Author Topic: new boots time - Goodyear Eagle Asymmetric vs Mich Pilot Sport PS2s  (Read 12932 times)

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RR, interesting, and valuble reply - thanks.  :smiley:

This random snatching you mention - is it occuring from just one axle?  And have you tried temporarilly swapping fronts and rears to see if it alters this trait.

Maybe the mix of directionals and asymmetrics is upsetting the balance - however, I did once run a car like that, with the original Mich Pilot Sport (directionals) on the front, and Mich Pilot Exalto PE2s (asymmet) on the rear - and didn't notice anything unusual.

You have confused me with the "Goodyear Dunlop techsupport" - was that a typo?
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dont think so  http://www.goodyeardunlop.co.uk/

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- Yes, it feels as if from front axle - Righthand front wheel for lefthand bend and vica-versa.

- Goodyear also suggested swapping fronts/backs but I have decided not to mend it yet while it appears to have sorted itself out. If it ain't broke, don't mend it!

- Yes, Goodyear reckon it's the mix of tyre construction which is fooling the ESP.

- "Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK" are one company. I have written correspondence from them and I think the web site confirms this too(?).
 
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TT i would go with the F1's! I would choose them everytime. And well.... if you dont like them then atleast you have had the experience of having them. I think I will give mine some real pain and report back how they cope :evil:

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Out of interest, can you digress further about the bias shown against the Michelins in that test?
Not saying I disagree or owt, just interested  :smiley:

I'm getting some gsd3s fitted as we speak, albeit not to a mk5  :grin: , but I've only heard good things about them, and they look the business  :smiley:

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- Yes, it feels as if from front axle - Righthand front wheel for lefthand bend and vica-versa.

- Goodyear also suggested swapping fronts/backs but I have decided not to mend it yet while it appears to have sorted itself out. If it ain't broke, don't mend it!

- Yes, Goodyear reckon it's the mix of tyre construction which is fooling the ESP.

OK, thanks for the update.  I would still be tempted to swap the wheels/tyres front and rear though, and see if there is any change.  Maybe there is an inherent mis-match problem with the Goodyears, and Goodyear need to be advised if so.  I know Michelin are absolutely excellent with their advisories regarding mixing tyres.  Who knows . . . maybe Goodyear already know, and are keeping zipped, in a similar fashion to Renault with Clio bonnets, or Vauxhall with Vectra handbrakes.  Afterall, it would seem to be a logical "upgrade" or progression from the discontinued Goodyear directionals to their latest asymmetrics . . .

- "Goodyear Dunlop Tyres UK" are one company. I have written correspondence from them and I think the web site confirms this too(?).

Ahh, OK.  The above are actually a subsidiary of the Belguim holding company.  It seems that Dunlop are a "runt" of the tyre industry, having been purchased initially by the Japs, and now sold on to the American Goodyear Tire Inc.  A strange move to have two "premium" tyre brands (Dunlop and Goodyear) controlled by one owner - maybe Dunlop will be downscaled, because, to be frank, Dunlop tyres are not a match for any of the other premium brands.  Oh, and I bet the Brummies are pissed off with Goodyear renaming the former Dunlop HQ - now called "TyreFort", when it used to be called "Fort Dunlop".  :sad:

Edit: whoops, the motorsport factory is still called FortDunlop!  :embarassed:
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Although I have no experience of the PS2s, I have just fitted a full set of F1 Assym's to the Golf. With ESP on I get this "snatching" that RR speaks about, and also chronic understeer around corners. I've heard that the F1's need about 6 weeks to wear in properly, and as I haven't done too many miles on them yet, I'm putting this down to that.

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TT i would go with the F1's! I would choose them everytime. And well.... if you dont like them then atleast you have had the experience of having them. I think I will give mine some real pain and report back how they cope :evil:

I'm awaiting reports from your Saturday morning blast!  :smug:

Incidentally, following on from all this "high praise" of Goodyears, and the apparent lack of consistent enthusiasm for Michelins - I pose another question to ponder over.

If these Goodyear GSD3s and Goodyear Asymmetrics are so good - why do they not have any OEM approvals?  If you look at Porsche, the only OEM tyres they use are either Michelin or Continental, with Michelin being factory fitted to about 70% of all Porks.  And for Audi, on their heavyweight S4/S6/S8 (only Conti or Michelin), and their RS range, again, OEM Conti or Michelin, along with OEM Pirelli (though the Pirelli, whilst being shyte and junked by all RS owners come tyre change time - are probably OEM fitted due to Audi owning Lamborghini).  RenaultSport only use Dunlop Shyte SportMaxx or Mich PS2 on their cup cars.  Vauxhalls VXR range only use Mich, Conti or Dunlop.  Ford (an american company, which should show allegience to the american Goodyear company) don't use Goodyear on their ST or RS range.

See what I'm saying - if these Goodyears are as good as peeps claim, why havn't the manufacturers of the sports-orientated cars fitted them as OEM ????

And a further concern, whilst a different "class" of tyre to the F1s, every other Goodyear tyre I have used have been shocking in the cornering department.  Goodyear GrandPrixS - fine in a straight line, under traction or braking, wet or dry, but have a lousy turn in, and what can be described as lethal cornering ability - wet or dry.  These were used on a wide variety of cars in the 1980s, on front and rear wheel drive cars - and were really quite poor compared to the likes of Michelin MX and Dunlop SP of their time.  Even Kleber were a better tyre!

When the GrandPrixS was replaced by the Goodyear GT and the Goodyear Vector (both current tyres), these are still crap compared to say Michelin Energy or Conti EcoContact.
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Although I have no experience of the PS2s, I have just fitted a full set of F1 Assym's to the Golf. With ESP on I get this "snatching" that RR speaks about, and also chronic understeer around corners. I've heard that the F1's need about 6 weeks to wear in properly, and as I haven't done too many miles on them yet, I'm putting this down to that.

HTH.

....So you're getting the 'snatching' problem with all four tyres fitted!! - Not good! Surely the "six weeks" will depend on mileage.
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Incidentally, following on from all this "high praise" of Goodyears, and the apparent lack of consistent enthusiasm for Michelins - I pose another question to ponder over.

If these Goodyear GSD3s and Goodyear Asymmetrics are so good - why do they not have any OEM approvals?

....Cost?
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Out of interest, can you digress further about the bias shown against the Michelins in that test?
Not saying I disagree or owt, just interested  :smiley:

I was wondering when somebody would ask about that!  :smug:

Have you read the report recently?  Did you notice anything about the LoadIndex of the tyres they tested?  :rolleyes:

I'm getting some gsd3s fitted as we speak, albeit not to a mk5  :grin: , but I've only heard good things about them, and they look the business  :smiley:

Do peeps really go on "looks" over actual performance!  :shocked:
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