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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: pee-jay_88 on 23 February 2009, 19:46
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hiya iv just got a mk3 gti and i no its only 115bhp at the moment but is there much i can do to boost it up to match my mates 130bhp golf mk tdi ???
thanks pete
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Yeah, put a new engine in it.
You can spend hundreds for about 30BHP.
Panel filter, drilled aurbox, de-cat and a good service is about it. Discussed regularly, 8V's just aren't powerful. Plus that TDI has MILES more torque too.
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As said.. unles you spend real money it nearly pointless increasing the bhp as an exhaust,decent chip and filter will give 10-15bhp max, you need head and cam work or a turbo conversion!! for good results
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Forget wasting money on an 8v!!!
Sell it and get a 16V! Its a no brainer!
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Keep the 8v, plenty good enough.
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Keep the 8v, plenty good enough.
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8V's just aren't powerful.
They are compared to you 1.4 :wink: and against quite a few other cars out there! :wink:
As for keeping up with your mates TDI pete. . . looking at the stats over the web 0-60 aint all that much in it! :smiley:
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Keep the 8v, plenty good enough.
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8V's just aren't powerful.
They are compared to you 1.4 :wink: and against quite a few other cars out there! :wink:
Yup, deffo are. When I say that I mean in terms of the Golf engines. Not so much power I suppose but the 16v's are easier to tune. :wink:
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You mean for a GTI it has not that much power. . . .
And you mean the 16v's are more tunable. :wink:
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16v might be 150bhp in place of 115bhp but torque matters and a 16v is only around 11lbs ft more.
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You mean for a GTI it has not that much power. . . .
And you mean the 16v's are more tunable. :wink:
Yeah I guess.
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16v might be 150bhp in place of 115bhp but torque matters and a 16v is only around 11lbs ft more.
HEAR HEAR!
people start going on about 8 v and 16v sh!t these days. As kells said in hi thread his well maintained and cheerful 8v beat his mates 16v....second 16v he beat he said.
The other day, i was following a cooper S on the way home, and we got onto the dual (duel) carriageway and from 40-60 he was pulling away very slightly but from 60 to 100 which was the speed we got to at the end of the carriage way it was neck and neck, i was behind him but he wasnt pulling away, and i know he was going flat out...FACT, people jabber on about how 16v are the better replacements for the 8v, but some how my dad never bought one, he always had 8vs, (6 of them infact) and he was a VW specialist for many years and used to race cars and bikes.....so he must of had a dam good reason why he had 8v and not 16v, his response was 8v picked up quicker and where more rev happy, he used to race in the twisties not on the straights.
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I just like driving my Golf. :smiley:
I left loads of people on the dual carriageway at the weekend. . . but i did push it to 120 :lipsrsealed:
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16v might be 150bhp in place of 115bhp but torque matters and a 16v is only around 11lbs ft more.
HEAR HEAR!
people start going on about 8 v and 16v sh!t these days. As kells said in hi thread his well maintained and cheerful 8v beat his mates 16v....second 16v he beat he said.
The other day, i was following a cooper S on the way home, and we got onto the dual (duel) carriageway and from 40-60 he was pulling away very slightly but from 60 to 100 which was the speed we got to at the end of the carriage way it was neck and neck, i was behind him but he wasnt pulling away, and i know he was going flat out...FACT, people jabber on about how 16v are the better replacements for the 8v, but some how my dad never bought one, he always had 8vs, (6 of them infact) and he was a VW specialist for many years and used to race cars and bikes.....so he must of had a dam good reason why he had 8v and not 16v, his response was 8v picked up quicker and where more rev happy, he used to race in the twisties not on the straights.
but i think the thing is people go on about tuning an 8v which isnt worth it whereas the 16v is actually worth tuning.. its not about comparing the standard 8v and 16v in my mind
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Oh no not again!
Look people and especially all you 8valve wannabees!
A standard 16v will piss all over an 8v with torque and power!
So stop posting all this nonsense!
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here we go again.... :grin:
all the bitter 16valvers come out of the closet... (they're bitter because their cars are not much/any faster, have worse fuel economy, higher insurance, and are now rare to find ones that havnt been ragged to death)
mind you, i wouldnt have any other 8v than a concept. :wink:
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'm not bitter in anyway!
I challenge any 8v to run down the strip next to me!
Shut up or put up! Any takers?
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'm not bitter in anyway!
I challenge any 8v to run down the strip next to me!
Shut up or put up! Any takers?
ill put mine up..
being towed by the force 1 dragster :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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Yes 16v is more tunable but im on about standard engines. With cheap and cheerful mods like drilling airbox, sticking a £40 panel filter in there, and a full service, you can have as much fun as a 16v owner.
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And I'll leave you eating my dust! :wink: :grin:
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I still prefer the 8v :wink:
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I still prefer the 8v :wink:
Thanks you, smoother and plenty quick enough for day to day use.
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You 8v boys must love eating dust and fumes! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I still prefer the 8v :wink:
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8v POWER!
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Riot! I predict a RIOT! Yea obv. the16v will beat a 8v! Chill!
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Its funny though how the 8v boys keep sniping and yet soon back away from a challenge! :laugh:
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Just have your Golf as a second car, and then you can relax and enjoy it for what it is. Just an old car whether 8v or 16v that looks good and allows you to enjoy how cars used to feel like. :smiley: It's just not worth getting bothered about either way.
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The mk3 is a cruiser, and the 8v engine suits that perfectly. If I got a mk2 i'd get a 16v, as it makes more sense in the lighter more chuckable car.
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I have to disagree as if its been lowered and on decent coilovers etc. the Mk3 16v can be better than a Mk2! :evil:
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the Mk3 16v can be better than a Mk2! :evil:
Now you really are talking chocolate. Guys, just love your car for what it is.. because no matter what you do to it or how fast you make it, someone will always be quicker.
.. especially if they have 24 valves :evil:
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8v is just too gutless. 115bhp in a "GTI".... come on.
Im not having a pop or trying to put anyone down here. This is coming from an ex 8v owner btw.
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its not what you got its how you drive it :wink:
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8v is just too gutless. 115bhp in a "GTI".... come on.
Im not having a pop or trying to put anyone down here. This is coming from an ex 8v owner btw.
Was that your mk4 8v?? they are slooooowwwww :lipsrsealed:
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Correct that was my MK4 2.0 8v. Same lump tho. Ok, I might have been carrying a little bit more weight, not loads more tho.
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16v might be 150bhp in place of 115bhp but torque matters and a 16v is only around 11lbs ft more.
HEAR HEAR!
people start going on about 8 v and 16v sh!t these days. As kells said in hi thread his well maintained and cheerful 8v beat his mates 16v....second 16v he beat he said.
The other day, i was following a cooper S on the way home, and we got onto the dual (duel) carriageway and from 40-60 he was pulling away very slightly but from 60 to 100 which was the speed we got to at the end of the carriage way it was neck and neck, i was behind him but he wasnt pulling away, and i know he was going flat out...FACT, people jabber on about how 16v are the better replacements for the 8v, but some how my dad never bought one, he always had 8vs, (6 of them infact) and he was a VW specialist for many years and used to race cars and bikes.....so he must of had a dam good reason why he had 8v and not 16v, his response was 8v picked up quicker and where more rev happy, he used to race in the twisties not on the straights.
LOL, there is no way an 8v GTi would keep up with a Cooper S that was being driven hard, they are seriously nippy machines. My old S40 T4 struggled to stay with one of them and that was way faster than my 8v.......
I love my 8v and think it's a great, cheap daily car with a nice torque curve but keeping up with a Cooper S that's flat out? Sorry but that's funny!
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Mini Cooper S
1.6 3d (04) 7.0 s 138 mph 170 bhp 220 Nm
Didn't relise how nippy they were!
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How many times do I have to say it?
A 1.4 MK3 will trash ANY GTi. When on tow by a Bugatti Veyron
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If we can't get along, then maybe the board should be split down further into MK3 8v and MK3 16v. Only kidding but that's how daft this sort of squabbling is! :smiley:
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This argument is getting really old.
I've already aired my opinion on Kells thread (why was it deleted btw?! :huh:). The short of it is the valver has 35bhp & a sniff of torque over the 8v. That's fact. But at the end of the day, they're the same car. You're only going to notice any difference on the drag strip. On a road, private or otherwise they'll be nothing in it.
As for a MK3 keeping up with a 'flat out' Cooper S? I very much doubt it, it's a small engine but it goes (and handles!) far more than a weighty MK3! :grin:
The only argument really is the 16V engine looks more impressive! :afro:
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This argument is getting really old.
Why keep adding to it then? :rolleyes:
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The 1.4
Fixed. :afro: :laugh:
I've got a lawnmower at home with a bigger engine than that! :wink:
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The 1.4
Fixed. :afro: :laugh:
I've got a lawnmower at home with a bigger engine than that! :wink:
:grin:
I think my 12HP lawnmower gets off the line quicker too. Seems to tow more then my car, the clutch just slips.
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If you want performance buy it straight out the box (dealers). Its no fun when your mates cars are faster than yours, some of my mates cars include a clk 430, r33 skyline gtr, 2 x focus st's, xsara vts and a mate thats ordered a nissan gtr. all of which are miles faster than mine.
None of them cost £1500 and have been totally trouble free for 12 months. I wanted a 16 valver but mine (8v) came up and it seemed right, it feels peppy as long as you dont look at the speedo and is excellent on fuel. I get loads of people who try and race me but there is no point, i know how fast it goes, if they want to know they can buy it off me. At the end of the day if it dont go, then just show.
If you want speed get a turbo or CC's. not a mk3 golf!! :wink:
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8 Valve = Maximum power 116.6 PS (115.0 bhp) (85.8 kW)
@ 5400 rpm
Specific output 58 bhp/litre
0.95 bhp/cu in
Maximum torque 119.0 Nm (88 ft·lb) (12.1 kgm)
@ 4500 rpm
Top speed 200 km/h (124 mph)
16valve = Maximum power
(DIN) 150 PS (110 kW/148 hp)
215 km/h (134 mph)
So there is no argument here, the 16 valve car wins...
Imo which is completely impartial, leave the car as it is and enjoy it for what it is, if you want something quicker, go buy something quicker :smiley:
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We all know the 16v is faster......but
ADY Power 113BHP @5400rpm Torque 166nm 122lb/ft @ 3200rpm
ABF Power 148BHP @6000rpm Torque 180nm 133lb/ft @ 4800rpm
I still say for the way the 8v delivers it torque lower down suits my driving style better :wink:
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Dunno about anyone else, but I like reading these threads, nothing like a good bit of banter to keep things interesting. Could be worse, we could all drive mk4s (Yawn......) :wink:
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We all know the 16v is faster......but
ADY Power 113BHP @5400rpm Torque 166nm 122lb/ft @ 3200rpm
ABF Power 148BHP @6000rpm Torque 180nm 133lb/ft @ 4800rpm
I still say for the way the 8v delivers it torque lower down suits my driving style better :wink:
Agreed, but the guy wants to know how he can make it go faster.... and keep up with his mates car, not what Gti is better :grin: he is gonna love this thread when he comes back to have a look :laugh:
Nothing like a good debate eh :wink:
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This is an interesting topic...
I have recently acquired a MK3 cabrio and when I first drove it I thought it was a bit slow, then found out it was the GTi engine. I did think about trying to improve the power - then I thought about it a bit more and decided that actually, Im happy with it as it is. I love the look of the Cabrio, and all I am doing to it is changing the seats (the current ones are a bit mouldy) and I will probably end up lowering it as well - it just looks much better.
I have seen a Cooper S at rapid pace. I think it would outdo almost any standard spec Golf.
Part of the reason I decided not to make the Golf faster was my love of classic Minis. Ive recently purchased a 2.0 16V Vauxhall redtop engine, and a nice Clubman for it to go in. That should be plenty quick enough. When its done, I'll be taking it to the Burburgring. Should be awesome fun.
But like someone said, it doesn't matter what you own. Someone will always own a faster one.
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ah nothing like a good 'ol debate based almost entirely on pure conjecture, myth and pointless speculation. its amusing how eightyeightmph's pictures of the two different engines show a shining example of the 16v, but a crusty old knackered 8v engine... if the 16vers are so confident then why the need to steer the debate by using these not so subtle underhand tactics?? :nerd:
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I was very surprised i stayed with that cooper S. I was expecting it to fly away, but the look on the dudes face, the way he was driving, and the speed we where doing all added up that the guy must of been giving it all...To be honest, i wasnt expecting my 8v to keep up, not even close, but it did...im not saying 8v are super fast, im just saying what happened to me.
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I was very surprised i stayed with that cooper S. I was expecting it to fly away, but the look on the dudes face, the way he was driving, and the speed we where doing all added up that the guy must of been giving it all...To be honest, i wasnt expecting my 8v to keep up, not even close, but it did...im not saying 8v are super fast, im just saying what happened to me.
Dude, i work for Bmw, and so have driven many mini cooper s's, if you kept up with one in an 8valve mk3 gti........ the guy in the mini wasn't trying :tongue:
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I was very surprised i stayed with that cooper S. I was expecting it to fly away, but the look on the dudes face, the way he was driving, and the speed we where doing all added up that the guy must of been giving it all...To be honest, i wasnt expecting my 8v to keep up, not even close, but it did...im not saying 8v are super fast, im just saying what happened to me.
Dude, i work for Bmw, and so have driven many mini cooper s's, if you kept up with one in an 8valve mk3 gti........ the guy in the mini wasn't trying :tongue:
as i said. im reporting what happened to me. They guy was the typical fella that floors it on the dual carriageway (just like i do)
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I raced a few Coopers in my MK2 16v (149BHP) it was very close
but i found i had the edge a couple of times, Croydon fly over was a good spot for Hair dresser bashing.
Wouldnt try it in my 8v though, the standard cooper though is easy meat keep an eye out for the bonnet scoop (Lack of) before planting it!
MK3s look better than all the others and id rather have a golf full stop and ive had a few cars :wink:
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Still no 8v gonna take up my challenge then?
All mouth no action!
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Croydon fly over was a good spot for Hair dresser bashing.
I love the Croydon flyover :D
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Still no 8v gonna take up my challenge then?
All mouth no action!
Croydon flyover any time, your car looks good from the back :grin:
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Still no 8v gonna take up my challenge then?
All mouth no action!
Your car looks FANTASTIC from the back :grin:
Why thank you kind sir! :smug:
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I would give it a go any day len. lol
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Where and when?
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Where and when?
when hes down for the oxford meet :wink: :grin:
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Deal :wink:
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Where and when?
when hes down for the oxford meet :wink: :grin:
even though they are taking decs valver. :grin:
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Len has a severe power/weight disadvantage. Whoever goes up against him will need some ballast to make it fair.
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nah even with that will still p!ss all over an 8v! :grin:
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ha ha i enjoying this one it a first for me unlike many on this thread i hav always tried to buy the top spec or fastest car in the range last car clio sport 172 cup been up against many mini s i beat them but not buy much lol but when a ballast and new bulb costs 400 quid i pick my golf 8v any day i wouldn't mind a bit more poke but since it lowered it a laugh on b roads and it ticks my box on commuting.
oh and here another story to pokes holes in i pulled away from a subaru wrx on a large loop bend very well known to me a8000 from newbridge to forth raod bridge and yes the guy was hunting me, cutting up the traffic and pratically(spelling) ate my bumper off when he caught me ha ha but i aint right in the head and yes the second we were out the loop he tore me a new one. but that wot these golfs r 4 i think having a go when u know there aint a chance lol
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plus i seen 135 on the clock (private road lol) speedo prob out ha ha ha but it fun trying.