DSG woe update

[Top Cat]

In a conversation I had while discussing turbo options for mine, it was mentioned (although i didn't take much notice since mine is manual) that the dsg can be 'remapped' to apply more pressure and reduce the 'micro-slippage' to let you throw more torque into the 'box.

Yeah this is true, there are a couple of companies in Germany that remap the DSG oil pressure to induce a higher clamping pressure on the plates. I've been told that it would be okay to do, but would inevitably only be a short term fix for a longer term issue. This is because the slippage will eventually reappear and ultimately means you still need an upgrade clutchpack. VW racing use standard clutchpacks with upgraded software, but the software isn't generally available

So its all in the waiting, wait and finsih the car or sell and have to start again.
what the yanks they will be doing one or do they not get DSG's?

The Yanks are waiting on the HGP/HPA clutchpack upgrade, but have been waiting quite a long time so far

Its got to be either the yanks or the germans who can solve this for you , have you checked any of the mother land's forum's. also dont porsche use a DSG now, Last gap effort ring the Bugatti factory see if there is any bits thrown in the skip. 

[Top Cat]

Hurdy can you explain why this has happened to yours and no one else's. You cant be the only one who has took the gear box this far

[Hurdy]

Yeah, I need a crash course in German

Don't think I haven't thought about the Porsche compatibility angle. It was the first thing that entered my head when it was announced They are keeping tight lipped for now, but I suspect that as they own a large slice of VW that the technology and component sharing will be similar in most respects.

A Veyron gearbox may be a little overkill....even for me

[Hurdy]

Hurdy can you explain why this has happened to yours and no one else's. You cant be the only one who has took the gear box this far

My suspicions are that it hasn't only happened to me. Most tuners running high power upgrades tended to use manual boxes, but those with DSG tend to give their results straight after the conversions and then sell them on or reduce the power back. Awesome have knocked their car back, it is now running a K04 with 320bhp and similar torque. I thought their car would annhialate anything else at Inters with 380bhp, but it didn't. It was actually 0.3 secs slower than Vtec's car. Maybe I'm wrong, but my instincts ususally are good with these things. Similarly the R32 Turbo on Pistonheads is up for sale with only 7.5k miles on it - DSG slip maybe? Most tuning companies will not even think of saying stuff like this to anyone, let alone potential customers.

[Top Cat]

Yeh that makes good sense how many 1/4 runs have you done

[Hurdy]

Yeh that makes good sense how many 1/4 runs have you done

Probably something in the region of 30. I've used the launch control much more though. Again maybe this is an issue too. Using the launch control temporarily inhibits the rev limit at standstill and increses the amount of friction on the clutchplate that uses 1st, 3rd and 5th gears and hence creates the extra wear. This is why I tend to get slip in 1st, get a good change to second, bang off the rev limit in second (as 3rd cannot accept the transfer as it is slipping) and then take off like a scalded cat in 4th and across the line.

In everyday use I do not get any slip now the power is knocked back, but when I had full power the revs surge in 1st and 3rd, but seemed a lot tighter in 2nd and 4th.

[Top Cat]

My guess is it's not down to excessive strain there would be hundreds of more case's .Why do VW now have a dry version which at the moment is only being used in the lower powered units not sure what im trying to say there the red wine is kicking in. But the cost to just replace normal DSG clutche's is ££££ they have sold thousand's there name would be mud if a year down the line all it's customer's were getting hefty bills.

[RedRobin]

Why do VW now have a dry version which at the moment is only being used in the lower powered units?

....Lighter and cheaper IIRC. Not because of any shortcomings of our version as far as I know.

If you get a DSG problem under warranty, the normal VW dealers aren't allowed to be supplied with individual replacement DSG components - The whole lot gets replaced and VW Technical take back the box for a post mortem, I'm told.

Hurdy's mods are such that any DSG warranty issues are highly debatable.

VW Racing who work very closely with VW themselves only run about 245 bhp in their GTI race cars, but they are stripped out. The higher you push the power envelope, the less reliable the car is potentially likely to be.

[R32UK]

Was going to post a link to the mkv's forum.. but I am quite sure your familiar to the dsg problem thread on there hurdy(not that its really relivant to your prob). But for those of you are not..

http://uk-mkvs.net/forums/t/155170.aspx

p.s. Had to go somewhere when the site was down

[k4ith]

there was a guy over on ukmkivs who uses the same tuner that i do and he had the same problem car was ok for a while then he got problems in the end they dropped the torque level and he didn't have anymore problems.