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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Din on 31 January 2009, 21:34
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Right, first technical post...
I got my golf this week, im quite enjoying it, took it for a run to chippenam and back today and gave it a good few hard throttles :smiley: its almost as quick as my old car and twice as smooth...although 22.9 mpg :undecided:
Now, seeing as its got a few miles on it (135000) and having read a bit about timing chain failure, i feel i should get mine done really.
So i have got a full timing chain kit here and a new clutch kit for good measure, my question is, how much of a job is it to remove the gearbox, dont get me wrong, i am a mechanic and have had many boxes out, but not on a golf vr6, i bought a load of spline sockets for the drive shafts and such but im just wondering if there are any really awkward bits ?
Any little tips welcomed for when i get around to doing it :smiley:
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To be honest the quickest way is to remove engine and gear box then split on the floor gives you so much more room.
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:shocked: wwhhhaaatt.......... i aint taking the bloody engine out as well, cant you just do the norm and remove the battery and tray plus any other awkward bits up top, dissconnect the gear selector cables etc, romove the wheels, drive shafts etc then unbolt the bellhousing bolts and simply drop the box on the floor ???
I dont have an engine crane at home, just a trolly jack :grin:
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It can be done with the engine in situ, but there isn't very much room.
It would be a lot easier to support the engine, and move it over to give yourself more room.
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It can be done with the engine in situ, but there isn't very much room.
It would be a lot easier to support the engine, and move it over to give yourself more room.
What about subframe wise ? do that have to be removed or is there enough clearence to drop the box out underneath ?
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It can be done with the engine in situ, but there isn't very much room.
It would be a lot easier to support the engine, and move it over to give yourself more room.
What about subframe wise ? do that have to be removed or is there enough clearence to drop the box out underneath ?
I worked in a Vw specialists for 4 1/2 yrs, we struggled to get the gearbox out with the use of a ramp, the subframe will need to removed as well, you going to struggle doing it on axle stands etc as you will not get the front of the car high enough.
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You do not need to remove the subframe. I did the job with a mate years back with just axle stands, it will come out, but be warned its very hard to get the box back in.
Go with my original suggestion.
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Now.. correct me if i am wrong but dont they usualy take the engine out of the VR6 to do the timing chain? I know its possible to leave it in but if its that much easier to do the timing chain with the engine out.. and easier to take the box off with it out... then just take it out. its not much worse than the box tbh :smiley:
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Now.. correct me if i am wrong but dont they usualy take the engine out of the VR6 to do the timing chain? I know its possible to leave it in but if its that much easier to do the timing chain with the engine out.. and easier to take the box off with it out... then just take it out. its not much worse than the box tbh :smiley:
Correct you don't need to but it is a lot easier to do with the engine out of the car.
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think vw dub take everything out thats why its so dear £1200 to replace chain
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think vw dub take everything out thats why its so dear £1200 to replace chain
Crikey! im glad I dont own one of these :laugh: :sick:
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Hmmm, food for thought i suppose :undecided: i took a good look under the bonnet the other day and there seems to be a fair amount of room tbh, i dont need the box right out, just on the floor.
I could do it at work on ramps, but if i didnt finish it in a day i would be abit stuck...
Think i shall wait for the weather to warm up a little and just rip in to it, as suggested the most difficult thing when doing this kind of job on stands is getting the box back in imho.
As and when i do it i shall let you all know how it goes :wink:
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vw told me £1200 to replace the chain but would do it for £600 all in as they dont get that many n would be good for the mechanics to do one
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vw told me £1200 to replace the chain but would do it for £600 all in as they dont get that many n would be good for the mechanics to do one
Lol, half price as the techs might learn something :grin:
I havent done much to mine....the weather has somewhat put me off, but i did go out for an hour the other day and removed the top half of the inlet manifold and the rocker cover... just to shine a torch on to the upper chain guide.
And, there is a small amount of damage to it, where the lower bolt holds the guide rail to the block, there is a small chunk of plastic missing, its whizzed around the chain and wedged itself right at the front under the guide rail.
So rather than putting it back together i have left it as it is, perhaps it will spur me on to get it done quicker :smiley:
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/DSC00325.jpg)
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For those of you who are even remotely interested... i did a little bit more at the weekend...
I removed the upper timeing chain cover, timed up the engine and removed the upper guide rail.
On a peculier note, with the top timed up the bottem was out by almost a centimeter out :shocked: i could turn the crank back to get it in time but that shows a huge amount of slack in the chains .....
Anyways, a few more pics to show the damage to the upper guide rail.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/DSC00388.jpg)
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I took the gerbox out of my gti today and that was a proper ball ache. Ended up taking engine out then splitting on the ground as getting really annoying in such as small are. The first time i've done it though and didn't have the correct spline socket to remove drive shafts so dropped sub frame to :laugh: :grin:. Must buy more tools!!!
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The first time i've done it though and didn't have the correct spline socket to remove drive shafts so dropped sub frame to :laugh: :grin:. Must buy more tools!!!
I went out and bought a rail of spline sockets for that purpose :smiley: i have had a few boxes out of a few cars on the drive, and countless more at work with ramps.... i give another update over the weekend :smiley:
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Me and my bro spent most of today on the golf, and made fantastic progress,
Oh and to those who say take the engine out............ you bloody wimps :nyah:
So a few pics for anyone interested :)
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This clutch had 135000 miles on it believe it or not :o
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And back to the chains...
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And end of play today,
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Thanx for posting this up. Well done for doing it yourself too. We now have proof you dont have to take the engine out to do the timing chain. Did you not need an engine hoist or similar? or was that block under the sump enough to support it? :cool:
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. Did you not need an engine hoist or similar? or was that block under the sump enough to support it? :cool:
No hoist :smiley: just a jack and block under the sump and another jack under the box, the only real headache is getting the box out as the pasanger side output flange gets wedged on the flywheel as you try to remove it.... just takes a bit of fiddleing to get it out.
Tell you what, i could not justify paying £1200.00 to get this job done, the car is hardly worth that.
Should be done by sunday :wink:
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Fair play, takes balls to do this.
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Good result
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Ok, had to go out this morning to do a headgasket on a friends rover 800 vittesse turbo, that took 5 bloody hours so i didnt get back to the golf until 2.30 :rolleyes:
But im pleased to say progress was still good.
Timing chains are now fitted and timed correctly, upper and lower covers on, new rear main oil seal fitted, flywheel and brand spanking new clutch kit fitted and gearbox and all engine mounts now attatched.
Twas a long day though as i had no breakfast... or lunch.... gonna order a curry shortly lol.
So, i reckon by lunchtime tomorrow i will have my fully working Vr6 back :smiley:
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No pics today, (been working hard :wink:) but... the job was 100% a complete success :laugh: fired first turn of the crank and is now running spot on :grin:
Proof, it can be done on a drive in a weekend :smiley:
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NIce one mate.
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Good result.
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NIce one mate.
thanks mate :smiley:, well chuffed with the result tbh, thats what you call job satisfaction :grin:
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Yeh as said well done, could only dream of doing a job like this myself, saved yourself alot of cash aswell which is a big bonus.
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Proof, it can be done on a drive in a weekend :smiley:
Hi
Well done. Thanks for the photos. We had a 2.9 VR6 with original chains at 215012 miles.
I am at a loss to figure why you needed to do them at 125000.
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Proof, it can be done on a drive in a weekend :smiley:
Hi
Well done. Thanks for the photos. We had a 2.9 VR6 with original chains at 215012 miles.
I am at a loss to figure why you needed to do them at 125000.
I am shocked yous lasted that long, a lot are getting them breaking a lot sooner.
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looks like a big job from them pictures, well done mate :smiley:
enjoy a few beers now its all done
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Proof, it can be done on a drive in a weekend :smiley:
Hi
Well done. Thanks for the photos. We had a 2.9 VR6 with original chains at 215012 miles.
I am at a loss to figure why you needed to do them at 125000.
It was 135000 :wink: and if you looked at the pics on the first page you would see there is quite clearly damage to the upper guide rail, also there as a whole centimeter of slack in those chains going by the timing makes...
Google vr6 timing chains and have a look at just how many have failed at around the 120k mark, and the damage done...
It was really for peace of mind :smiley:
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Eh you've given me some motivation to change the clutch on mine. Only a 1.4 loads of room.
Just gotta get a guide now. Doesn't really matter if I mess it up, car was mainly a learning project anyway.
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Eh you've given me some motivation to change the clutch on mine. Only a 1.4 loads of room.
Just gotta get a guide now. Doesn't really matter if I mess it up, car was mainly a learning project anyway.
Just make sure you pick the right weekend (weather wise :grin:), there will be loads of room on a 1.4, i used to have the 1.48v lump in a Seat ibiza a had for a while..... you dont get much easyer imo.