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Offline V_Arse6

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Which GTi to buy?
« on: 27 April 2006, 16:47 »
Hey, first post, so apologies if this is in the wrong section.... 

Anyway, I currently have a 1300 escort (J plate, horrid HCS engine :sick:)...  And I'm just so depressed that I might kill myself if I don't get a proper car soon.  I've looked at my budget and the options, and I'm 99% sure I'll go for a Mk3 GTi ('95 ish or so)..... So the only remaining question is whether I get an 8v or 16v.

On paper it's obvious: 115 Vs 150Bhp, more torque...

But then there's the insurance, the slight fuel economy difference, and the abundance of the 8 valvers compared to the 16s... Plus the fact that the 16V is so much more sought after, which artificially inflates the price (ok, not by THAT much, but still).   :undecided:

It all makes me think that I'd be more likely to get a good condition example of an 8v than a 16v one (more to choose from), plus it would cost less (obviously a 16v will cost more, but the number of 8v ones around should mean getting a really good deal is much easier), and it seems more of the 16V ones are modified (not that I have anything against modded cars, but I would rather do it myself!).

PLUS, anything (including something powered by rubber bands) will seem like a rocketship after driving the 'scort. 

I've basically decided that it'll come down to one thing:  How the 8v measures up against my old 1.8Ghia Si Orion (16V).  it was a J plate, with 130Bhp (@4750 or so),  and ~120 lbft torque at 4500RPM.  It got t-boned to death unfortunately, which is why I've ended up with the crappy 1300, since it was cheap and available at the time.  If it's more-or-less the same or a bit quicker, then I'll be happy with it.  If it's not as quick, then I'll say sod it and get a 16V. :evil:

Now, 130 Vs 115 HP, and 120 Vs 122 Torque...  Seems close, but I suspect (having driven the orion) that the 2L VW engine has a much flatter torque/power curve, so will actually be noticeably quicker.  you could really notice the orion pick up suddenly after 4000RPM, and there wasn't THAT much low-end power really.  So I'm fairly sure the 8v will be ok for me for now.

I've spent much of the day looking for torque/power graphs of the two so I can compare, but haven't had much luck, so if anyone has a link to some I'd be grateful!  I don't so much need the graph for the orion, since I had one and know that it would definitely not be that flat.  (most of the 1800 Ghia Orions were 105Bhp - it was just a few for a couple of years - J and K plate IIRC - that were tuned to 130)...

Anyway, any thoughts?

(That turned out a little longer than I was expecting, so thanks for reading :smiley:)

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Offline Neaty

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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #1 on: 27 April 2006, 16:57 »
Hello and welcome to the forum

I would go for the 16 valve, hold out until you see one. Although there is not much difference in it betweenthe orion and the 8 valve the golf is a heav car and seems sluggish to me( my dad has one).

So get a 16valve and good luck with your searching!  :smiley:

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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #2 on: 27 April 2006, 17:18 »
Welcome to the forum, I personally don't know the difference, so this is just a welcome post :P

Offline V_Arse6

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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #3 on: 27 April 2006, 17:33 »
Yeah I want to get a 16v really... but I had to drive some 300 odd miles in a 1.6 'Sport' Focus hire car (not bad at all - 115HP, 7K on the clock) the other day, and after that getting back in the 1300 sucked huge donkey balls.  Hairy ones.  :cry:  So I've now realised I've been deluding myself with thinking the escort was acceptable, and desperately need a replacement before I manage to brainwash myself again :laugh:

Decided on a golf because I have 2 mates with VR6s and one with a GTi (16v)...  And they seem like a good buy (plus the mate with the Gti has  some springs that he's not using....  :evil:)

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Offline Mr Blue

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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #4 on: 27 April 2006, 17:40 »
'colour concept' mk3's are nice. :wink:

Get a 16v if you can. big diffrence between them :smiley:
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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #5 on: 27 April 2006, 17:49 »
my last 2 cars before my 8v were 1.6 16valve cars with @115hp and about the same weight as the mk3. overall there was no performance difference between the 3 but the power of the 8v is so much more useable on a day to day basis. i doubt you'd notice the extra 15hp your si had over a mk3 8v as you could only use it at 4k revs +.  

8v or 16v golf? mpg and insurance differences are neglegble but the extra 35hp and extra 8valves obviously makes a difference if you rag it.

I went through the same thought process as you and decided to buy my 8v cos it was the right car (95, FVWSH,59000 miles12mnth T&T for £2600) and every 16v i'd seen was mega high miles or chaved up. Sometimes i wish i had that top end grunt but 99% of the time i'm well happy.

Offline V_Arse6

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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #6 on: 27 April 2006, 18:16 »
I went through the same thought process as you and decided to buy my 8v cos it was the right car (95, FVWSH,59000 miles12mnth T&T for £2600) and every 16v i'd seen was mega high miles or chaved up. Sometimes i wish i had that top end grunt but 99% of the time i'm well happy.
I suspect I'll be 200% happy for a few months at least, after driving this Escort....   I think I'll just look at whatever I can find in my price bracket (not 100% fixed, but I'm thinking £1500-£2500....  I've just bought a house, so a little extra loan will be just another drop in the debt pond! :laugh:) and buy what I feel is a good deal - I won't let myself think "great car, but it's only an 8v..". 

OR I could go nuts and buy a VR6.  But that's just silly.  and £200-£400 more to insure. :undecided:

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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #7 on: 27 April 2006, 18:20 »
deffinatley get the 16v, the insurance isnt that much more different, but the performance is, iv just got one and its well worth holding out for a month or more to find a decent one, and be prepared t travel, i went 400mile round trip for mine


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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #8 on: 27 April 2006, 18:29 »
get a mk2 gti instead bud
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Re: Which GTi to buy?
« Reply #9 on: 27 April 2006, 19:20 »
i don't think he's got the budget for the constant repairs  :laugh: