Author Topic: Its official! The Ed30 is soft - and the GTI and R32 for that matter  (Read 11498 times)

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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more......  :smiley:




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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more......  :smiley:

I'll just get my fishing rod and reel a few more in.  :wink: :grin: :grin:
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the whole problem is the origonal chassis was built for maxiumum horsepower of 200. now by adding an extra 30hp, it opens up a huge can a worms, and all these niggly issues since release of ED 30. so to rectify will cost shedloads of £.

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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more......  :smiley:

I'll just get my fishing rod and reel a few more in.  :wink: :grin: :grin:

Nothing like mentioning a car glitch and all of a sudden it gets personal - seen it too much - cars are just hunks of metal at the end of the day for all except....

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006703449

I think he may get upset if i suggested he would be best suited to a pee shooter! :grin:

Hi Phil - sorry prob. deffo nothing to do with the extra 30 horses - car feels like it could quite happly handle another 30 more! :evil:
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T.T. I read what you say and i do agree with a lot of what you right especially with the camber changes.

OK, but with the rear suspension, it isn't just changes in camber.  The Golf has variable geometery at the rear - which means that the rear toe alters with suspension compression and rebound, and the caster also alters slightly too.

If you had conventional "rigid" wishbone type suspension, with fixed geometery, like on Caterhams, then altering the ride height would be straightforward, and any geometery changes would be linear and fixed rate.  But on multi-link suspension designs, you really do need to know what you are doing.  It simply isn't good enough just to go to your local suspension place, and get them to swap over the springs and dampers.  They actually need to "understand" how minute differences in geometery affect the car, and then develop custom new settings!

Look in my sticky http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=54324.0 and download the rear suspension manuals, and you will see the different links, and the specific requirements for geometery setting!

When i wrote yesterday that i know good ride and feedback can co-exist i remembered afterwards what car i was thinking about - The EVO VIII MR340. Ok stuffed full of electronicsbut it did do the job remarkably well - weighed much the same as the golf and had fairly trick springs dampers -  and it was a tall bugger - the caterham talk i only used to demonstrate that the handeling defficiencies (ok bit strong but...) were not down to my crap driving :laugh:

Ahhhh - but the Golf and the Evo are chalk and cheese!  The Golf is primarily a 5 seat family hatchback, designed to transport 5 peeps, the weekly shop, the annual holiday, transporting granny to and from the care home . . . etc.  The GTI/Ed30/.:R32 obviously have to maintain the very same design brief, but with some "tweaking", to give a more "driver" focussed appeal.  The Evo, on the otherhand, is basically a homologation special, purely designed to comply with Rally regulations, and then a road car was developed, with the same "rally-like" fundamentals, but with all the electronic gubbins to make it a "safe" road car.  Turn off those electronic aids, and you WILL head for the nearest ditch/tree/armco.  I actually spent a whole day at RalliArt, near Dudly, a few years back, and "played" in three different Evo IVs and a Gallant VR6 - absolutley fcuking awful cars - the electronic aids were so "in your face", so obtrusive, that, OK whilst handling superbly, took all the skill away from the driver -  :sick:  :sick:  :sick:  :sick:

Which comes to my next thought.... i have a few ... and for that i am the opinion that it deserves a new thread.....

OK, keep your thoughts flowing . . .  :wink:
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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more......  :smiley:

Oh no.  I push my standard GTI to the limit, and when I compare it to my S4, I find the GTI quite nervous on the limit.  However, I'm undecided as to wether it is the shyte tyres giving poor feedback, or simply an inherant design compromise with the Golf.

I suppose I'm lucky to have two very competant tools to play with!  :smug:  :smug:
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I'll just get my fishing rod and reel a few more in.  :wink: :grin: :grin:

PMSL  :laugh:
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the whole problem is the origonal chassis was built for maxiumum horsepower of 200.

Sorry Phil, that is utter tosh - why, then is the .:R32 with 250 ponies available?

now by adding an extra 30hp, it opens up a huge can a worms, and all these niggly issues since release of ED 30. so to rectify will cost shedloads of £.

Disagree.

Just a thought, can any of you Ed30 owners post a poll, detailing the make and type of tyre fitted (specifically on the Ed30), as it would seem that many of them are coming with Dunlop crap!
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http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006703449

Ollie - that is very worrying!!!  Why would you need that link stored in your bookmarks ???  Anything you want to confess . . .  :evil:  :evil:
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Offline Ollieb7

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I read it in the Sun news paper whilst offshore - My defence for this? Bored and i didn't buy it!

My ed has Conti's!

Agree on the skill being taken away by the EVO electronics - however it did take 5 passengers and my shopping very well - Take note though, this didn't take into account that all 5 felt very sick and the shopping was all over the shop (sorry bad pun!) :laugh:

All comes down to IMO as stated at the very start - maybe i'm just old school hot hatch where the basic 5 seater was compromised for handling - If you wanted the more comfortable model you bought the GLS, 4 Motion or whaterver instead of the GTI.
However never mind the IMO - well done for getting your feet wet while fishing TT - Great read and opinions! :smiley:
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