And who said the 8v gti were slow!

[harlemex]

It's still a cam though at the end of the day, and regardless, it's got f**k all to do with reprofiling tappets or whatever he was on about

Totally agree. He was trying to make the guy look an idiot, but has made himself look a right tart in the process....

[tweed]

I've seen a mk3 16v on ebay saying hes got 190 bhp. Thats got jenvey throttle bodys, itg air filter, mild high lift cams, gas flowed head, stand alone ecu, exhaust system, veiner pully. I can believe that.
I was a member on saxosportsclub and with a set of cams, throttle bodys, air filter, exhaust and a remap you will easy see 170bhp from 120bhp.

[Wayne]

abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself

well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.

ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.

from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...

The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.

[Khare]

abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself

well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.

ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.

from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...

The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.

why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.

[Shady Pioneer]

This thread is becoming increasingly close to being locked lol! Stop the b!tchin'!!!

[Khare]

its not b!tching, its discussion...go do some sigs

[Horney]

blah blah blah blah.

Frankly does it matter? The only way to settle it is an RR day with everyone running on the same rollers to compare. Even then people blabber on about the readings being wrong.

My 2p worth? You can all eat my 8v dust. Not many MKIII's of any flavour on here will keep up with my mighty 8v pooooaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaar.

nick

[Khare]

blah blah blah blah.

Frankly does it matter? The only way to settle it is an RR day with everyone running on the same rollers to compare. Even then people blabber on about the readings being wrong.

My 2p worth? You can all eat my 8v dust. Not many MKIII's of any flavour on here will keep up with my mighty 8v pooooaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaar.

nick

but thats cos your 8v is set up for the track. my mk3 is set up for the road. You cant carry 5 people, you cant have a quiet motorway journey, you cant sit comfortably on a bumpy road...but yes on a track your 8v will beat mine anyday of the week.

And hopefully i shall be arranging another RR day at JKM at around october time, so hopefully you can come along and show us this "mighty" 8v 

[Petec82]

I don't think the abf was restricted but I do think vw did play down it's bhp a little so as too not interfere with the vr6! So you may both be correct who knows lol.
Pete

[Shady Pioneer]

its not b!tching, its discussion...go do some sigs

Oh it's b!tchin' and you know it is lol! Until the guy puts up his RR printout, I think everyone should just leave the subject alone, it's not fair to the original poster. And let's face it, Horney will melt all MK3s with his 'rado lol!