ED30 short write up.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

some of the German forums had posted info that seemed to confirm that the S3 engine and Edition 30 share short block assemblys (rumpfmotor in Deutsch) - they seemed to think that this included pistons, conrods, etc (in much the same way that the previous S3, TT 225 and Cupra R shared much the same stronger engine compared to the ordinary KO3/KO3S 1.8t)

For examples of part numbers...

Rumpfmotor BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035
Rumpfmotor BYD (Jubi ) 06F 100 035

The "wonders" of mis-information on the internet.  As I mentioned in another thread, there are crucial suffixes missing from those part numbers.

Illyun, I'll have to trawl through the entire back catalogue of archives, and unfortunatley, they don't have a "search" fuction! 

[illyun]

some of the German forums had posted info that seemed to confirm that the S3 engine and Edition 30 share short block assemblys (rumpfmotor in Deutsch) - they seemed to think that this included pistons, conrods, etc (in much the same way that the previous S3, TT 225 and Cupra R shared much the same stronger engine compared to the ordinary KO3/KO3S 1.8t)

For examples of part numbers...

Rumpfmotor BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035
Rumpfmotor BYD (Jubi ) 06F 100 035

The "wonders" of mis-information on the internet.  As I mentioned in another thread, there are crucial suffixes missing from those part numbers.

Illyun, I'll have to trawl through the entire back catalogue of archives, and unfortunatley, they don't have a "search" fuction! 

Its ok, don't worry about it... by the way you've just ruined my week.    Its akin to saying to a 5 year old who is just about to visit Father Christmas that he doesn't really exist and that the bloke sat in the shopping mall is just wearing a costume.    I really hope you're wrong. 

[Phil mcavity]

yes, looking foward to your findings T.T, i was always under the impression it wasnt major mechanical changes, but just turbo and intercooler mods bla bla, i posted saying about this, but was eaten by the hounds of the e30 club, saying it was total bull. Will be good to know for certain if it was true after all

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Righty, found the official VW press release for the Ed30 - so for all of you who are adamant that is is basically the S3 engine - now is your time to start eating that pie called humble! 

Quote:
ENGINE

2.0-litre T-FSI, 1984 cc, 16-valve 4-cyl, 230 PS

The Golf GTI Edition 30 features a 2.0-litre four-cylinder FSI petrol engine boosted by a turbocharger and intercooler.  The engine is mounted at the front transversely and drives through a six-speed manual or DSG automatic gearbox (see next section for details).

The GTI’s powerplant, which is based on the 150 PS unit currently used in the Golf GT FSI, delivers a maximum power output of 230 PS at 5,500 rpm.  The extra power (an additional 30 PS when compared to the standard GTI) is extracted through a revised engine management programme.  The 2.0-litre T-FSI in the Golf GTI has a high compression ratio of 11.5:1.  Its broad torque band, 221 lbs ft (300 Nm) from 2,200 right up to 5,200 rpm, makes it an ideal engine for a sports car.   

Fuel is injected only in the piston’s compression phase, rather than during induction as is the norm, and is placed in the tightly controlled stream of intake air moving towards the spark plug.  Many of the principles used in FSI were inspired by the advanced technology featured in Volkswagen’s TDI engines.

By injecting fuel directly into the cylinder – as already seen in Volkswagen’s TDI diesel engines – combustion efficiency is improved and, as a result, so is fuel economy. 

The main aim during the development of the GTI’s engine was increasing performance considerably to meet GTI core values, while keeping fuel consumption and emissions down.  Thanks to the FSI technology plus turbocharger, Continuous Inlet Camshaft Adjustment, Plastic Variable Intake Manifold as well as other internal engine features, a high degree of efficiency could be achieved.  Combined fuel consumption of 34.4 mpg (manual) is evidence that this technology works, while, like all Golf engines, the 2.0-litre T-FSI meets EU4 emissions legislation.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

And the Audi S3 press release:

quote:
TFSI in its most powerful form

The power plant of the S3 delivers all that is expected of a powerful sports engine, and does it supremely well. The 2.0 TFSI, which combines direct injection and turbocharger technology, delivers 265PS at 6,000 rpm. And at just 2,500 rpm it already musters up an impressive 350 Nm of torque – this pulling power remains constant up to 5,000 rpm. In the combined driving cycle the 2.0 TFSI displays another welcome character trait, its FSI direct petrol injection technology contributing to an impressive combined economy figure of 31.0mpg.

Compared with the A3, this engine is an advanced version which has undergone fundamental changes. The new turbocharger with its enlarged turbine and compressor rotor generates 1.2 bar of boost pressure – an unusually high figure. A modified intercooler significantly lowers the temperature of the compressed air, thus increasing the air mass necessary for combustion.

Pistons with stronger pins and strengthened connecting rods with new bearings transmit the powerful forces to the crankshaft. The cylinder block has been stiffened up and the head is made of a new, highly heat-resistant alloy.

The exhaust camshaft timing has been adjusted to accommodate the increased power output. High-pressure injectors with an enlarged cross-section squirt the fuel straight into the combustion chamber.

Despite all this progressive engineering, the high-performance turbo weighs in at just 152 kilos, which is less than comparable power plants from direct competitors, and this has a positive effect on the axle load distribution. The compact dimensions of the 2.0 TFSI make it suitable for transverse installation, which brings benefits in terms of the S3’s interior space and luggage capacity.

[mepal47]

why can the edition 30 be remapped to much higher power than the standard cars if the only difference is remap ?

[Teutonic_Tamer]

why can the edition 30 be remapped to much higher power than the standard cars if the only difference is remap ?

Because, as has already been established, the Ed30 does share the larger S3 turbo.

[mepal47]

why isnt that mentioned in the press release then ? Have to say i still think its the same in the cupra, s3, ed30

[Teutonic_Tamer]

why isnt that mentioned in the press release then ? Have to say i still think its the same in the cupra, s3, ed30

Sigh.  The S3 is the only 2.0T FSI engine to have uprated internals, AND a larger turbo.  The Ed30 and the Cupra share the same engine internals as the standard GTI lump, but gain the bigger turbo of the S3, and have revised engine mapping. 

[Russ.C]

why isnt that mentioned in the press release then ? Have to say i still think its the same in the cupra, s3, ed30

Sigh.  The S3 is the only 2.0T FSI engine to have uprated internals, AND a larger turbo.  The Ed30 and the Cupra share the same engine internals as the standard GTI lump, but gain the bigger turbo of the S3, and have revised engine mapping. 

Makes sense to me, although strange that they never mentioned the larger turbo earlier on... you would have thought it would have been a good selling point!  We are still debating today, and I've had mine 6 months now!!