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Offline R32UK

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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #80 on: 09 September 2008, 19:12 »
Just getting back to the twitch of the Haldex... the first couple of times I really pushed my car the twitch nearly put me in a ditch! but as you learn to drive it properly it definately becomes less apparent. With the ESP OFF you can hardly notice it there at all..

If you look through most of the R32 reviews you will find that all the professional drivers that have driven the R32 say its a fantastic car with awsome handling capabilities... I guess you just have to have the skill to get the most out of it.

I know it has been refered to on numerous occasions but the fact that it was faster round the TG track is just one piece of evidence highlighting this. Esp as we know that the ED30 is definately no slouch and has a better power/weight ratio that the R32. Again evidence that the haldex system works and works very well... if you know how to use it! imo :smiley:

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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #81 on: 09 September 2008, 19:12 »


They are probably getting a bit pi$$ed off with me blagging the keys to their motors - recently the Q7 3.0TDI, along with the latest RS6 Avant - awesome car, and it does handle too!

Were I to have the money, I'd forget about 335i and have gone for RS6 sedan. Awesome looking cars these RS6!

You gotta stay in the VAG family.  Afterall, the BMW 3 series is just a German's Ford Mondeo!  :sick:
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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #82 on: 09 September 2008, 19:22 »
Just getting back to the twitch of the Haldex... the first couple of times I really pushed my car the twitch nearly put me in a ditch! but as you learn to drive it properly it definately becomes less apparent. With the ESP OFF you can hardly notice it there at all..

I don't doubt you there.  :wink:  :smiley:

If you look through most of the R32 reviews you will find that all the professional drivers that have driven the R32 say its a fantastic car with awsome handling capabilities... I guess you just have to have the skill to get the most out of it.

But that is not the real crux of the issue.  Not every R32 or Haldex owner will have the skill of the so-called "professional drivers".  Many will just be your average joe public, who for 95% of the time, drives like "miss daisy".  Then when they do occasionally venture into the limits of handling, they may get their arse bitten!

I know it has been refered to on numerous occasions but the fact that it was faster round the TG track is just one piece of evidence highlighting this. Esp as we know that the ED30 is definately no slouch and has a better power/weight ratio that the R32. Again evidence that the haldex system works and works very well... if you know how to use it! imo :smiley:

Again, not a fair and real world comparison.  The TG test track is absolutely massive - hugely wide with massive run-off areas, with no armco, hedges, dry-stone walls, ditches, telegraph poles, bus stops, etc.  By using all those masses of reserves to play with, you can make cars do things which would be utterly impossible on normal roads.  A much better comparison for a circuit would be somewhere like Cadwell Park, which is fairly narrow, or the IoM mountain course, which uses real every-day roads.  And I think in this much truer environment which I am suggesting - is where the limitations of Haldex are shown!  :wink:  :smiley:
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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #83 on: 09 September 2008, 19:58 »
Some fair points there TT.... But the idea of the TG track would be to stay on the racing line.. as you would in any car.

 But you can only judge a car by what you put in front of it. IMO your much more likely to understeer into a hedge in a FWD than you are a Hadlex operated AWD... but if your not an experienced driver then you could probably do it in anything as opposed to the cars we are talking about.


Either way.. i find that if your rash with the haldex it will kick out. Know what your doing and planned out before you even get to a corner and it will behave exactly how you want it to and fly out if a corner like its on rails.

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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #84 on: 09 September 2008, 21:51 »
hurdys had a spin in the TTS. Ask him and im sure he will supply!  :smiley:

Oh?

Hurdy, I made a cuppa tea and planted myself infront of my laptop, waiting for the great story telling to begin.
But, please, be objective.

OK, you may start... now!

I bet your cuppa tea is cold now Peskarik :wink:

The TTS is a very good looking car in coupe guise. Only had a brief play in one, but enough to know that at nearly £40k with options that it isn't worth it. Compared with the S3 it feels more agile and planted on the road. It isn't necessarily fast, but that feeling may come from the fact it is well sorted. With a remap it would be a very interesting piece of machinery. I couldn't get the back end to move much as it was dry - and I did try. :cool:
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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #85 on: 10 September 2008, 08:37 »
Im not sure what it is about the TTS but every time I see one I am not drawn to looking at it. Its almost like if you have seen one you have seen them all. Unlike a Golf where you like to look at each and every one as they are quite individual.

I cant quite pin it but looking at a TT when a guy is driving almost feels gay... Not that I would know what it feels like of course  :rolleyes: :wink:

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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #86 on: 10 September 2008, 20:40 »
hurdys had a spin in the TTS. Ask him and im sure he will supply!  :smiley:

Oh?

Hurdy, I made a cuppa tea and planted myself infront of my laptop, waiting for the great story telling to begin.
But, please, be objective.

OK, you may start... now!

I bet your cuppa tea is cold now Peskarik :wink:

The TTS is a very good looking car in coupe guise. Only had a brief play in one, but enough to know that at nearly £40k with options that it isn't worth it. Compared with the S3 it feels more agile and planted on the road. It isn't necessarily fast, but that feeling may come from the fact it is well sorted. With a remap it would be a very interesting piece of machinery. I couldn't get the back end to move much as it was dry - and I did try. :cool:

yeah, it is ice tea now, but I'm cool with that, too.  :smiley:

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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #87 on: 10 September 2008, 20:43 »

You gotta stay in the VAG family.  Afterall, the BMW 3 series is just a German's Ford Mondeo!  :sick:

I am not attracted to A5/S5, so for me there is no alternative to 335i Coupe in VAG family.

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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #88 on: 11 September 2008, 09:17 »
I think the A5 is an awful design, have you seen the size of the wing mirrors, they're huuuuuge!
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Re: VeeDub vs FourRings....
« Reply #89 on: 11 September 2008, 09:48 »
I think the A5 is an awful design, have you seen the size of the wing mirrors, they're huuuuuge!

I will second that! The a5 does absolutely nothing for me... like I am sure I have said on a previous post, if you were to take a4 squash it and pull it a little, you would end up with a5. Designers were obviously on holiday!