And who said the 8v gti were slow!

[Horney]

You are kidding right Shady? The Rado weighs about the same as a MKIII! Itreally isn't very quick. It's all about the sports car handling though, through the twisties it's pretty animal like.

Khare: You have a very good point about comfort and stuff. I can carry one passanger though and it's an awesome car for taking big stuff to the tip quickly

nick

[Shady Pioneer]

You are kidding right Shady? The Rado weighs about the same as a MKIII! Itreally isn't very quick. It's all about the sports car handling though, through the twisties it's pretty animal like.

Khare: You have a very good point about comfort and stuff. I can carry one passanger though and it's an awesome car for taking big stuff to the tip quickly

nick

I was taking the piss...as were you lol!

[Horney]

Ah I see, my friday afternoon brain is not coping to well.

Nick

[green-blood]

I don't think the abf was restricted but I do think vw did play down it's bhp a little so as too not interfere with the vr6! So you may both be correct who knows lol.
Pete

spot on

There was "limiting" going on, but there was conservative reporting of stock power. I've now seen three stock-ish ABFs and they were all up (fractionally) 155, 156 and mine was 160.1 (the 0.1 is important!!!), the same rollers recorded 196 for a 2008 totally stock mkv gti, so it was reading reasonably accurate.

Mine has a K+N and a DTM backbox...stuck manifolds, cam and cat.

the 8v at the top of the thread is a long way fropm stock, its got induction, exhaust and head work done, which has all been optimised by a remap - the figures make for believable reading... as headline figures, I wonder how it idles though !!!

The VR6 was marketed as a premium product, not a balls out hair on fire super hatch....

[Wayne]

abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself

well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.

ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.

from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...

The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.

why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.

The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.

[Khare]

abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself

well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.

ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.

from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...

The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.

why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.

The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.

no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.

[Horney]

the 8v at the top of the thread is a long way fropm stock, its got induction, exhaust and head work done, which has all been optimised by a remap - the figures make for believable reading... as headline figures, I wonder how it idles though !!!

Hurrah someone else who sees without their "all 8v's are crap" glasses on. Mines running a similar spec with a 286 cam and once warm it idles fine although at 1,050 rpm. If I set it to 900rpm it gets in a cycle with metering head flap and idles like a biatch due to the overlap

nick

[Wayne]

Anyway torque is what matters.

[green-blood]

Anyway torque is what matters.

nope

speed and the rate of gathering it is what matters, using torque or outright power makes no odds 

[rubjonny]

yeah if it was just torque that matters then we would all be going around in tractors