mk2 vr6 or abf??????

[Goops]

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Sounds yummy!

[AudiA8Quattro]

A few years back the golf mag were rolling road testing obdII vr6's, all of them came out about 190bhp with no mods.

Yeah this is mythical rubbish I'm yet to see any concrete proof of a side by side comparison of the 2 VR engines onthe same day on the same rollers. It's the same old sh!te we got with edition 30 owners claiming they were actually putting out 250+ bhp. The 2.9 VR in the Rado is 190bhp though.

Nick

I can't answer whether it is a myth or not Nick, as i'm only going on what i read in a magazine.
All i will say is i borrowed a really good mk3 16v a couple of years back, it used to be owned by a former forum member, it was rolling roaded at 150bhp, and it wasn't a touch on the vr i used to own.
Although it was still an excellent car.
Unfortunately its so long ago, i haven't got the magazine. It was only OBDII vr's that were achieving those figures. Interesting that the corrado lump is only slighty bigger than the golf one, the golf being 2792 and the corrado being 2861. I'm not sure why the corrado makes so much more power, can anyone answer that?
I'm also very sceptical that an ABF even with a remap will get near a vr6. I've heard the 'detuned' theory before, but i've never seen any proof myself.
I'm not sure why 16v owners always knock vr6's, can anyone answer that? 

[Horney]

Corrado VR has a different inlet manifold I think, this plus the extra CC's help boost the power.

Nick

[AudiA8Quattro]

The difference in cc is only about 61, i wouldn't of thought that and an inlet manifold would give an extra 16bhp.
Maybe its got better cams and a more free flowing exhaust.
Either way the vr6 is a better engine than a 16v, well in my opinion anyway 

[RO83]

ideal some good points of view there, but wat about differences between insurance fuel consumption tax etc

[RO83]

mines eaten vr6's 

so wat exactly are u runnin to eat the vr

[danny_p]

mines eaten vr6's 

so wat exactly are u runnin to eat the vr

striped out mk2 syncro with then a stanadard ABF bar exhaust.  in straight line the vr was quite close,   down the b roads and lanes  it was left for dead. 

[Diamond Hell]

ABF: easy and reliable 170bhp from 2.0 litres: 86.5bhp per litre

VR6 180bhp from 2.8 litres: 64bhp per litre

If it was 'as good' as an ABF it'd deliver +240bhp

So where's the missing 50-60bhp, eh?

[AudiA8Quattro]

Who cares? I prefer V8's nowadays 

[AudiA8Quattro]

ABF: easy and reliable 170bhp from 2.0 litres: 86.5bhp per litre

VR6 180bhp from 2.8 litres: 64bhp per litre

If it was 'as good' as an ABF it'd deliver +240bhp

So where's the missing 50-60bhp, eh?

Just out of interest, how do you cheaply add 20bhp to an NA engine?