Debate about open fog grills....

[Teutonic_Tamer]

My car is now worthless  Superchips Bluefin AND open fog light grilles!!!!!!     

  i know, but at least TTs car will be the perfect example in 15 years time 

I wish!    Spend too much time on here for my own good!  :embarassed:

Some really usefull content as ever T_T!

Thanks. 

It's just a shame most of them are aimed at my mods,

Oh, fcuk - I'm not ganging up on you - honest!   

but hey, you pay your money you take's your chance's!!  And above all else, im still smiling 

Absolutely - and fully agree.  However, there is a lot of wrong info on these.  To quote the Fischer Motorsport site as an example - they clearly state something along the lines that they provide additional cooling to the front brakes - which is horsesh!t - but someone might believe them, and buy them under false pretenses.

At the end of the day though, we all make mistakes, even with our purchases - FFS, I bought two brand new Vectras       - but I can still take the piss out of myself for that major indescretion! 

[RedRobin]

TT - I just got in from road testing my ultra lightweight performance enhancing carbonfibre paddles! I'll return to this thread a little later, buddy. But I'll say now that I'm really pleased that you and I can have these discussions without getting the hump with each other like we have been known to do in the past.

Just a quick comment on my extreme enthusiasm and the horn behind an open grill subject - I no longer have one of the stock horns located there because I have twin air horns mounted on the other side. You see, I'm only part English and so don't have much of that English reserve!

Catch ya soon with your good friends Fritz and Helmut.

[Hurdy]

I've seen the open grilles and the plastic honeycomb sections look fairly flimsy.

Yeah.  When you compare the fog grilles with the lower centre one, the depth of the honeycombe lattice on the fogs is, what, about 5mm deep.  Whereas the lower centre grille is about 25mm deep, and considerably more rigid.  A pheasant can make a massive mess of the centre grille, so the open sides will just disintegrate! 

With them being located where they are, wouldn't they be quite vulnerable to damage - even from smallish stones?

No more so than anywhere else on the front of the car - so shouldn't really be an issue. 

Sorry, I missed making my own point there. The point was, could VW have removed the open grilles due to poor impact resistance?

[Teutonic_Tamer]

TT - I just got in from road testing my ultra lightweight performance enhancing carbonfibre paddles! I'll return to this thread a little later, buddy. But I'll say now that I'm really pleased that you and I can have these discussions without getting the hump with each other like we have been known to do in the past.

      

Just a quick comment on my extreme enthusiasm and the horn behind an open grill subject - I no longer have one of the stock horns located there because I have twin air horns mounted on the other side. You see, I'm only part English and so don't have much of that English reserve!

You and your horns!   

Catch ya soon with your good friends Fritz and Helmut.

They're trying to get me pissed on some wheat beer!  Just donning my Lederhosens <sp?>   

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I've seen the open grilles and the plastic honeycomb sections look fairly flimsy.

Yeah.  When you compare the fog grilles with the lower centre one, the depth of the honeycombe lattice on the fogs is, what, about 5mm deep.  Whereas the lower centre grille is about 25mm deep, and considerably more rigid.  A pheasant can make a massive mess of the centre grille, so the open sides will just disintegrate! 

With them being located where they are, wouldn't they be quite vulnerable to damage - even from smallish stones?

No more so than anywhere else on the front of the car - so shouldn't really be an issue. 

Sorry, I missed making my own point there. The point was, could VW have removed the open grilles due to poor impact resistance?

Ahh, I see.  Good comment - I'll have a think. 

Just to clarify, which open grilles are you specifically referring to?  The original 4-hole pre-production ones, or the retro-fit "hot climate" ones? 

[Hurdy]

I've seen the open grilles and the plastic honeycomb sections look fairly flimsy.

Yeah.  When you compare the fog grilles with the lower centre one, the depth of the honeycombe lattice on the fogs is, what, about 5mm deep.  Whereas the lower centre grille is about 25mm deep, and considerably more rigid.  A pheasant can make a massive mess of the centre grille, so the open sides will just disintegrate! 

With them being located where they are, wouldn't they be quite vulnerable to damage - even from smallish stones?

No more so than anywhere else on the front of the car - so shouldn't really be an issue. 

Sorry, I missed making my own point there. The point was, could VW have removed the open grilles due to poor impact resistance?

Ahh, I see.  Good comment - I'll have a think. 

Just to clarify, which open grilles are you specifically referring to?  The original 4-hole pre-production ones, or the retro-fit "hot climate" ones? 

The retro fit ones particularly. I wouldn't have thought the original 4-hole ones would have been sensitive to damage.

[stealthwolf]

I go with the old adage if it ain't broke, don't fix it, so why did VW 'fix' something?

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I've seen the open grilles and the plastic honeycomb sections look fairly flimsy.

Yeah.  When you compare the fog grilles with the lower centre one, the depth of the honeycombe lattice on the fogs is, what, about 5mm deep.  Whereas the lower centre grille is about 25mm deep, and considerably more rigid.  A pheasant can make a massive mess of the centre grille, so the open sides will just disintegrate! 

With them being located where they are, wouldn't they be quite vulnerable to damage - even from smallish stones?

No more so than anywhere else on the front of the car - so shouldn't really be an issue. 

Sorry, I missed making my own point there. The point was, could VW have removed the open grilles due to poor impact resistance?

Ahh, I see.  Good comment - I'll have a think. 

Just to clarify, which open grilles are you specifically referring to?  The original 4-hole pre-production ones, or the retro-fit "hot climate" ones? 

The retro fit ones particularly. I wouldn't have thought the original 4-hole ones would have been sensitive to damage.

OK, thinking about this a little more, I dont really think the stone damage, and the like would be of concern to VW - no more so than any of the other grilles, paricularly the lower central one which has the rather flimsy air con condensor behind it - unless it's now protected by a twintercooler! 

My 170mph RS has open fog grilles on both sides, which are pretty flimsy, as did my last 160mph S4 (slightly more beefy), but they both have fairly beefy additional rads on both sides, and the 190mph RS6 also has them too.  Pic of mine:

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I go with the old adage if it ain't broke, don't fix it, so why did VW 'fix' something?

Hurrah!

Does that mean I have an "allie" ?? 

[RedRobin]

Catch ya soon with your good friends Fritz and Helmut.

They're trying to get me pissed on some wheat beer!  Just donning my Lederhosens <sp?>   

....^When I was in Munich last year^

And a reference pic for this thread : -