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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Snoopy on 16 August 2009, 16:39
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Xenons worth £1025 your views please?
All i need to do now before my car is locked is workout if Xenons are worth it lol.
As i keep worrying about the long term reliability of them since they swivel (will own this car prob ~10years!).
The standard lights DRL standout more than the xenons little triangle DRLs and with drivers round here that could be a good thing lol.
At £1025 im beggining to think are they really worth it for how i use the car and i wondering how good or bad the standard lights are?
Youtube vidio of xenons
http://www.youtube.com/user/tuttlinger88#play/favorites/1/pcjfZeJeFJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0418EkryrY
Your views please.
Thank you
Geoff.
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i dont think it is worth 1025quid to have xenons
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with a discount, should be 900 odd quid, still pricy, but the enhanced looks, non-yellow DRLs and clarity at night make it worth it for me (just).
its a fine call though. don't forget that new bulbs will cost loads as well if you're keeping it long. that said, if you're keeping the car long, whats £1k over 10 years?
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I would say if you do a lot of driving out in the countryside (at night :wink:) its worth it. If you are based in a town then they are just for show more than functionality.
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IMO if you can afford them, xenons are nice to have. But if you feel you want to spend your money elsewhere, then do so as the standard lamps are well adequate to cope in any case, unless you are partially blind when driving at night, haw haw haw.
HM
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I suppose its simply a matter of, if you want them they are worth it. If you ask someone else thats not too fussed they will probably stall at the price. I know the past 2 dealers I talked to said they couldnt believe the price of them.
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xenons - yes. at any price.
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If they werent std on my car I probably wouldnt have bothered... it just depends if you have an extra £1k burning a hole in your pocket :smug:
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let's face it, if we were that worried about cost, we'd be buying MkV GTIs!
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let's face it, if we were that worried about cost, we'd be buying MkV GTIs!
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I agree with you but dont forget sometimes we need to convince the better half about why we are paying a thousand quid to get something that does 'slightly' (word actually used by better half) better than the standard headlights. And ah other than it being looking good... I had ah nothing to really justify the cost. heh heh heh...
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let's face it, if we were that worried about cost, we'd be buying MkV GTIs!
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I agree with you but dont forget sometimes we need to convince the better half about why we are paying a thousand quid to get something that does 'slightly' (word actually used by better half) better than the standard headlights. And ah other than it being looking good... I had ah nothing to really justify the cost. heh heh heh...
hehe - luckily my better half doesn't ask too much about what is optional, what's not, and what the cost is. she was mainly concerned about the colour :)
(hopefully) she doesn't read forums either!
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For what it's worth Snoopy, I'd say get the Xenons.
They give a brighter whiter light, look cooler, and in my opinion they just finish the front of the car off and give it some more 'presence' :smiley:
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ha ha ha my better half not only reads the brochure but also is an mechanical engineer... makes me wonder why I am in this forum and not her... ha ha ha... she keeps saying the xenon is fine and dandy but the thousand quid can be used to get other useful things like <cough> <cough> clothes <cough> jewellery <cough>
She drives a Mercedes SLK manual and told me to forget DSG as well... I was contemplating about it but decided to get the manual instead since she wanted me to exercise... haw haw haw... and of course save some more funds... ha ha ha yup coming from someone who has a Mercedes!!!
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ha ha ha my better half not only reads the brochure but also is an mechanical engineer... makes me wonder why I am in this forum and not her... ha ha ha... she keeps saying the xenon is fine and dandy but the thousand quid can be used to get other useful things like <cough> <cough> clothes <cough> jewellery <cough>
She drives a Mercedes SLK manual and told me to forget DSG as well... I was contemplating about it but decided to get the manual instead since she wanted me to exercise... haw haw haw... and of course save some more funds... ha ha ha yup coming from someone who has a Mercedes!!!
xenons are jewelery for the car! bling bling!
(unless she's your girlfriend and she's referring to diamond rings!)
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ha ha ha yeah xenons are jewellery.... hmmmm why didnt I think of it... jeeez she just commented that the car is for a jock and not for a woman... so why do I need it to look bling bling... I am no rapper either... sigh... Keelaw, looks like its gonna be a long night for me...
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ha ha ha yeah xenons are jewellery.... hmmmm why didnt I think of it... jeeez she just commented that the car is for a jock and not for a woman... so why do I need it to look bling bling... I am no rapper either... sigh... Keelaw, looks like its gonna be a long night for me...
quick! comment on how nice her hair looks today! :grin: :grin:
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too late!! she read ur reply... and says we men are pathetic trying to seek acceptance on forums about inanimate objects... says we are over-compensating again... ha ha ha
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too late!! she read ur reply... and says we men are pathetic trying to seek acceptance on forums about inanimate objects... says we are over-compensating again... ha ha ha
She is, of course, correct...
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too late!! she read ur reply... and says we men are pathetic trying to seek acceptance on forums about inanimate objects... says we are over-compensating again... ha ha ha
its our way of communicating i guess. better to be on a forum than down in a pub drinking! or racking up huge telephone bills!!
and yes, women are always correct..... (until they've gone to bed that is!)
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Doesnt sound worth it to me, for headlights. Honestly, they're just lights, all cars come with headlights as standard and they have to pass certain tests. VW are just profiteering with these Xenon lights. Like they do on a lot of things actually.
Think about it this way - is your car going to depreciate any more without them? I'd say no. In fact probably the opposite.
But, if you've got money to burn...
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If you have Xenon in your car before, you will regret not to spec this option on your new car.
I think its scandalous for VW charging this sort of money for a family hatch.
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I agree with you herbie911 about VW charging so much for xenons... and I have driven in cars with xenons... its fantastic when driving in the countryside in Europe... when you driving alone, I swear it feels like you can light up all the way to the moon. But with the cost factor and all, I guess if you have cash to burn, its a great accessory...
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My reckoning is you have already made your mind up but just want it to be justified, which we all do :smiley:
Go for it as you will only regret it if you don't!!
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If you have Xenon in your car before, you will regret not to spec this option on your new car.
I think its scandalous for VW charging this sort of money for a family hatch.
A family hatch ? Is that what you think the GTI is ?
If I walk into a VW dealer my opinion is that the GTI would be the last car they would show you if you asked for a family hatchback. I'm pretty sure they would show the standard Golf.
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A family hatch ? Is that what you think the GTI is ?
If I walk into a VW dealer my opinion is that the GTI would be the last car they would show you if you asked for a family hatchback. I'm pretty sure they would show the standard Golf.
What else is it then?
It is exactly that...a Golf. Albeit a quick, nimble, reasonably fun Golf...but a Golf none the less.
It's not a Sportscar, small Citycar, posibg chariot...it's a family hatch.
That fact doesn't put me off buying one...but I also can't escape exactly what it is...a family hatchback. Practical, comfortable, refined, and able to transport my family.
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If you have Xenon in your car before, you will regret not to spec this option on your new car.
I think its scandalous for VW charging this sort of money for a family hatch.
A family hatch ? Is that what you think the GTI is ?
If I walk into a VW dealer my opinion is that the GTI would be the last car they would show you if you asked for a family hatchback. I'm pretty sure they would show the standard Golf.
It is a family hatch. They've just made it sportier by giving it a nippy engine and fitting some body styling etc.
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If you have Xenon in your car before, you will regret not to spec this option on your new car.
I think its scandalous for VW charging this sort of money for a family hatch.
A family hatch ? Is that what you think the GTI is ?
If I walk into a VW dealer my opinion is that the GTI would be the last car they would show you if you asked for a family hatchback. I'm pretty sure they would show the standard Golf.
It is a family hatch. They've just made it sportier by giving it a nippy engine and fitting some body styling etc.
Focus RS should be a family hatch by that definition too then ?
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A family hatch ? Is that what you think the GTI is ?
If I walk into a VW dealer my opinion is that the GTI would be the last car they would show you if you asked for a family hatchback. I'm pretty sure they would show the standard Golf.
What else is it then?
It is exactly that...a Golf. Albeit a quick, nimble, reasonably fun Golf...but a Golf none the less.
It's not a Sportscar, small Citycar, posibg chariot...it's a family hatch.
That fact doesn't put me off buying one...but I also can't escape exactly what it is...a family hatchback. Practical, comfortable, refined, and able to transport my family.
Have I got a camera on me, is this a wind up ? The GTI is not a sports car ?
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to be a family hatch it needs to have 5 doors imo and no loss of luggage space or seats compared to its lesser brethren.
golf gti is a "hot family" hatch. R32 is pushing it, since it loses boot space due to 4WD hardware.
focus RS, R26R are 3 door only so not v. family friendly.... hence hot hatches only
other "hot family" hatches are: mazda 3 mps, leon cupra, bmw 130i (tho tiny interior), octavia vrS
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/205050/family_hatchbacks.html
https://www.autobytel.co.uk/SpecialLandingPage.aspx?publisher_id=lp&page=buy-best-new-used-small-family-diesel-sports-hatchback-cars
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/204819/family_hatchbacks.html
http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/search?dimensionIds=368&dimensionIds=315
There's some family hatchbacks, you would think with the GTI being voted the best in the world and car of the year in one place, it would at least get one mention in there.
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I'm off to bed......
As family hatchback :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: f**k me.
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Focus RS should be a family hatch by that definition too then ?
It is.
A 'Hot' one perhaps, but a family hatch none the less.
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/205050/family_hatchbacks.html
https://www.autobytel.co.uk/SpecialLandingPage.aspx?publisher_id=lp&page=buy-best-new-used-small-family-diesel-sports-hatchback-cars
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/204819/family_hatchbacks.html
http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/search?dimensionIds=368&dimensionIds=315
There's some family hatchbacks, you would think with the GTI being voted the best in the world and car of the year in one place, it would at least get one mention in there.
It's a hot family hatch. Use your head, the basic car is a family hatch with some stuff to make it faster. As opposed to a Porche Cayman or a Nissan 370Z or an Audi TT which are not family hatches but sports coupes. Jeez.
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Have I got a camera on me, is this a wind up ? The GTI is not a sports car ?
Jesus wept...you must have a pretty poor understanding of what a Sports Car is, if you think a mass produced, FWD Golf is one.
It's not.
It's a damn fine car for sure...but a Sports Car?
What have you been smoking/drinking?
A Porsche 911 is a Sports Car, or a AM Vantage, or a silly TVR of some sort...even a GTR. An Elise/Exige...they are, even some form of Caterfield thingy.
But a tarted up family FWD hatch that rolled off Wolfsburgs production line along with the 'cooking' models?
Nope. Sorry...not to me it's not.
I'll still buy a Mk6 GTI (and probably pay for Xenons) but I'll not have any hint of a pretense that its a 'Sports Car'...or any delusion of grandeur that it's in any way above what it actually is: A well specced, neatly handling and reasonably quick Golf. Because thats EXACTLY what it is...and the reason I want one.
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to be a family hatch it needs to have 5 doors imo and no loss of luggage space or seats compared to its lesser brethren.
golf gti is a "hot family" hatch. R32 is pushing it, since it loses boot space due to 4WD hardware.
focus RS, R26R are 3 door only so not v. family friendly.... hence hot hatches only
other "hot family" hatches are: mazda 3 mps, leon cupra, bmw 130i (tho tiny interior), octavia vrS
They are all family hatches to me...just because there are only two of you in the family, and you choose 3 doors, doesn't impact on the definition of the car.
All the above are in the same 'class' - 'class' being family compatible, practical, comfortable, usable every day, hatchbacks.
So is the Audi A3 - and S3 (despite S3 owners thinking they hold some form of automotive enigma)...
R32 is too.
3 or 5 doors only adds to the practicality...and it's the owners choice.
But they are all family hatches - some better than others...and some worse than others (R26R as an everyday car...with all the scaffolding in the back? Hmm)
The main point is that NONE of them are Sports Cars. Never have been...never will be.
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Beaten to it by others...always the bridesmaid...
In my opinion (and that of others it seems) the Mk6 Golf GTI is a fine, fine car...brilliant at some things...but it isn't and never will be anything other than a premium family hatchback - certainly not a Sports Car.
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Sorry if I use the wrong word to describe the GTi. GTI is a 100% 'HOT' hatch! IT INVENTED THIS CLASS OF CAR ALL THE WAY BACK IN 1976! (Hope I got the year right!)
Interesting discussion here. What is a sportscar?
In my opinion, not even a normal 911 can be classed as a 100% sportscar
Its more like a sports coupe. The GT2, GT3 and GT3RS are the only genuine no compromised sports 911.
How about those ultrafast saloons---C63AMG, RS6 and M3. We call them sports saloon.
The RS6 might have more power than a V8 R8 but R8 is the sportscar while the RS6 is a saloon with supercar performance!
More and more car owners want a bit more luxury and practicality in a performance car which blur the boundary between grand tourer and sportscar!
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hmmm have you guys and gals noticed that cars that have more of a blue tint for their headlamps causes visibility to be not as good as with the yellow ones? Its not that the blue ones lack power but more that it blends into the night. Or is it just me?
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Have I got a camera on me, is this a wind up ? The GTI is not a sports car ?
Jesus wept...you must have a pretty poor understanding of what a Sports Car is, if you think a mass produced, FWD Golf is one.
It's not.
It's a damn fine car for sure...but a Sports Car?
What have you been smoking/drinking?
A Porsche 911 is a Sports Car, or a AM Vantage, or a silly TVR of some sort...even a GTR. An Elise/Exige...they are, even some form of Caterfield thingy.
But a tarted up family FWD hatch that rolled off Wolfsburgs production line along with the 'cooking' models?
Nope. Sorry...not to me it's not.
I'll still buy a Mk6 GTI (and probably pay for Xenons) but I'll not have any hint of a pretense that its a 'Sports Car'...or any delusion of grandeur that it's in any way above what it actually is: A well specced, neatly handling and reasonably quick Golf. Because thats EXACTLY what it is...and the reason I want one.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products13.html
http://www.ausmotive.com/2009/03/24/2009-mk6-golf-gti-image-gallery.html
Just because you dont think it is, doesnt mean its not. f**k you even think its a family hatchback :laugh: :laugh: While I will conceed that 'sports car' can be a marketing phrase to help sell a car, the GTI is not in this bracket in the slightest, it doesnt need any marketing ploy to sell it. You'll still buy a GTI with Xenons ? After the pish I've just read, you dont deserve one.
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Beaten to it by others...always the bridesmaid...
but it isn't and never will be anything other than a premium family hatchback
what a load of b0llocks. a family hatchback is a 'normal' golf. a family car is a picasso. a golf gti is not a family car. it may do the 'family' thing but its certainly not its primary concern. yes, its not a porsche granted. but its not a family car either. its certainly more sporty than most things on the road. i agree with vwkev - you're talking pish.
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i will be ordering xenons for my fast family hatch (replacing a 5dr Impreza WRX which was one too). i don't think sportscars come with an option of rear air bags?
i certainly don't think they are worth it for a grand, but it's a reasonable price to pay considering i'll be keeping the car for 6 years ish, and am going for pretty much everything else too. they look cool even if they will result in me getting flashed
I draw the line at the satnav & uprated speakers- £2k for something that is done better by a £400 tomtom?
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iI draw the line at the satnav - £2k for something that is done better by a £400 tomtom?
agreed. its a waste of money. i have been advised on 3 seperate occasions by different dealers over the years that a tom tom is superior and that the factory fitted sat nav is a load of old sh1te.
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iI draw the line at the satnav - £2k for something that is done better by a £400 tomtom?
agreed. its a waste of money. i have been advised on 3 seperate occasions by different dealers over the years that a tom tom is superior and that the factory fitted sat nav is a load of old sh1te.
What they mean is that the sat nav is not worth 2k. You just have to trust me when I say the RNS510 is 10x better than a tomtom. Apart from the 5 digit postcode search... the tomtom doesnt even come close.
But i guess if you like circular suction markes all over your sceen and your glove box broken into on a regular occassion then go for the tomtom.
p.s The RNS510 can be had off ebay for about £800 fitted :wink:
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iI draw the line at the satnav - £2k for something that is done better by a £400 tomtom?
agreed. its a waste of money. i have been advised on 3 seperate occasions by different dealers over the years that a tom tom is superior and that the factory fitted sat nav is a load of old sh1te.
What they mean is that the sat nav is not worth 2k. You just have to trust me when I say the RNS510 is 10x better than a tomtom. Apart from the 5 digit postcode search... the tomtom doesnt even come close.
But i guess if you like circular suction markes all over your sceen and your glove box broken into on a regular occassion then go for the tomtom.
p.s The RNS510 can be had off ebay for about £800 fitted :wink:
This isnt the case. I have a cunning way of using my TomTom in the MK5 which I will post up later when I get home, I think once you all see those with MK5 / 6 and TomToms will use this method from now on ;)
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iI draw the line at the satnav - £2k for something that is done better by a £400 tomtom?
agreed. its a waste of money. i have been advised on 3 seperate occasions by different dealers over the years that a tom tom is superior and that the factory fitted sat nav is a load of old sh1te.
What they mean is that the sat nav is not worth 2k. You just have to trust me when I say the RNS510 is 10x better than a tomtom. Apart from the 5 digit postcode search... the tomtom doesnt even come close.
But i guess if you like circular suction markes all over your sceen and your glove box broken into on a regular occassion then go for the tomtom.
p.s The RNS510 can be had off ebay for about £800 fitted :wink:
or, and call me crazy, you could print a map off the internet for free, then use these things called road signs along with your sense of direction, and save yourself the hassle/money! i only use my tom tom as a guide, and rarely use it anyway, otherwise you become too reliant on the computer telling you where to go. :cool:
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lol thats the worst argument against satnav I've EVER heard. Following a satnav is a thousand times easier than trying to look at a map, then read road signs and then the map all whilst driving in an area you don't know very well / at all.
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no its not lol! if you have a decent sense of direction and you have looked at a map previously (not while you're driving) then you shouldn't have a problem! in that case everyone got lost before the invention of the tom tom! :laugh:
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Well TomTom will have their kit for the iphone available soon so I reckon that will make a lot of folks think twice about a factory fit satnav.
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Although the map argument is a good one (albeit a dated one) I have used this method many times in the past and its worked relatively ok. However I usually use my sat nav at short notice i.e. on the move, so printing out the map would be almost impossible.
I also think we are overlooking the fact that the 510 has a 30gb internal hd, a 2gb sd card slot, and makes the interior look much better than other cars priced above the Golf!! I just wouldnt pay full whack for it thats all :wink:
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i dont have the sat nav in my mk6 but have the 510 in as i only use sat nav very occasionally and had a tomtom already so did not see the point
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But how is the argument about satnavs and the RCD510 convincing anyone to get the xenons or standard headlamps?Frankly I dont see the connection :laugh: ho ho ho
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Just because you dont think it is, doesnt mean its not. f**k you even think its a family hatchback :laugh: :laugh:
Which means you have a pretty poor understanding of what a 'Sports Car' is, if you thing a tarted up Golf fits the bill.
So be it...if you are happy thinking you drive a 'Sports Car' then go for your life...
I have a Sports Car...and want a sensible family hatch, to do the shopping run in, and ferry my family about in...so I'll buy a Golf GTI, because that's ecactly what a Golf GTI is.
The two are very different.
While I will conceed that 'sports car' can be a marketing phrase to help sell a car,
It's also a discrete type of car, different design beief, different ethos, different target market, different expectations...
Completely different to a pepped-up hatchback.
I've had GTI Golfs for years...I choose them over the competition for the type of car they are...but Sports Cars they are not.
If I want a Sports Car, I'll buy a proper Sports Car. When I want a decent family hatch...I'll buy a Golf/A3/S3.
the GTI is not in this bracket in the slightest, it doesnt need any marketing ploy to sell it.
I agree...it never has.
Sadly, many bought on badge alone...which is why the Mk3 8v or Mk4 was so dissapointing...but hey, it's a Golf GTI right? So it's uber impressive?
You'll still buy a GTI with Xenons ? After the pish I've just read, you dont deserve one.
Yeah, I will. Because it does exactly what I expect it to do...and not what it's not designed to do.
That's if you will let me?
Jesus, you really need to chill out...it's a bloody Golf you have.
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what a load of b0llocks. a family hatchback is a 'normal' golf. a family car is a picasso. a golf gti is not a family car. it may do the 'family' thing but its certainly not its primary concern. yes, its not a porsche granted. but its not a family car either. its certainly more sporty than most things on the road. i agree with vwkev - you're talking pish.
Then what exactly is it?
It's a souped up Golf. Nothing more.
A Golf GTI has been one of 'my' family cars for 13 years...am I going wrong somewhere?
It had 5 doors, a decent boot, reasonable handling, reasonable running costs, comfortable, practical...exactly what a family car should be - and is - for me.
So it's a family car.
You are right about it not being a Porsche...that's a Sports Car.
A Golf isn't a Sports Car.
It's a hatch...albeit a 'Hot' one.
More sporty than most things on the road?
Are you being serious?
It's not even more sporty than it's competition...
On this point I think it's you thats "talking pish".
Maybe you need to get out and drive more cars...?
It is a better car though, and the reason I'll buy one (that's if VWKev & VW let me).
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Just because you dont think it is, doesnt mean its not. f**k you even think its a family hatchback :laugh: :laugh:
Which means you have a pretty poor understanding of what a 'Sports Car' is, if you thing a tarted up Golf fits the bill.
So be it...if you are happy thinking you drive a 'Sports Car' then go for your life...
I have a Sports Car...and want a sensible family hatch, to do the shopping run in, and ferry my family about in...so I'll buy a Golf GTI, because that's ecactly what a Golf GTI is.
The two are very different.
While I will conceed that 'sports car' can be a marketing phrase to help sell a car,
It's also a discrete type of car, different design beief, different ethos, different target market, different expectations...
Completely different to a pepped-up hatchback.
I've had GTI Golfs for years...I choose them over the competition for the type of car they are...but Sports Cars they are not.
If I want a Sports Car, I'll buy a proper Sports Car. When I want a decent family hatch...I'll buy a Golf/A3/S3.
the GTI is not in this bracket in the slightest, it doesnt need any marketing ploy to sell it.
I agree...it never has.
Sadly, many bought on badge alone...which is why the Mk3 8v or Mk4 was so dissapointing...but hey, it's a Golf GTI right? So it's uber impressive?
You'll still buy a GTI with Xenons ? After the pish I've just read, you dont deserve one.
Yeah, I will. Because it does exactly what I expect it to do...and not what it's not designed to do.
That's if you will let me?
Jesus, you really need to chill out...it's a bloody Golf you have.
Your definition of a sports car is obviously different from others, so lets leave that one where it is, I get the feeling though your mistaking a sports car from a super car perhaps ?. I need to chill out ? Maybe so, but what do you expect when you come out with some ridiculous statements like the GTI is a family hatchback, and things like saying the GTI is a tarted up Golf and you want the GTI so you can have a sensible family hatchback to do the shopping in ? Come off it, your a wind up merchant.. If I didnt know any better that really does sound like someone who is having a pop at the car and completely degrading it. The GTI is iconic and the best all round hot hatch in the world. You'll do well to remember that and give it a little more respect.
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lol @ the mk6 section !
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lol @ the mk6 section !
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What do you think Alan, your GTI is tarted up and for doing the shopping run in and thats all a GTI is.
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Your definition of a sports car is obviously different from others, so lets leave that one where it is,
Fair play...maybe it is.
I own a 'Sports Car' and know it's polar opposite from my Golf.
I get the feeling though your mistaking a sports car from a super car perhaps ?.
No, Sports Car = Boxster/Cayman/911/Vantage etc...
None of them are Supercars.
I need to chill out ? Maybe so, but what do you expect when you come out with some ridiculous statements like the GTI is a family hatchback, and things like saying the GTI is a tarted up Golf and you want the GTI so you can have a sensible family hatchback to do the shopping in ? Come off it, your a wind up merchant..
I expect others to have a similar point of view and not think the Golf GTI is a mythical beast over and above what it is.
I've had 2 (still have one) along with other VAG hatches (Fabia vRS, Ibiza Cupra Sport, Lupo GTI etc) over the years...and they are all good cars...but they do what I wanted them to do...be the family car.
I'm not a wind up merchant at all...I fully intend to drop £29k into a red, 5 door GTI in the next couple of months...and have no doubt i'll be delighted with it, as it will do EXACTLY what I expect it to do. What it won't do, is replace a Sports Car. It's unfair to expect it to...it's not designed to.
But I am able to see, and be proud of the fact that a Golf GTI - regardless of the Mk - is just a pepped up standard Golf.
Of course it is...it's not a ground up, new design.
I have no problem with that...nor buying one knowing that.
If I didnt know any better that really does sound like someone who is having a pop at the car and completely degrading it. The GTI is iconic and the best all round hot hatch in the world. You'll do well to remember that and give it a little more respect.
Iconic?
It was...and came back for the Mk5...but the Mk3s Mk4s? Iconic? Come on...
Neither the Mk3 or Mk4 were the best anything (and this is from someone who has a Mk3 Anniversary tucked up in the garage)...but they were very far from iconic 13 years ago!
I'm not having a pop...I'm just being honest.
It is what it is...and that is why I'll buy one.
Not because I'm convincing myself it's anything else.
Respect? Are you for real?
For offering an opinion?
I've been buying Golfs since 1993....so I respect the car well enough to have bought them in the past, and to do so again now.
Doesn't mean I can't hold an opinion different to yours, does it?
I'll say agian....it's a brilliant car, and does exactly what it should. And for that reason I'll have one...but for that reason alone, Not because I am pretending it's something it's not.
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What do you think Alan, your GTI is tarted up and for doing the shopping run in and thats all a GTI is.
What else is it then Kev?
Why don't you englighten me to these basics I'm obviously missing, as my looking and test driving obviously has me at a loss?
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Its a little more than a family hatchback. Just.
Its a family hatch thats been made as sporty as you can make a family hatch within the limits of mass producing, reliability and affordability.
A sports car it is not.
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I just think you boys are taking the whole argument a bit too far hence my comment. What makes you think my GTI is for doing the shopping run? Its my daily motor that does about 15k a year. . Also thanks for commenting on my mods as tarted up, very polite of you sir :rolleyes:
As for the debate, I dont think the GTI is a "sports car" so to speak. I associate sports cars with S200s, NSXs etc etc. It is essentially a family hatch back, but its not really is it as it goes like stink and has a sport appearance and feel to it. Trying to place a hot hatch in a bracket of car is quite a tricky job.
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I expect others to have a similar point of view and not think the Golf GTI is a mythical beast over and above what it is.
I've had 2 (still have one) along with other VAG hatches (Fabia vRS, Ibiza Cupra Sport, Lupo GTI etc) over the years...and they are all good cars...but they do what I wanted them to do...be the family car.
I'm not a wind up merchant at all...I fully intend to drop £29k into a red, 5 door GTI in the next couple of months...and have no doubt i'll be delighted with it, as it will do EXACTLY what I expect it to do. What it won't do, is replace a Sports Car. It's unfair to expect it to...it's not designed to.
But I am able to see, and be proud of the fact that a Golf GTI - regardless of the Mk - is just a pepped up standard Golf.
Of course it is...it's not a ground up, new design.
I have no problem with that...nor buying one knowing that.
Exactly, they are what you want them to be and what they actually are, are very different.
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Soooooo ...... is that xenons or std then??? :grin:
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Exactly, they are what you want them to be and what they actually are, are very different.
Sigh...there is little point in flogging this dead horse.
I have no problem with modifications, or with the standard car (every car I've owned has ended up modified in some way) but it seems some people can't see the limitations their car has. I'm not trying to offend anyone who has modified their car...but in my mind, the GTI is simply a properly modified/fetteld/pepped up Golf. No more. That in its self is the exact reason I want one.
A GTI will do exactly what I want it to do, which will make me happy. Itwill do exactly what VW built it to do...be a great all rounder.
What it will never do however, is replace a sports Car.
...with Xenons! :grin:
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I wouldn't buy the car if i couldn't have xenons! an absolute must!
aside from the fact they provide really good visibility day and night, they transform the front end of the car massively!
i can't stand the standard lights compared to the look of the xenons!
DO IT!
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Back on topic at last.
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Exactly, they are what you want them to be and what they actually are, are very different.
Sigh...there is little point in flogging this dead horse.
I have no problem with modifications, or with the standard car (every car I've owned has ended up modified in some way) but it seems some people can't see the limitations their car has. I'm not trying to offend anyone who has modified their car...but in my mind, the GTI is simply a properly modified/fetteld/pepped up Golf. No more. That in its self is the exact reason I want one.
A GTI will do exactly what I want it to do, which will make me happy. Itwill do exactly what VW built it to do...be a great all rounder.
What it will never do however, is replace a sports Car.
...with Xenons! :grin:
To prevent any more off topicness :wink: I think this deserves its own thrread so will create a new one.
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To prevent any more off topicness :wink: I think this deserves its own thrread so will create a new one.
Good idea. :smiley:
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Jesus wept...you must have a pretty poor understanding of what a Sports Car is, if you think a mass produced, FWD Golf is one.
It's not.
I'd have agreed with you 100%. Except.
What Car? August 2009. We all remember that on page 54 the VW Golf GTi Mk VI won the "Hot Hatch Megatest". Did we also notice that on page 84, the third prize in the "Best Buy Sports Car" went to....
The VW Golf GTi Mk VI.
(First was the Nissan GT-R at £56,800 and second was the Ferrari 430 Scudera at £168,962.)
Rolfe.
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OK, OK, I'll take it to the other thread....
Rolfe.
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This isnt the case. I have a cunning way of using my TomTom in the MK5 which I will post up later when I get home, I think once you all see those with MK5 / 6 and TomToms will use this method from now on ;)
AlanD did you post your cunning way of using a TomTom in a MK 6?
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Oh sh!t no, sorry forgot. Its not all that cunning tbh lol :D
Mental note added, will add tonight when Im back from work.
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i'm looking forward to this - does it involve attaching to a wrist strap? or dangling from your forehead? are mirrors required?
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Your going to need a shovel, a hole puncher, some winegums and a half litter of Vodka. Get these all to hand now so your ready when I post it.