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Offline sjw

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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #90 on: 02 February 2022, 12:04 »
Quote from: fredgroves on 01 February 2022, 21:16
That's quite nice if a bit chubby.

I'm still holding out for something that I don't need a hgv licence for...

It looks like a Model Y shagged a BMW
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #91 on: 02 February 2022, 14:07 »
 :grin:

Dainty and svelte don’t seem to be on design briefs these days!
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #92 on: 02 February 2022, 16:32 »
The Mk8 Golf R with the the performance pack is a marketing mans wet dream. The car still has a basic "open" type differential between the engine/front driveshafts & the cardan shaft to the rear. The "fancy" stuff is a Haldex clutch pack on each rear stub axle & the fact that the previous open diff on the rear has now been replaced with a fixed bevel box.

More weight, more electronics, & more to go wrong...


If I could justify running a "toy", I'd buy the Yaris GR over the MK8R anyday...

(For 100% clarity...the Yaris I am talking about is NOT to be confused with the limited edition GRMN which has the 1.8lt engine, roll cage & no rear seats)

To get both the front & rear Torsen LSDs you have to spec the "GR Yaris Circuit Pack" £33,520 (OTR)
Some of the mechanical highlights:-

1.6lt 3cylinder turbocharged
257bhp @ 6,500rpm
360Nm @ 3,000-4,600rpm
0-62mph in 5.5sec
142mph max
Unladen weight 1,305kgs
357mm two piece front discs with 4piston monoblock aluminium calipers. (rears are 2 piston aluminium monoblocks)
Double wishbone rear suspension
Lowered polymer roof with carbon fibre reinforcement & wrap
Aluminium doors & bonnet (hood)
Torsen LSD front & rear diffs
You can vary the torque split from 60:40 (normal) to 30:70 (sport) to 50:50 (track) all on a dry road, no requirement for the fronts to loose traction to shift torque to the rear..

Hand built on a dedicated GR Yaris production line (taking 10 times longer than the standard version), where the Lexus LFA & Supra A80 were built.


MK8 Golf:-
To get the special Haldex rear you have to order the MK8 R "Performance pack" £42,995 (OTR)
2lt 4cyclinder turbocharged
315bhp
420Nm @ 2,100-5,350rpm
0-62mph 4.7sec
Unladen weight 1,554kgs
357mm two piece front discs with 2 piston calipers
basic open type front diff
torque split max all wheels on same dry surface = 50% front 50% rear, if the fronts are spinning on ice its a max of 10:90..if the fronts are gripping its 90:10..(drivetrain losses)..fronts have to loose grip for the torque to be shifted to the rear.

When looking at the interior & various other electronics the Golf doesn't look £10,000 more than the Yaris.....the Yaris is the drivers car & no wonder the people who drive it rave about it!!
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #93 on: 02 February 2022, 18:13 »
I must admit, the GR Yaris is one of two recent cars I wish I’d bought when I had chance to get either of them on 0% deals not so long ago.
The other being the up! GTI which I dithered over for years.
I might have a mad moment and get one of the latter before they go out of production just for the hell of it.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #94 on: 02 February 2022, 21:12 »
Thing is though is that the R is a family sized car capable of doing everything... The YGR is a fun shoe box for the lolz.

If you wanted a fast powerful car that can also take your family on holiday...

Which is kind of what a performance golf has always been... Never the sharpest or fastest but an all rounder few others get close to.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #95 on: 03 February 2022, 05:59 »
Agreed Fred, the R and its immediate rivals from Mercedes-AMG and BMW are a fair attempt at a performance car version of homeostasis. 
However golfdave does offer a slant on it for those that don’t need the space but want the 4x4 driving thrills without throwing nearly £50k into a shopping car.
I’m still waiting for snoopy’s review of his compared to his GTI’s (hint hint)

The 8R is many things to many people but by god it’s expensive when specced properly and the electronics can be pants. Which was kind of the whole purpose of this thread (that was only started for a laugh).
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #96 on: 03 February 2022, 16:46 »
There's an expectation of the Corolla GR to come soon, although I wouldn't consider it a rival to a Golf in quality term, performance wise it will be very interesting.

@Fredgroves it's nice to think of the yaris still as a tiny shoe box sized car now, but they really aren't when you see them in person, similar to that of comparing a mk8 and mk4 golf together. They've really packed on the pounds over the years.


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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #97 on: 03 February 2022, 17:21 »
If you fancy sliding sideways (into a hedge) they are apparently making a GR GT86 too...
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #98 on: 03 February 2022, 17:58 »
Quote from: willni on 03 February 2022, 16:46
@Fredgroves it's nice to think of the yaris still as a tiny shoe box sized car now, but they really aren't when you see them in person, similar to that of comparing a mk8 and mk4 golf together. They've really packed on the pounds over the years.



Externally pretty big, internally definitely shoe box.
Access to rear seats is terrible, and once in there, very restricted head and leg room.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #99 on: 03 February 2022, 18:01 »
Quote from: fredgroves on 03 February 2022, 17:21
If you fancy sliding sideways (into a hedge) they are apparently making a GR GT86 too...

Quite an interesting vid-


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QaR843im04A

( just realised this is the gr86)- ? not the same car you’re referring to ?

At least there’s a golf in there!
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