nope tried both of those methods in the 3 hours i spent outside, what mk2_ozz said seems to make sence, i reckon the legs bent, i men, i know it is, but didnt realsie until now that being bent even tho the bolt reches it it probably is at a weird angle so the thread wont catch, to ill swap the skins over or just keep the old bumper and make it fog light worthy, ill let ya know if i get a bumper on it, but as for tomorrow im gonna drive real careful to work