Oettinger mods for Ed30

[Teutonic_Tamer]

http://www.hgp-turbo.de/ - they do an upgrade for the dsg that raises the torque limit to 600nm 

That is for the R32 only!

The R32 has a very slightly different DSG box to the GTI (4 wheel drive against 2 wheel drive) - although I have no idea if the 32 box has any uprated internals.  I would imagine that all the 4motion DSG boxes have uprated clutch packs though, to cope with the increased torque, particularly from the TDI lump.  Couple the issue of the increased torque, and then add the lack of torque slip (ie wheelspin, as found on front wheel drive), and I think there is a strong case for 4motions to have uprated boxes.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

From a standing start maybe, but in gear times should be even better with a manual if it has more torque.

Damn... is this limit insurmountable?  Because I'm seriously thinking of forgetting revo and going to Oettinger to Stage 2...

330hp 

The limit isn't insurmountable, however what you have to do to the DSG is a bit more drastic. As per the engine ECU, you can "remap" the DSG to work the plates with a higher pressure. The DSG clutches are designed as standard to last the lifetime of the car, but increasing the pressure will directly affect the lifetime of the clutches. A higher pressure = a stronger, faster gearchange. I've heard that there are only one or two companies in Europe who even have the bottle to start messing with the DSG programming and so getting someone in the good old UK may be a lost cause

Interesting . . . 

Do you have linkys to these Euro DSG gods . . . I mean DSG tuners?

I hear what you say regarding UK specialists.  I know that the Multitronic CVT boxes fitted to certain Audis are a real nightmare, and that "conventional auto gearbox specialists" are completely out of their depths (as are Audi stealers, which is why they refuse to repair, and simply replace the complete box).  I do know that a company called Inde-Tech are very highly regarded as Multitrionic "experts", and maybe if enough DSG owners badgerd them enough, they might start to work on them too.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Ve hav vayz of making you torque



Manual is best

Cass

I've had 2 manual Mk5s - a GTI and an Edition 30 GTI and 2 DSGs - an R32 and an Edition 30.  The DSG is far better for me than manual.  I was a manual diehard until I tried DSG and was converted.  There are some things a manual does better, but for sheer convienience and rapid progress away from the idiot who wants to race you, its priceless.  I can't see how much 50nm extra torque will make in a fwd car as you would have to be careful with the peddle anyway to avoid a situation where you are wheel spinning in 3rd gear at 30mph - something I experienced many times in the M3 Golf VR6... and besides, I have a Mk2 Golf GTI 16v for manual fun 

But with really decent tyres, like PS2s, and not some "nippon-no-grips", you will still be able to get the increased power down.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

It's basically saying, it will eat M3's for breakfast but watch how much you gun it because the intercooler isn't as good as the one on the S3.

Why do you need to be careful of giving it the beans? 

An undersized intercooler won't cause any engine damage!

b*ggered if i know i was just translating bloody germans.

OK, no worries.

Why can't everone speak in English anyway, afterall, wasn't it blighty that won the war? <dons coat!>   

[Peskarik]

It's basically saying, it will eat M3's for breakfast but watch how much you gun it because the intercooler isn't as good as the one on the S3.

Why do you need to be careful of giving it the beans? 

An undersized intercooler won't cause any engine damage!

b*ggered if i know i was just translating bloody germans.

OK, no worries.

Why can't everone speak in English anyway, afterall, wasn't it blighty that won the war? <dons coat!>   

sorry, to lazy to translate. I just copied in the stuff from another (very nice) german GTI forum 

[Hurdy]

From a standing start maybe, but in gear times should be even better with a manual if it has more torque.

Damn... is this limit insurmountable?  Because I'm seriously thinking of forgetting revo and going to Oettinger to Stage 2...

330hp 

The limit isn't insurmountable, however what you have to do to the DSG is a bit more drastic. As per the engine ECU, you can "remap" the DSG to work the plates with a higher pressure. The DSG clutches are designed as standard to last the lifetime of the car, but increasing the pressure will directly affect the lifetime of the clutches. A higher pressure = a stronger, faster gearchange. I've heard that there are only one or two companies in Europe who even have the bottle to start messing with the DSG programming and so getting someone in the good old UK may be a lost cause

Interesting . . . 

Do you have linkys to these Euro DSG gods . . . I mean DSG tuners?

I hear what you say regarding UK specialists.  I know that the Multitronic CVT boxes fitted to certain Audis are a real nightmare, and that "conventional auto gearbox specialists" are completely out of their depths (as are Audi stealers, which is why they refuse to repair, and simply replace the complete box).  I do know that a company called Inde-Tech are very highly regarded as Multitrionic "experts", and maybe if enough DSG owners badgerd them enough, they might start to work on them too.

Hi Sean,

The original info is from a previous thread about DSG limitations and is buried somewhere in the past threads. Just had a quick look by searching and I'm bugg3red if I can find it. It was a post that was originally off another site by someone using the DSG in racing and development. He did mention two DSG tuners names too. :embarassed:

[RedRobin]

The extra bhp will translate more to top speed increase rather than in gear times if the torque doesn't increase much between the 300bhp and the 330bhp mods.

....Am I right in thinking that an increase in bhp but keeping the torque limited, will translate to more 'pull' at the higher speeds rather than an increase in the maximum top mph ?

[Lagerlout]

Outside of that, fitting the zorst and the intake box should change the character of the engine a fair bit. Should be much sweeter, revvy than before compared to what I'd expect from just a straight remap. The intercooler as TT said, is just there to disippate heat, bigger the better if repeated abuse is the order of the day.

[RedRobin]

Outside of that, fitting the zorst and the intake box should change the character of the engine a fair bit. Should be much sweeter, revvy than before compared to what I'd expect from just a straight remap. The intercooler as TT said, is just there to disippate heat, bigger the better if repeated abuse is the order of the day.

....More responsive, yes. But the revs didn't feel noticeably freer until I fitted the Neuspeed Discharge and Charge pipes and SAMCO turbo hoses.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Hi Sean,

The original info is from a previous thread about DSG limitations and is buried somewhere in the past threads. Just had a quick look by searching and I'm bugg3red if I can find it. It was a post that was originally off another site by someone using the DSG in racing and development. He did mention two DSG tuners names too. :embarassed:

OK, I'm cr@p at searching too!  :embarassed:

I do vaguely remember discussing it - maybe the link was on UKMIVs, but I fear it will be on that horrendous yankee golfmk5.com !!!