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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: lukesgti8v on 18 June 2009, 17:05
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just got back from the rr and well.....152bhp! plus with more torque and stripped it would leave any 16v for dead!!!
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if it's standard that's about 30bhp on the optimistic side.
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whats the full spec? stil using digi fueling?
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Not being funny mate but it's just words! How bout a picture if the readout? Proof of your power figures now that would be impressive!
How bout some info on the car? Anyone can come on a forum and claim some wild power figures!
Pete :smiley:
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I understand that, il get a pic up as soon as the missus gets home with the camera,
mods are
custom 4-2-1
decat
stainless throughout
panel filter
ported and polished head
reprofiled cams
and been remaped to suit.
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would leave any 16v for dead!!!
Yeh a standard one...maybe
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Well done mate. What RR was it?
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Well done mate. What RR was it?
Indeed mate nice work will be good to see the printouts! Im sure there will be many defensive 16v owners posting
would leave any 16v for dead!!!
Yeh a standard one...maybe
or very similar words to that effect! :wink:
Pete :smiley:
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Sounds good!
Nick
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Jeez give the guy a break. Good stuff mate is good te hear of an 8v actually being slughtly quick
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Jeez give the guy a break. Good stuff mate is good te hear of an 8v actually being slughtly quick
Sorry if I sounded harsh, was not intended that way :undecided:
Pete
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Jeez give the guy a break. Good stuff mate is good te hear of an 8v actually being slughtly quick
Was only having a laugh. No trouble :kiss:
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152 not bad what were the torques upto ?
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I understand that, il get a pic up as soon as the missus gets home with the camera,
mods are
custom 4-2-1
decat
stainless throughout
panel filter
ported and polished head
reprofiled cams
and been remaped to suit.
hang on....8v??? :huh:
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That could be taken two different ways really. Yes the 8v has one camshaft but has 8 actual cams... :wink:
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That could be taken two different ways really. Yes the 8v has one camshaft but has 8 actual cams... :wink:
wtf :laugh: if he has done something to them 8 cams the he would say either hydrolic or solid or what ever, not reprofiled lol...how do you reprofile a tappit?? lol
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Either way, my 8v is faster.
And thats fact boys and girls. lol
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Either way, my 8v is faster.
And thats fact boys and girls. lol
this does not concern you so bugger off!!!
:laugh: :p
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My leaking rocker cover gasket adds 30bhp any day of the week.
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small man syndrome comes to mind :grin:
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My leaking rocker cover gasket adds 30bhp any day of the week.
f**kun aye!!! *runs outside to loosen all rocker cover bolts* :laugh:
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My leaking rocker cover gasket adds 30bhp any day of the week.
f**kun aye!!! *runs outside to loosen all rocker cover bolts* :laugh:
Oil pressure is for losers. I must get to ECP tomo to get a new one though. haha.
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I am struggling to believe that power figure.
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People should leave him alone until he provides the readout :)
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there is one thing tho..lens 16v gave 162bhp i believe and that hadn't had any real work done..so the figure is believable to me
(oh and the rolling road might of helped..in my old days I had a car set up when superchipped and it gave 156bhp but a week later at a different place it gave 148bhp)
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there is one thing tho..lens 16v gave 162bhp i believe and that hadn't had any real work done..so the figure is believable to me
(oh and the rolling road might of helped..in my old days I had a car set up when superchipped and it gave 156bhp but a week later at a different place it gave 148bhp)
I can believe the figure from a 16v but this is an 8v.
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Innocent until proven guilty
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Digs bigger hole for my hate to go in.
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I know my old 8v gave 122bhp standard (so I believe if its had work done the power is possible)
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:angry:
BB ur so unfair!! :cry:
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Thats a lot of performance even with those mods.
I think most rolling roads are a bit optimistic, keeps the punters happy :grin:
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Thats a lot of performance even with those mods.
I think most rolling roads are a bit optimistic, keeps the punters happy :grin:
This one was making full use of the X2 function. lol
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Ooo deleted comments. How delightfully sad and pointless. :smiley:
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The mk3 section is definetly growing with all of these new faces sticking their boots in.
Nice bit of copmany. Normally is just my sarcasm. haha.
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Ooo deleted comments. How delightfully sad and pointless. :smiley:
How sad an pointless are you to highlight it to every1? :tongue:
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Your both losers, now go to bed. lol
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losers :grin: I'm mr Kool :cool:
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sad and pointles......maybe but I'm fair with the moderating on here (try posting something on e38 and you'll be banned within the minute) Give the lad a break, he's happy of the results (maybe from an optomistic rolling road??) but dissing him personally isn't right.. :wink:
oh he didn't say he has a power valve or ecotek (and everybody knows they give 5-10% more power :huh:)
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Well done mate. What RR was it?
Indeed mate nice work will be good to see the printouts! Im sure there will be many defensive 16v owners posting
My 16v is faster :tongue:
Mike knows :grin:
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/2189568405_e97eec9f4a_o.jpg)
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I don't know why everyone is putting this down. 150bhp from 2.0 8v is perfectly possible and the mods he's listed should give those kind of figures. I don't see the issue?
nick
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:smiley:
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wtf :laugh: if he has done something to them 8 cams the he would say either hydrolic or solid or what ever, not reprofiled lol...how do you reprofile a tappit?? lol
What are you on about??? :huh:
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Rolling Roads vary greatly and are often out of calibration. I've had +/- 20 bhp at different locations with the same car and spec.
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wtf :laugh: if he has done something to them 8 cams the he would say either hydrolic or solid or what ever, not reprofiled lol...how do you reprofile a tappit?? lol
What are you on about??? :huh:
look at what work the guy said hes done, he said hes got reprofiled cams on a 8v...8v only has 1 camshaft :/
and then thai said he has 8 cams lmao
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still smells to me :grin: wat are the supercharged 2.0 8v's running?? bout 170bhp??
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Lets look at the mods then.
custom 4-2-1 - Gotta be worth 5bhp
decat - Again at least a few here, lets say 5bhp
stainless throughout - Another 3bhp here?
panel filter - None really butlet's just say 1bhp for sake of arguement.
ported and polished head - THis should easily add a good 10bhp, if it's a good one maybe even more.
reprofiled cams - Depends on spec, lets say a 275 and another 5bhp
and been remaped to suit. - Probably a couple of Bhp due to get the fuelling bang on.
So 112bhp standard plus my rough guesses above = 143bhp
If it's a more metal cam and the map on the ecu is really well set up I can't see why 150 isn't possible. Sure RR's can be a bit over but I really can't see why everyone is bashing this. THere are plenty of 8v's out there producing this kind of power, my MKII should be 140 ish and that's only a 1.9.
Nick
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you must be running a very lairy cam. what are the specs? must be over 276 duration with very favourable lift. but without larger valves?
my car (mk2) -
my car at midland vw had 8 runs and started at - 127.8hp@4917/138.5lbf.ft@4595 @ CALCULATED fly
and finished at - 134hp@5712/144.6lbf.ft@4513 @ CALCULATED fly
when we started the timing was retarded slightly, and he adjusted it not to 6'btdc but to where it produced the most power. peak power had shifted nearly 800rpm up the rev range!
here is my spec-
k&n filter in trumpet removed airbox
newman 268'
matched inlet
ported head 35mm/40mm
2.0 agg 70k
lightened balanced flywheel circa 30% reduction
matched and ported ex manifold
milltek full system
now. the torque figure is what i expected. but power, no. no perameters for the dyno were messed around with to invalidate figures. and i was shown figures from other cars (std) to give validity. its a true reading rr. if i were at stealth, i would have gain 10hp easily. the operater had taken a car on said rollers and proved indeed they were optimistic.
by putting in a lairyer cam i would of gained PEAK POWER. pub figures. i did this (piper276) and guess what? it ruined drivibility
funny one this. the milltek was a 2.5" system and was embarrassingly loud. so i put in a std vw filter, and a jetex 2" system. and tweaked the AFM. it feels so more responsive, and quicker. hmmm, bigger not always best.
im a real man now. so im building an abf. 150 std. be circa 170 with existing mods to car and a few extras. piperX filter, ported inlet/ex manis, jetex system, fueling chip :)
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look at what work the guy said hes done, he said hes got reprofiled cams on a 8v...8v only has 1 camshaft :/
and then thai said he has 8 cams lmao
The head has 8 valves, the camshaft has 8 cams. I fail to see the problem?
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look at what work the guy said hes done, he said hes got reprofiled cams on a 8v...8v only has 1 camshaft :/
and then thai said he has 8 cams lmao
The head has 8 valves, the camshaft has 8 cams. I fail to see the problem?
The correct term is cam lobes. :smiley:
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To put it into perspective, in my MK2 8v I had a 2.0 bottom end on a MK2 head. completly std head, bottom end and exhaust. It made 141.9bhp on storms rollers, and a completly std 1.8 8v made 127bhp straight after. So you cant always rely on a rolling road to be accurate! Its also better to give the power at the wheels as well, as not all rr flywheel calculations are the same either. Mine was 106.4 at the wheels :)
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Definalty achievable with the spec this thread has opened a big can of worms should be locked or pictures of the rr posted people can always argue dif rolling roads and stuff but shouldn't be taken into consideration inthis thread the guys achievedhis figure leave it at that. IMO pics or it didn't happen :p
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It's still a cam though at the end of the day, and regardless, it's got f**k all to do with reprofiling tappets or whatever he was on about :grin:
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wish i used that rr :grin:
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Lets look at the mods then.
custom 4-2-1 - Gotta be worth 5bhp
decat - Again at least a few here, lets say 5bhp
stainless throughout - Another 3bhp here?
panel filter - None really butlet's just say 1bhp for sake of arguement.
ported and polished head - THis should easily add a good 10bhp, if it's a good one maybe even more.
reprofiled cams - Depends on spec, lets say a 275 and another 5bhp
and been remaped to suit. - Probably a couple of Bhp due to get the fuelling bang on.
So 112bhp standard plus my rough guesses above = 143bhp
If it's a more metal cam and the map on the ecu is really well set up I can't see why 150 isn't possible. Sure RR's can be a bit over but I really can't see why everyone is bashing this. THere are plenty of 8v's out there producing this kind of power, my MKII should be 140 ish and that's only a 1.9.
Nick
mk3 8v is 115hp standard, and 4-2-1 mani can give far more than 5hp. Ask danny_p. His abf was RR'd and at the time the only modification was a custom 4-2-1 manifold, 150 bhp standard, his pulled 173hp, so thast 23hp from a manifold, although I find it hard to believe only one thing would give such gain.
When I had mine RR'd it pulled 116.6hp, only modification at the time was drilled airbox. It hadnt been serviced in 25k miles, and it was running 95RON. I reckon with a full service and some v-power I would have been able to scrape 120hp, and that is completly standard. Now ive got piperx panel filter and more holes in the airbox, alogn with cold air intake and soon to have decat and chip, I am expexting around 125-130hp.
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
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I understand that, il get a pic up as soon as the missus gets home with the camera
she still not back?! :wink:
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
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lol, this one has certainley got a bit firey.
i think id agree that it may be a bit optimistic but if its on paper who are we to argue and well done on having a cracking 8v, lol
would be nice to see the pics but maybe a bit harsh saying he's lying?
my thoughts :)
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
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It's still a cam though at the end of the day, and regardless, it's got f**k all to do with reprofiling tappets or whatever he was on about :grin:
Totally agree. He was trying to make the guy look an idiot, but has made himself look a right tart in the process.... :grin:
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I've seen a mk3 16v on ebay saying hes got 190 bhp. Thats got jenvey throttle bodys, itg air filter, mild high lift cams, gas flowed head, stand alone ecu, exhaust system, veiner pully. I can believe that.
I was a member on saxosportsclub and with a set of cams, throttle bodys, air filter, exhaust and a remap you will easy see 170bhp from 120bhp.
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16Vs were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
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This thread is becoming increasingly close to being locked lol! Stop the b!tchin'!!!
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its not b!tching, its discussion...go do some sigs :grin:
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blah blah blah blah.
Frankly does it matter? The only way to settle it is an RR day with everyone running on the same rollers to compare. Even then people blabber on about the readings being wrong.
My 2p worth? You can all eat my 8v dust. Not many MKIII's of any flavour on here will keep up with my mighty 8v pooooaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaar.
nick
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blah blah blah blah.
Frankly does it matter? The only way to settle it is an RR day with everyone running on the same rollers to compare. Even then people blabber on about the readings being wrong.
My 2p worth? You can all eat my 8v dust. Not many MKIII's of any flavour on here will keep up with my mighty 8v pooooaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaar.
nick
but thats cos your 8v is set up for the track. my mk3 is set up for the road. You cant carry 5 people, you cant have a quiet motorway journey, you cant sit comfortably on a bumpy road...but yes on a track your 8v will beat mine anyday of the week.
And hopefully i shall be arranging another RR day at JKM at around october time, so hopefully you can come along and show us this "mighty" 8v :wink:
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I don't think the abf was restricted but I do think vw did play down it's bhp a little so as too not interfere with the vr6! So you may both be correct who knows lol.
Pete
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its not b!tching, its discussion...go do some sigs :grin:
Oh it's b!tchin' and you know it is lol! Until the guy puts up his RR printout, I think everyone should just leave the subject alone, it's not fair to the original poster. And let's face it, Horney will melt all MK3s with his 'rado lol!
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You are kidding right Shady? The Rado weighs about the same as a MKIII! Itreally isn't very quick. It's all about the sports car handling though, through the twisties it's pretty animal like.
Khare: You have a very good point about comfort and stuff. I can carry one passanger though and it's an awesome car for taking big stuff to the tip quickly :grin:
nick
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You are kidding right Shady? The Rado weighs about the same as a MKIII! Itreally isn't very quick. It's all about the sports car handling though, through the twisties it's pretty animal like.
Khare: You have a very good point about comfort and stuff. I can carry one passanger though and it's an awesome car for taking big stuff to the tip quickly :grin:
nick
I was taking the piss...as were you lol!
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Ah I see, my friday afternoon brain is not coping to well.
Nick
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I don't think the abf was restricted but I do think vw did play down it's bhp a little so as too not interfere with the vr6! So you may both be correct who knows lol.
Pete
spot on
There was "limiting" going on, but there was conservative reporting of stock power. I've now seen three stock-ish ABFs and they were all up (fractionally) 155, 156 and mine was 160.1 (the 0.1 is important!!!), the same rollers recorded 196 for a 2008 totally stock mkv gti, so it was reading reasonably accurate.
Mine has a K+N and a DTM backbox...stuck manifolds, cam and cat.
the 8v at the top of the thread is a long way fropm stock, its got induction, exhaust and head work done, which has all been optimised by a remap - the figures make for believable reading... as headline figures, I wonder how it idles though !!!
The VR6 was marketed as a premium product, not a balls out hair on fire super hatch....
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.
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the 8v at the top of the thread is a long way fropm stock, its got induction, exhaust and head work done, which has all been optimised by a remap - the figures make for believable reading... as headline figures, I wonder how it idles though !!!
Hurrah someone else who sees without their "all 8v's are crap" glasses on. Mines running a similar spec with a 286 cam and once warm it idles fine although at 1,050 rpm. If I set it to 900rpm it gets in a cycle with metering head flap and idles like a biatch due to the overlap :grin:
nick
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Anyway torque is what matters.
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Anyway torque is what matters.
nope
speed and the rate of gathering it is what matters, using torque or outright power makes no odds :drool:
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yeah if it was just torque that matters then we would all be going around in tractors ;)
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cant the poster just post up the power graph, would save a lot of moaning lol
Khare: You have a very good point about comfort and stuff. I can carry one passanger though and it's an awesome car for taking big stuff to the tip quickly :grin:
nick
wait till you put some scaffolding in there :laugh:
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But then I can use it to dry my clothes. It's win/win!
Nick
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it could also be used as a pen for a spider monkey :laugh:
or put a swing on the harness bar and rent it out as a trap for paedos :undecided:
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My car made 173.6bhp with K&N and Magnex CAT back on Storms RR!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
So DO NOT believe any high RR figure!
Stealth are another high figure RR!
I have since been on 2 other RR and recorded 156 and 153 bhp
And I'm with the doubters as I would estimate an 8v with those mods to be around 135bhp.
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whatever power its got its still in the wrong shell :lipsrsealed:
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i trust JKM rollers as when stealthwolf and another mk5 (standard cars) went on they produced bang on factory spec power.
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I agree Khare Bear! Thats where my 153 bhp was recorded.
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yeah if it was just torque that matters then we would all be going around in tractors ;)
Thats why i drive the MK3 8v :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Peace and love to all VW's id rather drive my MK3 8v than any other Hatch of the era and if i could mod it up to 152bhp then i would be chuffed to bits
Well done buddy true dub spirit :wink:
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There a lot of conjecture on here that all engines from the factory are putting out the same power. They don't. There are so many little differences in tolerance and machining that no two engines are identical. Sometimes you get a good one, sometimes a bad one.
I know manufacturing tolerances have got much closer recently but the chances are if he's got a good engine with fine spec, lumpy cam and good breathing, along with a reasonably optimistic rolling road I reckon that figure is achieveable. Sadly, with all the slagging off and disbelief we may never know as the OP probably thinks he's gonna get ridiculed again.
Either that or his missus has genuinely lost the camera!! :laugh:
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Sometimes you get a good one, sometimes a bad one.
Mines so good i done a bus on the way home :wink:
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Lmao, ^^^^^^^ hell of an achievement!!!
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It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
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It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.
And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.
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look at what work the guy said hes done, he said hes got reprofiled cams on a 8v...8v only has 1 camshaft :/
and then thai said he has 8 cams lmao
The head has 8 valves, the camshaft has 8 cams. I fail to see the problem?
:wink: Danke.
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It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.
And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.
Agree there with Khare although i'd rather start with a vr6 than a 16v, my vr made my 16v look weak and supprisingly my ex bro inlaw couldn't lose my vr which was quite impressive especially considering he had a 280bhp r32 skyline gts-t. :shocked:
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.
Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?
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abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.
Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?
No, not at all, I have always liked the VR6.
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I do believe he was referring to khare there Wayne, but anyway...
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I do believe he was referring to khare there Wayne, but anyway...
Sorry, been a long day with lots of hassle.
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Geez, you MK3 lot are always fighting when I come in here.
Calm down.
Everyone knows the VR6 is the best :tongue:
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Geez, you MK3 lot are always fighting when I come in here.
Calm down.
Everyone knows the VR6 is the best :tongue:
turbo'd 8v crossflow is the best :wink:
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It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.
And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.
Agree there with Khare although i'd rather start with a vr6 than a 16v, my vr made my 16v look weak and supprisingly my ex bro inlaw couldn't lose my vr which was quite impressive especially considering he had a 280bhp r32 skyline gts-t. :shocked:
in the search for ultimate performance then id start with a vr6 too, but if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.
Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?
Yes, in other words.
Come on mate, acknowledge it, 2800cc and 6 cylinders and only produces 30 hp more than a 2l 16v motor....You need to throw a lot of money towards a vr6 before it becomes what it should have been in the first place.
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2.0 8v can make 150 without issue, there are 2.0 8v mk1's runnign around with 170 bhp motors it's not hard to do just not cheep.
the 2.0 16v ABF was developed for seat and was meant to be 175 bhp the is pritty obvious for 2 reasons 1) it goes to 175 bhp quite easyl 2) i have copys of eproms whitch are soposedly from development / test engines :)
it is belived that the ABF was detuned for meany reasons. to a power gap between it and the vr6, emissions , or the eu requirement for all engines to be abel to run safely on 95 octane fuel without damage.
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if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
Go on then, buy and tune an 8v or 16v for less than £1k and compare it to the vr6 you can buy for a grand
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if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
Go on then, buy and tune an 8v or 16v for less than £1k and compare it to the vr6 you can buy for a grand
for £1000 you can increase the 16v hp to quite a fair bit more than a VR6 standard figures.
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if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
Go on then, buy and tune an 8v or 16v for less than £1k and compare it to the vr6 you can buy for a grand
for £1000 you can increase the 16v hp to quite a fair bit more than a VR6 standard figures.
Agreed! It wouldn't be too hard or expensive! For a grand you could build an impessive motor that would blow a standard vr off the road!
The point is null and void however if you put said 16v up against a vr with a grands worth of mods! Personally I'd rather have the 16v but I think it is down to just that... personal taste and maybe driving style!
Pete
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also, whereas for £1000 you would tune a 16v mild/heavy, it would only be basic/mild on a VR6, + VR6 will always be more expensive to insure, run and maintain.
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also, whereas for £1000 you would tune a 16v mild/heavy, it would only be basic/mild on a VR6, + VR6 will always be more expensive to insure, run and maintain.
I was on the verge of buying a modified vr off a mate of my dads as a second car! He was shouting of a great big list of mods and I was all ready to sign on the dotted line when he told me ...... It does 16mpg :shocked: :shocked:
Pete
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No, buy the car and tune for £1k
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No, buy the car and tune for £1k
I'm sure any vr you bought for 1k would be well worth having :lipsrsealed:
pete
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No, buy the car and tune for £1k
possible with a 16v, hard with a vr6. you can pick up a 16v for £700 or so, where as vr's start at 900 or 1000...
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No, buy the car and tune for £1k
possible with a 16v, hard with a vr6. you can pick up a 16v for £700 or so, where as vr's start at 900 or 1000...
I paid £300 for my 1995 16v. Tt's really clean and has 99000 miles.
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No, buy the car and tune for £1k
possible with a 16v, hard with a vr6. you can pick up a 16v for £700 or so, where as vr's start at 900 or 1000...
I paid £300 for my 1995 16v. Tt's really clean and has 99000 miles.
Bargain mate!
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So if you pick up a 16v for £700, can you make it as quick as/quicker than a vr with the remaining £300?
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Thats why I got it. to good to turn down.
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So if you pick up a 16v for £700, can you make it as quick as/quicker than a vr with the remaining £300?
Never tried it myself, but from what I know, yes. Don't ask how, I've not done it but plenty of people have got lots of ponies for £300
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So if you pick up a 16v for £700, can you make it as quick as/quicker than a vr with the remaining £300?
Never tried it myself, but from what I know, yes. Don't ask how, I've not done it but plenty of people have got lots of ponies for £300
Indeed for three hundred you could get pretty damn close to vr power! There isn't such a huge gulf in performance anyway just engine size!
Pete
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My point is the following statement isn't strictly true:
if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
Yes you can buy your 8v for £500, but you'll have to spend a few hundred to get to 16v level, which as stated you can get for around £700.
The same applies to the 16v and tuning that, you still have to spend a fair bit to get to vr level, which you can easily pick up for a grand.
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My point is the following statement isn't strictly true:
if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
Yes you can buy your 8v for £500, but you'll have to spend a few hundred to get to 16v level, which as stated you can get for around £700.
The same applies to the 16v and tuning that, you still have to spend a fair bit to get to vr level, which you can easily pick up for a grand.
Or go even further and say if you want a fast car buy a fast car not any breed of older golf!
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:grin: very true!
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I think some people take all this way too seriously. I spend money on my car which I don't have too indeed spending it on a 8v is deemed by many to be a waste of money but its my choice! I don't do it to make it as quick as a 16v or so I can race the chav down the road in his Saxo I do it cos its my Golf. I did the same with my previous mk3 and my mk2 and my dad does it with his Beetle!
One thing I have noticed though is in the air cooled scene there isn't so much hostility and aggression! In the water cooled scene everything seems like a competition, whos faster, you bought the wrong golf etc etc. No one cares when it comes to air cooled they all just seem to do there own thing and if another person don't like it they just run with it, its about individuality I guess, maybe we should take a leaf out of their book!
Some people want 8v some want 16, some people want a mk2 some a 3, some people wanna drive a friggin Smart car but its up to them we should all chill!
Sorry rant over :grin:
Pete
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some people wanna drive a friggin Smart car but its up to them we should all chill!
It's alright, i drive a 1.3 skoda :sick:
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some people wanna drive a friggin Smart car but its up to them we should all chill!
It's alright, i drive a 1.3 skoda :sick:
Even worse I once owned a 1300 Fiat Punto. :embarassed:
Pete
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Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.
That is the conclusion of this thread.
Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol
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Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.
That is the conclusion of this thread.
Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol
What was that b!tch?! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.
That is the conclusion of this thread.
Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol
What was that b!tch?! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
If you want performance. VR6
If you want comforts, with gti look, GL it is.
lol....... Love you shady.
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It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.
And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.
Agree there with Khare although i'd rather start with a vr6 than a 16v, my vr made my 16v look weak and supprisingly my ex bro inlaw couldn't lose my vr which was quite impressive especially considering he had a 280bhp r32 skyline gts-t. :shocked:
in the search for ultimate performance then id start with a vr6 too, but if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.
Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?
Yes, in other words.
Come on mate, acknowledge it, 2800cc and 6 cylinders and only produces 30 hp more than a 2l 16v motor....You need to throw a lot of money towards a vr6 before it becomes what it should have been in the first place.
Have you ever driven one? I suspect not.
A good vr6 is very nippy, alot quicker than a 16v.
Lets face it, the golf vr6 lump is detuned, the vr6 in corrado is 190bhp with only 69cc more.
Add a free flowing exhaust(the golf exhaust is crap), a good filter and a remap, and you'll easily see more than 190bhp out of the golf lump.
Add cams and you'll easily get over 200bhp.
I wouldn't say thats big money for those mods.
Also try adding a VSR, not that cheap, but it increases low down torque massively on the vr6.
These manifolds are fitted to the v6 on the audi, and the v8, believe me thay are very good.
People seem to be under the illusion that to tune a vr6 you need forced induction, total rubbish.
OBDII vr6's are better than OBDI's, the golf magazine had a feature on this a few years back, the OBDII models were producing power nearer to the corrado as standard.
Bearing in mind the vr6 was first released in 1992, around that time, 174bhp was more than respectable for a hot hatch, and i think that the vr6 is great engineering, as fitting an engine that size in a front wheel drive golf isn't exactly that easy!!
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It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.
And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.
Agree there with Khare although i'd rather start with a vr6 than a 16v, my vr made my 16v look weak and supprisingly my ex bro inlaw couldn't lose my vr which was quite impressive especially considering he had a 280bhp r32 skyline gts-t. :shocked:
in the search for ultimate performance then id start with a vr6 too, but if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.
abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.
ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...
The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.
The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.
Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?
Yes, in other words.
Come on mate, acknowledge it, 2800cc and 6 cylinders and only produces 30 hp more than a 2l 16v motor....You need to throw a lot of money towards a vr6 before it becomes what it should have been in the first place.
Have you ever driven one? I suspect not.
A good vr6 is very nippy, alot quicker than a 16v.
Lets face it, the golf vr6 lump is detuned, the vr6 in corrado is 190bhp with only 69cc more.
Add a free flowing exhaust(the golf exhaust is crap), a good filter and a remap, and you'll easily see more than 190bhp out of the golf lump.
Add cams and you'll easily get over 200bhp.
I wouldn't say thats big money for those mods.
Also try adding a VSR, not that cheap, but it increases low down torque massively on the vr6.
These manifolds are fitted to the v6 on the audi, and the v8, believe me thay are very good.
People seem to be under the illusion that to tune a vr6 you need forced induction, total rubbish.
OBDII vr6's are better than OBDI's, the golf magazine had a feature on this a few years back, the OBDII models were producing power nearer to the corrado as standard.
Bearing in mind the vr6 was first released in 1992, around that time, 174bhp was more than respectable for a hot hatch, and i think that the vr6 is great engineering, as fitting an engine that size in a front wheel drive golf isn't exactly that easy!!
I can quote more than you! :tongue:
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:grin:
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hahaha :grin:
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Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.
That is the conclusion of this thread.
Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol
What was that b!tch?! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
If you want performance. VR6
If you want comforts, with gti look, GL it is.
lol....... Love you shady.
Wouldn't say the GL was comfortable lol! GTI interior is much nicer. But love you too :P
As for quoting, you whores better stop it, I can delete better than all of you ;)
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Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.
That is the conclusion of this thread.
Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol
What was that b!tch?! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
If you want performance. VR6
If you want comforts, with gti look, GL it is.
lol....... Love you shady.
Wouldn't say the GL was comfortable lol! GTI interior is much nicer. But love you too :P
As for quoting, you whores better stop it, I can delete better than all of you ;)
:cool:
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Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.
That is the conclusion of this thread.
Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol
What was that b!tch?! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
If you want performance. VR6
If you want comforts, with gti look, GL it is.
lol....... Love you shady.
Wouldn't say the GL was comfortable lol! GTI interior is much nicer. But love you too :P
As for quoting, you whores better stop it, I can delete better than all of you ;)
that's dictatorship!
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Damn right khare, respect my authorita!
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No. Thats a GL owner.
Jealousy. hahaa
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Damn right khare, respect my authorita!
:grin:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/capecodcrusader/Cartman-Cop1.jpg?t=1245610456)
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You sir Mew are in my good books :p
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Just read all 14 pages of this and still no RR print out by OP. :rolleyes:
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Nice new sig from Shady.
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Nice new sig from Shady.
It's Mew's fault, he shouldn't of posted that pic of Cartman haha!
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I cannot believe this thread is now 15 pages long.
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Well until the OP posts some RR, I'm not locking it :tongue:
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Well until the OP posts some RR, I'm not locking it :tongue:
Well he logged on today, maybe he took one look at this thread and ran for the hills.
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In that case... :grin: