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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Madmax on 27 July 2009, 20:46
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Right then,
I'm after a new car will have about £1500 to spend so i've been looking at MK3's, was after a 16v but i
see my MR2 is quicker in every way & even that didn't feel fast (i'm not a speed freak lol) just want something
i can have a little fun in from time to time. So i started looking at the VR6's, how much quicker are these then
the 16v? How do they compare to hot hatches of today?
Is it worth it as i will be paying more on insurance? Or shall i just go for a 16v? Failing that, is the 8v much worse?
Thank you. :smiley:
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Just buy a mk4 TDI.
I hate these threads.
16v is the best, vr6 drinks to much, and the 8v is so slow.
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i pay about £300 a yr on a 16v it is quick but if i could afford to run a vr6 i would have one , i would say a decent vr6 would give most moden car's a good run for there money!
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i disagree.
Baring in mind i want to spend a lot of cash putting a VR in my mk3 this month.
I am prepared to say it wouldnt give a lot of modern stuff a run for its money in honesty.
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Just buy a mk4 TDI.
I hate these threads.
16v is the best, vr6 drinks to much, and the 8v is so slow.
Will probably go with the 16v then, insurance is much much cheaper too.
Is the VR6 really that costly to run then?
Why do you say an MK4, i recently sold mine which i regret but i doubt i'd find a TDI for my budget??
Cheers.
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ok vr6 is you want a cruiser, 16v if you want something sporty, 8v forget it!! and its impossible to compare to newer stuff as most have silly bhp and turbo's!! but the 16v will give a 150bhp 1.8t a good run
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If u google sheffieldforum and look in the classifieds u will see a vr6 has just gone on for £1200
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Just buy a mk4 TDI.
I hate these threads.
16v is the best, vr6 drinks to much, and the 8v is so slow.
Will probably go with the 16v then, insurance is much much cheaper too.
Is the VR6 really that costly to run then?
Why do you say an MK4, i recently sold mine which i regret but i doubt i'd find a TDI for my budget??
Cheers.
You will have to take my posts in this thread with a hint of sarcasm.
This forums believes the sun shines out of the rear end of the 16v, compared to any other engine.
;)
And i predicted right so far.
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Given the choice I would pick a VR6.
But this thread comes up time and time again and whatever happens the replys are the same, 16V is the best engine VW every made :laugh:
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Ok thanks you lot. I'd really like a VR6 but thinking about it, it will cost more in fuel & insurance then
the 16v so i might as well get that.
Btw, i would of though the 1.8T would of been much much fast with that turbo, but i guess it's only 150bhp too.
Thanks for all the info.
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Ok thanks you lot. I'd really like a VR6 but thinking about it, it will cost more in fuel & insurance then
the 16v so i might as well get that.
Btw, i would of though the 1.8T would of been much much fast with that turbo, but i guess it's only 150bhp too.
Thanks for all the info.
A well driven VR6 will not be a lot worse on juice, 16v have to driven hard to get the best out of them, plus the VR has a shed load more torque and will sit in higher gears.
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Ok im going to make abit of a contraversial post now,i have a mk3 and i also have a mk2 and you sound like a man who gets a buzz out of driving,there for go buy a mk2 16v theres tons more smiles per mile to be had in one of those if your worried about going from your mr2. mk3's are great little cars,well made all the creature comforts youll need and as i said i have one and i love my mk3 i really do but there lies the problem,the mk3 gti became abit too sensible and abit too comfortable and in my eyes was the begining of vw losing there grip abit over the hot hatch domination they had with the mk1 and mk2,i mean lets look at the golf now its a bloody lovely car but its also very big and very heavy and is it really still as fun as the cars they made in the late 80's and early 90's when being sensible and enviromentally friendly and economical and blah blah blah,i think you get my point,so if you want ya heart to race and if you want to smile and feel xcited i really think you should be looking at mk2 16v's. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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A well driven VR6 will not be a lot worse on juice, 16v have to driven hard to get the best out of them, plus the VR has a shed load more torque and will sit in higher gears.
This is the thing tho, for me the 8v/16v are exactly the same to insure but would the extra power be worth an extra £200 a year?
Ok im going to make abit of a contraversial post now,i have a mk3 and i also have a mk2 and you sound like a man who gets a buzz out of driving,there for go buy a mk2 16v theres tons more smiles per mile to be had in one of those if your worried about going from your mr2. mk3's are great little cars,well made all the creature comforts youll need and as i said i have one and i love my mk3 i really do but there lies the problem,the mk3 gti became abit too sensible and abit too comfortable and in my eyes was the begining of vw losing there grip abit over the hot hatch domination they had with the mk1 and mk2,i mean lets look at the golf now its a bloody lovely car but its also very big and very heavy and is it really still as fun as the cars they made in the late 80's and early 90's when being sensible and enviromentally friendly and economical and blah blah blah,i think you get my point,so if you want ya heart to race and if you want to smile and feel xcited i really think you should be looking at mk2 16v's. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
I thought about the MK2s but i didn't really see many for sale, either there's not many around or my price was too low. Lovely looking things tho. :)
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A well driven VR6 will not be a lot worse on juice, 16v have to driven hard to get the best out of them, plus the VR has a shed load more torque and will sit in higher gears.
This is the thing tho, for me the 8v/16v are exactly the same to insure but would the extra power be worth an extra £200 a year?
Yes I think So.
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Yes the vr is definately worth the extra money.
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Mk2 is a better drivers car.
Mk3 is a cruiser, and tarts car.
But you need deeper pockets to run a mk2 daily.
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Mk2 is a better drivers car.
Mk3 is a cruiser, and tarts car.
But you need deeper pockets to run a mk2 daily.
This is true hence why i have both :laugh:
Also the reason the mk4 isnt any faster even tho its got a turbo is because it weighs about the same as a small moon. :grin: put that engine in a mk1 mk2 or even a mk3 and its a very different story.
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Mk2 is a better drivers car.
Mk3 is a cruiser, and tarts car.
But you need deeper pockets to run a mk2 daily.
This is true hence why i have both :laugh:
Also the reason the mk4 isnt any faster even tho its got a turbo is because it weighs about the sam as a small moon. :grin: put that engine in a mk1 mk2 or even a mk3 and its a very different story.
Agreed.
But cant let out secret info.
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Thanks for all the help guys.
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VR6 ftw..
Got a nice Highline you can buy :grin:
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How much ya selling for? I won't be buying yet anyway, in a few weeks. :)
Do VR6's have low down grunt?
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How much ya selling for? I won't be buying yet anyway, in a few weeks. :)
Do VR6's have low down grunt?
Yes lots.
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If i go with the 16v i can get it in a few weeks, the VR6 would have to be in a couple of months & i'm impatient so.... :laugh:
Would i be able to find a nice 16v for under a grand?
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If i go with the 16v i can get it in a few weeks, the VR6 would have to be in a couple of months & i'm impatient so.... :laugh:
Would i be able to find a nice 16v for under a grand?
Maybe but it will have had a hard life, you have more chance of getting a nice 8v for that budget and not a lot slower.
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If i go with the 16v i can get it in a few weeks, the VR6 would have to be in a couple of months & i'm impatient so.... :laugh:
Would i be able to find a nice 16v for under a grand?
Maybe but it will have had a hard life, you have more chance of getting a nice 8v for that budget and not a lot slower.
Cheers mate, an 8v it will be then, as i said before, i've owned an Mk4 8v & didn't find it bad really. :smiley:
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If i go with the 16v i can get it in a few weeks, the VR6 would have to be in a couple of months & i'm impatient so.... :laugh:
Would i be able to find a nice 16v for under a grand?
Maybe but it will have had a hard life, you have more chance of getting a nice 8v for that budget and not a lot slower.
Cheers mate, an 8v it will be then, as i said before, i've owned an Mk4 8v & didn't find it bad really. :smiley:
Trust me nothing wrong with a 8v, you will or should get a nice one for your budget.
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Look forward to it. :)
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Ive not long sold my 16v mk3 it was a great little car and it would give most modern day cars a good run for their money if not beat em.I have since bought a mk3 VR6 which is a awsome car,awsome sound and really is a pleasure to drive even though it likes a drink.. :grin: If I was you why dont you go test drive all 3 the 8v,16v and the VR6 and see what you like.Im not a betting man but my money would be on the VR6 winning you over.... :wink:
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All 16v owners would say that, if they tried a vr6 :wink:
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from 8 to 16 and now vr6, i have to say best is vr6, ok it drinks a little but that depends on how hard you put your foot down, i personally think its same as the 16v on fuel wise but some might say vr6 drinks more, but any how, get a vr you will never regret it :grin:
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I've been driving my 8v for 2 years now (Since i was 18) and tbh i'm really bored if it now i just find it too slow for my liking so im going to either get a Mk3 16v or just get my self a classic Clio Williams :drool:
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I used to own a Mk2 1.8 8v, it was truly the most fun i ever had on four wheels... well, that i personally owned. I had fully rebuilt the engine and it was fast and reliable. That car unfortunately got stolen and consequently written off by a bunch of kids on the rob. I now own a Mk3 2.0 8v and while it's not the fastest GTI in the range as everyone loves to point out, it's not slow, maybe in comparison, but not slow, all the torque is in the lower end of the rev range where i like it, and yes it all disappears after 5500 revs but unless your a nutter you wouldn't want to be redlining all day long anyway... would you? I drive this car 85 miles a day on mainly A roads, it has done 135.000 miles and is in a good well serviced condition, driven normally it gives me 40- 43 mpg. you can't argue with that.
So to summarise, If you require all out power through the rev range get a VR, If you drive with a heavy foot you'll be happy with a 16v but if you're a fairly sensible chap who likes to put his foot down occasionally but is also fuel concious get a good 8v.
that's my 2 pence worth.
Andy
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Thanks all above, really helped. :smiley:
I've decided on an 8v, as i said earlier i can afford one now instead of waiting a month (i'm car-less at the mo) for the 16v/VR6.
Seen a lovely red one on Autotrader for £800, try to get him down to £700. Not sure on the mileage yet but hopefully won't be much.
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Thanks all above, really helped. :smiley:
I've decided on an 8v, as i said earlier i can afford one now instead of waiting a month (i'm car-less at the mo) for the 16v/VR6.
Seen a lovely red one on Autotrader for £800, try to get him down to £700. Not sure on the mileage yet but hopefully won't be much.
Miles don't matter too much, just check the bodywork for rust some seem to be a lot better than others.
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Thanks Wayne, will do that.
Does £800 sound like a good price then for a 97' 3 door said to be in exceptional condition & will have M.O.T & tax?
Really hope i can knock a few quid off tho.
Cheers
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Thanks Wayne, will do that.
Does £800 sound like a good price then for a 97' 3 door said to be in exceptional condition & will have M.O.T & tax?
Cheers
Yes, not a bad price, on 3 doors check the sills carefully around where the door shuts.
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Thanks again, will check that. :smiley:
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also put you your hand up into the arches and check the bit of the arch that is covered by the plactic, there notorious for rusting
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also put you your hand up into the arches and check the bit of the arch that is covered by the plactic, there notorious for rusting
Will do. :)
I also forgot an very important questions. Is the MK3 Golf OK for tall people, i'm 6ft 3"? :)
Cheers again.
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also put you your hand up into the arches and check the bit of the arch that is covered by the plactic, there notorious for rusting
Will do. :)
I also forgot an very important questions. Is the MK3 Golf OK for tall people, i'm 6ft 3"? :)
Cheers again.
You should be ok the seat goes down really low.
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also put you your hand up into the arches and check the bit of the arch that is covered by the plactic, there notorious for rusting
Will do. :)
I also forgot an very important questions. Is the MK3 Golf OK for tall people, i'm 6ft 3"? :)
Cheers again.
But does it go back a fair bit? :P
You should be ok the seat goes down really low.
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also put you your hand up into the arches and check the bit of the arch that is covered by the plactic, there notorious for rusting
Will do. :)
I also forgot an very important questions. Is the MK3 Golf OK for tall people, i'm 6ft 3"? :)
Cheers again.
But does it go back a fair bit? :P
You should be ok the seat goes down really low.
My brother in law is 6ft 4 and drove mine for a week with no issues.
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Ok brilliant. Didn't look at the car today but should leaving a deposit tomorrow. :)
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Btw, does anyone know what exhaust this is in the photo below please?
Want to go & look at it but hoping it's not to loud, any ideas?
(http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1702/mediar.jpg) (http://img111.imageshack.us/i/mediar.jpg/)
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think it might be some sort of custom tailpipe. not seen any of the major exhaust compaines with that.
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Its a supersport,probably bought from venom :smiley:
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Cheers guys, will have a look over at youtube to see if i can find any audio clips. :)
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I think Scorpion do a tail pipe the same as that..
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Might also be powerflow
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Pisses me off so much.
Went to look at the black GTI & it's listed as a 'very clean car' but they failed to mention;
- Badly scuffed paintwork on the left side
- Orange water in the water bottle
- No right side headlight cover
- No speakers front or rear, no headunit
- No M.O.T, no tax
- badly scuffed alloys
- Rear window dropped & wouldn't come up
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The problem with looking for cars is 99% are usually sh!t :angry:
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The problem with looking for cars is 99% are usually sh!t :angry:
Indeed, just wastes peoples time & petrol. It also annoys me when advertisers can't be arsed to say
more then several words in an advert!
Here's the advert in question;
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VOLKSWAGEN+GOLF/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-13-29-240-4294966835-4294966886/advert.action?R=200931338883697&distance=7&postcode=br1+2wa&channel=CARS&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=GOLF&min_pr=500&max_pr=2000&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=1997&vehicleRegLetter=P
Oh, almost forgot... It didn't even have leather/heated seats as it says in the listing. FFs lol.
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The ad says long MOT??
It is a dealer, so generally expect 9/10 to be conmen :laugh:
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True, hate buying from them but the thing is i was going to leave a deposit until i got paid.
Best thing to do is wait til i have the money then go private. :smiley:
Oh, it didn't have a door lock barrel either lol.
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i know ya made ya mind up but i drove my vr6 to clacton and back yesterday from lakeside, used 1/4 of a tank and was reading 35.6 mpg and i stuck around 80 apart for a couple of times where i played with some idiots :)
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i know ya made ya mind up but i drove my vr6 to clacton and back yesterday from lakeside, used 1/4 of a tank and was reading 35.6 mpg and i stuck around 80 apart for a couple of times where i played with some idiots :)
I really would love a VR6 but it'd mean waiting a couple of months. :(
Anywho, i left a deposit on a very nice red 8v today with 110k on the clocks & electric everything, very pleased with it, although i think it may of had a Scorpion exhaust which was a nice burble but not sure i will stick with it.
1997, P reg. power steering, 3-door, 5-speed, central locking, electric windows, cd multiplay stereo, sunroof, alloys, service history, MoT January 2010, exceptional condition, superb runner. £795.
BTW will this exhaust improve performance slightly?
(http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2859/media.jpg) (http://img107.imageshack.us/i/media.jpg/)
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depends on what exhaust it was... decat? will do, but not much... cat back system not really maybe 2bhp.... backbox nothing really.
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Haven't got a clue, what do i look for if i get under the car? And what's the safest way to get under the car at home, would a brick under each rear wheel be sufficient?
One last question what is the closest colour match Halfords do for the below red Golf please?
(http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2859/media.jpg) (http://img107.imageshack.us/i/media.jpg/)
:)
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Ok thanks you lot. I'd really like a VR6 but thinking about it, it will cost more in fuel & insurance then
the 16v so i might as well get that.
Btw, i would of though the 1.8T would of been much much fast with that turbo, but i guess it's only 150bhp too.
Thanks for all the info.
Aint no quicker than an 8v or my mums Vectra,heavier, looks like a Golf Match until you style it.
Get the VR if you want a MK3 so you dont even have to think about the 8v/16v sh@te!
Corrado for handling
MK2 for Smug my car is a modern classic :lipsrsealed:
MK4 for R32 fun and 1.8t tunning madness
MK5 for something your wife can drive :grin:
Basicly buy what you want/can afford be happy its a VW and not French :wink:
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Ok thanks you lot. I'd really like a VR6 but thinking about it, it will cost more in fuel & insurance then
the 16v so i might as well get that.
Btw, i would of though the 1.8T would of been much much fast with that turbo, but i guess it's only 150bhp too.
Thanks for all the info.
Aint no quicker than an 8v or my mums Vectra,heavier, looks like a Golf Match until you style it.
Get the VR if you want a MK3 so you dont even have to think about the 8v/16v sh@te!
Corrado for handling
MK2 for Smug my car is a modern classic :lipsrsealed:
MK4 for R32 fun and 1.8t tunning madness
MK5 for something your wife can drive :grin:
Basicly buy what you want/can afford be happy its a VW and not French :wink:
I wanted the VR6 but would have to of waited a couple of months, so at least i have a car
to drive now & will probably chop it in for a VR6 in about 2 months, granted i can save & not
have to spend it on this 8v. :laugh:
The 8v aint that bad tho, i had an MK4 8v & loved it, not fast but you're not always going fast.
I'm guessing £2000 would get me a very tidy one?
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Ok thanks you lot. I'd really like a VR6 but thinking about it, it will cost more in fuel & insurance then
the 16v so i might as well get that.
Btw, i would of though the 1.8T would of been much much fast with that turbo, but i guess it's only 150bhp too.
Thanks for all the info.
Aint no quicker than an 8v or my mums Vectra,heavier, looks like a Golf Match until you style it.
Get the VR if you want a MK3 so you dont even have to think about the 8v/16v sh@te!
Corrado for handling
MK2 for Smug my car is a modern classic :lipsrsealed:
MK4 for R32 fun and 1.8t tunning madness
MK5 for something your wife can drive :grin:
Basicly buy what you want/can afford be happy its a VW and not French :wink:
I wanted the VR6 but would have to of waited a couple of months, so at least i have a car
to drive now & will probably chop it in for a VR6 in about 2 months, granted i can save & not
have to spend it on this 8v. :laugh:
The 8v aint that bad tho, i had an MK4 8v & loved it, not fast but you're not always going fast.
I'm guessing £2000 would get me a very tidy one?
MK3's are like apples look great in all the right places until you get them home and they are rotten as fcuk
£2000 grand might buy you a good one it might buy you a granny smith.
Best to buy one off an honest chap on here who will tell you all its faults so you know just what you have got :wink: