^^^^^^ fair one, but you have to admit that the mk3 8v gti was NOT a real GTI! its a fact, VW f**ked up with it, they got slated at the time and thats why the VR was born to add some performance! 
Yeah that is correct. But the vr was actually born when the first mk3's came out late 1992, so it wasn't like vw made cos the 8v was sh!t!

But you are right, the 8v was really a GL, the 16v which came 1994 was quick, and the vr6 is f**king rapid

Its the same with mk4's, the 8v wasn't really a gti either, but the 1.8T and 1.9pd 130 and 150tdi are rapid. Infact the diesel lumps are definately the quickest of the lot, excluding the vr6 24v
