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Offline mase

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #10 on: 17 January 2007, 13:40 »
i know a guy who runs 20mm spacers on a 120bhp turbo cinquecento,

120bhp in a cinquecento !
 theres probably more danger of the body shell crumpling under acceleration than the wheels coming off.  :laugh:

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #11 on: 17 January 2007, 13:45 »
To get a solid fixing for the studs you're gonna need a pretty substantial spacer - which pushes the wheel away from the hub. Added to that porsche wheels are gonna be wider, and probably with a lower offset which basically means more shear pressure directly on the spacer. I'm not saying it won't work or that it will fail, I just wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that I was weakening my setup like that - it's a principle thing :grin:

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #12 on: 17 January 2007, 14:05 »
judging by the comments they seem to have a more negative look than a positive one...are there any other ways of making 4 stud to 5 stud?

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #13 on: 17 January 2007, 15:33 »
You could invest in new hubs - not a cheap option though.

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #14 on: 17 January 2007, 16:11 »
while were on the subject, sort of, Ive always wondered if it would be possible to fill in the existing holes of an alloy and just drill new ones.

I can't see that it would pose to much of a problem for a decent alloy refurb company.

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #15 on: 17 January 2007, 16:45 »
The shear forces will be on the studs holding the adaptor to the hub, not the adapter itself (it is just a solid lump of metal afterall). With the higher offset of the porsche wheels the shear forces on those studs, will be no more than those applied to the studs that would hold any other wheel directly to your hub.

As long as the studs are grade 8.8.. your drive shafts are more likely to fail under shear before they will. Also, you don't need as many turns as you may think to get a 'solid' fixing so the adapter doesn't have to be all that thick.

A countersunk 20mm bedding in a steel adapter gives you a failure load of 11 metric tonnes PER BOLT! Each stud itself can withstand a shear load of 5.8 metric tonnes.(23.2 tonnes per wheel).  We were talking about this in the office, trying to think of a situation where a ~1000KG car might be put under those forces at one corner. You'd basically need to drop it off a high-rise building on to one wheel to recreate those forces.. at which point we all agreed something else would probably fail on the car first (suspension /  turret most likely)

So according to a bunch of bored structural engineers, wheel adapters are pretty damn safe. I'd choose steel over aluminium though.

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #16 on: 17 January 2007, 17:37 »
^^ here endetht he lesson! in my opinion the amount of people with porsche wheels on golfs over all these years without hearing of a single accident related to the adaptors.... i'd be happy with that.
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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #17 on: 17 January 2007, 17:50 »
Yeah, I was thinking of pursuing this just for curiosities sake, but as has been said I doubt they'd be selling the things if they ever failed. Although I doubt you'd have to drop a car off a building to damage a normal hub let alone one with an adaptor :laugh: And do they make studs out of 8.8? I'd imagine it's at least 10.9 grade.

If I wanted to do it I'd be tempted to weld the holes in the hub up and redrill them to the PCD you want - you wouldn't be forced to have your wheels sticking further out either.

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #18 on: 17 January 2007, 18:46 »
In 9 years I've never specified a bolt of higher grade than 8.8, and I've done some pretty big steel frame structures :grin:

tbh you need something to space porsche wheels out anyway to correct the offset, otherwise the inner face will be hitting the struts.

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Re: 4 stud to 5 stud
« Reply #19 on: 17 January 2007, 19:01 »
Along the same lines

 MK1 4 stud  to 5 Stud , a matter of bolting on suitable hubs ? or much harder work ?