My gti beat R32 just from a remap

[Ridg]

wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?

Nope.  Transmission losses occur at any speed! 

I meant because of the extra torque the R32 has over the GTI

[Hurdy]

wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?

Nope.  Transmission losses occur at any speed! 

I meant because of the extra torque the R32 has over the GTI

Someone on here had their ED30 rolling roaded and it had over 240lb/ft of torque as standard. The R32 "only" has an official 236lb/ft, so there is nothing in it again and yet the ED30 is a lot lighter.

[davefish]

I have a MKV R32 on order and felt compelled to register/post. I've just read the entire thread and I have to say there's a lot of "wrong information" and a general underlying hint of jealousy which I think is a shame. It seems as though everyone's trying to justify their purchase.

Here's a Top Gear vid that compares the GTI and MKV lap times. I'm fully aware that this is an isolated test and may not reflect the true performance difference that you'd get on a variety of tracks with different driving styles but it may help to stem the tide of unbalanced comments...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc

Ps. Congrat's to the OP, sounds like you've got a fast car there chap!

[deanpoli]

The interesting thing on this test is that the R32 seems to handle better round the hammer head keeping within in the line where else the GTI goes wide outside the line, doesnt look like the R32 understeers at all from this test. The 4 wheel drive stops it from understeering. Infact on the whole circuit it looks like it handles better than the GTI round the track. I am a MK 5 GTI owner and seeing that back to back the R32 does look impressive.

[telboy]

I have a MKV R32 on order and felt compelled to register/post. I've just read the entire thread and I have to say there's a lot of "wrong information" and a general underlying hint of jealousy which I think is a shame. It seems as though everyone's trying to justify their purchase.

Here's a Top Gear vid that compares the GTI and MKV lap times. I'm fully aware that this is an isolated test and may not reflect the true performance difference that you'd get on a variety of tracks with different driving styles but it may help to stem the tide of unbalanced comments...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc

Ps. Congrat's to the OP, sounds like you've got a fast car there chap!

No jealousy at all (MKV GTI owner), I think the point that was being made is the MKv GTI with remap is slightly faster compared to the R32, just imagine how much quicker that lap time would've been had they used a revo'd gti. Bottom line is both cars are fab and in their own rights and very polished performers. I have seen loads of vids showing both as clear winners, down to the car, the weather, overall conditions etc etc on the day!

[Phil mcavity]

and as i was saying, when cuppled with the dsg transmission, the GTi is quicker then a manual as shown in the video.Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?

Nope.  Transmission losses occur at any speed! 

I meant because of the extra torque the R32 has over the GTI

And . . . . transmission losses will sap torque as well as power!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Hi Dave, and welcome to the forum.

I have a MKV R32 on order and felt compelled to register/post. I've just read the entire thread and I have to say there's a lot of "wrong information" and a general underlying hint of jealousy which I think is a shame. It seems as though everyone's trying to justify their purchase.

I personally don't hink anyone is trying to justify their own purchases.  I do however think we are all trying to dispel, as you state, "wrong information", particularly around some of the unrealistic comments which indicate that the R32 is a quantum leap ahead of the GTI.  I think we all here go about that in a generally friendly manner, and just because we have a bit of banter on the way, I personally don't feel there is any jealousy.  If there were any jealousy, I think I would be on the receiving end, if you look at my sig!   

Here's a Top Gear vid that compares the GTI and MKV lap times. I'm fully aware that this is an isolated test and may not reflect the true performance difference that you'd get on a variety of tracks with different driving styles but it may help to stem the tide of unbalanced comments...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc

Hmm, that vid repeatedly states the GTI does not suffer from understeer, but the 32 does.  Also, on the very last "Gambon" corner, the R32 runs horrendously wide, yet the GTI holds a better line.  Oh, and you can't state the vid is comparing lap times, as they are clearly done on different days.

Clarksons' quotes of the GTI:
"looking very, very tidy", "no real understeer at all"

And Clarksons' quotes of the R32:
"front wheels spinning . . . before the computer shoves more power to the back", at the hammer head - "a heavy V6 at the front, that will make it understeer", "you can see the car coming back into line as the electronics shuffle the power around".


One crucial thing about that test, just like all "airfield" type of tests it that they bear absolutlely no resemblence to real world roads.  We have much tighter bends, we have to stop at junctions, and the most crucial thing - we have to keep our cars on line.  If we loose the back or front, then you will find a kerb, ditch, tree, dry stone wall, or another road user!

It is in this "real world" environment where the GTI, with its' much more neutral handling, is better than the R32.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

The interesting thing on this test is that the R32 seems to handle better round the hammer head keeping within in the line where else the GTI goes wide outside the line,

Yes, I noticed that too.  However, the GTI did not understeer - I'm guessing either the Stig got the line wrong, or simply chose a different line.  Chosing a different line (all the F1 drivers did so at that point) should not be confused with understeer caused by vehicle dynamics.

doesnt look like the R32 understeers at all from this test.

Oh, it does.  You need to look at the angle of the road wheels relative to the corner.

The 4 wheel drive stops it from understeering.

The "part time" 4wd system the R32 uses will not prevent understeer.  Understeer is caused purely by vehicle dynamics (unless the driver is being a numpty, and intentionally provokoing understeer) - which include weight distribution, suspension geometery and tyres.

Infact on the whole circuit it looks like it handles better than the GTI round the track.

Hmmm, I have to disagree.  The final corner where the R32 ran wide was not too good.  I actually think that vid probably shows a "score draw", rather than an out-right win.

I am a MK 5 GTI owner and seeing that back to back the R32 does look impressive.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I think they both look impressive.  However, the R32 is no better than the GTI.  The R32 is certainly NOT worth the premium price increase, based on the handling stakes.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!

I think you've dramatically underestimated that scenario.  A remaped GTI really would be noticeably quicker than a standard, or even remapped R32.