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Offline Zoid

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Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« on: 10 June 2004, 22:31 »
Just thought I'd start this post so you can keep us all updated on how the conversion is going and it performs.... it's being done at designadubs right?

Any news, pics of progress yet?

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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #1 on: 10 June 2004, 22:52 »
I think the whole site is wanting to know!  Maybe even dizzie, you see his post earlier complaning!! Blimey, think he is a tad pissed off!

I would be having to drive a micra!!! :P
« Last Edit: 10 June 2004, 22:53 by Mixologist »

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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2004, 22:55 »
I don't know if this is a step up or down, but mum is off to london to be with my sister who's in hospital so I'm now in a 1.1 Fiesta LX that costs ?5 a day to borrow from work.

The Golf is once again scheduled to be collected on friday the 18th. They're going to do their best to make this deadline, only time will tell now.

Meanwhile my tax disc is still lost in the post so off to the local DVLA office to get another on monday morning. ?7! paper must be going up like petrol ;)

Loads of pics will be posted as soon as some get taken. Meanwhile I'm building new door pods. ;D (see thread in audio section)
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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #3 on: 11 June 2004, 23:12 »
Dizzie is the conversion being done at designadubs? I'm interested in this conversion, what engine is being used i.e. Golf 4 150bhp, 180bhp or Audi TT 225bhp (i think), also I assume they get hold of the engine from crashed cars?

What happens with the catalytic converter, as the engine is post cat standards, but the car the engine is going into is pre cat standards?

Do they use the 20vt gearbox, and do you need to have any mods done to the transmission to get the extra power down?

And does the 20vt engine fit straight in, or do the engine mounts need modification?
« Last Edit: 11 June 2004, 23:14 by Zoid »

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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #4 on: 12 June 2004, 01:35 »
* Dizzie takes deep breath

right. Designa Dubs are doing the conversion.

I wouldn't bother with the golf's engines tbh. The conversion at DD will cost ?4250+VAT (?4999). A lot of money you'll be paying for 30bhp odd increase. One of the earlier 20vT heads actually had larger valves than the rest. I can't remember which one though. AGU? the 150bhp 20v's also have weaker internals than the others. the 225 has a slightly lower CR of 8:1 compared to 8.5:1 with all the rest. I also heard somewhere that the VVT heads only give a 2-3% increase in power.

My engine is from a Audi TT. It's the 180bhp version as the 225's are less easy to find. I could of waited for a 225bhp version, but after talking with Prash Reedy about his 180bhp TT lump that's running 270bhp I was happy with my choice. My engine actually came from REVO, but most come from insurrance write offs. DD don't use engines with less than 10k on the clock or more than 15k. So the quality 'should' still be there, although already run in.

The cat took it's rightfull home in the skip ;D The MOT rules go on the year of the car. 1987 then :D Which is sweet cos without it it unlocks a fair few Gee Gee's. i've been told after removing the cat and a few other bits and bobs the 180 engine can easily be running 225/230bhp. Plenty to start with ;) Also adds ammo to the "why didn't you buy a new car" arguement.

I'm using a mk4 20vT 'box as the TT one is 4wd. This has a Hydraulic clutch and is cable change so modifications have to be made to the pedals and shifter. I'll probably hate the clutch now as I loved mine being right at the top of the pedal travel. I think the trottle is now running drive-by-wire aswell.

Does it fit straight in? yes and no. From what I've read on the interweb 2 of the 3 mounts bolts straight in. the other has to be removed from the old mk2 engine. not a problem.

the management I'm running is the 'standard' VAG one using all 16 sensors. When I first contacted them Paul (who's now left DD) told me the Motec standalone management only uses 8 seonsors and VAG had spent A LOT of $$ (or should I say DM) getting this right. I think everyone will agree the 20vT is one fine motor in terms of tuning. Unfortunally for thieves (and us) they also incorperated the imobiliser circuit into practically everything. The clocks, the key, the ecu. Aparently REVO have just finished some code to remove that ECU part. Basically the whole management loom has to be installed. Cos I had the older K-jet 8v there wasn't much to take out. Snowball has S3 clocks in his mk3 dash so I'm hoping mounting the TT ones shouldn't pose too much hard work.

A custom downpipe has to be fabricated to join the TT's manifold to the mk2's exhaust. Powerflow are making mine. That just means you can run any mk2 exhaust from the downpipe back. Once I've got some more pennies I'll get powerflow to make up a whole system.

ok
the above is only what I've been told / heard from other people. It could be (and probably is) BS. ;D

anything else?
« Last Edit: 12 June 2004, 01:43 by Dizzie »
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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #5 on: 12 June 2004, 02:05 »
did you consider any other engine conversion dizzie? ???

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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #6 on: 12 June 2004, 07:08 »
Sounds good Dizzie. Have powerflow actually started making your exhaust? If not you might want to consider these guys......Tony Law exhausts, sorry cant find the number or even  http://www.jpexhausts.co.uk
top companies. Have a chat you might be surprised.

BTW still want them alloys as someone is after them?

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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #7 on: 12 June 2004, 11:15 »
and one more question :D.......

did you put in the mk4 dash to make it more compatible with the engine?

any one got the new pvw mag?
TT dashes in dubs look cool man 8)

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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #8 on: 12 June 2004, 14:10 »
other engines? I've wanted a turbo for ages and the 20v seemed like the best plan. I like the sound the VR6 makes, but I've heard it's a fairly heavy engine and it would be better to put the 4 pot in instead.

I put a mk3 dash in. The only part you need to be more compatible is the clocks and I think these can be mounted in easy enough.

I have the new PVW mag. Every other car has a Tt dash. Personally I don't think the TT dash in a mk2 and the mk3 looks at home. Plus finding a complete TT dash for less than ?500 is tricky. my mk3 one only cost me ?35.
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Re:Dizzie's 20vT conversion
« Reply #9 on: 14 June 2004, 13:49 »
Hi Dizzie
Had my mk2 back no for about 3 months! I had the same engine as you are havin fitted (180 bhp 20v t).
Its really good fun and beleave me mate its worth the wait! ;D
Which intercooler are you using because i had one made up by radtec!
Im havin and exhaust made by powerflow an its been fitted on wednesday and its been re-mapped!
Hope u have plenty of spare cash to get used to the cahnge in power cause i manage to go through my 1st set of tryres in about 1500 miles but its well worth the fun u'll have!
All the best
Mick  ; :)