new boots time - Goodyear Eagle Asymmetric vs Mich Pilot Sport PS2s

[RedRobin]

OK, thanks for the update.  I would still be tempted to swap the wheels/tyres front and rear though, and see if there is any change.  Maybe there is an inherent mis-match problem with the Goodyears, and Goodyear need to be advised if so.  I know Michelin are absolutely excellent with their advisories regarding mixing tyres.  Who knows . . . maybe Goodyear already know, and are keeping zipped, in a similar fashion to Renault with Clio bonnets, or Vauxhall with Vectra handbrakes.  Afterall, it would seem to be a logical "upgrade" or progression from the discontinued Goodyear directionals to their latest asymmetrics . . .

....They have been advised - I've been talking with them for the last couple of weeks about my 'snatching' issue.

I'll only swap if the issue reappears - Otherwise no need. I'm at VW Racing soon anyway, and we'll see what they think driving my car.

[RedRobin]

Do peeps really go on "looks" over actual performance! 

....I was chatting to Goodyear about that very question and they are surprised by it but the fact is that many do choose on "looks"!!

[WhiteGTI]

Although I have no experience of the PS2s, I have just fitted a full set of F1 Assym's to the Golf. With ESP on I get this "snatching" that RR speaks about, and also chronic understeer around corners. I've heard that the F1's need about 6 weeks to wear in properly, and as I haven't done too many miles on them yet, I'm putting this down to that.

HTH.

....So you're getting the 'snatching' problem with all four tyres fitted!! - Not good! Surely the "six weeks" will depend on mileage.

Yes, very true regarding the six week thing. By the way - I think I read this in EVO, where they had the R32 as their long test car and he said that the car was diabolical for the first month and a half, then the tyres started to become amazing? If anyone else saw this article, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Unfortunately I haven't driven the car as much as I have wanted, due to my other car being more "suited" to the recent great weather spell!! I really hope the snatching cures itself with more milage. It's strange though - it's not so apparent in the corners (although still there), but more so on the straights under hard acceleration it just snatches side to side. But the huge understeer is my main gripe. I still have faith that they will improve - so many people have said great things about them.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Although I have no experience of the PS2s, I have just fitted a full set of F1 Assym's to the Golf. With ESP on I get this "snatching" that RR speaks about, and also chronic understeer around corners.

What . . .

FFS, that is just downright appauling!    Two separate GTI owners, and two reports of snatching.  It must be a trait of Goodyear Assyms, because this trait has NOT been reported from users of Dunlop SportMaxx, ContiSportContact2, ContiSportContact3, Mich Pilot Exalto PE2 or Mich Pilot Sport PS2.

And as I thought, with the chronic understeer issue still plagueing the latest current Goodyears, that confirms my continued experience that Goodyears are still primarily designed for the US market! 

Youv'e put me right off them! 

I've heard that the F1's need about 6 weeks to wear in properly, and as I haven't done too many miles on them yet, I'm putting this down to that.

Again, that's just downright shocking.  Tyres should be capable of being "run-in" from anywhere between 60 and 250 miles - so, unless you do about 40 miles per week, then that is just not on.

I wonder how many Police forces use Goodyears?  They certainly would NOT tollerate those attribues on their cars! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Incidentally, following on from all this "high praise" of Goodyears, and the apparent lack of consistent enthusiasm for Michelins - I pose another question to ponder over.

If these Goodyear GSD3s and Goodyear Asymmetrics are so good - why do they not have any OEM approvals?

....Cost?

Cost would have sod-all difference.  Michelin and Conti are the most expensive tyres on both the retail and wholesale UK and EU markets.  Whereas the Jap and far eastern tyres have the cheapest (by a huge margin) wholesale market price - which explains why so many tyre companies only supply stuff like Yokohama, Khumo and the like - they make massive profits very easily from them, compared to more meagre profits from say Michelin.

And to take Porsche as a specific example - they are seen as an out-and-out performance car manufacturer, certainly without any compromises for passenger comfort, quietness, longevity, price, etc which more mainstream manufacturers consider from tyres.  If these Goodyears were on a par with Michelin PS2 or ContiSportContact2/3, then Porsche would OEM fit them.  Afterall, Porsche do have quite a large presence in the US, where the Yanks like to be loyal to their own country! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

OK, thanks for the update.  I would still be tempted to swap the wheels/tyres front and rear though, and see if there is any change.  Maybe there is an inherent mis-match problem with the Goodyears, and Goodyear need to be advised if so.  I know Michelin are absolutely excellent with their advisories regarding mixing tyres.  Who knows . . . maybe Goodyear already know, and are keeping zipped, in a similar fashion to Renault with Clio bonnets, or Vauxhall with Vectra handbrakes.  Afterall, it would seem to be a logical "upgrade" or progression from the discontinued Goodyear directionals to their latest asymmetrics . . .

....They have been advised - I've been talking with them for the last couple of weeks about my 'snatching' issue.

And their response was . . . .

I'll only swap if the issue reappears - Otherwise no need. I'm at VW Racing soon anyway, and we'll see what they think driving my car.

What's planned for the Red machine there? 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Do peeps really go on "looks" over actual performance! 

....I was chatting to Goodyear about that very question and they are surprised by it but the fact is that many do choose on "looks"!!

Sad . . . . 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Although I have no experience of the PS2s, I have just fitted a full set of F1 Assym's to the Golf. With ESP on I get this "snatching" that RR speaks about, and also chronic understeer around corners. I've heard that the F1's need about 6 weeks to wear in properly, and as I haven't done too many miles on them yet, I'm putting this down to that.

HTH.

....So you're getting the 'snatching' problem with all four tyres fitted!! - Not good! Surely the "six weeks" will depend on mileage.

Yes, very true regarding the six week thing. By the way - I think I read this in EVO, where they had the R32 as their long test car and he said that the car was diabolical for the first month and a half, then the tyres started to become amazing? If anyone else saw this article, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Unfortunately I haven't driven the car as much as I have wanted, due to my other car being more "suited" to the recent great weather spell!! I really hope the snatching cures itself with more milage. It's strange though - it's not so apparent in the corners (although still there), but more so on the straights under hard acceleration it just snatches side to side. But the huge understeer is my main gripe. I still have faith that they will improve - so many people have said great things about them.

So now we have two GTI owners, aswell as EVO with and R32 all reporting similar problems - this is more than just an isolated incident which could feasably be blamed on a dodgy batch.
               
If these tyres had the Bibendum on the sidewall, they would be swapped free of charge, without question, anywhere in Europe! 

[WhiteGTI]

Incidentally, following on from all this "high praise" of Goodyears, and the apparent lack of consistent enthusiasm for Michelins - I pose another question to ponder over.

If these Goodyear GSD3s and Goodyear Asymmetrics are so good - why do they not have any OEM approvals?

....Cost?

Cost would have sod-all difference.  Michelin and Conti are the most expensive tyres on both the retail and wholesale UK and EU markets.  Whereas the Jap and far eastern tyres have the cheapest (by a huge margin) wholesale market price - which explains why so many tyre companies only supply stuff like Yokohama, Khumo and the like - they make massive profits very easily from them, compared to more meagre profits from say Michelin.

And to take Porsche as a specific example - they are seen as an out-and-out performance car manufacturer, certainly without any compromises for passenger comfort, quietness, longevity, price, etc which more mainstream manufacturers consider from tyres.  If these Goodyears were on a par with Michelin PS2 or ContiSportContact2/3, then Porsche would OEM fit them.  Afterall, Porsche do have quite a large presence in the US, where the Yanks like to be loyal to their own country! 

I agree - when looking for tyres I noticed that Goodyears were significantly cheaper than PE2's and PS2's.

I agree - it is borderline dangerous that they seem to require such a lengthy wearing in period, however there is nothing but praise for them once this period is over.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Incidentally, following on from all this "high praise" of Goodyears, and the apparent lack of consistent enthusiasm for Michelins - I pose another question to ponder over.

If these Goodyear GSD3s and Goodyear Asymmetrics are so good - why do they not have any OEM approvals?

....Cost?

Cost would have sod-all difference.  Michelin and Conti are the most expensive tyres on both the retail and wholesale UK and EU markets.  Whereas the Jap and far eastern tyres have the cheapest (by a huge margin) wholesale market price - which explains why so many tyre companies only supply stuff like Yokohama, Khumo and the like - they make massive profits very easily from them, compared to more meagre profits from say Michelin.

And to take Porsche as a specific example - they are seen as an out-and-out performance car manufacturer, certainly without any compromises for passenger comfort, quietness, longevity, price, etc which more mainstream manufacturers consider from tyres.  If these Goodyears were on a par with Michelin PS2 or ContiSportContact2/3, then Porsche would OEM fit them.  Afterall, Porsche do have quite a large presence in the US, where the Yanks like to be loyal to their own country! 

I agree - when looking for tyres I noticed that Goodyears were significantly cheaper than PE2's and PS2's.

I agree - it is borderline dangerous that they seem to require such a lengthy wearing in period, however there is nothing but praise for them once this period is over.

I couldn't have put it better myself - though if I had said that, I'd have probably got flamed! 

Staying with this "understeer" issue - how would you explain to the boys in blue, or your insurance company - if you understeered into a load of school kids or similar.  "I'm sorry Ocifer, they all do that" . . . .