understeer comments with new tyres [1500 mile update added]

[Teutonic_Tamer]

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At the risk of sounding smug

you got an LSD Robin , never realised   

It isnt actually a "limited slip" diff, but actually an "automatic torque bias-ing" diff - crucial differences between the two.

[Egbutt Wash]

....
At the risk of sounding smug

you got an LSD Robin , never realised   

....Oh! Let me tell you more.............................................................................

One mans experience is worth 100 'experts'.

[RedRobin]

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At the risk of sounding smug , one albeit much more expensive but extremely effective way of reducing understeer and increasing traction/grip is to install a Quaiffe ATB diff. It truly does transform a Mk5 GTI's handling at all speeds in both wet and dry conditions.

Sorry, but completely disagree.  Grip and traction is only determined, in the final instances, by the abilities of the tyre.  You can have the best possible diff in the world, but if you have shyte tyres, you will still be heading for the ditch.  And do tell us how a diff will help with braking grip, aquaplaning resistance, ride comfort, tyre noise - not to mention everything associated with the undriven rear tyres? 

Yes, the Quaife ATB diff does work, but you are "bigging it up" way beyond its actual capabilities.

.... I completely agree with you!!

All I'm bigging up is that, imo, if you take exactly the same environment and conditions of road surface and tyres, and were able to test the car with and then without the ATB diff installed, then when ATB equipped, the car (Mk5 GTI) would handle it with far less understeer and better grip/traction.

Of course this doesn't apply to aquaplaning, braking grip, etc - Surely you didn't think I was claiming so.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

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At the risk of sounding smug , one albeit much more expensive but extremely effective way of reducing understeer and increasing traction/grip is to install a Quaiffe ATB diff. It truly does transform a Mk5 GTI's handling at all speeds in both wet and dry conditions.

Sorry, but completely disagree.  Grip and traction is only determined, in the final instances, by the abilities of the tyre.  You can have the best possible diff in the world, but if you have shyte tyres, you will still be heading for the ditch.  And do tell us how a diff will help with braking grip, aquaplaning resistance, ride comfort, tyre noise - not to mention everything associated with the undriven rear tyres? 

Yes, the Quaife ATB diff does work, but you are "bigging it up" way beyond its actual capabilities.

.... I completely agree with you!!

All I'm bigging up is that, imo, if you take exactly the same environment and conditions of road surface and tyres, and were able to test the car with and then without the ATB diff installed, then when ATB equipped, the car (Mk5 GTI) would handle it with far less understeer and better grip/traction.

Of course this doesn't apply to aquaplaning, braking grip, etc - Surely you didn't think I was claiming so.

I know you well enough to know what you are saying (I hope  :embarassed:) - but the was an element of what you said which could be misunderstood by the casual reader - especially being as this thread is about tyres.     

[Teutonic_Tamer]

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At the risk of sounding smug

you got an LSD Robin , never realised   

....Oh! Let me tell you more.............................................................................

One mans experience is worth 100 'experts'.

So being as you are neither a man, nor an expert, what category do you fall into? 

[RedRobin]

I know you well enough to know what you are saying (I hope  :embarassed:) - but the was an element of what you said which could be misunderstood by the casual reader - especially being as this thread is about tyres.     

....Furry muff, aka fur enuff, aka fair enough - Yes you do know me well enough to usually see what I'm trying to say. I must admit that I never think about 'outsiders' reading our posts and probably/possibly/definitely/maybe totally misinterpreting our pearls of wisdom!

Cheers!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I know you well enough to know what you are saying (I hope  :embarassed:) - but the was an element of what you said which could be misunderstood by the casual reader - especially being as this thread is about tyres.     

....Furry muff, aka fur enuff, aka fair enough - Yes you do know me well enough to usually see what I'm trying to say. I must admit that I never think about 'outsiders' reading our posts and probably/possibly/definitely/maybe totally misinterpreting our pearls of wisdom!

Cheers!

I don't know if JV has any stats, but I bet there are an aweful lot of lurkers who read but don't actually post.  And then there are the Google spiders and the likes, which basically rip a copy the page, and store it in their own "off-line" cache for all the world to see! 

[RedRobin]

I know you well enough to know what you are saying (I hope  :embarassed:) - but the was an element of what you said which could be misunderstood by the casual reader - especially being as this thread is about tyres.     

....Furry muff, aka fur enuff, aka fair enough - Yes you do know me well enough to usually see what I'm trying to say. I must admit that I never think about 'outsiders' reading our posts and probably/possibly/definitely/maybe totally misinterpreting our pearls of wisdom!

Cheers!

I don't know if JV has any stats, but I bet there are an aweful lot of lurkers who read but don't actually post.  And then there are the Google spiders and the likes, which basically rip a copy the page, and store it in their own "off-line" cache for all the world to see! 

....Oh well, after over 20,000 posts on Tyresmoke and thousands elsewhere, changing my habits now would be like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I know you well enough to know what you are saying (I hope  :embarassed:) - but the was an element of what you said which could be misunderstood by the casual reader - especially being as this thread is about tyres.     

....Furry muff, aka fur enuff, aka fair enough - Yes you do know me well enough to usually see what I'm trying to say. I must admit that I never think about 'outsiders' reading our posts and probably/possibly/definitely/maybe totally misinterpreting our pearls of wisdom!

Cheers!

I don't know if JV has any stats, but I bet there are an aweful lot of lurkers who read but don't actually post.  And then there are the Google spiders and the likes, which basically rip a copy the page, and store it in their own "off-line" cache for all the world to see! 

....Oh well, after over 20,000 posts on Tyresmoke and thousands elsewhere, changing my habits now would be like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!

LOL!