your opinions on the DSG?

[duffy78]

In my eyes a gearbox which decideds when to change up/down a gear for you..... IS AN AUTOMATIC!!!!

There is simply no hiding behind any other facts.. you are NOT in full control

but you can choose when it changes gear in the manual mode, it just so happens the the computer controlling it can take care of it all should you wish,

If your on about it changing down in manual mode so you won't stall or changin up so you dont over rev the engine, do you get some kind of satisfaction knowing you can blow you car up or stall it like a learner if you want to??/ 

you can put your foot down hard and it wont change down unless you hit the kickdown switch.

[RedRobin]

@R32UK

As others have stated - you ARE in control of what gear you are in when in manual tiptronic mode. The box will only automatically change to protect itself if it reaches the lower and upper RPM limits. If you drive it within the RPM limits (i.e stall RPM to Red Line) the DSG WILL NOT shift for you. You can also stop it downshifting at the kickdown if you so wish.

DSG is by far and away the most versitile transmission system you can get.

.... ^^^^ What he said! ^^^^

[Dubbin]

With DSG if you hit the red line the box will seamlessly change up a gear without losing momentum. With a manual you will hit the rev-limiter and slow down. I know which option I prefer....

[R32UK]

Well... what can I say?? Apart from where the hell are all the other manual owners? :embarassed: :embarassed:

There was a previous thread which highlighted many of the flaws of the DSG inc being very jerky at low speeds and changing up gears too soon, which is something i noticed when i used one. Not to mention the limitations on tuning (yes thats right!!) Obviously there is the option of using manual mode and changing gear when you want. Surely this is removing the fun from driving.

I have no doubt the changes are flawless, but you cant get away from the fact that about 90% of people will be happy to plod along in Auto mode. You know who you are. Then to make matters worse will use the excuse that its faster, and the future, when really all they are doing is being lazy. Yes it is fractionally faster 0-60, but after that i would say that there is nothing in it which many reviews/tests have proven. Could this be down to the launch control?? All I know is that dsg has taken away something from driving, along with things like traction control, and abs (although this does come in handy).

or

Maybe its just me being in a R32 as your definately not required to change/drop a gear to find some power. Could this be something you Gti driver require more than a R32?? I really dont know... what i do know is that I would consider a DSG, but not for another 30yrs or so!!

[joesgti]

my dad has a porsche turbo and thats an 'auto' with tiptronic, my mum has a bmw e92 M3 which is manual. obviously the porsche is faster but the beemer seems more fun!!

[mr magoo]

Must admit to not being fully used to the DSG yet.

I've got in to the habit of putting it in D around town, however last night was pulling on to a motorway slip road, naturally wanted to overtake the lorries on the slip so gave the car a bit of welly. It started to make a screaming noise and wouldn't go above 30. Looked down to realise I had it in manual and it was in first gear  :embarassed: :embarassed:

[LaserBlue]

lol i love you guys on here you all give a detailed example and stand by your opinions.

i think its true what another reply said about you have to live with the manual and dsg for some time to properly comment on them both.

ive just got the manual as u all know and im happy with it as its what im used to but if a nice example comes along ill defo swop it for a dsg

[john_o]

gotta laugh , these threads always turn out the same , both camps inherently sticking with what they bought.

I have an ED30 manual , simple reason was money at the time.
Went in for a std GTI , came out ordering a ED30 , for me a compromise had to be made, and of course I could have bought a GTI+DSG

Ultimately

1 : DSG box is not an auto , its far better than that, allows full control and is top of the tree of current cars for this technology. Supreme engineering achievement and it works too  If you can afford it , I suggest you try it.
I know if I had extra cash I would have had DSG , but then if I had more money I wouldnt have a golf lol

2: Manual is slower FACT! However it IS more tactile and the reward is somewhat higher. I guess it must be the fact we are having to 'DO' something. I enjoy a manual , the skill level to drive is higher.

With my previous runabout the E46 M3 , the argument  was SMG vs Manual
SMG good , but not a patch on DSG , I could see clear disadvantages of the SMG system for that car , so the manual it was.

For the golf its clear there are no disadvantages that are worth moaning about , and many plus's
So it boils down to

MANUAL = you want more 'feel' and driver involvement + the ability to remap above DSG torque limit 
DSG = faster, more expensive but ultimately the best 'auto' box around.

both great , both different

JohnO

[orca]

Well said john_o!

[RedRobin]

....Well, 400 Nm / 300 ft lb torque seems plenty for fast road use on a FWD Golf to me!

The new 7-speed DSG boxes are limited to 550 Nm in the new A4, A5, Q5 Audis coming out later this year.