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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #40 on: 31 August 2007, 17:21 »
Sounds a bit like blind faith... the evidence to the contrary is before your very eyes  :smiley:  Anyway, what doe sit matter, as long as you enjoy the car!

why isnt that mentioned in the press release then ? Have to say i still think its the same in the cupra, s3, ed30
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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #41 on: 31 August 2007, 19:13 »
As the press releases contradict either school of thought about the Edition 30 engine, I guess the way to confirm either way is to compare part numbers of say, cylinder head, from 4 models, using info direct from VW, Audi and Skoda dealers

GTI, GTI Edition 30, S3 and Cupra

Anything else is just hearsay otherwise
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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #42 on: 31 August 2007, 19:56 »
I have just talk with Oettinger this friday!

The edition 30 has all the same engine as the new s3,the only thing that not is shared is the intercooler and software.


169 KW BYD (Ed30) 06F 145 702 C KKK
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145 702 C KKK

Block BYD (Ed30 ) 06F 100 035
Block BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035

Intercooler (Ed30) 1K0 145 803 A
Intercooler (S3) 1K0 145 803 P
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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #43 on: 01 September 2007, 00:05 »
I have just talk with Oettinger this friday!

The edition 30 has all the same engine as the new s3,the only thing that not is shared is the intercooler and software.


169 KW BYD (Ed30) 06F 145 702 C KKK
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145 702 C KKK

Block BYD (Ed30 ) 06F 100 035
Block BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035

Intercooler (Ed30) 1K0 145 803 A
Intercooler (S3) 1K0 145 803 P

Just a thought, the intercooler part numbers may refer to the end tanks as one is plastic 'P' and one is aluminium 'A'. And therefore the intercooler may be the same on each car, materials aside.

Except that they appear to be the other way round.

If you know what I mean. :undecided:
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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #44 on: 01 September 2007, 09:34 »
As the press releases contradict either school of thought about the Edition 30 engine,

I don't agree that the press releases contradict at all.

OK, so there may be an element of ambiguity, but Audi clearly state upgraded engine internals, whereas VW make no such mention.  However, VW clearly mention that the method of increased power in the Ed30 comes from "a revised engine management programme".  You would have thought that IF the Ed30 DID have uprated internals, then VW would be shouting from the tree tops to make that particular point very clear.  The simple fact is they didn't state any uprated internals, so we have to accept that, UNTIL there is concrete evidence to prove otherwise.  Sadly, people quoting an incomplete part number, from non-genuine ETKA, continues to muddy the waters.

Another thing, whilst you all know my lack of "allegience" towards Superchips, I have great faith in the technical accuracy of Volkswagen Driver.  The PDF of the Ed30 Bluefin as tested by Volkswagen driver also makes it very clear that the Ed30 does NOT share the same uprated engine internals of the S3.

I guess the way to confirm either way is to compare part numbers of say, cylinder head, from 4 models, using info direct from VW, Audi and Skoda dealers

GTI, GTI Edition 30, S3 and Cupra

I guess the "Skoda" bit was a typo!  But yes, I agree.  However, even then, I express some reservations, as it is fairly common for VW and Audi to either give out incorrect part numbers, not give them out at all, and even in some instances of pure muppetery - actually order completey incorrect parts.

Anything else is just hearsay otherwise

Well, I suppose if you are inclined to believe the "rumors", rather than factual information, then it can degenerate into hearsay!
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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #45 on: 01 September 2007, 09:39 »
I have just talk with Oettinger this friday!

The edition 30 has all the same engine as the new s3,the only thing that not is shared is the intercooler and software.


169 KW BYD (Ed30) 06F 145 702 C KKK
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145 702 C KKK

Block BYD (Ed30 ) 06F 100 035
Block BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035

Intercooler (Ed30) 1K0 145 803 A
Intercooler (S3) 1K0 145 803 P

FFS - HOW MANY FCUKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO STATE THIS:  :angry:

The part numbers for the engine block are INCOMPLETE.

Secondly, Oettinger do NOT have franchised dealer ETKA (they, like all independents, rely on a "older" and "cut down" incomplete version of ETKA - which is often out of date).

The Ed30 does NOT have the same engine as the S3.  It DOES have the same turbo as the S3.
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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #46 on: 01 September 2007, 09:54 »
Just a thought, the intercooler part numbers may refer to the end tanks as one is plastic 'P' and one is aluminium 'A'. And therefore the intercooler may be the same on each car, materials aside.

Except that they appear to be the other way round.

If you know what I mean. :undecided:

Interesting thought - but sorry, it is completely wrong.  The 4th "block" of figures actually refer to a "complete", or specific specification, to a common part.

For example, the first block of digits identifies the vehicle "range", so 1K0 relates to cars of the "A5" platform - being a Mk5 Golf.  1K1 will be for a LHD only Golf part, whereas 1K2 will be for a RHD only Golf part (think of front floor mats as an example).

The second and third groups refer to "common" assemblies and components.  For example, common components could be brake disc, or road wheel, or headlamp (every vehicle in the VAG range uses these!).

The fourth group (usually letters) refers to differences of the same type of part.  A 17" Monza wheel may have the letter A, whereas an 18" Monza II may have a letter B.

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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #47 on: 01 September 2007, 10:04 »
I have just talk with Oettinger this friday!

The edition 30 has all the same engine as the new s3,the only thing that not is shared is the intercooler and software.


169 KW BYD (Ed30) 06F 145 702 C KKK
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145 702 C KKK

Block BYD (Ed30 ) 06F 100 035
Block BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035

Intercooler (Ed30) 1K0 145 803 A
Intercooler (S3) 1K0 145 803 P

FFS - HOW MANY FCUKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO STATE THIS:  :angry:

The part numbers for the engine block are INCOMPLETE.

Secondly, Oettinger do NOT have franchised dealer ETKA (they, like all independents, rely on a "older" and "cut down" incomplete version of ETKA - which is often out of date).

The Ed30 does NOT have the same engine as the S3.  It DOES have the same turbo as the S3.
Steady Eddy, it's the weekend you should be reading the papers and luxuriating in your time off!!

One of the reasons that VW may not have gone public on any conflicting internal engine upgrades to the ED 30 is that it would denigrate their premium hatchback market (the S3) which currently sells for thousands of pounds more than the GTI. If they shouted from the rooftops that the ED30 had a detuned version of the S3 engine they'd lose millions in premium market sales.

So far no one has shown conclusive evidence eitherway concerning the engine modifications to the ED30 and much as I admire and appreciate your obviously knowledgeable and thoughtful insight TT at this point in time I fail to be convinced by anybody one way or the other.

Who would really know and how do we contact them??

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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #48 on: 01 September 2007, 10:26 »
easiest way (from what i can see anyway!) is to get a GTI, ED30 and an S3 and strip the engines down and have a good poke around inside the engine  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


One of the reasons that VW may not have gone public on any conflicting internal engine upgrades to the ED 30 is that it would denigrate their premium hatchback market (the S3) which currently sells for thousands of pounds more than the GTI. If they shouted from the rooftops that the ED30 had a detuned version of the S3 engine they'd lose millions in premium market sales.


but equally they would also lose sales if everyone found out that the ED30 had the same engine as the S3 so a bit of a catch 22 situation

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Re: ED30 short write up.
« Reply #49 on: 01 September 2007, 10:31 »
easiest way (from what i can see anyway!) is to get a GTI, ED30 and an S3 and strip the engines down and have a good poke around inside the engine  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


One of the reasons that VW may not have gone public on any conflicting internal engine upgrades to the ED 30 is that it would denigrate their premium hatchback market (the S3) which currently sells for thousands of pounds more than the GTI. If they shouted from the rooftops that the ED30 had a detuned version of the S3 engine they'd lose millions in premium market sales.


but equally they would also lose sales if everyone found out that the ED30 had the same engine as the S3 so a bit of a catch 22 situation
You've got me wrong Rhyso, sorry if I wasn't clear but lost sales of the S3 was exactly what I meant.
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