FUBAR..!!!
Okay so I've gotten carried away with myself...
A little knowledge, going not a very long way...
Got the whole Black cable not just earth but completing the circuit bit, whipped out the Sony, gerry-rigged the alpine up, hey presto moving faceplate and after a couple of wiggles and shunts (what exactly these did I have no idea!!) the whole thing comes to life and sounds much better than my own!
Joy and Rapture!!!
So it's out with the sony cage.. iN with the Alpine, make all the connections solid, hook her up....
Not a peep.....
Loads of wiggle-ing but still the only thing going is the faceplate, no action otherwise, loads more wiggling and the odd rattle, no joy....
So I give up and put the sony stuff all back in, while reconnecting it short yellow and red, and blow radio fuse (22)
Steal fuse from other car, now the sony units cd mechanism makes it's usual whirr upon first conncection, but that's it, no clock no raidio no cd, fuse in back of hu is perfect....
Try reconnecting Alpine, now even the faceplate isn't working, is there another fuse somewhere other than 22
What have I done..

:embarassed:
help....?