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Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« on: 21 October 2008, 10:25 »
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3552517

Is this one legal or illegal?

Pity TT aint here to yell and scream  :evil:.

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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #1 on: 21 October 2008, 10:29 »
Funny you should mention that, this guy popped up Yesterday, i know there not the same but there is a bit of a discussion on the legality.


                           http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=95314.0

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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #2 on: 21 October 2008, 10:31 »
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3552517

Is this one legal or illegal?

Pity TT aint here to yell and scream  :evil:.

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Can't make out from the pics, but the only legal issue may be the lack of headlight washers as this is a legal requirement (in the UK anyway) with Xenon lighting.

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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #3 on: 21 October 2008, 10:37 »
Thats what I thought...

In SA we can have Xenons without the washers too. So illegal for the UK and legal for the rest of the world? Interesting.

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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #4 on: 21 October 2008, 10:46 »
After market HIDs are not illegal as long as they pass the beam alignment test.

Washers are also not a legal requirement when fitted after it has left the factory. The washers are only required on cars that are built in factories (so standard xenons that come with the car) You cant fail an MOT for something you do not have to test, a good example is the spare tyre in some cars; if its bold just take it out before the test, if they cant check its bold they cant fail you!

I have aftermarket HIDs and it flew through the MOT last week. Its now passed in a Honda garage and my local garage.

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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #5 on: 21 October 2008, 11:07 »
After market HIDs are not illegal as long as they pass the beam alignment test.

Washers are also not a legal requirement when fitted after it has left the factory. The washers are only required on cars that are built in factories (so standard xenons that come with the car) You cant fail an MOT for something you do not have to test, a good example is the spare tyre in some cars; if its bold just take it out before the test, if they cant check its bold they cant fail you!

I have aftermarket HIDs and it flew through the MOT last week. Its now passed in a Honda garage and my local garage.

Horney posted this in a similar debat yesterday  :wink:

Fact sheet: Aftermarket HID headlamps
December 2006
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR

Telephone: 020 7944 2078
Fax: 020 7944 2196
Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk

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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #6 on: 21 October 2008, 11:09 »
The main point is the self leveling. Badly adjusted normal lights are annoying, badly adjusted after market HID's are a danger to other drivers. This is why don't want them fitted in the aftermarket. There is nothing stopping them comin gout of adjustment and being a danger between MOT's. Also the lenses need to be correct for HID otherwise the beam pattern is wrong and worse case they melt.

99% of the time you can fit them to anything and you'll be fine but I understand why they don't want them fitted to any old car.

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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #7 on: 21 October 2008, 11:13 »
yes there should be a self leveling piece of kit on the rear axle, which all OEM Xenon have to have, as for washers, not the end of the world.
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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #8 on: 21 October 2008, 11:15 »
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3552517

Is this one legal or illegal?

Pity TT aint here to yell and scream  :evil:.

Mike


As others have stated, providing it has the headlamp washers, and the headlamps are the proper OEM units specifically designed for the HID bulbs (which it seems they are) - then they are legal.  :smiley:

Oh, and the auto leveling system is correctly calibrated.  :wink:
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Re: Golf V GTI OEM Xenon Installation Completed
« Reply #9 on: 21 October 2008, 11:18 »
Intersting.

Quick question. Why does the UK have it as a law that washers must be present? Do you know?

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