a bit more mute.
seriously though never said the GTI was faster just highlighting the fact of how good a remapped gti/ed30 is in that it can keep up with a 996 when travelling behind - or the difficulty they can give to a much superior car when in front.
have to say hadnt driven the 996c4s and 993c4s since id had the gti in remap mode and tbh came as bit of a shock to me that the difference wasnt as great as i thought having spent the last 10 years driving 911s whenever i wanted
1988 3.2 carrera
1990 c4 964
1996 993 c4s
996gt3
997c2s
997c4s
glad u like yours though nice to be happy with what i agree is an iconic car - oops there goes my head again
cheers
y
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I've read a few articles since this was posted saying that its estimated to be priced FROM £25k.
Obviously almost EVERYTHING will be extra... but fingers crossed that xenons are standard like they are on the Roc .:R - at least that'll be part of the extra cost over the GTI justified!!
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Mr T_T, have you seen the tyres :grin: :grin: :grin:
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu359/rjwojcik/volkswagen-golf-r20-large_05.jpg)
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ROFL!!!
Good spot with the tyres!
Re: the R20T, it looks nice certainly, but I'm not disappointed to have gotten the GTI instead. I guess that means job done for VW... i.e. they haven't pissed off current GTI owners!
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Lets not kid ourselves here, the 'R' is friggin stunning. Crap colour though. There's nothing at all I dont like about it.
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Lets not kid ourselves here, the 'R' is friggin stunning. Crap colour though. There's nothing at all I dont like about it.
Doesn't pop my corn Kev, prefer the GTI. Might have a drive when one comes out but I don't struggle for traction in my car and it looks like my car being mapped would be quicker than this (more bhp less weight).
Although colour always make a difference and that would look sweet in black.....
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Some confirmed details here:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/243138/
266bhp
236lbft of tourque
New hydraulic 4WD
0-62mph 5.7s (Man), 5.5s (DSG)
155mph limited top speed
35kg lighter than Mk5 R32
CO2 199g/km
Combined econnomy 33.2mpg (versus 26.4mpg for Mk5 R32)
ESP with track settting
Expected price £28,500 :shocked:
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More on AutoExpress:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/241732/ultimate_gti_unleashed.html
A refreshed grille and 18-inch alloy wheels round off the changes – 19-inch rims are available as an option.
19-inch are an option! :rolleyes:
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LOL ! Cracking spot with the Dunlops :D :D
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Lets not kid ourselves here, the 'R' is friggin stunning. Crap colour though. There's nothing at all I dont like about it.
Doesn't pop my corn Kev, prefer the GTI. Might have a drive when one comes out but I don't struggle for traction in my car and it looks like my car being mapped would be quicker than this (more bhp less weight).
Although colour always make a difference and that would look sweet in black.....
But if you were to map the R it would annihilate the GTI, at least 300 bhp from stage 1 vs (a very respectable) 280 ish for the GTI. The R will have the K04 turbo which means its going to be easier to get more power out of it than the GTI.
£28.5k stock though :shocked: I hope it comes well loaded as stock.
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Will the R only be available as a 3 door does anyone know?
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I would have thought it would also be a 5 door.
£28.5k stock though :shocked: I hope it comes well loaded as stock.
I think we both know you got two hopes of that :rolleyes:
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I would have thought it would also be a 5 door.
£28.5k stock though :shocked: I hope it comes well loaded as stock.
I think we both know you got two hopes of that :rolleyes:
I know :sad:
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Will the R only be available as a 3 door does anyone know?
5 Door as well.
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Really impressed with how this seems to be shaping up. The MkVI has grown on me but the GTI still isn't enough of a change from my MkV to ever warrant it in my opinion, plus I love my MkV and plan to keep it.
The R however gives me something to get excited about that isn't BMW or Audi.
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Will the R only be available as a 3 door does anyone know?
Some of the pics show a 5 door version....
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It's enough for me to hold out on putting that deposit down on the GTi.
With the extras i put on the GTi it bumped it up just over 26k. If it's 1-2k more i might reconsider what to go for.
Had my mk4 since it was 3 months old and the reason why i hung on to her was because i could never find a suitable replacement. Didn't want the mk5 r32 because it looked like the government were going to cripple the v6 on tax.
Going to keep a close eye on this topic!
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Some confirmed details here:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/243138/
266bhp
236lbft of tourque
New hydraulic 4WD
0-62mph 5.7s (Man), 5.5s (DSG)
155mph limited top speed
35kg lighter than Mk5 R32
CO2 199g/km
Combined econnomy 33.2mpg (versus 26.4mpg for Mk5 R32)
ESP with track settting
Expected price £28,500 :shocked:
Hmm...so you are getting about 30 BHP more than a GTI actually at the wheels?
Easier to drive hard off the line due to the 4WD fair enough...but more weight...and not 'that' much more torque.
It had better drive well, or I can see a remapped GTI being a good option.
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More pics from Autocar:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/volkswagen-golf/vw-golf-r,-new-pics-and-details/243138/pictures/vw-golf-r,-new-pics-and-details.aspx
Rear LED lights look cool. :drool:
Brake calipers are black (not blue like Mk5 R32), but have nice R logo on 'em. :smiley:
And it's wearing what look like Pirello P Zero tyres in these pics. :cool:
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I'm impressed. At £28500 though I think my extras list is going to be short!
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28.5k is treading on the toes of the s3. Surely must be a little cheaper?
But then again, VW's pricing does seem to be 1k too much across the range!
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TBH having had a MK4 and now a MK5 Id rather have an S3 than this.
There is also the fact that I wont be able to afford this but still lol
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For me this is the first Golf I have been realy really excited about since the launch of the MKIII VR6. If I had the money I'd be straight down the dealers with a deposit.
However being poor I shall have to wait about 15 years till one of these drops into my kind of price bracket :-(
nick
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WOW! £28.5k seems a tad steep considering an S3 starts at £26k and you'll likely get a decent discount off that. Plus the Golf doesn't have leather as stanard and the S3 does.
I was pretty much swayed into taking the Golf rather than the Roc, but the pricing structure might push me back to the Roc!
By the time I add on DSG, Folding mirrors, Reverse Cam, Dynaudio, Bigger wheels and Metallic Paint - not forgetting my retrofit RNS-510 & Bluetoth - this could end up costing about £33k.
Seems a tad extreme for a Golf... considering my ED30 cost about £23.5k new with most of the above!
I have a deposit down anyway - so can decide when I see the options list.
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I like it. It will be over £30k to get a decent spec though which is second hand RS4 and BMW 335i territory, both of which are better!
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Im excited too but its just too expensive. 31k by the time I am done speccing leather, 19s and a lux pack. Think of what else I can get for that money!!
I can buy my R32 out of finance in a few months for 10k and still have 21k left over for a second car.........or....21k for a second hand MKVI Golf R in a couple of years I think.....
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Or turbo it and blow away the R20 and most other things :evil:
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Or turbo it and blow away the R20 and most other things :evil:
Now theres an idea :laugh: :laugh:
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Some good pictures from Frankfurt here, showing amongst other things the optional Recaros:
http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Events/Industry/Frankfurt%20IAA/2009/Volkswagen%20Show%20Photos&start=48 (http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Events/Industry/Frankfurt%20IAA/2009/Volkswagen%20Show%20Photos&start=48)
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Yeah! I might well look into one of these! Recaros are a must!
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I bet they will be a £1k + option.
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£2200 on the R32 mate :grin:
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Or turbo it and blow away the R20 and most other things :evil:
Now theres an idea :laugh: :laugh:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HGP-Turbonachruestung-A3-TT-Golf-V-R32-DSG-405PS-530Nm_W0QQitemZ350236883992QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubehör?hash=item518bbebc18&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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£2200 on the R32 mate :grin:
£28500 + £2200 = :cry:
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+ DSG
+ Parking sensors
+ Lux pack
+ Winter pack
+ RNS510
= £33-4k (ish)
or
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1142630.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1242559.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/715486.htm
:undecided:
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Those Recaros look mint... if you go forward a page on that site, there's the new R-Line (in white):
http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Events/Industry/Frankfurt%20IAA/2009/Volkswagen%20Show%20Photos&start=72# (http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Events/Industry/Frankfurt%20IAA/2009/Volkswagen%20Show%20Photos&start=72#)
Maybe dilutes the R brand a bit. May not come to UK though.
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+ DSG
+ Parking sensors
+ Lux pack
+ Winter pack
+ RNS510
= £33-4k (ish)
or
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1142630.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1242559.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/715486.htm
:undecided:
Apples and oranges mate. With the Golf R you getting brand new car... associated peace of mind... etc... etc...
But, have to admit, £33-4K is ALOT for just a Golf.
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+ DSG
+ Parking sensors
+ Lux pack
+ Winter pack
+ RNS510
= £33-4k (ish)
or
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1142630.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1242559.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/715486.htm
:undecided:
Apples and oranges mate. With the Golf R you getting brand new car... associated peace of mind... etc... etc...
But, have to admit, £33-4K is ALOT for just a Golf.
Its not just a golf, I hear too many people say that about the GTI too. Its far more than just a golf.
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It is just a golf, albeit a fast one. Its a car made predominantly to go the the shops and drive to work, then tweaked with a different engine and badged differently.
If it was purpose built, only the GTI existed, then it would not be just a golf. We just own tweaked shopping cars though mate.
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It is just a golf, albeit a fast one. Its a car made predominantly to go the the shops and drive to work, then tweaked with a different engine and badged differently.
If it was purpose built, only the GTI existed, then it would not be just a golf. We just own tweaked shopping cars though mate.
Faster yep, but a golf doesnt have 4WD, doesnt have half as much of the looks the gti/r's have, or the superb interior.
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We just own tweaked shopping cars though mate.
:grin: Have to agree. But even an RS4 is just a tweaked shopping car. Personally, that's what I like about them!
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Why not buy standard Golf's or the bottom of the range Audi then ? If they aint fast enough then remap them.
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I have 4wd but its still based on a car designed to ferry the family round and pick up the shopping!
An RS4 isnt a tweeked shopping cart, more a tweeked rep mobile.
Something like a porsche or a ferrari is what you could not say 'just a ferrari', but a golf, no matter how fast or with what engine is a golf!
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I must confess that I often go shopping in my Golf :D :lipsrsealed:
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I must confess that I often go shopping in my Golf :D :lipsrsealed:
Yeah I do as well. Having no interior also makes it an ideal tip run car!
nick
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I have 4wd but its still based on a car designed to ferry the family round and pick up the shopping!
An RS4 isnt a tweeked shopping cart, more a tweeked rep mobile.
Something like a porsche or a ferrari is what you could not say 'just a ferrari', but a golf, no matter how fast or with what engine is a golf!
You completely ignored what I said and went straight back to the speed debate. Name me a standard golf with 4wd, the plush interior and the looks of a gti. You should be able to as they are just golfs.
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Sorry to break up the shopping car dispute. But, more details here:
http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2010-golf_r/
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Loving those seats - although they're only half leather.
Add that to my current wish list and that'd be about £33.5k
Kind of obscene money for a Golf - considering I could buy 2 1.4TSI's for that!!!
Autocar say we should have them on the road in January - I wonder how realistic that is? Apparently we should have had the Roc .:R on the road NOW!
I need a car soon... all this hanging around is killing me!!
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£33-4K is ALOT for just a Golf.
FFS, yes! That's a fortune :shocked:
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Half leather/half alcantara recaros will do nicely!
Better start saving now I think. Really is a lot of cash though, especially in the current climate when you consider the customers VW must aim the Golf R at.
I would imagine that in the main, a car like this is pitched at the young professional market (which includes me) and right now there aren't too many of us who feel sufficiently confident to splurge this kind of cash on a car. Most of us are too concerned with the student debts we racked up, made worse by frozen pay rises and negative equity!!
Still want an R though!!
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made worse by frozen pay rises and negative equity!!
Still want an R though!!
Even worse by pay cuts :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Very true mate, I've been lucky and avoided that so far.
Hopefully by the time the economy shows real signs of recovery, there'll be a few Golf R's knocking about on the used market with some decent savings. Surprised to read on autocar though that VW only plan to sell 500 a year in the UK.
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Surprised to read on autocar though that VW only plan to sell 500 a year in the UK.
They do that to prevent over-supply and allow them to maintain the list price without discounting. Did it with the MkV GTI and R32.
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Didn't know they did it with the MkV GTI.
Makes sense but will put the dampers on my plan for a 6 month old one for about £24k!!
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I've read that the new haldex will transfer 100% torque to the rear axle - did the system in the R32 not do that then?
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No, If memory serves it was only a 60 / 40 split.
Where did you read that?
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I've read that the new haldex will transfer 100% torque to the rear axle - did the system in the R32 not do that then?
Yes, thats correct. I read it too, trying to find the source.
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New system has some constant on demand pressure type thingy which basicly means it's a gazillion times better than the haldex system on the old R.
nick
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constant on demand pressure type thingy
Is that the technical name for it Nick :D ?
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Yup!
Unlike the four-wheel-drive system fitted to the R32, which relied on differing wheel speeds between the front and rear axles, the Golf R uses a pre-charged hydraulic system that reacts quicker and reduces wheelspin by limiting the torque channelled through either axle. In extreme cases, up to 100 per cent of the torque can be channelled to the rear wheels if required.
Some press release or other had this in.
nick
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Where is TT when you need him lol.
I assume its the same as the Audi system then? Correct me if I am wrong? Or is it the fact that 100% of power will go to the front wheels unless they lose traction and then it shifts it as needed, only much more efficiently compared to the Haldex.
Are some of the Audi set at 60/40 ratio in that there will always be at least 60% drive to the rear wheels, I wonder will the Golf R be like that. I may have got that wrong but maybe someone can correct me as required.
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I believe it's the same system as fitted to the newest S3.
Nick
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How cool would it be if there was a RWD button :D :D
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How cool would it be if there was a Drift button :D :D
Fixed that for ya!
nick
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How cool would it be if there was a RWD button :D :D
thAt would be awesomeness :laugh:
just noticed your postcount nick is 6666 :evil:
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Are some of the Audi set at 60/40 ratio
my missus a4 3.0 quattro s-line has a 60/40 split if that's any help (its the new shape one too).
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Apples and oranges mate. With the Golf R you getting brand new car... associated peace of mind... etc... etc...
But, have to admit, £33-4K is ALOT for just a Golf.
I'm with you...
With the new Golf you are buying cheap running costs - often a fraction of what it'll cost you to run and maintain those mentioned above.
A car that cost £60-100k new still has £60-100k running costs, even if you only paid £30k for it.
What's a Golf going to cost over it's 3 warrantied years?
£250 for the service pack, a pair of front tyres and petrol at 30 MPG.
Try a similar deal in an M5/996TT...£3000-4000 per year and 18MPG?
The dream may look good...the reality is somewhat different.
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^ Couldn't agree more.
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Apples and oranges mate. With the Golf R you getting brand new car... associated peace of mind... etc... etc...
But, have to admit, £33-4K is ALOT for just a Golf.
I'm with you...
With the new Golf you are buying cheap running costs - often a fraction of what it'll cost you to run and maintain those mentioned above.
A car that cost £60-100k new still has £60-100k running costs, even if you only paid £30k for it.
What's a Golf going to cost over it's 3 warrantied years?
£250 for the service pack, a pair of front tyres and petrol at 30 MPG.
Try a similar deal in an M5/996TT...£3000-4000 per year and 18MPG?
The dream may look good...the reality is somewhat different.
Yeah. I was looking at a £40K MY05/06 997 C2S. In terms of total cost of ownership, the brand new Golf R and the used C2S would be about the same. C2S wins on depreciation, but Golf wins on running costs.
EDIT: My calculations are based on the Golf R costing £34K - so a pretty high spec one. C2S costs are optimistic and assume no warranty (Porsche warranty is £1350 per year :rolleyes:) and no unexpected failures (e.g. RMS/IMS/Clutch/Engine).
I guess you could say the Golf R is the sensible less risky option. :grin:
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Yeah. I was looking at a £40K MY05/06 997 C2S. In terms of total cost of ownership, the brand new Golf R and the used C2S would be about the same. C2S wins on depreciation, but Golf wins on running costs.
You warranty the C2S and use it 'properly' and the difference will be a somewhere between 3 times the amount, to 10 times the amount in running costs.
The depreciation does start to level it up a bit though...
Tough call.
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Yeah. I was looking at a £40K MY05/06 997 C2S. In terms of total cost of ownership, the brand new Golf R and the used C2S would be about the same. C2S wins on depreciation, but Golf wins on running costs.
You warranty the C2S and use it 'properly' and the difference will be a somewhere between 3 times the amount, to 10 times the amount in running costs.
The depreciation does start to level it up a bit though...
Tough call.
The Golf R is more practical too... so that sealed it. Wife called the Golf R a "cheapskate's Porsche". She's probably right!
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Apples and oranges mate. With the Golf R you getting brand new car... associated peace of mind... etc... etc...
But, have to admit, £33-4K is ALOT for just a Golf.
I'm with you...
With the new Golf you are buying cheap running costs - often a fraction of what it'll cost you to run and maintain those mentioned above.
A car that cost £60-100k new still has £60-100k running costs, even if you only paid £30k for it.
What's a Golf going to cost over it's 3 warrantied years?
£250 for the service pack, a pair of front tyres and petrol at 30 MPG.
Try a similar deal in an M5/996TT...£3000-4000 per year and 18MPG?
The dream may look good...the reality is somewhat different.
If you have more than £30k to buy a car i expect you will have enough to run the aforementioned. I could run an RS4 (if i wasnt buying a bloody house lol)
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I have 4wd but its still based on a car designed to ferry the family round and pick up the shopping!
An RS4 isnt a tweeked shopping cart, more a tweeked rep mobile.
Something like a porsche or a ferrari is what you could not say 'just a ferrari', but a golf, no matter how fast or with what engine is a golf!
You completely ignored what I said and went straight back to the speed debate. Name me a standard golf with 4wd, the plush interior and the looks of a gti. You should be able to as they are just golfs.
Its just a golf with 4wd, regardless of what it has (fwd, rwd or 4wd, 3.2 V6 or 1.2 diesel) its just a golf, albeit with something different.
My R32 is just a golf, a special one, but just a golf!
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I have 4wd but its still based on a car designed to ferry the family round and pick up the shopping!
An RS4 isnt a tweeked shopping cart, more a tweeked rep mobile.
Something like a porsche or a ferrari is what you could not say 'just a ferrari', but a golf, no matter how fast or with what engine is a golf!
You completely ignored what I said and went straight back to the speed debate. Name me a standard golf with 4wd, the plush interior and the looks of a gti. You should be able to as they are just golfs.
Its just a golf with 4wd, regardless of what it has (fwd, rwd or 4wd, 3.2 V6 or 1.2 diesel) its just a golf, albeit with something different.
My R32 is just a golf, a special one, but just a golf!
Your getting there, now its a golf with 4wd lol if you read my other stuff you'll add lots more on too and pretty soon it wont be a golf at all. :grin: Seriously though, when most people say 'its just a golf' its very easy to pick it up as your buying a run of the mill car, which is what the golf is excluding the top range models. I would never say buying a car specc'd up to £30k or there abouts for a GTI or more for the R is something 'normal' but maybe I'm picking it up wrong. If it were me, I'd say its a Golf. I would never say 'It's just a Golf. I just couldnt discredit the car that way, but as I say maybe I'm reading it all wrong.
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Jules, when people ask you what you drive do you say R32 or Golf ?
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Jules, when people ask you what you drive do you say R32 or Golf ?
A Golf R32 :evil:
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A golf R32, most people dont know what an R32 is though so you have to explain (which puts it well up there in uncool on the cool wall)
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lol true:D
I go with just Golf, if people really give a toss they can ask which one.
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Its great seeing peoples reaction when you tell them its 3.2 V6 hatchback with 4wd. Took my mate in it the other week for the first time (not into cars) and he could not believe it, was raining and he couldnt work out why we were going so quickly :laugh:
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None of my mates are really into cars and it didnt really work as well as I thought it would with the birds as they think its just a Golf.
Fook the lot of em, cvnts lol :D
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If you have more than £30k to buy a car i expect you will have enough to run the aforementioned. I could run an RS4 (if i wasnt buying a bloody house lol)
I'm not sure it's that straight forward...
I know a few people who have bought £50-80k cars, used, and almost bankrupted themselves keeping them on the road, because they just didn't appreciate how expensive parts can be without a water-tight (read: very expensive) warranty.
M3 lower arms @ £850 each.
996 gearbox @ £10,000
996 short engine @ £16,000
Taking the hit is fine...but if you have other commitments too (house, kids etc) and need the car to get to work in order to make money...it can get a bit fraught when it breaks.
Sadly, all sense and reason goes out of the window when people buy an expensive car, cheap.
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We went through this with the whole 'GTI isn't a shpooing car...oh yes it is' thread...at the end of the day, it's a golf.
Regardless of the engine size, spec or cost, it's the same basic car as a 1.6.
Tart it up however you like...but it is.
Personally, I have no issue with that, because being only a 'Golf' brings with it low insurance, build quality, reliability, practicality and relative anonymity etc...
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Good News, this hasnt dented the R32 (mk5) depreciation! According to Glass's guide its up between £575 and £750! Get in.
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Taking the hit is fine...but if you have other commitments too (house, kids etc) and need the car to get to work in order to make money...it can get a bit fraught when it breaks.
Sadly, all sense and reason goes out of the window when people buy an expensive car, cheap.
Ha ... spot on Ess_Three! I think we're both a bit older (wiser?) than some of the young scamps on here.
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:rolleyes:
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Ha ... spot on Ess_Three! I think we're both a bit older (wiser?) than some of the young scamps on here.
Probably so.
I have huge periods of my life missing - usually round about the time I've either bought a very silly car, or sold on at a stomach churning loss - both things I then blank out and forget.
One thing that springs to mind is that the grass is always greener...there is no such thing as the perfect car.
You pays your money...and makes your choice.
If it's a wrong choice, live with it and move on.
Life is too short...
I doubt anyone who buys an R will be upset...but there again, if you bought an M5, RS4 or 996 instead...I doubt you'd be too upset about that either.
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Good News, this hasnt dented the R32 (mk5) depreciation! According to Glass's guide its up between £575 and £750! Get in.
Yeah, that's due to the shortage of used cars at the moment, according to CAP. The R wouldn't start affecting residual values until it's been on the forecourt a few months atleast.
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I cant see it touching the mk4 and mk5 R32's though, its too much of a different car.
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I cant see it touching the mk4 and mk5 R32's though, its too much of a different car.
It will eventually - though not until Mk6 Rs start appearing on the used market. And probably not too much due to the lack of V6.
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More pics, guys : - Gallery of R20 pics on VWvortex.... (http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Volkswagen/Golf%20-%20GTI%20-%20Rabbit/Golf%20VI/Golf%20R)
:afro:
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I think I like the split exhausts like the GTI more than the dual centered ones of the R20... What do you think, folks?
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I think I like the split exhausts like the GTI more than the dual centered ones of the R20... What do you think, folks?
Like the R20 but prefer the GTI, at least they are different so we can tell the difference from a distance.
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Prefer the R20Ts exhaust to the GTI.
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I think I like the split exhausts like the GTI more than the dual centered ones of the R20... What do you think, folks?
yup, i prefer the GTI's exhausts as well
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Prefer the R20Ts exhaust to the GTI.
Although I like the R32 exhausts. I think the MkV's rear looks better for the centred exhausts compared to the MkVIs.
HM
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I think I like the split exhausts like the GTI more than the dual centered ones of the R20... What do you think, folks?
I would've preferred the same set-up as on the Scirocco R, with wide-spaced oval tips. I guess that was too similar to the GTI though.
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Does anyone know if this engine will require super unleaded for optimum performance, or is it like the new GTI - set up for 95 octane?
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Hmm I would definately have one of those!!! but at the price thats being quoted.... I would have to think long and hard about putting that kind of money into a car.
Especially when you can pick up a nice S3 for £17k(?).. essentially the same car!
Oh who am I kidding.. I will defo be getting one in a couple of years time :grin:
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Internal VW Press release, for anyone who hasn't read it yet:
15 Sep 09
1157-09
The most powerful and fastest-accelerating Golf ever produced – the Golf R – has been unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show. Developed by Volkswagen Individual, the special projects wing of Volkswagen, and following on from the Mk4 and Mk5 Golf R32 models, the four-wheel-drive Golf R is equipped with a 2.0-litre TSI four-cylinder engine developing 270PS.
New engine
Not only is the new engine 35kg lighter and 20PS more powerful than the 3.2-litre V6 found in the outgoing Golf R32, it’s also more efficient. Economy rises from a combined 26.4mpg to 33.2mpg while CO2 emissions fall from 257g/km to 199g/km. Despite the gains in efficiency, the Golf R is faster and sharper than ever – the new car can accelerate from rest to 62mph in just 5.7 seconds. Equipped with a six-speed DSG gearbox, this figure falls to 5.5 seconds. The top speed is limited to 155mph.
The 1,984cc, four-cylinder EA113 engine (as opposed to the EA888 fitted to the current Golf GTI) is derived from the Mk5 Golf GTI. To extract the extra power the block has been reinforced with an entirely new alloy head, uprated pistons, conrods and high-pressure injectors. An uprated turbocharger generates 1.2 bar of boost and a new intercooler helps the engine cope with the extra heat generated. The result is 270PS developed at 6,000rpm and 258 lbs ft of torque at 2,500rpm.
Safety
The powerful new Golf R has new 345mm diameter front brake discs (rear: 310 mm) and callipers. The uprated suspension has been lowered by 25mm with revised spring and damper rates, and there are new anti-roll bars. The Electronic Stabilisation Programme (ESP) has been revised with two stages designed for track use, and the electro-mechanical power steering system has been tweaked to sharpen its response.
Four-wheel drive
Unlike the four-wheel-drive system fitted to the R32, which relied on differing wheel speeds between the front and rear axles, the Golf R uses a pre-charged hydraulic system that reacts quicker and reduces wheelspin by limiting the torque channelled through either axle. In extreme cases, up to 100 per cent of the torque can be channelled to the rear wheels if required.
Exterior style
To set the Golf R apart from a conventional Golf or GTI it’s fitted with new front and rear bumpers with LED running lights at the front and a gloss black diffuser at the rear, which houses a pair of central exhausts. The new car is fitted with Xenon headlights, a new black grille, wing mirrors and a set of sill extensions. The Golf R is fitted with 18-inch five-spoke wheels with 225/40 tyres as standard – 19-inch wheels with 235/35 tyres are optional. At the back, unique rear light units lend the Golf R an aggressive look – the high-intensity LED bulbs are hidden behind smoked lenses.
Interior style
The Golf R has a set of distinctive aluminium ‘R’ kick plates, and new seats finished in grey Alcantara and contrasting high-grip black mesh cloth. Gloss-black highlights throughout the interior are complemented by the subtle, electric-blue needles in the revised instrument column.
The new Golf R is set to arrive in the UK in December. Prices and specification will be announced nearer the time.
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Where the hell can you get a new shape 09 model unregistered S3 for 17k?
Dave
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Where the hell can you get a new shape 09 model unregistered S3 for 17k?
Dave
Dream land I guess. Who said anything about new?? :huh:
My point was that essentially the exact same car is already available.. i.e. S3 for 10-15k less albeit used. :embarassed:
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I think as an overall package VW have got it just about spot on.If it's as expensive as currently being muted i'll have to settle for a manual with the standard seats(which look pretty good anyway).Standard xenons a big bonus,and i suppose 19" wheels will look much better,so that would have to be ticked!
Horses for courses as has been said earlier,but personally i cant wait to get my mitts on one!
Had pictured 'mine' in Shadow blue but the Frankfurt car looks awesome in that lighter shade.
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Ill take an R32 and a supercharger, pay off some mortgage and go on holiday
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Ill take an R32 and a supercharger, pay off some mortgage and go on holiday
I'll second that :cool:
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On a cost note have a think on this.
In 1989 a MKII Golf G60 limited (charged and AWD) was £25,000 and a MKII 16v was around £13,000.
Inflation adjusted the Limited would be £40,000 and the 16v GTI approx £21,000 today on a VW forecourt.
Nick
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The new Golf R is set to arrive in the UK in December. Prices and specification will be announced nearer the time.
My dealer actually phoned me this evening (about 7pm!) and told me about this statement. He said he'd print out all the details he'd got and post them out to me - how good is that?! I've probably seen them all anyway - but can't fault the guys effort.
Anyway - due to arrive in December? I wonder how long we'll have to wait for proper prices and options? I want to see how much the spec I want would cost and whether its really feasible or not. Judging by the GTI's option list, I'd have about £3k of options - plus I'd retrofit an RNS-510 + bluetooth (another £1k for both hopefully!) which would make it about £32.5k.
Seems steep since I can get an S3 fully loaded for about £31k with recaro's! Shame the S3 is fugly!
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Its starting to look like silly money for what it is, I think I would rather have the S3 with a few less options. I was waiting to see what the R was like and it does not really impress me, maybe when I see it, that might change. I am now looking at paying a little bit extra and getting the Audi TTS, it seems good value next to the Golf R.
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I am now looking at paying a little bit extra and getting the Audi TTS, it seems good value next to the Golf R.
Nice car... I test drove one a couple of months ago. I intended buying an S3, but tried the TTS to have a shot of a S-tronic gearbox. It handled brilliantly and was lightning quick - especially with the S-tronic. Unfortunately its totally impractical for my needs... I'd never get my golf clubs or snowboard in it!!
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Im not surprised theres no 4wd, ive been saying for ages there is no chance :cry:
It just wont be 4wd
According to Autocar article posted in the one eight turbo website, the R20 will be a AWD...
Autocar are as believable as the pope :laugh:
Yep. They are all presuming its 4wd because its an R model. There is not a single amount of evidence to suggest 4wd yet all the dealers are saying its FWD :undecided:
Btw, it's 4wd :wink:
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Im not surprised theres no 4wd, ive been saying for ages there is no chance :cry:
It just wont be 4wd
According to Autocar article posted in the one eight turbo website, the R20 will be a AWD...
Autocar are as believable as the pope :laugh:
Yep. They are all presuming its 4wd because its an R model. There is not a single amount of evidence to suggest 4wd yet all the dealers are saying its FWD :undecided:
Btw, it's 4wd :wink:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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Unfortunately its totally impractical for my needs... I'd never get my golf clubs in it!!
That would be a huge plus point for me! :evil:
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You could wait for one of these... :evil:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/Audi-RS3-2010-spy-photos/
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You could wait for one of these... :evil:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/Audi-RS3-2010-spy-photos/
Ooh...
More nose weight and more power makes for another understeering, dull (but fast) Audi?
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You could wait for one of these... :evil:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/Audi-RS3-2010-spy-photos/
Ooh...
More nose weight and more power makes for another understeering, dull (but fast) Audi?
Exactly and lets be honest... it looks a bit pants :undecided:
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Looks like some lucky people could be getting a nice Christmans present:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/179
The new Golf R is set to arrive in the UK in December. Prices and specification will be announced nearer the time.
:grin:
Do you think that means delivery in December? Or orders taken in December?
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Looks like some lucky people could be getting a nice Christmans present:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/179
The new Golf R is set to arrive in the UK in December. Prices and specification will be announced nearer the time.
:grin:
Do you think that means delivery in December? Or orders taken in December?
Orders.
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Looks like some lucky people could be getting a nice Christmans present:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/179
The new Golf R is set to arrive in the UK in December. Prices and specification will be announced nearer the time.
:grin:
Do you think that means delivery in December? Or orders taken in December?
Orders.
Really?
Arrive:
"to come to a certain point in the course of travel; reach one's destination: He finally arrived in Rome. "
Order:
" a direction or commission to make, provide, or furnish something: The salesclerk will take your order. "
Nick
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Looks like some lucky people could be getting a nice Christmans present:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/179
The new Golf R is set to arrive in the UK in December. Prices and specification will be announced nearer the time.
:grin:
Do you think that means delivery in December? Or orders taken in December?
Orders.
Really?
Arrive:
"to come to a certain point in the course of travel; reach one's destination: He finally arrived in Rome. "
Order:
" a direction or commission to make, provide, or furnish something: The salesclerk will take your order. "
Nick
Hmmmm... I don't know. Gut feels says to me available to order in October for delivery in December. Have to wait and see I guess.
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I'd say it was orders too, you can barely get a GTI for December nevermind an R. No prices are released or extras prices and its not available on the VW configurator. If anyone gets an R for December I'll buy them it myself.
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I'd say it was orders too, you can barely get a GTI for December nevermind an R. No prices are released or extras prices and its not available on the VW configurator. If anyone gets an R for December I'll buy them it myself.
I'd like it in blue please... :grin:
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I'd say it was orders too, you can barely get a GTI for December nevermind an R. No prices are released or extras prices and its not available on the VW configurator. If anyone gets an R for December I'll buy them it myself.
I'd like it in blue please... :grin:
:grin: But if it doesnt come, you buy my GTI, deal ? :laugh:
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It says "arriving in December" not "taking orders in september" my vague grasp of the english language from living here all my life suggests that arriving means being here and ordering means available to order arriving sometime later.
nick
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Right just spoke to my local dealer. They expect orders to open in the next month and very early dealer demo cars and early orders to hit the road around Christmas.
It's goign to be a limited run model and that there will be an allocation of 500ish vehicles for 2010 and once those are ordered any other orders will be placed on a waiting list for th next batch of UK cars to be released.
Clearly this is not gospel and just what my dealer said and we all know how reliable they can be!
nick
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early orders to hit the road around Christmas.
Oooh, free R for me. Can I have the Recaros and Sat Nav and 19's and ACC too please? :smiley:
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So to spec it the same as my R and with the new 19s what you reckon price wise for a 3 manual door one?
My option list
- Leather seats (not recarros) - I assume leathers will therefore be heated as standard like the MK5
- Centre Armrest
- Cruise Control
- 19 inch wheel upgrade
- Privacy Glass
- Lux Pack
- Winter Pack
- Parking Sensors (Rear only)
I am sure thats 32k easy? :cry:
RNS510 I can fit myself and get off ebay or use my current one.
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at last vw have come up with a suitable UPGRADE for my ED30 :wink:
3dr Silver DSG with Recaro's for me, quick trip to REVO then find some Porkers to race :evil:
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at last vw have come up with a suitable UPGRADE for my ED30 :wink:
Quick trip to REVO then find some Porkers to race :evil:
Defo agree with that, well to my local remapper anyways!!! She gonna be one quick beast in the wet.
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So, sounds like there are going to be a few nicely maintained, enthusiast-owned R32's and Ed30's on the forecourts next year...
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So, sounds like there are going to be a few nicely maintained, enthusiast-owned R32's and Ed30's on the forecourts next year...
along with a load of low mileage mk6 gti's :grin:
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So, sounds like there are going to be a few nicely maintained, enthusiast-owned R32's and Ed30's on the forecourts next year...
No chance I am parting with my R32!! Its a keeper forever now with the V6 gone, only way I can ever afford this new R will be about a 2 year old one and then give the R32 to the wife (sorry my second car then) but Ill tell her it is 'hers' so I can have both.... :laugh:
My spec above was just to try consider how high the price would be if I were able to buy it new this year, no way I could afford that at the moment.
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Just got this month's Car magazine in the post.There's a good 4-5 page article on the Golf R(it seems this is the official model designation,not R20T or R20).
In the article it says the 19" wheel upgrade is only £300,bargain if it is correct.Recaros however are £2000+ again,not such a bargain!
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So, assuming the car is £28,500 and the options are per the existing price list:
- Leather seats (not recarros) - £1730
- Centre Armrest - standard
- Cruise Control - £210
- 19 inch wheel upgrade - £300 (as above)
- Privacy Glass - standard
- Lux Pack - £120
- Winter Pack - £245
- Parking Sensors (Rear only) - they come fitted F & R - £400
Synnea, your R will cost £31505... +£410 for metallic paint
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Keyless ignition?
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/16-vw-golf-r20-live.jpg)
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Here's mine (based on info above and GTI option prices):
Golf R base price £28,500.00
5 door £500.00
DSG £1,300.00
19" alloys £300.00
Metallic paint £410.00
Leather £1,700.00
Sat nav £1,600.00
Cruise control £210.00
Park assist + rear camera £630.00
Luxury pack £120.00
Winter pack £245.00
AAC £730.00
Fixed service pack £250.00
TOTAL COST £36,495.00
:shocked:
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The current GTI is £23K in 3 door manual form. I don't see how they can justify £28.5K for an R 3 door manual based on that.
I would say (hope) £25.5K is a more realistic figure.
We shall see. :undecided:
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Take a look at this Mk5 price list:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/pricelists/golf-pricelist.pdf
Mk5 GTI 3 door manual was £21,265
Mk5 R32 3 door manual was £22,855
So R32 has 7.5% premium over GTI.
Mk6 GTI 3 door manual is £23,015
Mk6 R 3 door manual is £23,015 + 7.5% (£1,726.13) = £24,751.13
Can't see how they can justify £28,500!
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Keyless ignition?
Well spotted!!
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Keyless ignition?
Well spotted!!
I know we are getting excitied over this but i used to have a company car megane about 5yrs ago that had this :shocked:
Welcome to the party VW!! :cool:
TBH the only thing that would make me swap an R32 or mk6 GTI is the 4WD. Since a GTI can be remapped to 270bhp for £500 I think that would be the better option for anyone not living anywhere as wet as the UK. Think I am going to sit tight on this one and wait for the anniversary model to appear :nerd:
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Im not surprised theres no 4wd, ive been saying for ages there is no chance :cry:
It just wont be 4wd
According to Autocar article posted in the one eight turbo website, the R20 will be a AWD...
Autocar are as believable as the pope :laugh:
Yep. They are all presuming its 4wd because its an R model. There is not a single amount of evidence to suggest 4wd yet all the dealers are saying its FWD :undecided:
Btw, it's 4wd :wink:
Couldnt be happier to be wrong mate! You missed out the quotes where i said i hope im wrong :wink: